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2013-07-05 10:01:21 AM
No one would care, if these displays of patriotism didn't feel so much like celebrations of nationalism.
 
2013-07-05 10:08:15 AM
One day they'll figure out that God Bless America IS NOT A PATRIOTIC SONG.
 
2013-07-05 10:10:57 AM
There's just no pleasing some people.
 
2013-07-05 10:20:43 AM

Kyosuke: One day they'll figure out that God Bless America IS NOT A PATRIOTIC SONG.


God Bless America is a f*cking showtune wríten by Irving Berlin. People who put their hands over their hearts and shut up when it's playing at a ballpark need to be ridiculed thoroughly.
 
2013-07-05 10:28:42 AM
Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.
 
2013-07-05 11:31:50 AM
...and the time to muse about this is not National Patriotism Day. It's like asking why we have to sing Happy Birthday while at a birthday party - you may have an innocuous question/point, but maybe wait for a less pregnant context to do it.

// FWIW, I agree - it's time to stop singing "God Bless America" and return to "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the 7th-inning stretch
// or mash it up with "Take Me out"
// the kids love mashups
 
2013-07-05 11:34:03 AM
Are the Yankees still putting chains across the aisles so you can't go take a piss while they're singing "God Bless America"?
 
2013-07-05 11:39:24 AM

Dr Dreidel: ...and the time to muse about this is not National Patriotism Day.


Well, then, you'll get back to us when you feel we should "muse about it", then, right?

/Oh, of course you won't. 'Cuz you don't want us ever to "muse about it".
 
2013-07-05 11:41:56 AM

Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.


Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.
 
2013-07-05 11:42:45 AM
"WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW I'M FREE!"
 
2013-07-05 11:43:26 AM
I don't care about the flyovers or the big flag on the field for the pre-game national anthem... but I am annoyed that God Bless America is not a staple of the 7th inning stretch.

Not gonna ruin my day though.
 
2013-07-05 11:44:28 AM
Since a primary purpose of organized sports is to foster the militaristic mentality, "mandated displays of patriotism" are pretty much part and parcel.
 
2013-07-05 11:46:07 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.


I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.
 
2013-07-05 11:46:38 AM
I started to find it really odd when I was in my teens and I noticed that many key players and stars of the teams I was watching weren't from the country that was being honoured with the national anthem.

Hell, when the Red Wings were scary talented back in the 90s, they should have been playing the Russian anthem at home games.
 
2013-07-05 11:49:50 AM
Article fails without NASCAR mandatory prayer.
 
2013-07-05 11:49:57 AM

Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.


Interestingly, I was going to argue the opposite: The "mandated displays of patriotism" are a  fan service, they're red meat, something that the  real, red-blooded he-man American sports fan can stand up for  proudly, and be seen actively and loudly supporting in order to feel more patriotic himself, in much the same way certain religious folk insist on praying in public despite biblical admonitions of hypocrisy.

To much the same effect, unfortunately.
 
2013-07-05 11:49:58 AM

Dr Dreidel: ...and the time to muse about this is not National Patriotism Day. It's like asking why we have to sing Happy Birthday while at a birthday party - you may have an innocuous question/point, but maybe wait for a less pregnant context to do it.

// FWIW, I agree - it's time to stop singing "God Bless America" and return to "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the 7th-inning stretch
// or mash it up with "Take Me out"
// the kids love mashups


Where do you go that they don't do take me out to the ball game? Coors field does both but I have never been to a stadium that doesn't do take me out.
 
2013-07-05 11:52:20 AM

theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.


Pair it with God Bless America, jet flyovers, general soldier worship, and it starts to feel a little Best Korea-ish at times.
 
2013-07-05 11:52:55 AM

theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.


This however....
 
2013-07-05 11:53:36 AM

Rincewind53: God Bless America is a f*cking showtune wríten by Irving Berlin. People who put their hands over their hearts and shut up when it's playing at a ballpark need to be ridiculed thoroughly.


The music of the Star Spangled Banner was originally a drinking song.

http://www.colonialmusic.org/Resource/Anacreon.htm

It is interesting to note that the "Star Spangled Banner" did not become our national anthem officially until 1931, one hundred and fifty years after the tune's initial use, yes, as a drinking song.
 
2013-07-05 11:54:07 AM
Can we drink every time we hear a word starting with "jingo"?
 
2013-07-05 11:54:13 AM

rumpelstiltskin: No one would care, if these displays of patriotism didn't feel so much like celebrations of nationalism.


THIS

My wife is French. They celebrate Bastille Day and love their country as much as anyone else, and she's shocked by the way we drape American flags over everything. In most countries, only the extreme right-wing nationalists do that kind of crap. Here, a flag is flying in front of nearly every home and business.

