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2013-07-06 01:41:09 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-06 01:42:50 AM
And should be shot square in the neck
 
2013-07-06 01:44:16 AM
Underachieving students? In rural Idaho? Exactly who were the "achieving" students who got to do the drawing?
 
2013-07-06 01:47:09 AM

CavalierEternal: Underachieving students? In rural Idaho? Exactly who were the "achieving" students who got to do the drawing?


The ones who made it through The Poky Little Puppy without asking for help or stuttering.
 
2013-07-06 01:58:20 AM
*scans headline*


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2013-07-06 02:00:02 AM
Hey teach, how about instead of making kids feel bad because you are a bad teacher you actually spend time getting to the root of why they didn't read/talking to parents. Punishment doesn't teach anything but to avoid punishment.
 
2013-07-06 02:03:01 AM
Nothing ironic or anti PC about this....move along morons
 
2013-07-06 02:13:42 AM
"The class had a discussed their accelerated reading goals and trying to put together some incentives for students to achieve those goals. One of those incentives was who met their goals would be able to paint the face of those kids who didn't meet their goals or those children who didn't meet their goals could also miss recess" said Cassia County School District Superintendent Gaylen Smyer...The students could chose a series of punishments. Six kids chose to let other kids draw on their faces and also miss three recess periods.

Although I first have to point out that the "journalist" here should be next in line to have his/her face painted....the kids could pick whatever punishment they wanted. Six of them picked having their faces drawn on, probably because they thought it would be funny. I'm guessing the other "punishments" included missing more recess, or extra assignments.

Also, look. Some kids (hell, some ADULTS) just don't like reading, and will never like it. Nothing will induce them to read more. Punishment will not; neither will some kind of therapy or reward. They just hate it; and it's nothing to do with intelligence or ability. I had good friends in law school who absolutely hated reading for pleasure, but were more than able to read their case books.

So everyone: Stop panicking over kids being 4th grade kids and deciding they'd rather have their faces drawn on than miss extra recess; and also stop thinking everyone must read and like reading. Can they read at a functional level? Then STFU and ask them to critique a TV show instead.
 
2013-07-06 02:14:54 AM
"The class had a discussed their accelerated reading goals"

Then they a made a spicy-ah meatball.
 
2013-07-06 02:14:56 AM
Nothing wrong with this.  She was pro-active in letting the kids choose possible punishments before hand and letting them choose their own sentences when they failed.  Great teaching method/practice.  Gets the students involved in keeping to their word and consequences of failure in a harmless manner.

It was not bullying or hazing. Helicopter parent at the end needs her face painted...if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
 
2013-07-06 02:36:13 AM
FTA:  "Not only was my son punished with bullying, but the other students were rewarded with bullying. They're being taught that bullying is okay and there is nothing wrong with this" a parent told KMTV in November 2012.

This, oddly enough. We typically don't do this in society - why in the hell would we allow such behavior in the place where we train people to enter society?
 
2013-07-06 02:38:50 AM

tomerson: And should be shot square in the neck


Well that escalated quickly.
 
2013-07-06 02:58:47 AM

FormlessOne: FTA:  "Not only was my son punished with bullying, but the other students were rewarded with bullying. They're being taught that bullying is okay and there is nothing wrong with this" a parent told KMTV in November 2012.

This, oddly enough. We typically don't do this in society - why in the hell would we allow such behavior in the place where we train people to enter society?


It's not bullying, the kids were not forced into it.  They knew what the possible punishments were(they in fact picked them as a group) and got to choose which ones they got when they fell short of their goals.  The kids CHOSE face painting.

It's no different than society shunning a racist or homophobe, also people who can't be bothered to think overmuch.

There was no victimization, no harassment. Just an informed study of responsibility and consequence.  Much as you know there are laws that have to be followed.

People like you are why the education system is a shambles.
 
