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2013-07-05 04:10:01 PM
This sounds like it favors degrees that are less profitable and less in-demand. I would be OK with this if it was 3% for 24 years or 3% for however long it takes to hit a set amount.
 
2013-07-05 04:17:17 PM

video man: This sounds like it favors degrees that are less profitable and less in-demand. I would be OK with this if it was 3% for 24 years or 3% for however long it takes to hit a set amount.


FTFA: Instead, students who qualify as Oregon residents would sign a binding contract that would require they pay a percentage of their post-college income back to the state every year for up to 24 years.

and

The percentage of income paid back would vary based on the type of institution attended but would be in the neighborhood of three percent.


So, it sounds like there will be some variables, and I'd assume scholarship opportunities that would reduce or eliminate the amount needed to be paid back.

Also, WTF is up with the headline?
 
2013-07-05 04:17:47 PM
Heh. California is "tuition free" except when it's not, like all of the crazy fees, books, etc. And when the colleges realize that they're not making as much $$ as they used to, they'll start to recruit more out-of-state and foreign students that will pay full freight, edging out the in-staters.
 
2013-07-05 04:26:27 PM

TuteTibiImperes: video man: This sounds like it favors degrees that are less profitable and less in-demand. I would be OK with this if it was 3% for 24 years or 3% for however long it takes to hit a set amount.

FTFA: Instead, students who qualify as Oregon residents would sign a binding contract that would require they pay a percentage of their post-college income back to the state every year for up to 24 years.

and

The percentage of income paid back would vary based on the type of institution attended but would be in the neighborhood of three percent.

So, it sounds like there will be some variables, and I'd assume scholarship opportunities that would reduce or eliminate the amount needed to be paid back.

Also, WTF is up with the headline?


Ah, it's not a fixed percentage. Or, RRTFA, up to 24 years, not exactly 24 years. Still, it's a bit dangerous because it encourages students to not work during their tenure in college. From what I've heard, employers aren't exactly thrilled to see a resume with a Bachelors but zero work experience.
 
2013-07-05 04:29:13 PM

video man: TuteTibiImperes: video man: This sounds like it favors degrees that are less profitable and less in-demand. I would be OK with this if it was 3% for 24 years or 3% for however long it takes to hit a set amount.

FTFA: Instead, students who qualify as Oregon residents would sign a binding contract that would require they pay a percentage of their post-college income back to the state every year for up to 24 years.

and

The percentage of income paid back would vary based on the type of institution attended but would be in the neighborhood of three percent.

So, it sounds like there will be some variables, and I'd assume scholarship opportunities that would reduce or eliminate the amount needed to be paid back.

Also, WTF is up with the headline?

Ah, it's not a fixed percentage. Or, RRTFA, up to 24 years, not exactly 24 years. Still, it's a bit dangerous because it encourages students to not work during their tenure in college. From what I've heard, employers aren't exactly thrilled to see a resume with a Bachelors but zero work experience.


They'd still need a part time job for spending money, unless the parents are supply that, and it would open up the possibility of more students taking advantage of unpaid internships in the fields they want to work in to gain experience instead of just taking whatever job they can get to pay the bills.
 
2013-07-05 04:34:22 PM
Considering it isn't AT ALL free, they sure throw the word free around a lot.
 
2013-07-05 05:18:23 PM
I wonder how much it will cost to keep track of everybody's account for 24 years, not to mention going after people who don't follow through on the payment scheme.
 
2013-07-05 05:25:58 PM

wxboy: I wonder how much it will cost to keep track of everybody's account for 24 years, not to mention going after people who don't follow through on the payment scheme.


Shouldn't be too hard - the recipients will sign a contract for it, they'll have their SSNs, and the recipients will be responsible for making payments and likely submitting W2s or 1099s yearly to audit the amount they've paid.  If they stop paying, the state will just place a lien on their incomes just like it can with any other unpaid fines, fees, or taxes.
 
2013-07-05 06:35:18 PM
So, get an English degree and pay 3% of your minimum wage for 24 years and we're looking at about 8000 total?  I guess that's a good deal, but I'm not sure how teachers are going to feed their families on that kind of money.
 
2013-07-05 06:38:38 PM

serial_crusher: So, get an English degree and pay 3% of your minimum wage for 24 years and we're looking at about 8000 total?  I guess that's a good deal, but I'm not sure how teachers are going to feed their families on that kind of money.


If it includes grad/professional school as well they could get some nice money back and it would be a nice deal for aspiring doctors, lawyers, etc, as well.
 
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2013-07-05 07:59:02 PM
I predict consultants will devise creative accounting schemes to try to avoid the 3% tax.