I love my country, but I also have a memory of before 9/11. Back then, if someone slapped an American flagged on every damned thing they owned, we'd question their psychological constitution.
 
2013-07-05 11:55:16 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

This however....


Ahh crap, let's try that again...

www.washingtonguardian.com
 
2013-07-05 11:55:38 AM
I far as I can tell, God doesn't bless America.
 
2013-07-05 11:57:23 AM

Kyosuke: One day they'll figure out that God Bless America IS NOT A PATRIOTIC SONG.


You sure about that? These are the people who drunkenly belt out the chorus to "Born in the USA" every 4th of July.
 
2013-07-05 11:59:06 AM

R.A.Danny: Can we drink every time we hear a word starting with "jingo"?


Absolutely, and forget the pretzels and peanuts, we've got these:

a1.vsoh.com
 
2013-07-05 11:59:18 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

Pair it with God Bless America, jet flyovers, general soldier worship, and it starts to feel a little Best Korea-ish at times.


Meh, I guess we view things differently, I rarely see flyovers at the few games I go to and having a color guard holding the flags in front of the talent singing the national anthem doesn't exactly come across as 'soldier worship'. But yea, God Bless American during the 7th inning stretch is getting pretty damned old.
 
2013-07-05 11:59:47 AM

Kyosuke: R.A.Danny: Can we drink every time we hear a word starting with "jingo"?

Absolutely, and forget the pretzels and peanuts, we've got these:

[a1.vsoh.com image 293x165]


We're gettin farked up today!
 
2013-07-05 12:00:11 PM
I seem to recall reciting the Pledge of Allegiance before the Star Spangled Banner at sporting events back in the day, but I also smoke a lot of weed.

I find the pledge to be far creepier than patriotic songs.
 
2013-07-05 12:00:34 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

Pair it with God Bless America, jet flyovers, general soldier worship, and it starts to feel a little Best Korea-ish at times.


This.
 
2013-07-05 12:00:57 PM
I hate forced patriotism.

Just for fun learn the lyrics for "God Save the Queen" (not the Sex Pistols version) so you can sing it when they start playing "My Country 'tis of Thee", I really messes with people since most "Real Americans" don't know that it's the same music.
 
2013-07-05 12:01:44 PM

theknuckler_33: I don't care about the flyovers or the big flag on the field for the pre-game national anthem... but I am annoyed that God Bless America is not a staple of the 7th inning stretch.

Not gonna ruin my day though.



Meh the 7th inning stretch has not been the same since Harry died.

Lemmme hear ya... a ONE a TWO a THREE......
 
2013-07-05 12:02:31 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

This however....

Ahh crap, let's try that again...

[www.washingtonguardian.com image 616x377]


It is useful to put things into context a little bit, don't you think? That was the all-star game... it tends to be a bit over-the-top in the pageantry.  I'd be pretty annoyed if they announced the entire roster of both teams and had them line up on the first and third base lines for every game too.  You don't see flyovers and field-sized flags for the national anthem at a Cubs-Marlins game on a Tuesday in May. I'm just saying those extravagant displays are the exceptions, not the rule.
 
2013-07-05 12:02:46 PM

Empty Matchbook: Kyosuke: One day they'll figure out that God Bless America IS NOT A PATRIOTIC SONG.

You sure about that? These are the people who drunkenly belt out the chorus to "Born in the USA" every 4th of July.


Oh, and here's a big "thank you" to the drunken farkhead that belted out the National Anthem during last night's fireworks display.  It's supposed to be sung with respect, not strangled out to show you're more patrioticer than everyone else.

While history has certainly be whitewashed, I do take pride in my country for being the "great experiment", and for the political writings and philosophy of it's founding fathers (whether unsung or not).  Why the fark did "patriotism" have to get taken over by the ignorant mouth breathers?

/For the same reason everything else does; they're the lowest common denominator.
 
2013-07-05 12:03:41 PM

IlGreven: Dr Dreidel: ...and the time to muse about this is not National Patriotism Day.

Well, then, you'll get back to us when you feel we should "muse about it", then, right?

/Oh, of course you won't. 'Cuz you don't want us ever to "muse about it".


How about any time that's not July 3-5? Hell, the All-Star break is next week, and there's a real lack of sports stories (no NFL, NBA or NHL, and it's not like anyone's going for soccer) - write one then. Here, I'll start: "I've had a week to consider the point, but..."

// Patriots' Day is 11SEP
// do you really think I'm one of the Jingo Unchained crowd? Have you never read me here before?
 
2013-07-05 12:03:58 PM

Saiga410: theknuckler_33: I don't care about the flyovers or the big flag on the field for the pre-game national anthem... but I am annoyed that God Bless America is not a staple of the 7th inning stretch.