2013-07-06 03:14:30 AM

omeganuepsilon: FormlessOne: FTA:  "Not only was my son punished with bullying, but the other students were rewarded with bullying. They're being taught that bullying is okay and there is nothing wrong with this" a parent told KMTV in November 2012.

This, oddly enough. We typically don't do this in society - why in the hell would we allow such behavior in the place where we train people to enter society?

It's not bullying, the kids were not forced into it.  They knew what the possible punishments were(they in fact picked them as a group) and got to choose which ones they got when they fell short of their goals.  The kids CHOSE face painting.

It's no different than society shunning a racist or homophobe, also people who can't be bothered to think overmuch.

There was no victimization, no harassment. Just an informed study of responsibility and consequence.  Much as you know there are laws that have to be followed.

People like you are why the education system is a shambles.


9/10
This should get some bites.
 
2013-07-06 03:23:17 AM

Empty H: 9/10
This should get some bites.


I like how you pretend it's a troll so you don't have to argue with it at all. Great display of willful ignorance.
 
2013-07-06 04:14:11 AM
What was left out is that the "achieving" students could only draw the face of SpongeBob SquarePants on the "underachieving" students because when it came to remembering a face, that was all they could come up with.
 
2013-07-06 04:48:02 AM
I always thought that homework in school was supposed to train you to be able to suffer through the world of employment as an adult.  If you don't do your dang job, there are usually consequences such as getting fired.  Helicopter parents need to STFU and make their kids do their work.

/Same parents complaining about face-painting will also biatch when their kids fail reading.
 
2013-07-06 04:54:16 AM
imokaywiththis.jpg
 
2013-07-06 05:00:42 AM
Look. It's either this or the teacher will have to have sex with the achieving students. Which precedent do you want to set?
 
2013-07-06 05:16:08 AM
I will admit that I really didn't care to read much in school. I could read just fine, just that the vast majority of the reading material offered to me was crap. All that mattered to the below average intelligence teachers was the number of pages I read, not what I read. Reading a hundred Hardy Boys books to fulfill their quota seemed like nothing but a waste of time. Either that or the teachers would demand we write papers on the books that would suck all the joy out of reading by having to over-analyze every little bit of minutiae in the story.
 
2013-07-06 05:33:32 AM

Befuddled: I will admit that I really didn't care to read much in school. I could read just fine, just that the vast majority of the reading material offered to me was crap. All that mattered to the below average intelligence teachers was the number of pages I read, not what I read. Reading a hundred Hardy Boys books to fulfill their quota seemed like nothing but a waste of time. Either that or the teachers would demand we write papers on the books that would suck all the joy out of reading by having to over-analyze every little bit of minutiae in the story.


It's not supposed to "joyful".  Their job is to teach you to read, and then make sure you can.  The purpose of judging quantity is so that it doesn't take you 3 months to read 1 book.

Now, I can appreciate that you don't need all of that in the later years, I ditched advanced math/physics courses myself for classes that were more interesting, this is a class for 4rth graders.  The early education is a valuable "use it or lose it" time frame.

If you don't get pressed to learn to read and write well when young, you end up on a witness stand talking about how you hear grass sounds, like grass, wet grass... on the other end of the phone.
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2013-07-06 05:38:39 AM

omeganuepsilon: Befuddled: I will admit that I really didn't care to read much in school. I could read just fine, just that the vast majority of the reading material offered to me was crap. All that mattered to the below average intelligence teachers was the number of pages I read, not what I read. Reading a hundred Hardy Boys books to fulfill their quota seemed like nothing but a waste of time. Either that or the teachers would demand we write papers on the books that would suck all the joy out of reading by having to over-analyze every little bit of minutiae in the story.

It's not supposed to "joyful".  Their job is to teach you to read, and then make sure you can.  The purpose of judging quantity is so that it doesn't take you 3 months to read 1 book.

