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(Washington Post)   If you think Edward Snowden's got documentation problems, get a load of this guy   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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2013-07-05 01:25:16 PM
A load of what part of this guy, exactly?

/ No, it's true... I haz a sad for him.
 
2013-07-05 01:26:48 PM
Wait.  He had the option of being stateless in Samoa or stateless in LA?  farking LA?

Guy aint right in the head, should have stayed in Samoa.
 
2013-07-05 01:36:34 PM
@Weaver95

SINless in Seattle.
 
2013-07-05 01:37:16 PM
This guy is stateless .  Mentally..

Well...there is always Bermuda.

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2013-07-05 01:38:53 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Wait.  He had the option of being stateless in Samoa or stateless in LA?  farking LA?

Guy aint right in the head, should have stayed in Samoa.


He couldn't legally live or work there.  That's his whole problem.
 
2013-07-05 01:40:08 PM
I hate it when people try to model their real life after a movie.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-05 01:44:40 PM
If your travel documents are all messed up, don't fly out of the country. No matter what anyone tells you over the phone, how many bureaucrats tell you it's fine, how many Yahoo! Answers you read that say it's no problem. Stay in Los Angeles and get an immigration lawyer with the plane ticket money.

Anyone who's ever made more than one trip to the DMV in a day knows this. Most of these "messed up documentation" cases go wrong when the person flies home to visit family or takes a vacation and can't get back in. Los Angeles is a beautiful city, with gorgeous weather and plenty of work. You could do worse as a refugee.
 
2013-07-05 01:44:49 PM
I can't imagine what life might be like for this guy. It is actually amazing that he was able to keep it together enough to have a vacation in Samoa, but how did he get work to earn enough to do that in the first place?
 
2013-07-05 01:47:05 PM
What kind of idiot goes on 'vacation' knowing that their ability to travel internationally is highly restricted by circumstances such as this?

(And yes, I get that American Samoa is not technically international travel, but the point still stands)
 
2013-07-05 01:53:01 PM
Wait til they get'a load of this guy next.

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2013-07-05 01:53:07 PM

MFAWG: What kind of idiot goes on 'vacation' knowing that their ability to travel internationally is highly restricted by circumstances such as this?

(And yes, I get that American Samoa is not technically international travel, but the point still stands)


Yeah, that seemed pretty farking dumb.  There was nowhere actually in the US-proper that you could vacation?

Normally I'd applaud going off the beaten path, but if you're barely even allowed here in the first place, leaving for a vacation isn't a good plan.
 
2013-07-05 01:53:11 PM
...I took what I thought would be a short vacation to American Samoa.
... my four-day trip turned into a year-long trap.


You travel all the farking way to Somoa for four goddamn days?
 
2013-07-05 02:03:30 PM
I too am perplexed about why this guy decided to vacation in American Samoa.
 
2013-07-05 02:05:53 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I hate it when people try to model their real life after a movie.

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Believe it or not, that movie was actually inspired by a true story. The real guy had to stay in the airport for eighteen years before someone finally let him in - and that was only because he needed medical attention.
 
2013-07-05 02:07:59 PM

vernonFL: I too am perplexed about why this guy decided to vacation in American Samoa.


Yeah.  Them Samoans are a surly bunch.
 
2013-07-05 02:11:58 PM
12 million people? There's gotta be some place willing to take in 12 million undocumented people... a country that, by mere virtue of its existence, welcomes people who want to work legally and enjoy citizenship.

If only there was a country that exists like that today..... can't think of a damn one.
 
2013-07-05 02:17:42 PM

mccallcl: If your travel documents are all messed up, don't fly out of the country. No matter what anyone tells you over the phone, how many bureaucrats tell you it's fine, how many Yahoo! Answers you read that say it's no problem. Stay in Los Angeles and get an immigration lawyer with the plane ticket money.


So. Much. This.
 
2013-07-05 02:20:40 PM

AntiNerd: but how did he get work to earn enough to do that in the first place?


