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(NPR)   Imagine if Downtown Manhattan was its own city, with its own police force, the bankers who commute there for work get to vote, and its congressman gets to sit next to the Speaker in the House. That's what happens in London   (npr.org ) divider line
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2013-07-05 08:54:40 AM  
Not a perfect analogy but I imagine residents of upstate New York have a similar view of New York City
 
2013-07-05 09:50:56 AM  
The City always represented merchants and bankers, and was traditionally a huge check on the feudal power of the aristocracy.  They also really hated royal interference, and were too rich to easily control.
 
2013-07-05 10:09:49 AM  
That sounds like a pretty convoluted system. Can't the British bankers just buy parliament, like New York bankers buy congress?
 
2013-07-05 10:11:22 AM  
Just one congressman? There's no way Wall St. would settle for that little influence.
 
2013-07-05 10:12:16 AM  
And that, boys and girls, is why their capital gains tax rate is 0%. And insider trading is completely legal.
 
2013-07-05 10:12:27 AM  
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D LrObZ_HZZUc
 
2013-07-05 10:13:25 AM  
Blimey!
 
2013-07-05 10:14:17 AM  
 
2013-07-05 10:16:50 AM  
Downton Abbey is the historic fictional equivalent of the Desperate Housewives reality show. A bunch of assholes with too much money sit around a table, get drunk, and rag on each other.
 
2013-07-05 10:16:57 AM  
Blame William the Conqueror for being too big of a pussy to attack the East Enders.
 
2013-07-05 10:21:35 AM  
When your city was settled by Romans and even William the Conqueror couldn't breech your walls, you may deserve some special privlidges.
 
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2013-07-05 10:24:02 AM  
I have an even better idea than turning Bloombergville into a city-state: "They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea."
 
2013-07-05 10:49:48 AM  
The financial district in New York already owns most of Congress. Having just one representative in Congress would be a huge step down in their power and influence.
 
2013-07-05 10:52:19 AM  

nelsonal: When your city was settled by Romans


I thought London was much older than that?

*googles London history*

Oh hey!!   I was wrong:
"The Romans are the real fathers of London, despite there being a settlement of some form or another along the Thames for several thousand of years before their arrival. Amazingly, the Roman wall built around the settlement of Londinium still more or less demarcates the City from neighbouring municipal authorities today.
The Romans first visited in the 1st century BC, traded with the Celts and had a browse around. In AD 43 they returned with an army led by Emperor Claudius and decided to stay, establishing the port of Londinium."
Read more: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/england/london/history#ixzz2YBOqHyac
 
2013-07-05 10:53:48 AM  
But Wait There's More: Not a perfect analogy but I imagine residents of upstate New York and Long Island have a similar view of New York City

/ftfy
 
2013-07-05 10:56:36 AM  
Sounds much more efficient than having to buy off 51% of Congress.
 
2013-07-05 11:02:45 AM  
Posted this yesterday in a similar thread.

In January 2008, City Council member Vallone again offered a bill for the secession of New York City from New York state. After Mayor Michael Bloomberg testified to New York state legislators that New York City gives the state $11 billion more than it gets back, Vallone stated: "If not secession, somebody please tell me what other options we have if the state is going to continue to take billions from us and give us back pennies. Should we raise taxes some more? Should we cut services some more? Or should we consider seriously going out on our own?" The New York City council planned to hold a meeting on the
topic.

Also, the rest of the state, largely republican, has a secession movement of its own.

So the upstaters, recipients of $11 billion a year from NYC also want to secede.  As far as Long Island, Queens and Brooklyn become part of the new state. Guess Nassau and Suffolk will get to choose.
 
2013-07-05 11:02:47 AM  
As opposed to the U.S. where all the only important votes are bankers?
 
2013-07-05 11:24:10 AM  
Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...
 
2013-07-05 11:27:41 AM  

feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...


NYC is a net contributor to the Federal Government.
 
2013-07-05 11:32:41 AM  
 "Geez, I'm used to dealing with mobsters, bootleggers, and gunzles, but you bankers... are scary."   --  Angelo "Snaps" Provolone (as protrayed by Sylvester Stallone)
 
2013-07-05 11:35:48 AM  
gunzle = gunsel
I should have editted rather than just copy pasta'd. (but the Urban Dictionary entry for 'gunzle' is pretty funny)
 
2013-07-05 11:46:35 AM  
Let me guess.  Bloomberg will be the appointed heir to this position.

I am convinced the dumbest, most frightened people live in NYC.  Bloomberg and his numerous laws are my main argument. How willingly they bent over and took the Hilary carpetbagger cock is another.
 
2013-07-05 11:48:18 AM  

I) these elections aren't the national elections, they're the city election

ii) the Remembrancer has no power in Parliament - his role is basically as a snazzily dressed lobbyist. It's weird, but that's what history does

iii) The Lord Mayor of London has basically no actual power. He gets to hold parties. The actual Mayor does have power.

