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2013-07-05 07:01:58 PM
Is Glen Beck's house in 1990 on the list?

/I'm just asking questions. . .
 
2013-07-05 07:13:00 PM
I'm pretty sure "dark alley at night" trumps red state.
 
2013-07-05 07:23:12 PM

doglover: I'm pretty sure "dark alley at night" trumps red state.


It depends where that dark alley is. A woman impregnated by a rapist in a blue state can't be forced to have the rapist's child against her will, whereas some red states are trying to legislate forced childbirth.
 
2013-07-05 08:52:25 PM
List fails without Fark.com
 
2013-07-05 08:55:16 PM
All the usual suspects.

Ladies, move to a state that doesn't treat you like chattel.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 09:07:41 PM

doglover: I'm pretty sure "dark alley at night" trumps red state.


Hmmm, I've been in plenty of dark alleys,  I have to go with red state on this one.
 
2013-07-05 09:15:24 PM
So would the most dangerous places in America for men be criminal court, family court, and divorce court?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 11:20:39 PM

ArkAngel: So would the most dangerous places in America for men be criminal court, family court, and divorce court?


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2013-07-06 12:33:27 AM
Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.
 
2013-07-06 12:35:59 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.


I can't remember if you're capable of trolling or are a true believer. Dammit.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-07-06 12:37:28 AM
And from the bottom of the page ...

media.salon.com


heh ...heh...
 
2013-07-06 12:45:49 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.


FTFM. Yes, I understand that medically necessary abortions are a real danger to women, but they'd probably rank lower than rape, murder, arson and rape.
 
2013-07-06 12:56:15 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.

FTFM. Yes, I understand that medically necessary abortions are a real danger to women, but they'd probably rank lower than rape, murder, arson and rape.


Nah...everyone knows rape and murder are minor. I know I'm in a safe neighborhood when theres a planned parenthood nearby. Also "States with the most restrictive abortion laws" wouldn't generate the clicks that the dangerous places one will.
 
2013-07-06 12:59:16 AM
1. Farker's bedroom
2. Farker's basement

but I repeat myself
 
2013-07-06 01:19:14 AM
Fun fact: At a women's health clinic in southwestern Arkansas I got a doctor's note that excused me from the dress code at work so I could go brafree. So, yeah, conservative, but you can find exceptions.

/I was surprised as anyone, but rather pleased
 
2013-07-06 01:47:03 AM

Peki: Fun fact: At a women's health clinic in southwestern Arkansas I got a doctor's note that excused me from the dress code at work so I could go brafree. So, yeah, conservative, but you can find exceptions.

/I was surprised as anyone, but rather pleased


Don't you think it's sad that you were surprised and pleased about something like that, instead of just satisfied that a reasonable expectation had been fulfilled?
 
2013-07-06 01:51:56 AM
I was surprised to see...no, wait...that list didn't surprise me at all

Yay freedom!  Yay small government!!
 
2013-07-06 01:52:18 AM
My apartment has to be top 3.
 
2013-07-06 01:59:18 AM

Tellingthem: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.

FTFM. Yes, I understand that medically necessary abortions are a real danger to women, but they'd probably rank lower than rape, murder, arson and rape.

Nah...everyone knows rape and murder are minor. I know I'm in a safe neighborhood when theres a planned parenthood nearby. Also "States with the most restrictive abortion laws" wouldn't generate the clicks that the dangerous places one will.


Yeah, list made me curious, so I decided to hunt down violence against women statistics per state. No one appears to have compiled this data that I could find. Anyone else have superior google-fu?
 
2013-07-06 02:11:14 AM

Boojum2k: Yeah, list made me curious, so I decided to hunt down violence against women statistics per state. No one appears to have compiled this data that I could find. Anyone else have superior google-fu?


There is no way the FBI doesn't track those stats.

...ok, I found a place to start anyways

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in- th e-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/rapemain

I have noticed that sometimes the bureau doesn't break their stats down into categories you and I would expect. I think they try no to be too specific with how they break down certain stats for several reasons?