State law here says schools keep fees but have to forward tuition to the state. As a result state schools have low tuition and high fees. The "in state tuition for illegals" debate is not as important as it sounds.  A "free tuition for people who like income tax" would also be not as important as it sounds. I don't know the tuition/fee split in Oregon.
 
2013-07-05 08:09:41 PM
Students shouldn't pay for their education. I should pay for it, as a taxpayer. The problem is, every last one of you thinks he's smart enough to benefit from a college education. Only 10% of you are. You tell me how to identify the 10%, and I bet my fellow taxpayers would foot the bill in every state.
 
2013-07-05 09:32:59 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Students shouldn't pay for their education. I should pay for it, as a taxpayer. The problem is, every last one of you thinks he's smart enough to benefit from a college education. Only 10% of you are. You tell me how to identify the 10%, and I bet my fellow taxpayers would foot the bill in every state.


I think it should be the exact opposite.  You pay for your education without any public assistance whatsoever.  When the gravy train of federal student loads dries up college costs will come back down to reality.  Until then, the country will suffer a dearth of people going to trade schools.  Oh the horror of actually having to have to do a trade instead of using the system to fark people over.  Whatever shall we do???
 
2013-07-05 09:35:26 PM

Honest Bender: Considering it isn't AT ALL free, they sure throw the word free around a lot.


They're American.  That's what we do.
 
2013-07-05 09:36:10 PM

video man: Still, it's a bit dangerous because it encourages students to not work during their tenure in college. From what I've heard, employers aren't exactly thrilled to see a resume with a Bachelors but zero work experience.


What does an employer value in seeing that you worked 12 hours a week as a bank teller or behind a counter at a gas station?  Students who have to work a side-job have a drastically higher chance of dropping out of school.  I say any incentive to keep their focus on school is a good thing.
 
2013-07-05 09:37:16 PM

rumpelstiltskin: The problem is, every last one of you thinks he's smart enough to benefit from a college education.


Everyone can benefit from an education (emphasis on "can"; not everyone actually chooses to). Not everyone gets a high-paying job and spends lots of money that gets recycled back into the economy after graduating though. Some people get degrees that are personally meaningful to them, even though the careers are low-paying. Like teachers.
 
2013-07-05 09:37:22 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Students shouldn't pay for their education. I should pay for it, as a taxpayer. The problem is, every last one of you thinks he's smart enough to benefit from a college education. Only 10% of you are. You tell me how to identify the 10%, and I bet my fellow taxpayers would foot the bill in every state.


Bullshiat. Look at how much biatching's been done about healthcare the past 20 years.
 
2013-07-05 09:37:59 PM

wxboy: I wonder how much it will cost to keep track of everybody's account for 24 years, not to mention going after people who don't follow through on the payment scheme.


Not sure, but seeing how banks and collections agencies have all gone bankrupt, it doesn't look good.
 
2013-07-05 09:38:14 PM
Sweet!

So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.

Perfect!

Corporations are people!
 
2013-07-05 09:38:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I think it should be the exact opposite. You pay for your education without any public assistance whatsoever. When the gravy train of federal student loads dries up college costs will come back down to reality. Until then, the country will suffer a dearth of people going to trade schools. Oh the horror of actually having to have to do a trade instead of using the system to fark people over. Whatever shall we do???


What they do now is just spread the word that nobody will hire anyone to even scrub toilets without X degree and scare you into getting it Or Else You Have No Future.
 
2013-07-05 09:40:45 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: video man: Still, it's a bit dangerous because it encourages students to not work during their tenure in college. From what I've heard, employers aren't exactly thrilled to see a resume with a Bachelors but zero work experience.

What does an employer value in seeing that you worked 12 hours a week as a bank teller or behind a counter at a gas station?  Students who have to work a side-job have a drastically higher chance of dropping out of school.  I say any incentive to keep their focus on school is a good thing.


I'm on your side here. The chances that you'll be able to work during college IN your field or something close enough is actually pretty slim.

Seeing SOME work is nice, as it can imply an ethic, but that's pretty weak tea to be basing much on.
 
2013-07-05 09:40:58 PM

Kome: rumpelstiltskin: The problem is, every last one of you thinks he's smart enough to benefit from a college education.

Everyone can benefit from an education (emphasis on "can"; not everyone actually chooses to). Not everyone gets a high-paying job and spends lots of money


That's the only benefit that matters.

College isn't there for education or personal enrichment.  It's there because you need a degree to get a job!
 