Now, I can appreciate that you don't need all of that in the later years, I ditched advanced math/physics courses myself for classes that were more interesting, this is a class for 4rth graders.  The early education is a valuable "use it or lose it" time frame.

If you don't get pressed to learn to read and write well when young, you end up on a witness stand talking about how you hear grass sounds, like grass, wet grass... on the other end of the phone.
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No, I'd argue that's if you don't get pressed at all. Getting forced to read because everyone thinks you should love reading because everyone thinks reading is essential to life itself will ensure you grow up to hate reading...more than life itself.

My third nephew can, I assure you, read and write quite competently (certainly better than miss brain damaged witness stand), but he HATES reading for pleasure. And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read. Of my sister's kids, he's the only one whose English skills have declined steadily as he's gone through junior high, because they insist he Has To Read, Dammit.  If they'd back off, he might learn to like it again; but that's unlikely to happen.
 
2013-07-06 06:02:41 AM

Gyrfalcon: And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read.


I'd argue that he's an outlier in a sense(few kids start out liking reading, but few hate so badly), but in cases like that they could work on different teaching methods and/or investigate why he can't stand it(ie dyslexia, or eye problems are common things that can make reading more like torture).
 
2013-07-06 06:30:26 AM

omeganuepsilon: Gyrfalcon: And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read.

I'd argue that he's an outlier in a sense(few kids start out liking reading, but few hate so badly), but in cases like that they could work on different teaching methods and/or investigate why he can't stand it(ie dyslexia, or eye problems are common things that can make reading more like torture).


Nope. He's been tested for all that. He reads fine. Good comprehension, no letter or word inversion. He just doesn't like it. He started out with some difficulty, which he overcame (because he didn't want to be left behind his brothers), but he just doesn't care for creative reading. It's not his idea of a fun time. And the more the school puts the screws to him, the more he doesn't like it. Like anything you're MADE to do, if you don't really want to do it (when you're a kid).

So, he'll finish out his mandatory schooling and they'll have successfully killed any chance he'll ever enjoy reading. Because in school, you not only have to be able to read, you have to LIKE to read. Just being able to read isn't good enough. Which is sad.
 
2013-07-06 06:32:58 AM
Gee, Opposing Views looking for yet another way to vilify someone in the public sector? Color me surprised.
 
2013-07-06 06:59:55 AM

Gyrfalcon: I had good friends in law school who absolutely hated reading for pleasure, but were more than able to read their case books.


I don't believe you. I bet they just lied to you, because they're lawyers and that's part of their job, for practice and you fell for it hook, line, and stinker.
 
2013-07-06 07:09:28 AM

Gyrfalcon: My third nephew can, I assure you, read and write quite competently (certainly better than miss brain damaged witness stand), but he HATES reading for pleasure. And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read. Of my sister's kids, he's the only one whose English skills have declined steadily as he's gone through junior high, because they insist he Has To Read, Dammit. If they'd back off, he might learn to like it again; but that's unlikely to happen.


Are they letting him choose what he likes to read?  That was a big help to me in that phase.  All the stuff school had us reading was ancient and not at all entertaining.  Even when they tried to get a variety and include some scifi, it was classics, like Bradbury and HG Wells.  Those were great books in their time, but didn't really play well to a 13 year old in 1995

The thing that finally got me to realize that reading's Not So Bad was when I bought a video game (Spectre VR) that came with a free copy of Snow Crash, for some reason or another.  I had a book report where we were allowed to pick the book, and I said "well, this book probably sucks because it was free with a video game, but reading sucks in general so what can I lose?"  It was a real eye opener, but I still don't understand why they were giving that awesome book away with crappy video games.  Who knows, maybe the game came free with the book?
 
2013-07-06 07:16:41 AM
Why stop at the face?

www.stayclassyiowa.org
 
2013-07-06 07:17:35 AM

Think 4D: Gee, Opposing Views looking for yet another way to vilify someone in the public sector? Color me surprised.


www.allkidsnetwork.com
 
2013-07-06 07:42:06 AM

Think 4D: Gee, Opposing Views looking for yet another way to vilify someone in the public sector? Color me surprised.


