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(Opposing Views)   Police are increasingly using "Seatbelt Checkpoints" to stop cars, search them without a warrant and use K-9 dogs to sniff for drugs   (opposingviews.com) divider line 285
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2013-07-05 08:09:29 PM  
Hey, there could be a terrorist hiding in my trunk, too!

/Land of the free!
 
2013-07-05 08:44:59 PM  
fark that.

I want to get some of that training oil they use to train drug dogs when they can't be bothered to use real drugs and just coat every last inch of a car with it. Tear up the whole interior, coat the whole thing with a light misting of marjuana scent, and put it all back together. Do that for about 20 cars, get 20 volunteers to drive trough the checkpoint, and laugh and laugh as the cops have to disassemble 20 cars, test every inch of them, and come up empty handed.

Also, get the manufacturing process on video so if real drugs DO turn up, we caught us a bad cop.
 
2013-07-05 09:55:45 PM  
 
2013-07-05 10:07:36 PM  
Obvious tag on vacation?
 
2013-07-05 10:09:35 PM  
I used to have a job where I interacted with police officers pretty often.  Many of them regularly abuse the shiat out of their authority.  They also think tasers are just loads of fun.
 
2013-07-05 10:12:08 PM  
Is it a bad thing for a society when the ramblings of madmen come true?
 
2013-07-05 10:12:23 PM  

Deacon Blue: I used to have a job where I interacted with police officers pretty often.  Many of them regularly abuse the shiat out of their authority.  They also think tasers are just loads of fun.


Well, they are.
 
2013-07-05 10:12:31 PM  
Fark the police.
 
2013-07-05 10:12:32 PM  

Deacon Blue: I used to have a job where I interacted with police officers pretty often.  Many of them regularly abuse the shiat out of their authority.  They also think tasers are just loads of fun.


I think gallows are loads of fun.  How about we hang cops and see who has more fun?
 
2013-07-05 10:13:10 PM  
Land of the free.

Hey, how come China is supposed to be a police state, compared to the USA, but I've never have to deal with the police here?

Hey, here's an interesting question.  If you would trade your right to make noise in political theater for never being hassled by cops again, would you take that?
 
2013-07-05 10:13:30 PM  
OMG someone broke the law and got caught!
 
2013-07-05 10:14:24 PM  

TommyymmoT: Here's a video I saw earlier, that illustrates the point.


Somebody submitted this with a headline.

These farking checkpoints need to go away.
 
2013-07-05 10:15:29 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: TommyymmoT: Here's a video I saw earlier, that illustrates the point.

Somebody submitted this with a headline.

These farking checkpoints need to go away.


Okay how is this breaking the law?
 
2013-07-05 10:15:48 PM  
know your rights          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo
 
2013-07-05 10:17:01 PM  
How far away are we from thought crime?
 
2013-07-05 10:17:19 PM  
I want a conversation not a YouTube video. Anyone can put up a You tube video.
 
2013-07-05 10:17:21 PM  
who is going to stop them?
 
2013-07-05 10:17:23 PM  
However, police brought K-9 drug-sniffing dogs to the checkpoints, which were not needed for seatbelt education.

I hope the ACLU tears them a new one.
 
2013-07-05 10:18:12 PM  

Satanic panic in the attic: How far away are we from thought crime?


Well give or take 300 or so years.
 
2013-07-05 10:18:22 PM  
Show me zee papers. Jetzt schnell !
 
2013-07-05 10:18:23 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Deacon Blue: I used to have a job where I interacted with police officers pretty often.  Many of them regularly abuse the shiat out of their authority.  They also think tasers are just loads of fun.

I think gallows are loads of fun.  How about we hang cops and see who has more fun?


I'm for putting them in the general population in prisons. See how they enjoy what they've inflicted on others.
 
2013-07-05 10:18:24 PM  

alice_600: Pray 4 Mojo: TommyymmoT: Here's a video I saw earlier, that illustrates the point.

Somebody submitted this with a headline.

These farking checkpoints need to go away.

Okay how is this breaking the law?


Uhhhh.... what?
 
2013-07-05 10:19:06 PM  

fusillade762: However, police brought K-9 drug-sniffing dogs to the checkpoints, which were not needed for seatbelt education.

I hope the ACLU tears them a new one.


They're more interested in the cute stuff than check points.
 
2013-07-05 10:19:14 PM  

fusillade762: However, police brought K-9 drug-sniffing dogs to the checkpoints, which were not needed for seatbelt education.

I hope the ACLU tears them a new one.


I'd rather see the everyman civilian do it with extreme violence.  The hoplophobes don't but that's ok.  They're marked for enslavement or death anyway.  Preferably enslavement.  Evil should suffer.
 