2013-07-05 09:41:05 PM

Gosling: Smeggy Smurf: I think it should be the exact opposite. You pay for your education without any public assistance whatsoever. When the gravy train of federal student loads dries up college costs will come back down to reality. Until then, the country will suffer a dearth of people going to trade schools. Oh the horror of actually having to have to do a trade instead of using the system to fark people over. Whatever shall we do???

What they do now is just spread the word that nobody will hire anyone to even scrub toilets without X degree and scare you into getting it Or Else You Have No Future.


Too many people know that a college education makes you too stupid to fix mechanical things for that to work.
 
2013-07-05 09:43:31 PM

Kuta: Sweet!

So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.

Perfect!


ts3.mm.bing.net

"Wealthy people are often able to exploit loopholes in financial systems."
 
2013-07-05 09:51:43 PM

sendtodave: Kuta: Sweet!

So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.

Perfect!

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 168x136]

"Wealthy people are often able to exploit loopholes in financial systems."


The Fair Tax takes care of that too.  No loopholes.  Just tax on first purchased items sans any Federal Income Tax i.e. fark you pay me or we kill you
 
2013-07-05 09:51:51 PM

sendtodave: Kuta: Sweet!

So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.

Perfect!

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 168x136]

"Wealthy people are often able to exploit loopholes in financial systems."


And I'm just sure that trust-fund babies are lining up to go to school at Oregon public universities, to save on tuition dollars.  Because being frugal is a top priority for someone who is born with more money than they could ever spend in their lifetime.  We all better be worried about this!
 
2013-07-05 09:52:20 PM

dj_bigbird: Heh. California is "tuition free" except when it's not, like all of the crazy fees, books, etc. And when the colleges realize that they're not making as much $$ as they used to, they'll start to recruit more out-of-state and foreign students that will pay full freight, edging out the in-staters.


California hasn't been "tuition free" since Reagan was in office.  Since the state's education dollars have declined they've had the second highest tuition increases in the country (Arizona being number 1).
 
2013-07-05 09:55:10 PM

Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax takes care of that too.


www.precisionnutrition.com
 
2013-07-05 09:55:19 PM

dj_bigbird: Heh. California is "tuition free" except when it's not, like all of the crazy fees, books, etc. And when the colleges realize that they're not making as much $$ as they used to, they'll start to recruit more out-of-state and foreign students that will pay full freight, edging out the in-staters.


Oregon State already has an abundance of both of these, and there's a shortage of affordable housing for people who happen to live around here. I cringe when I think about thousands more 18-25 year olds migrating here; making it even more crowded...

/ yeah, I sound middle-aged....
 
2013-07-05 09:56:47 PM

Smeggy Smurf: When the gravy train of federal student loads dries up


I hate it when my load dries up.
 
2013-07-05 09:57:58 PM
it's about goddamned farking time somebody in this stupid shiat country at least IS TRYING something.  I hate that farking state but a strong kudos to them for this.
 
2013-07-05 09:59:42 PM

sendtodave: Kuta: Sweet!

So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.

Perfect!

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 168x136]

"Wealthy people are often able to exploit loopholes in financial systems."


Forgive me if I go on to purchase a home requiring the employ of 20 architects, draftsman, contractors, builders etc. just to build and then require the employ of another ten or more folks for grounds keeping, maintenance, pool cleaning, seasonal decoration installation, etc. Don't discount my HOA fees, property taxes, etc.  And that is just what I give back on my house.

You people have got to learn the difference between hate and jealousy.
 
2013-07-05 10:01:13 PM

sendtodave: College isn't there for education or personal enrichment. It's there because you need a degree to get a job!


thefilmexperience.net
 
2013-07-05 10:02:12 PM

clowncar on fire: You people have got to learn the difference between hate and jealousy.


Why not both?
 
2013-07-05 10:03:55 PM

doglover: sendtodave: College isn't there for education or personal enrichment. It's there because you need a degree to get a job!

[thefilmexperience.net image 432x313]


Yes, even aging actors agree with that statement.
 
2013-07-05 10:04:34 PM
Sounds like a great idea- paying back obligated debt for services rendered.  Not like that ones ever been tried before.  The problem is any offer of debt is merely offering an opportunity to get out of paying regardless of who you are.
 
2013-07-05 10:05:20 PM
Is no one else going to address the complete nonsensicalness of the first half of the headline?
 
2013-07-05 10:08:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Is no one else going to address the complete nonsensicalness of the first half of the headline?


I figured it was supposed to be a joke, with "Oregon" standing in for "Are you goin".
 
2013-07-05 10:08:48 PM
I would like to see more encouragement to go to community college for the first two years. The savings right there are a lot. I wish i would have done that. Instead I went off to college to spend my time dunk and high and ended up having to retake half of those classes again anyway. It was a fun two years though...i think...can't really remember too much from back then...
 