I presume because the more you try to extract from a statistic, or the more you try to attribute to it, the less it becomes a statistic and more of a "statistic". Thus the old saying; lies, damned lies, and statistics )
 
2013-07-06 02:42:40 AM

MurphyMurphy: I have noticed that sometimes the bureau doesn't break their stats down into categories you and I would expect. I think they try no to be too specific with how they break down certain stats for several reasons?

I presume because the more you try to extract from a statistic, or the more you try to attribute to it, the less it becomes a statistic and more of a "statistic". Thus the old saying; lies, damned lies, and statistics )


Eh, no. There are plenty of official listings of crime per state, etc. But the levels of violence against women per state appears to be off-limits for these researchers. Break it down by state and city/towns if possible, it would give a better view on where the threats are and where changes need to be made.
 
2013-07-06 04:42:20 AM
1) Mitt Romney's binders
2) Between Rush Limbaugh and the dessert buffet
 
2013-07-06 06:00:04 AM
Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.
 
2013-07-06 06:01:24 AM
Silly women - you can't abort a fetus with a plastic clothes hanger.  It's gotta be old-school wire hanger all the way.  That's why only men should be doctors.
media.salon.com
 
2013-07-06 06:03:42 AM
Yup, because abortion availability is the most life threatening issue facing the majority of women in America today. Feminists are such dumbasses.

I would suggest living in Detroit , Chicago, Washington D.C or Baltimore is infinitely more dangerous to either gender.

25.media.tumblr.com

www.theblaze.com
 
2013-07-06 06:06:56 AM
So the whole list is abortion rights?  that makes being a woman in those states more dangerous than locked in a house in Cleveland?

Im sorry, but I am pretty sure there are more than ten pain rooms in the country.

alarmist article is alarmist.

/of course I read it, so it worked.
 
2013-07-06 06:07:52 AM
What  BS article!! I wanted to see things like, 'Chicago','Late night drunken frat party' or 'Bill Clinton's employment'.

Can we rename the article, '10 Unsafest places for fetuses'?
 
2013-07-06 06:09:54 AM
List fails without my basement.
 
2013-07-06 06:12:57 AM
More like the top 10 safest places to be a fetus in America.
 
2013-07-06 06:13:43 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.


Yes.  Places where a woman can have a bad pregnancy that will kill her if not aborted, and people will make her die.
 
2013-07-06 06:14:35 AM

aendeuryu: More like the top 10 safest places to be a fetus in America.


Unless they need medical help.
 
2013-07-06 06:15:18 AM
Lets hear it for unregulated abortion mills:


Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could, prosecutors said. State regulators ignored complaints about him and failed to inspect his clinic since 1993

Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord,"

Authorities went to investigate drug-related complaints at the clinic last year and stumbled on what Williams called a "house of horrors."

"There were bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building," Williams said. "There were jars, lining shelves, with severed feet that he kept for no medical purpose."

A second 'house of horrors' abortion clinic is being investigated in Texas, just days after Dr Kermit Gosnell was found guilty of murdering newborns at his Philadelphia termination center.

Houston doctor Douglas Karpen is accused by four former employees of delivering live fetuses during third-trimester abortions and killing them by either snipping their spinal cord, stabbing a surgical instrument into their heads or 'twisting their heads off their necks with his own bare hands'.

'When he did an abortion, especially an over 20 week abortion, most of the time the fetus would come completely out before he either cut the spinal cord or he introduced one of the instruments into the soft spot of the fetus in order to kill it.... or actually twisting the head off the neck with his own bare hands,' she explained.

'It was still alive because it was still moving and you could see the stomach breathing.'

The women described one occasion where a fetus that Karpen thought was dead suddenly 'opened its eyes and grabbed (the doctor's) finger' after he wrenched it from the womb. However, it met a similar fate to the other fetuses at the clinic, the women said.