They have reached Daily Mail/Gawker status for click whoring and cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-07-06 07:47:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: omeganuepsilon: Gyrfalcon: And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read.

I'd argue that he's an outlier in a sense(few kids start out liking reading, but few hate so badly), but in cases like that they could work on different teaching methods and/or investigate why he can't stand it(ie dyslexia, or eye problems are common things that can make reading more like torture).

Nope. He's been tested for all that. He reads fine. Good comprehension, no letter or word inversion. He just doesn't like it. He started out with some difficulty, which he overcame (because he didn't want to be left behind his brothers), but he just doesn't care for creative reading. It's not his idea of a fun time. And the more the school puts the screws to him, the more he doesn't like it. Like anything you're MADE to do, if you don't really want to do it (when you're a kid).

So, he'll finish out his mandatory schooling and they'll have successfully killed any chance he'll ever enjoy reading. Because in school, you not only have to be able to read, you have to LIKE to read. Just being able to read isn't good enough. Which is sad.


serial_crusher: Gyrfalcon: My third nephew can, I assure you, read and write quite competently (certainly better than miss brain damaged witness stand), but he HATES reading for pleasure. And the more the school forces him to read because he must, the more he becomes certain he Hates To Read. Of my sister's kids, he's the only one whose English skills have declined steadily as he's gone through junior high, because they insist he Has To Read, Dammit. If they'd back off, he might learn to like it again; but that's unlikely to happen.

Are they letting him choose what he likes to read?  That was a big help to me in that phase.  All the stuff school had us reading was ancient and not at all entertaining.  Even when they tried to get a variety and include some scifi, it was classics, like Bradbury and HG Wells.  Those were great books in their time, but didn't really play well to a 13 year old in 1995

The thing that finally got me to realize that reading's Not So Bad was when I bought a video game (Spectre VR) that came with a free copy of Snow Crash, for some reason or another.  I had a book report where we were allowed to pick the book, and I said "well, this book probably sucks because it was free with a video game, but reading sucks in general so what can I lose?"  It was a real eye opener, but I still don't understand why they were giving that awesome book away with crappy video games.  Who knows, maybe the game came free with the book?


These two comments support why this teacher should've been fired.  I didn't pickup reading by reading what the school wanted me to read.  Even after I learned to read, I still barely passed when it came time to read garbage like Great Expectations and The Scarlet Letter.  Oh how I hate not only those books, but the writers and everyone who enjoys them.  However, I have been told to put a Mark Twain book away so I could pay attention to what was going on in English class because I was so engrossed in it.  Why should I read AND enjoy the same books as the teacher?  Some teachers are the worse for 'don't like what I don't like' attitudes.  I have been punished for eating my sandwich different and somehow I am to still like the teacher.

My 10 yro daughter is the most interesting reading case I have seen.  She was actually a closet reader, as in she hid her reading capabilities to avoid reading.  My wife could not get her to read for nothing.  Of course the threat of punishment did nothing, and I asked my wife to quit it.  What finally broke her of it was I kept giving her silly stuff to read like the comics.  The simple short stories of the comics helped to relax and enjoy reading.  Then she built up to more difficult reading as she found her joy in what she was reading.  It can't be forced by threats, find what the reader may actually want to read.  Even if it isn't silly creative, but rather Popular Science magazine.  No one gets engrossed in stuff they hate to read.
 
2013-07-06 08:06:21 AM

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: I always thought that homework in school was supposed to train you to be able to suffer through the world of employment as an adult.  If you don't do your dang job, there are usually consequences such as getting fired.  Helicopter parents need to STFU and make their kids do their work.

/Same parents complaining about face-painting will also biatch when their kids fail reading.