2013-07-05 10:10:01 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: TuteTibiImperes: Is no one else going to address the complete nonsensicalness of the first half of the headline?

I figured it was supposed to be a joke, with "Oregon" standing in for "Are you goin".


Ah, you know, that might be it.  Maybe I'm just dumb.  I've been reading it over and over again and I just couldn't figure if it was a copy/paste error or some bizarre slang I wasn't familiar with.  A pun makes it make sense.
 
2013-07-05 10:11:24 PM

Kuta: So if I am a trust fund baby and want to go to a public school, then I can graduate and have ZERO EARNED INCOME (and 100% investment income) and not pay the state a dime.


There's an awfully large caveat in the "students who qualify" part. They're only at the "thinking about possibly doing this" -- hopefully the program would include a need-based formula.
 
2013-07-05 10:14:06 PM
and fark obama and every elected official in DC that just sat back and let the student loan rates double.  what, they weren't profiting enough from them?
 
2013-07-05 10:16:38 PM

sendtodave: doglover: sendtodave: College isn't there for education or personal enrichment. It's there because you need a degree to get a job!

[thefilmexperience.net image 432x313]

Yes, even aging actors agree with that statement.


Nobody with an IQ over 101 agrees with that statement. All the actors I know who are successful didn't go to college for a degree to get that job. All the super wealthy people I know of from the media, none of them went to college to get a degree for that job. (Except maybe Warren Buffet, but even then) All the unsuccessful people who hate their job? They went to college for a degree to get that job and no other reason.

You're a fool.
 
2013-07-05 10:19:06 PM

TuteTibiImperes: A pun makes it make sense.


It's still clumsy and terrible, though.  I didn't come to that conclusion on the first few attempts either.  If it was setting up a joke it might be more servicable:

Knock Knock / Who's there? / Oregon / Oregon who? / Oregon to college tuition-free?

It still requires you to pronounce it "Or-eh-gin" instead of "Or-ah-gon", which is common in this part of the Midwest.
 
2013-07-05 10:20:59 PM

doglover: sendtodave: doglover: sendtodave: College isn't there for education or personal enrichment. It's there because you need a degree to get a job!

[thefilmexperience.net image 432x313]

Yes, even aging actors agree with that statement.

Nobody with an IQ over 101 agrees with that statement. All the actors I know who are successful didn't go to college for a degree to get that job. All the super wealthy people I know of from the media, none of them went to college to get a degree for that job. (Except maybe Warren Buffet, but even then) All the unsuccessful people who hate their job? They went to college for a degree to get that job and no other reason.

You're a fool.


Fooooooool!

Anyway.  Read the classifieds some time.  Find something white collar that doesn't require a degree.

/didn't finish college
//works in IT
///can get away with it
 
2013-07-05 10:23:59 PM

Kome: Some people get degrees that are personally meaningful to them, even though the careers are low-paying. Like teachers.


Don't give me this "low-paying" shiat.

Working at Walmart is low-paying. Teachers do okay. They trade off some of the big bucks potential of the private sector for tenure, a pension free from many taxes, better benefits than most (extending into retirement), a summer vacation, and if you're doing your job right you can bail before age 60.

To really shake down the public sector you need to be a cop or a paid firefighter.
 
2013-07-05 10:24:02 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Knock Knock / Who's there? / Oregon / Oregon who? / Oregon to college tuition-free?

It still requires you to pronounce it "Or-eh-gin" instead of "Or-ah-gon", which is common in this part of the Midwest.


"Ar yeh goon to college?"

Works if you use a think brogue.
 
2013-07-05 10:25:48 PM

sendtodave: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Knock Knock / Who's there? / Oregon / Oregon who? / Oregon to college tuition-free?

It still requires you to pronounce it "Or-eh-gin" instead of "Or-ah-gon", which is common in this part of the Midwest.

"Ar yeh goon to college?"

Works if you use a think brogue.


Oddly it works with the same Midwest "Yooper" accent that would interpret the pronunciation that way.
 
2013-07-05 10:27:14 PM

clowncar on fire: Sounds like a great idea- paying back obligated debt for services rendered.  Not like that ones ever been tried before.  The problem is any offer of debt is merely offering an opportunity to get out of paying regardless of who you are.


I've always said, every high school diploma should come bundled with a bill for the $180K that that education costs, and the crushing, lifelong debt that comes with it.

America!
 
2013-07-05 10:27:34 PM

Gulper Eel: Don't give me this "low-paying" shiat.

Working at Walmart is low-paying. Teachers do okay.


I didn't realize you needed a degree to work at Walmart.
 
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