From TFA:  I was released from detention in February 2003 and was ordered to report to the Department of Homeland Security every three months. I was issued a permit to work - and I have held jobs as a travel agent and a barista
 
2013-07-05 02:26:54 PM

dukeblue219: held jobs as a travel agent and a barista


Okay. I guess with his travel agent gig he got a deal on flights to Pago Pago.

For shiats and giggles I just checked Expedia on flights from LAX to Pago Pago, American Samoa and I couldn't even find any.
 
2013-07-05 02:30:16 PM
The United States has always opened itself to the world's suffering and oppressed people. A country with such a tradition of justice ought to address this issue.

It's kinda like getting a loan. If you don't need the money, the bank has no problem lending you the money. If you really need the money, the bank gets very suspicious.

The world over, customs and immigration people must be given a feather pillow and told to tear it open. Ten minutes later they are told to collect every feather that escaped. Then they're told what happens if they let the wrong guy pass through, and how personally expensive it is to find him, suspended without pay and all.
 
2013-07-05 02:37:05 PM

vernonFL: dukeblue219: held jobs as a travel agent and a barista

Okay. I guess with his travel agent gig he got a deal on flights to Pago Pago.

For shiats and giggles I just checked Expedia on flights from LAX to Pago Pago, American Samoa and I couldn't even find any.


They exist.  http://tinyurl.com/lyav5tf
 
2013-07-05 02:37:10 PM

vernonFL: For shiats and giggles I just checked Expedia on flights from LAX to Pago Pago, American Samoa and I couldn't even find any.


Well I just checked on Kayak and there's plenty of options around $1800 roundtrip, with a stop in Honolulu. Hawaiian Airlines seems to be the main option -- maybe they aren't on Expedia?
 
2013-07-05 02:54:22 PM

vernonFL: dukeblue219: held jobs as a travel agent and a barista

Okay. I guess with his travel agent gig he got a deal on flights to Pago Pago.

For shiats and giggles I just checked Expedia on flights from LAX to Pago Pago, American Samoa and I couldn't even find any.


Of course there are no nonstop routes...have to go through Honolulu.
 
2013-07-05 03:03:28 PM
The United States has always opened itself to the world's suffering and oppressed people.

Looks like someone gets all his information from cheesy propaganda pamphlets.
 
2013-07-05 03:22:31 PM
Issa or Cruz?
 
2013-07-05 03:29:42 PM

Satanic_Hamster: vernonFL: I too am perplexed about why this guy decided to vacation in American Samoa.

Yeah.  Them Samoans are a surly bunch.


Official "Dukes of Hazzard" stationary.
 
2013-07-05 03:37:41 PM
Threadjack alert. Neal Boortz is filling in for Hannity. Hannity fans are going to be trolled. He already called Hannity a Yankee and made a joke on Kim Kardashians vagina. The lulz should be good.
 
2013-07-05 03:56:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I hate it when people try to model their real life after a movie.

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


That movie was modeled after real life.  This guy lived in airport for 18 years.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-05 03:57:14 PM

I Ate Shergar: Vlad_the_Inaner: I hate it when people try to model their real life after a movie.

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Believe it or not, that movie was actually inspired by a true story. The real guy had to stay in the airport for eighteen years before someone finally let him in - and that was only because he needed medical attention.


I see someone beat me to it.
 
2013-07-05 04:00:57 PM
It was rough staying in an airport overnight.  I can't imagine being there for 18 years without going utterly insane.

Has he tried Canada?  They seem to be pretty open to refugees.
 
2013-07-05 04:18:18 PM
So, what was he doing in the US in the first place exactly? His situation sucks, but I don't see why he has to be our problem.
 
2013-07-05 04:40:32 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: So, what was he doing in the US in the first place exactly? His situation sucks, but I don't see why he has to be our problem.