Yes, because people want children today learning that the grown-up world is filled with having to not only work at work, but also at home after work. Is it common? Yes? Is it acceptable? Hell no.

As for a replacement for homework, I don't know of any good ones. All I know is that this "all time is on call time" for more and more jobs that don't require it mentality has to stop somewhere.
 
2013-07-06 08:30:05 AM
I'm pretty sure that this teacher was using a program called Accelerated Reader. The students pick their own reading material from the school library and when finished reading the book they take a short quiz. If they earn 7/10 or better they get points or credit. The students pick what they are interested in, at their ability level, either fiction or nonfiction. I've used this and a similar program called Accelerated Reader. It can motivate and turn non readers into readers. The teacher did not consider the implications on the snowflakes' self esteem with her cunning plan.
 
2013-07-06 08:32:24 AM
These under-achieving kids had better get used to having their faces drawn on - this thread is littered with proof.

/I first read, then typed that as feces
 
2013-07-06 09:38:13 AM
As the mother of a dyslexic student, f*ck this teacher. F*ck her, f*ck her, F*CK HER long and hard. If my child was in this class and was punished for failing to meet a reading goal making her look like the shiatty teacher that she is, I would ruin this woman. Not ITG, I'm serious. I would go to war. F*ck her. She sucks.

My dyslexic kid is on high honor roll in honors classes (including English) and now reads voraciously and omnivorously, but in the fourth grade struggled to finish a book. Reading and writing were physically painful to her. She would finish more days than not with a migraine. You're going to PUNISH her for that shiat?? F*ck you.

And if NINE of your students don't meet their goals, and punishment is the best you can come up with, you fail. Not your students, you.
 
2013-07-06 09:56:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: "The class had a discussed their accelerated reading goals and trying to put together some incentives for students to achieve those goals. One of those incentives was who met their goals would be able to paint the face of those kids who didn't meet their goals or those children who didn't meet their goals could also miss recess" said Cassia County School District Superintendent Gaylen Smyer...The students could chose a series of punishments. Six kids chose to let other kids draw on their faces and also miss three recess periods.

Although I first have to point out that the "journalist" here should be next in line to have his/her face painted....the kids could pick whatever punishment they wanted. Six of them picked having their faces drawn on, probably because they thought it would be funny. I'm guessing the other "punishments" included missing more recess, or extra assignments.


Letting kids choose "consequences" (schools don't call 'em "punishments") is a teacher's way of releasing her inner sadist without accepting responsibility. Teachers are adept at guiding classes to make the choices that teachers want.  This horseshiat legitimizes "Lord of the Flies" behavior, and it carries into adult workplaces.

The consequence for not reading assignments should be a failing grade, and that's nobody's business beside the  student, school, and parents.
 
2013-07-06 09:59:06 AM

namegoeshere: As the mother of a dyslexic student, f*ck this teacher. F*ck her, f*ck her, F*CK HER long and hard. If my child was in this class and was punished for failing to meet a reading goal making her look like the shiatty teacher that she is, I would ruin this woman. Not ITG, I'm serious. I would go to war. F*ck her. She sucks.

My dyslexic kid is on high honor roll in honors classes (including English) and now reads voraciously and omnivorously, but in the fourth grade struggled to finish a book. Reading and writing were physically painful to her. She would finish more days than not with a migraine. You're going to PUNISH her for that shiat?? F*ck you.

And if NINE of your students don't meet their goals, and punishment is the best you can come up with, you fail. Not your students, you.


long and hard.  my two favorite words in teh English language
 
2013-07-06 09:59:50 AM

omeganuepsilon: Nothing wrong with this.  She was pro-active in letting the kids choose possible punishments before hand and letting them choose their own sentences when they failed.  Great teaching method/practice.  Gets the students involved in keeping to their word and consequences of failure in a harmless manner.

It was not bullying or hazing. Helicopter parent at the end needs her face painted...if you know what I mean, and I think you do.