2013-07-05 10:19:51 PM  

doofusss: who is going to stop them?


Guys like this.


www.nypost.com
 
2013-07-05 10:20:09 PM  

sendtodave: Land of the free.

Hey, how come China is supposed to be a police state, compared to the USA, but I've never have to deal with the police here?

Hey, here's an interesting question.  If you would trade your right to make noise in political theater for never being hassled by cops again, would you take that?


Is tax evasion still punishable by death?
 
2013-07-05 10:20:16 PM  
We need to start having roadblocks to check for possession of illegal firearms.
 
2013-07-05 10:20:47 PM  
http://www.waze.com/
 
2013-07-05 10:20:54 PM  
During the seatbelt checkpoint, if there are observable signs of wrongdoing, police may gain "probable cause" to search cars without a warrant.

aaand this is the problem. smell insert here fake bs the cop thinks or wants to think, search with no warrant.
 
2013-07-05 10:21:36 PM  

DoctorCal: We need to start having roadblocks to check for possession of illegal firearms.


All firearms are illegal already! This guy, such a comedian!
 
2013-07-05 10:22:30 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Smeggy Smurf: Deacon Blue: I used to have a job where I interacted with police officers pretty often.  Many of them regularly abuse the shiat out of their authority.  They also think tasers are just loads of fun.

I think gallows are loads of fun.  How about we hang cops and see who has more fun?

I'm for putting them in the general population in prisons. See how they enjoy what they've inflicted on others.


Wow! You do realize they are human too right?
 
2013-07-05 10:22:33 PM  
Welcome to 1984! You elected him, deal with him.
 
2013-07-05 10:22:41 PM  

sendtodave: Land of the free.

Hey, how come China is supposed to be a police state, compared to the USA, but I've never have to deal with the police here?



Because you're laowai, they know who you are and what you're doing. I lived there long enough to know this by making friends with my local neighborhood PSB officers.

They know what bars and KTV's you frequent, they know which neighborhood shiathole you eat in. They give laowai alot of leaway in extange for us being there and assisting in the advancement of the CPC.

This is their right.

But also keep in mind it's within their right to show up one day with a translator and suggest that you're homesick and you should just leave because you've crossed a line somewhere.

And it's within their right as a country to take action against you if you don't leave their country when it's suggested that you're homesick.

Farking Laowai's.... piss me the hell off.

Love me some China though.
 
2013-07-05 10:22:54 PM  

TommyymmoT: Here's a video I saw earlier, that illustrates the point.


Holy fark.  That bothered me more than the time I watched The Human Centipede 2 on mushrooms.
I had no idea a white guy could become a black guy so fast.
 
2013-07-05 10:23:23 PM  

doglover: doofusss: who is going to stop them?

Guys like this.


[www.nypost.com image 299x300]


who iz dizz
 
2013-07-05 10:23:31 PM  

alice_600: I want a conversation not a YouTube video. Anyone can put up a You tube video.


There may be a reason nobody talks to you....

...also, try reading up on the 4th Amendment and then the 14th Amendment.

/study hard or someone will screw you over
//no, not in the good way
 
2013-07-05 10:23:34 PM  

SamsAxe: During the seatbelt checkpoint, if there are observable signs of wrongdoing, police may gain "probable cause" to search cars without a warrant.

aaand this is the problem. smell insert here fake bs the cop thinks or wants to think, search with no warrant.


And if you don't like it move to china or any other country where it's "better".
 
2013-07-05 10:23:45 PM  
The seatbelt checkpoints should be illegal in the first place and I am ALL ABOUT people wearing their seatbelts.

As far as carrying the training scent stuff they train dogs with, I know a lot of GSD people and you can't get that stuff (for obvious reasons). Furthermore, to my knowledge, although they train dogs with the fake scents, in order to get certified dogs have to also be trained with the real actual drugs. Which means the fake scent might not even work. We have to remember that dogs can smell things like we can see things (and that these are very well trained dogs and that this is their ONLY job) and although I'm not sure how the fake scent is chemically different from the real thing, I imagine that if it is the dog could tell.

In any case, is there punishment for searching someone for drugs after a dog signals and then not finding anything? Because they could easily teach the dog to signal froms omething really subtle just to search whoever they want.

Anyway, the most depressing thing is that these dogs, money, police resources could be used on SUCH BETTER THINGS. Jesus, these dogs would be better doing bomb detection or mold detection or as assistance dogs.
 
2013-07-05 10:24:34 PM  

TommyymmoT: Here's a video I saw earlier, that illustrates the point.


You know, if I was an officer, I would expect that I'd immediately straighten up and be on my most professional behavior if I encountered anyone that knew their rights and made that clear, but were also on their most professional behavior. I think what happened there was that those police didn't. At all. The kid far out-matched them in knowledge of an area that should supersede 99% of people.