 
2013-07-05 11:51:02 AM  

OscarTamerz: And that, boys and girls, is why their capital gains tax rate is 0%. And insider trading is completely legal.


It's actually 18 or 28% depending on the amount, and insider trading is highly illegal. But apart from that your post was spot on.
 
2013-07-05 11:53:11 AM  

gwowen: The Lord Mayor of London has basically no actual power.


Well, at least one power. The king or queen cannot enter the City without the Lord Mayor's permission. Being able to tell the sovereign to bugger off is something.
 
2013-07-05 11:54:36 AM  
Old news is (over 800 years) old.  The Magna Carta was signed in the thirteenth century, and it specifically affirms the ancient rights of the City of London.

13. Et civitas London. habeat omnes antiquas libertates et liberas consuetudines suas, tam per terras, quam per aquas...

13. And the city of London shall have all its ancient liberties and free customs, as well by land as by water...
 
2013-07-05 11:59:53 AM  
Question: My first stay in London (mid 90's) was in the City. Stayed at the Great Eastern or (Western, not sure what the name was). When I checked in, the hotel took my passport for safe keeping. On subsequent trips, I stayed outside the City and no one took my passport. City thing? Hotel thing? Something about the time?
 
2013-07-05 12:12:36 PM  

feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...


Ok, Snake...
 
2013-07-05 12:39:37 PM  
Flint Ironstag:  OscarTamerz:   And that, boys and girls, is why their capital gains tax rate is 0%. And insider trading is completely legal.

It's actually 18 or 28% depending on the amount, and insider trading is highly illegal. But apart from that your post was spot on.



The original statement seems to be sarcasm as no one could actually with a straight face make such an incorrect statement about cap gains and insider trading.
 
2013-07-05 12:55:12 PM  

feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...


So we get to keep all our money then instead of having it prop up the rest of the state and the rest of the country? Where do i sign???
 
2013-07-05 01:05:27 PM  
One square mile of separate sovereignty in the middle of another sovereignty. - The City
109 acres of separate sovereignty in the middle of another sovereignty. - Vatican City
68.3 sq miles of separate sovereignty in the middle of another sovereignty. - Washington DC

The City - Money
Vatican City - Religion
Washington DC - Power

Why, there may be a pattern ...
 
2013-07-05 01:45:58 PM  

feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...


posts like this make me wish that there was a "dumb" button.

/upstate NYer

//thanks NYC for keeping us from being like kentucky.
 
2013-07-05 02:00:54 PM  

xxcorydxx: feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...

posts like this make me wish that there was a "dumb" button.


I kind of wish there was a Snake Plissken button instead.
 
2013-07-05 02:45:48 PM  

LemSkroob: feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...

So we get to keep all our money then instead of having it prop up the rest of the state and the rest of the country? Where do i sign???


Better yet, take Detroit and Chicago with you.

/hehehe
 
2013-07-05 03:22:05 PM  

xxcorydxx: feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...

posts like this make me wish that there was a "dumb" button.

/upstate NYer

//thanks NYC for keeping us from being like kentucky.


I think you missed the last sentence. But hey!
 
2013-07-05 03:37:57 PM  

feanorn: xxcorydxx: feanorn: Let New York leave NY state, and become their own self-governed enclave. But no congressmen, no senators, no federal $$$ whatsoever; it must not be made into another state (or soon LA, Chicago, & a few others would follow). We could even build a wall around it and use it for convicts from other states...

posts like this make me wish that there was a "dumb" button.

/upstate NYer

//thanks NYC for keeping us from being like kentucky.

I think you missed the last sentence. But hey!



no, I read the whole thing, either your post doesn't say what you think it does or you're one of those dumb, city hating hayseeds.
 
2013-07-05 06:57:48 PM  

simplicimus: Question: My first stay in London (mid 90's) was in the City. Stayed at the Great Eastern or (Western, not sure what the name was). When I checked in, the hotel took my passport for safe keeping. On subsequent trips, I stayed outside the City and no one took my passport. City thing? Hotel thing? Something about the time?


They were probably registering you with the local police -- this used to happen in most, if not all European countries. Most today just make a photocopy and give it back right away, but on a trip to Italy a few years ago, my hotel in Rome took it when I checked in, in the morning and gave it back at night (hotels in other Italian cities just photocopied it).
 
2013-07-05 07:23:51 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Flint Ironstag:  OscarTamerz:   And that, boys and girls, is why their capital gains tax rate is 0%. And insider trading is completely legal.

It's actually 18 or 28% depending on the amount, and insider trading is highly illegal. But apart from that your post was spot on.


The original statement seems to be sarcasm as no one could actually with a straight face make such an incorrect statement about cap gains and insider trading.


That did occur to me, but I'm sure some people would believe it. So many people believe the myth that the UK has CCTV on every street corner for example, whereas in fact it's probably about the same as the US percentage wise. Look at how many CCTV camera's caught the Boston bombers or the Times Square bomber.
 
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