When your boss asks your workgroup to decide what's appropriate for the last person who turns in his work and then chooses, 'Make him wear a dress," you'll understand.
 
2013-07-06 10:32:57 AM
Fark never ceases to amaze me.  So much anti-education, especially as it pertains to reading, for a text based forum which links to mostly text articles.
Not surprised, given the amount of tl:dr, DNRTFA that goes on, but still..amazing.

What's next guys, an Auschwitz reference? Start calling summer school re-education camps?
 
2013-07-06 10:43:58 AM

eldoobie: I'm pretty sure that this teacher was using a program called Accelerated Reader. The students pick their own reading material from the school library and when finished reading the book they take a short quiz. If they earn 7/10 or better they get points or credit. The students pick what they are interested in, at their ability level, either fiction or nonfiction. I've used this and a similar program called Accelerated Reader. It can motivate and turn non readers into readers. The teacher did not consider the implications on the snowflakes' self esteem with her cunning plan.


You said "Accelerated Reader" twice.
 
2013-07-06 11:10:56 AM

omeganuepsilon: Fark never ceases to amaze me.  So much anti-education, especially as it pertains to reading, for a text based forum which links to mostly text articles.
Not surprised, given the amount of tl:dr, DNRTFA that goes on, but still..amazing.

What's next guys, an Auschwitz reference? Start calling summer school re-education camps?


You have no f*cking clue what education is. Hint: This is not it. My child would have been one of the nine in this class who did not complete this assignment. You know what punishing her would have done? NOTHING. Jack shiat. Actually no, that's not true. Like the teacher who kept her in for recess every. Farking. Day because she could not finish her assignments in the same time that her classmates did. Taking away her recess and making a public example of her did NOTHING to help her learn, but it did kill her self esteem, send her home in tears more often than not, make her hate school and not want to go, send her to the nurse's office daily with some symptom or another, cause her to believe that she was stupid, hinder her social relationships, and increase her frustration and self loathing, which made her reading and writing worse, not better, and made her believe that she could never be anything but stupid so why bother.

What did help? What WAS education? The first teacher who got to know her well enough to be able to say, the gap between what this child should be producing and what she is producing is far too great. She's not average. There's something else going on here. Figuring out WHY she was not having success. (Because she is very smart, she could cover up for a lot of her issues. She never tested two standard deviations below the mean, and therefore was not considered LD by the school. We knew she was much smarter than was evidenced by her performance, but the school did not agree. This one teacher refused to settle for allowing her to just be average, and encouraged us to seek out a private, thorough eval by a PhD Educational Psychologist) Getting a diagnosis. Convincing her that she is the opposite of stupid, and in fact is in the really narrow upper end of the bell curve, and has some learning challenges which will make her always need to work hard and smart but will not limit her future. Going to battle with the district to get her the services she needed, Keeping right up the school's butt. Refusing to allow her to be shuffled aside. Working with her teachers (who I have to say have been amazingly great, after that one who... let's say no longer works for the district)

THAT is education. THAT is why my kid is now fighting it out for one of the top spots in her class. That one teacher who didn't pass her off as just another lazy, dumbish kid.

This biatch wouldn't know "education" if it bit her on the ass.
 
2013-07-06 11:33:53 AM

iron de havilland: eldoobie: I'm pretty sure that this teacher was using a program called Accelerated Reader. The students pick their own reading material from the school library and when finished reading the book they take a short quiz. If they earn 7/10 or better they get points or credit. The students pick what they are interested in, at their ability level, either fiction or nonfiction. I've used this and a similar program called Accelerated Reader. It can motivate and turn non readers into readers. The teacher did not consider the implications on the snowflakes' self esteem with her cunning plan.

You said "Accelerated Reader" twice.


Whoops. Reading Counts is the other one.
 