Not gonna ruin my day though.


Meh the 7th inning stretch has not been the same since Harry died.

Lemmme hear ya... a ONE a TWO a THREE......


I know exactly who you are referring to, but you couldn't help me think of MY "Harry"

www.thefightins.com
 
2013-07-05 12:04:41 PM

theknuckler_33: Philip Francis Queeg: Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

This however....

Ahh crap, let's try that again...

[www.washingtonguardian.com image 616x377]

It is useful to put things into context a little bit, don't you think? That was the all-star game... it tends to be a bit over-the-top in the pageantry.  I'd be pretty annoyed if they announced the entire roster of both teams and had them line up on the first and third base lines for every game too.  You don't see flyovers and field-sized flags for the national anthem at a Cubs-Marlins game on a Tuesday in May. I'm just saying those extravagant displays are the exceptions, not the rule.


And the pageantry needs to be nationalist and militaristic for what reason? There are tons of ways that they could have pageantry without turning it into the May Day parade.
 
2013-07-05 12:05:32 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

This however....

Ahh crap, let's try that again...

[www.washingtonguardian.com image 616x377]


Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in having the Royals, of all teams, organizing this display on the day we celebrate our country's renunciation of monarchy?
 
2013-07-05 12:07:25 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.


I was disappointed that a wounded veteran of all people was so unpatriotic. He was lucky they helped him with his wheelchair as he was getting kicked out.
 
2013-07-05 12:08:22 PM

Kyosuke: One day they'll figure out that God Bless America IS NOT A PATRIOTIC SONG.


Ask the postman,
Ask the mailman,
Ask the milkman,
White with foam.
Ask the cop on the corner,
Ask the cop on the rooftop,
Ask the cop in the woodpile,
Ask the cop that's knock-knock-knockin' at your back door.

Mr. Policeman, what make's America great?
 
2013-07-05 12:08:57 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: And the pageantry needs to be nationalist and militaristic for what reason? There are tons of ways that they could have pageantry without turning it into the May Day parade.


When I go to a game it does remind me that were it not for the men and women who have fought to achieve and maintain our freedom I wouldn't have the luxury of paying $40 a seat to eat a $6 hot dog, drink a $7.50 beer and watch grown men get paid millions of dollars to play a game.

I know that sounds sarcastic, but it isn't. I have it pretty good, and while I know we have made some fantastic military blunders in our history that fact does not diminish the respect those who choose to serve deserve.
 
2013-07-05 12:09:24 PM
Haven't team sports always been a proxy for battle, and have nationalism (or its local version) pretty much baked into their DNA?
 
2013-07-05 12:10:18 PM
GBA needs to go from the 7th inning stretch.  The first game of the second season after 9/11 it should have been retired.
 
2013-07-05 12:10:37 PM
So I loaded up the comments on that page, expecting to see an explosion of epic proportions, seeing as it's ESPN, but it was nearly universally reasonable.
 
2013-07-05 12:12:01 PM

theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.


Just as long as you remember that the last two words of the song are not "the brave" but "Play Ball."
 
2013-07-05 12:14:01 PM

CptnSpldng: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

Just as long as you remember that the last two words of the song are not "the brave" but "Play Ball."


CSB:

At the festival/fireworks display we attended this year they had skydivers one of which was trailing a flag while they played the national anthem. At it's conclusion I yelled "Play Ball!" and got some laughs.
 
2013-07-05 12:14:59 PM
I don't get subby's premise about the "soon-to-be-ex-ESPN writer."  They have editors.  If they didn't want this on their website, it wouldn't be on their website.
 
2013-07-05 12:15:05 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Aarontology: Nobody actually cares about the displays of nationalism. The fans, the players, the refs, the announcers, the people watching at home?

All just waiting for it to be over so the game can start.

Somebody seems to want an organized, jingoistic display at every sporting event, else we wouldn't have to sit through it. I seem to remember some guy getting ejected from a ballpark because he wouldn't stand during the national anthem.

I hardly think playing/singing the national anthem before a sporting event can accurately be described as 'jingoistic'.

Pair it with God Bless America, jet flyovers, general soldier worship, and it starts to feel a little Best Korea-ish at times.


Let's not forget demanding the children reciting a daily loyalty oath.
 
2013-07-05 12:16:19 PM

Polyhazard: Haven't team sports always been a proxy for battle, and have nationalism (or its local version) pretty much baked into their DNA?


Do any major European domestic soccer leagues use the national anthem during league play?

I watch a lot of EPL and La Liga but I don't remember seeing any.  For international games (World Cup, Champions League), I think they always do, however.
 
2013-07-05 12:17:40 PM
This has become one of the whiniest threads ever. When did Morrissey join Fark?
 
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