/lives about 20 miles from where that checkpoint was
 
2013-07-05 10:25:40 PM  

doofusss: doglover: doofusss: who is going to stop them?

Guys like this.


[www.nypost.com image 299x300]

who iz dizz


The cop's worst nightmare: a double sterotype. Part Jew, part lawyer, pare awesome. He is KYLE'S DAD!

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

And cops, he's gonna eat your lunch.
 
2013-07-05 10:25:42 PM  
Hey, if they can't tell by my fuzzy purple seatbelt pad that I'm wearing the damn thing, they don't need to pull me over. And all the dog'll find is the junk under the seat that I can't reach to clean out.
 
2013-07-05 10:26:53 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: /Land of the free!


Pretty much this. Is anyone even putting up the pretense any more?
 
2013-07-05 10:27:19 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: alice_600: I want a conversation not a YouTube video. Anyone can put up a You tube video.

There may be a reason nobody talks to you....

...also, try reading up on the 4th Amendment and then the 14th Amendment.

/study hard or someone will screw you over
//no, not in the good way


Already did, I follow the law and I cooperate. But for some strange reason people today think that if they don't agree with the law they can just break it. Then they go before a judge and they wonder why they're there to begin with.
If you don't like it move so we can have nice things again.
 
2013-07-05 10:28:41 PM  

AuralArgument: sendtodave: Land of the free.

Hey, how come China is supposed to be a police state, compared to the USA, but I've never have to deal with the police here?


Because you're laowai, they know who you are and what you're doing. I lived there long enough to know this by making friends with my local neighborhood PSB officers.

They know what bars and KTV's you frequent, they know which neighborhood shiathole you eat in. They give laowai alot of leaway in extange for us being there and assisting in the advancement of the CPC.

This is their right.

But also keep in mind it's within their right to show up one day with a translator and suggest that you're homesick and you should just leave because you've crossed a line somewhere.

And it's within their right as a country to take action against you if you don't leave their country when it's suggested that you're homesick.

Farking Laowai's.... piss me the hell off.

Love me some China though.


Ooook, that's fair.  But how come I've never seen them bother any Chinese person I've ever known, either?

Laowai protection field?

In three years, I've seen one grimy street urchin get arrested for shoplifting.  And sometimes I see them picking up random motorcycles.  That's about it.  No cops randomly stopping people for whateverthefark every day.

If they're operating at the same level as American cops, Chinese cops are ninjas.
 
2013-07-05 10:28:56 PM  

alice_600: SamsAxe: During the seatbelt checkpoint, if there are observable signs of wrongdoing, police may gain "probable cause" to search cars without a warrant.

aaand this is the problem. smell insert here fake bs the cop thinks or wants to think, search with no warrant.

And if you don't like it move to china or any other country where it's "better".


so civil liberties only apply to communist countries? good2kno!
 
2013-07-05 10:29:55 PM  
Well, the cops need some way around that pesky "Constitution" thing.

If you weren't a perp , why would they even be talking to you?
 
2013-07-05 10:31:18 PM  
I remember seeing more when I was younger than I do now.  Click-it-or-ticket, DUI checkpoints, etc.  maybe it's because I live in Texas now, or a large city at least, but I haven't driven through a checkpoint in a decade. Many in the 90s.
 
2013-07-05 10:31:29 PM  
Lazy policing: There is an intersection on the way to work where the center lane is a paint-striped "dead" space. You have to make a turn to get on that street, so everybody who goes by this is going relatively slowly. So about once a month, a couple of cops  are stationed there in the morning to helpfully remind forgetful drivers to buckle their belts, for a small reminder fee.

However, that's the only place I've ever seen them do it. So I get checked monthly, and other drivers with different routes never get checked. That's some mighty senseless police work there, Lou. At least they don't have breathalyzers and dogs.
 
2013-07-05 10:31:34 PM  
The "drug sniffing" dogs can and are also trained to pretend that they detect something suspicious on command by officers.
 
2013-07-05 10:31:49 PM  

DubtodaIll: Is it a bad thing for a society when the ramblings of madmen come true?


According to the Liberal FARK-heads (not the swear word) around here, you have nothing to fear if you didn't break the law.

On the other hand, they hate cops because a lot of them abuse their power.   Can I get a clearer understanding of the warped mind of an idiot, please?

On a side note, I live in Washington, so it doesn't matter...but I'm an Oxy popper anyway.  Good luck with sniffing that out.

/was asked once if they could search.  I said not without a warrant.
//they said "what if i had probable cause?"
///my reply was "If you had probably cause, you wouldn't have had to ask.  Nice dash cam you got there."
////no ticket
 
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