2013-07-06 11:52:22 AM

eldoobie: a program called Accelerated Reader. The students pick their own reading material from the school library and when finished reading the book they take a short quiz


Hey, that's pretty cool.  I wish that was around in my day.  Snow Crash is on there, but I'm not finding much else that I liked.

I searched for The Turner Diaries for shiggles, but it's not there either.  Guess that's one demographic they're not going to reach out to.
 
2013-07-06 12:04:15 PM

namegoeshere: Figuring out WHY she was not having success.


And?  I don't care about your kid.  She got what she needed.  Big whoop.

If you'd actually read the thread, I advocate helping special needs kids. Many kids don't have your kid's problem, they sometimes really are just lazy or in need of the practice.  Pretending it's always some witch-hunt is preposterous and narrow sighted on your part.

Also, you're still railing against "punishment".  It's farking face paint dude.  To most kids, that's like "punishing" them with cupcakes.

Unless you can show she was having the kids write, "I'm a farking idiot" instead of admittedly bad kid's-drawings of spongebob, whiskers, and hello kitty, get of your farking cross.
 
2013-07-06 12:10:44 PM

omeganuepsilon: If you'd actually read the thread, I advocate helping special needs kids. Many kids don't have your kid's problem, they sometimes really are just lazy or in need of the practice. Pretending it's always some witch-hunt is preposterous and narrow sighted on your part.


This shows exactly how much you don't get it. This teacher has no farking clue which is which because she is too farking lazy to figure it out.
 
2013-07-06 12:13:03 PM

namegoeshere: omeganuepsilon: If you'd actually read the thread, I advocate helping special needs kids. Many kids don't have your kid's problem, they sometimes really are just lazy or in need of the practice. Pretending it's always some witch-hunt is preposterous and narrow sighted on your part.

This shows exactly how much you don't get it. This teacher has no farking clue which is which because she is too farking lazy to figure it out.


How do you know that she's not also trying to help the students?  Complete and utter assumption.
 
2013-07-06 12:17:49 PM

omeganuepsilon: namegoeshere: omeganuepsilon: If you'd actually read the thread, I advocate helping special needs kids. Many kids don't have your kid's problem, they sometimes really are just lazy or in need of the practice. Pretending it's always some witch-hunt is preposterous and narrow sighted on your part.

This shows exactly how much you don't get it. This teacher has no farking clue which is which because she is too farking lazy to figure it out.

How do you know that she's not also trying to help the students?  Complete and utter assumption.


Because I can read. A large number of students could not complete their reading goals, and her response was completely idiotic and useless punishments and public shaming that did nothing to help the students succeed at their goals.
 
2013-07-06 12:28:23 PM

namegoeshere: useless punishments and public shaming


So that is what it's about.

Ric Romero NEWSFLASH: KIDS LIKE FACEPAINTING!!!!
These kids even chose it.

What public shame may look like:
facepaintingandballoons.com
 
2013-07-06 12:36:15 PM

omeganuepsilon: namegoeshere: useless punishments and public shaming

So that is what it's about.

Ric Romero NEWSFLASH: KIDS LIKE FACEPAINTING!!!!
These kids even chose it.

What public shame may look like:
[facepaintingandballoons.com image 640x811]


Let's pretend for a minute that that's what this was. What was the point? Why set a goal and throw a face painting party when a large number of students did not reach the goal, and allow only the students who did not reach the goal to receive the reward?

But hey, that point is moot because you're completely farking wrong!

The Cassia County School District filed a formal complaint against Larsen, a fourth-grade teacher at Declo Elementary School last November after she allowed her students to scribble on other students' faces with markers after they failed to meet reading goals.
 
2013-07-06 12:47:07 PM
Well done, you finally did what I suggested. Mission Accomplished.

omeganuepsilon: Unless you can show she was having the kids write, "I'm a farking idiot" instead of admittedly bad kid's-drawings of spongebob, whiskers, and hello kitty, get of your farking cross.


See? Proof of concept.  A little negative reinforcement can be a great motivator.
 
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