He was seeking asylum from the Armenia/Azerbaijan conflict, because neither one accepted him as theirs (he's ethnic Armenian from Azerbaijan; Azerbaijan won't take him because of his ethnicity and Armenia won't take him because he's not from Armenia).
 
2013-07-05 05:01:04 PM
Seriously.  14 - 15 hours minimum each way and you're going for a 4 day vacation?  Something doesn't seem right with his head.

And has been said multiple times in this thread.  If you're immigration status is screwed up you don't even think about going out of the country.  Hell I wouldn't set foot in an airport.  If I can't drive it or Amtrak it, I'm not going.
 
2013-07-05 05:03:25 PM

Soup4Bonnie: ...I took what I thought would be a short vacation to American Samoa.
... my four-day trip turned into a year-long trap.

You travel all the farking way to Somoa for four goddamn days?


Fark that question. You can afford that on a Starbucks salary?
 
2013-07-05 05:11:19 PM

Gunny Walker: Soup4Bonnie: ...I took what I thought would be a short vacation to American Samoa.
... my four-day trip turned into a year-long trap.

You travel all the farking way to Somoa for four goddamn days?

Fark that question. You can afford that on a Starbucks salary?


He did say he was also a travel agent.
 
2013-07-05 05:26:13 PM

vernonFL: I too am perplexed about why this guy decided to vacation in American Samoa.


Because it's a really nice place to vacation?

Cheers

//Was there in 92
//Aggie Greys is awesome
 
2013-07-05 06:12:15 PM
My sympathies for this gentleman are personal. I break no laws, and yet I am in legal limbo just because of who I am.
 
2013-07-05 07:15:44 PM
"Stopping potentially damaging revelations or the dissemination of intelligence to adversaries should take precedence over US prosecution of Mr Snowden ..."

WashPo's editors are calling for his assassination?
 
2013-07-05 07:19:30 PM
Crap, wrong thread!
 
2013-07-05 07:51:22 PM
Still waiting for the usual Fark conservative brigade to say that he made his own bed and should therefore lie in it and he's an illegal immigrant and so must be PUNISHED PUNISHED PUNISHED before being shipped off to the first country that says "Yeah whatever."

They've never failed to disappoint me when it's an eighteen year old who was brought here when he was six months old; "He's breaking the law, BREAKING THE LAW; beat him with sticks and then deport him! He can follow legal channels like everyone else! Illegal! ILLEGAL!"

Shouldn't take long. Remember, it's never the bureaucracy's fault. The government may be an inept, brutal regime of jackbooted thugs, but when it comes to immigration enforcement, they're always right and never make mistakes.

Or maybe they won't say anything this time. This guy's from Armenia; that doesn't strike me as brown enough.

/Please, no smoking around my straw man
 
2013-07-05 10:05:59 PM
peasandcarrots:
Fark conservative brigade

Uh yeah THOSE guys.  So numerous.  In reality, I rarely see "conservative" (neo or otherwise) opinions here except coming from trolls or a few rare idiot shut-ins.  This place is generally quite a left-centrist circle-jerk, and I say that as someone who approves of left-centrism on principle.
 
2013-07-06 06:55:19 AM

TheGreatGazoo: It was rough staying in an airport overnight.  I can't imagine being there for 18 years without going utterly insane.

Has he tried Canada?  They seem to be pretty open to refugees.


Being an employee related to the refugee system, I can say this is kind of not really true at the moment.

He may still have better luck than the US since I'm not familiar with the specific policies that would apply as they relate to his history and heritage, but if Canada denies refugee status he'll be in the same sort of legal limbo.
 
2013-07-06 09:23:14 AM

Niveras: Being an employee related to the refugee system, I can say this is kind of not really true at the moment.


Well, I'm sure you guys don't want the flood of butthurt teabaggers who want to escape Obama's radical socialism.
 
2013-07-06 09:29:13 PM
So they took away your passport
Well I feel for you son:
I got 99 problems
But a CIA black ops team in the air circling Russian airspace on 24 hour alert ain't one.
 
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