'He thought it was dead but the fetus actually opened its eyes and grabbed his finger,' Aguliar said. 'He was alive. He thought it was deceased already. He was getting ready to put it in the back.'
 
2013-07-06 06:17:20 AM
It's a much needed article, but idiots are going to get hung up on the title.  Also, too many pop-up ads on Salon, every time.
 
2013-07-06 06:20:05 AM

juvandy: Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.


Thank you.
 
2013-07-06 06:20:59 AM

Ranger Rover: juvandy: Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.

Thank you.


Too bad it's not misleading.
 
2013-07-06 06:21:05 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, the list of dangerous places consists entirely of places that have restrictive abortion laws? I thought they would be talking about real danger, not something that you do after you make poor choices.


Indeed. You'd think that they at least use a measure of what a 'danger' consists of. Although I'm not of the 'poor choices' camp, I'm sure that there are more woman-specific threats than just a lack of abortion-choices. And that there'd be a way to measure these things other than the amount of legislation that is specific to women.
 
2013-07-06 06:21:08 AM

juvandy: Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.



You clicked on a Salon link thinking you were going to get something other than pearl-clutchy tendentious melodrama?
 
2013-07-06 06:24:07 AM
Alphax: It's a much needed article, but idiots reasonable people that don't like being trolled are going to get hung up on the title.  Also, too many pop-up ads on Salon, every time.
 
2013-07-06 06:25:20 AM
This is why too much feminism is not convincing and offensive...

Suicide where 80% of the dead are men.
police officer deaths where 99% are men
homelessness, where over 90% of people on the streets are men.
victims of assault where over 75% of victims are men
military deaths where over 98% are men

and this list could go on but it is Saturday and my cat demands my attention..
 
2013-07-06 06:25:25 AM

Alphax: Ranger Rover: juvandy: Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.

Thank you.

Too bad it's not misleading.


Aw.
 
2013-07-06 06:25:38 AM

Ranger Rover: Alphax: It's a much needed article, but idiots reasonable people that don't like being trolled are going to get hung up on the title.  Also, too many pop-up ads on Salon, every time.


Knock it off.

"The first is a troubling provision to  redefine what constitutes a medical emergency so that pregnant women experiencing life-threatening complications - including hemorrhaging, infection and ruptured ectopic pregnancies - would be forced to wait at least 24 hours before obtaining an emergency abortion. After signing the legislation that would imperil the lives of pregnant women in medical emergencies, Republican Gov. Sam Brownback remarked: "All human life is sacred. It's beautiful. With this, we continue to build this culture of life in our state." "

That's going to kill women right there.
 
2013-07-06 06:26:10 AM
So here's a question:

What exactly do abortion foes think is going to happen if abortion is outlawed in all 50 states? No snark. I want to know what you people really think is going to be different when you wake up and--ta da!--there are no more legal places where abortions can be performed. What then? Then what happens in your abortion-free world? No more unwanted babies? All women think carefully before pregnancy? Teenagers miraculously stop having sex? Or...what?

Because there hasn't been a staggering drop in abortions in the states where there are only a few clinics left, you notice. There HAS been a staggering rise in teen pregnancies and teen births. So something isn't quite jibing here with the idea that no abortions = no sex. What is going to be the end result of no more abortions? It's not going to be no dead babies. What do you really hope to gain by all this?
 
2013-07-06 06:26:45 AM

Gulper Eel: juvandy: Article should be retitled as "10 Safest States to be a Fetus"

I'm as pro abortion and anti-rape as anyone, but blatantly inflammatory titles that are as misleading as this article's do nothing to help the situation.


You clicked on a Salon link thinking you were going to get something other than pearl-clutchy tendentious melodrama?


True.....so true....
 
2013-07-06 06:27:32 AM
hasty ambush:

[www.theblaze.com image 600x408]

Thats some weapons grade birth control right there in that picture  -- I have to run get some eye bleach

Just leave this little tim bit with everyone though -- Canada has not had an abortion law of any kind for 24 years
 
2013-07-06 06:30:51 AM

Alphax: That's going to kill women right there.


Reading comprehension must not be a strong suit. Lots of things will kill women. But do they make certain states the "most dangerous for women"? Asinine. You have an agenda, which is fine, and you're clearly willing to bend words and common sense to meet this agenda, which deserves criticism. The article title is misleading. People think, reasonably, that it's talking about violence against women. Denial of abortion, whether right or wrong, does not meet the common-sense definition of violence against women. And you call people idiots for their issues with this.
 
2013-07-06 06:32:16 AM

Ranger Rover: Alphax: That's going to kill women right there.

Reading comprehension must not be a strong suit. Lots of things will kill women. But do they make certain states the "most dangerous for women"? Asinine. You have an agenda, which is fine, and you're clearly willing to bend words and common sense to meet this agenda, which deserves criticism. The article title is misleading. People think, reasonably, that it's talking about violence against women. Denial of abortion, whether right or wrong, does not meet the common-sense definition of violence against women. And you call people idiots for their issues with this.


Bullshiat.  Complete bullshiat.
 
2013-07-06 06:34:15 AM
1. Not wrapped around JAHW's throbbing codpiece.
 
2013-07-06 06:35:10 AM
So, it's just about abortion, nothing else,  Because the only thing women want, apparently, are abortions, so I guess men and women get equal pay for equal work, and all states are equal when it comes to sexual crimes.

Personally, I am on the fence when it comes to abortions.  I'm pro-killing babies, anti-women's reproductive rights.  So it's really a tough call.  A man can get a woman pregnant and he has zero say if that kid is aborted or not.  If he doesn't want to be a father, it is not his choice.  Society calls him a dead beat dad and his wages get garnished.  The mother, if she doesn't want the kid, it's 100% her right, apparently, to abort the pregnancy.  If the father wants the kid, tough shiat.  Personally, I am in favor of abortion for rape and if the child's birth is going to kill the mother.  I do not believe that abortion should be treated as another form of birth control.  I also think that birth control pills should not be covered by employers via medical insurance.

Now, the targeting of Planned Parenthood clinics are wrong since they do more,lots more, than abortions.
 
2013-07-06 06:35:19 AM

Alphax: Ranger Rover: Alphax: That's going to kill women right there.

Reading comprehension must not be a strong suit. Lots of things will kill women. But do they make certain states the "most dangerous for women"? Asinine. You have an agenda, which is fine, and you're clearly willing to bend words and common sense to meet this agenda, which deserves criticism. The article title is misleading. People think, reasonably, that it's talking about violence against women. Denial of abortion, whether right or wrong, does not meet the common-sense definition of violence against women. And you call people idiots for their issues with this.

Bullshiat.  Complete bullshiat.


Uh.....you win, I assume? Cool. Some award for reasoning and eloquence must be coming your way.
 
2013-07-06 06:37:07 AM

poorcku: This is why too much feminism is not convincing and offensive...

Suicide where 80% of the dead are men.
police officer deaths where 99% are men
homelessness, where over 90% of people on the streets are men.
victims of assault where over 75% of victims are men
military deaths where over 98% are men

and this list could go on but it is Saturday and my cat demands my attention..


Suicide, where men choose more violent and final methods (guns, jumping) vs. pills or wrist-cutting;
Police, where 80% are male;
Violent crimes, which tend to be male/male or female/female;
Military deaths which tend to be in combat, which has been restricted to men;
Homelessness, where shelters give precedence to CHILDREN and their mothers, and then to single people.

Try to look at it from the correct perspective. Men are more likely to try to kill themselves with methods that succeed the first time. There are more male cops, hence, more dead cops will be men; the same is true of soldiers, where 100% combat deaths by definition must be men. Violent interpersonal crimes are nearly always committed between people of roughly the same age, race and gender: Therefore, men beat up men and women beat up women. Due to the vagaries of our justice system and social perception, men are going to get arrested more than women. It's not like women are getting an easier time of things, dearie.
 
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