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2013-07-05 08:51:25 AM
I'm in Montreal and I'm a little underwhelmed by the Briere acquisition .  He seems to have lost a few steps over the years.

Flyers fans know more though.  Any thoughts?
 
2013-07-05 08:52:10 AM
Well the Leafs already surprised me yesterday with the Grabo buy-out, but Nonis has a lot of work to do today... Sounds like hometown boy Clarkson is on his shopping list, and there has been rumours of Skuderi too, but he's a little older than what I was lead to believe the Leafs were trying to be.
Also Bozac, or maybe Weiss.  And a flock of RFA's... busy day in Leaf land!
 
2013-07-05 08:57:11 AM

jakomo002: I'm in Montreal and I'm a little underwhelmed by the Briere acquisition .  He seems to have lost a few steps over the years.

Flyers fans know more though.  Any thoughts?


He is a bit slower, but still productive, I expect he'll play a bit bigger playing on the home side this year.
 
2013-07-05 08:59:48 AM
The Flyers set a lot of money on fire for Giroux.
 
2013-07-05 09:00:05 AM
We'll miss you Vinny!
 
2013-07-05 09:02:09 AM

jakomo002: I'm in Montreal and I'm a little underwhelmed by the Briere acquisition .  He seems to have lost a few steps over the years.

Flyers fans know more though.  Any thoughts?


Last year he didn't seem to have the quickness to go wide and get to loose pucks, so everytime down the ice he'd pull up at the half boards and get stuffed.

His strength was always behind the net, but he couldn't beat the D to the puck to get position anymore.

Maybe a bad year with the lockout, maybe washed up.

I wish we could have kept him because he may be one of the nicest guys in sports.
 
2013-07-05 09:04:50 AM
Let me just add, the Flyers won't be as fun without the Danny Briere upper cut
 
2013-07-05 09:09:14 AM

MugzyBrown: I wish we could have kept him because he may be one of the nicest guys in sports.


The rabid Montreal hockey media will probably ruin that pretty quick, unfortunately.  A few scoreless games and they'll be comparing him to Scott Gomez.

Which is why Lecavalier will stay away

sno man: He is a bit slower, but still productive, I expect he'll play a bit bigger playing on the home side this year.


Thanks!  Figured that from poor stats in the lockout season, but since I don't get to watch too many Flyers games, you never know if his entire line stunk...  I guess we can use him on the PP.
 
2013-07-05 09:14:38 AM

sno man: Well the Leafs already surprised me yesterday with the Grabo buy-out, but Nonis has a lot of work to do today... Sounds like hometown boy Clarkson is on his shopping list, and there has been rumours of Skuderi too, but he's a little older than what I was lead to believe the Leafs were trying to be.
Also Bozac, or maybe Weiss.  And a flock of RFA's... busy day in Leaf land!


I'm hearing a lot of grumblings about Weiss going to the Wings.
 
2013-07-05 09:19:32 AM
Part of me wants the Wings to buy out Franzen but the other part remembers he is usually good for 25 goals/season and 4M is a fair price for a 25 goal/year player.
 
2013-07-05 09:20:11 AM
Brier will be better in Montreal than he was in Philly last year as long as he stays healthy. I don't think any knowledgeable fan would expect him to light it up though. If he gets 20+ goals and 50+ points, that great.

Also, you won't see a lot of action today with signings. Today is the 1st day teams are allowed to talk to UFAs. So players and agents will spend today gathering offers.

The reason there was so much talk and action already is that bought-out players were allowed early communication. Regular UFA had to wait for today.
 
2013-07-05 09:20:26 AM

sno man: Well the Leafs already surprised me yesterday with the Grabo buy-out, but Nonis has a lot of work to do today... Sounds like hometown boy Clarkson is on his shopping list, and there has been rumours of Skuderi too, but he's a little older than what I was lead to believe the Leafs were trying to be.
Also Bozac, or maybe Weiss.  And a flock of RFA's... busy day in Leaf land!


Bozak needs to fire his agent.  I have no problem having him as the top center until someone better gets drafted/traded for/signed but an 8 year deal?  Reminds me of the Yuskevich debacle in '02, he's a great fit for the team, the players love him and the fans appreciate his work but nobody is going to give that kind of term to a utility player.

As for Grabovski, I know a lot of people are askig why Nonis didn't move him to Dallas but you need to look at the cap hit.  Horcoff is on the books for two more years at 4/3 million, Grabo has four years at 5.5.   Also to those complaining about Carlyles treatment of him let's be clear, Grabovski played his way onto the 4th line just like Kadri played his way onto the 2nd.  I'm sure he'll land somewhere though, guy has talent and a whole lot of guts.
 
2013-07-05 09:21:20 AM

PowerSlacker: The Flyers set a lot of money on fire for Giroux.


I like Giroux, he at times can play to the level of an NHL MVP, but he doesn't do it consistently enough to warrant that kind of cap hit.
 
2013-07-05 09:21:55 AM
For once I'm really hoping the Sabres do nothing.

They're not close to contention. They need another tank year, in which to get all their young players and prospects a chance to develop, and then get more high draft picks next summer.

Signing a FA will only take away a roster spot from a homegrown prospect who needs the playing time.
 
2013-07-05 09:22:26 AM
If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.
 
2013-07-05 09:25:32 AM

Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.


I really can't believe it's taking this long to get it done.  If Murray doesn't stop playing "Smartest Guy in the Room" Alfredsson could be gone and Clarkson will be putting on another teams sweater.
 
2013-07-05 09:25:43 AM

JohnnyCanuck: Brier will be better in Montreal than he was in Philly last year as long as he stays healthy. I don't think any knowledgeable fan would expect him to light it up though. If he gets 20+ goals and 50+ points, that great.


He's probably my favorite Flyer since Brian Propp, but I think $4m per year is way too much for him at this point.

Are you still going to boo him everytime he touches the puck?
 
2013-07-05 09:29:20 AM

fatalvenom: sno man: Well the Leafs already surprised me yesterday with the Grabo buy-out, but Nonis has a lot of work to do today... Sounds like hometown boy Clarkson is on his shopping list, and there has been rumours of Skuderi too, but he's a little older than what I was lead to believe the Leafs were trying to be.
Also Bozac, or maybe Weiss.  And a flock of RFA's... busy day in Leaf land!

I'm hearing a lot of grumblings about Weiss going to the Wings.


Apparently they have been kicking the tires on Bozak too.
 
2013-07-05 09:33:03 AM

MugzyBrown: Are you still going to boo him everytime he touches the puck?


The Frenchmen used to boo him because he chose to play for an American team a few years back instead of the godawful Habs.

So yeah, probably.  Though I imagine RDS will be interviewing him every day.
 
2013-07-05 09:33:22 AM

MugzyBrown: He's probably my favorite Flyer since Brian Propp, but I think $4m per year is way too much for him at this point.


At 2 years I don't think its bad. Would be better at 1 year, which Brier said he was willing to sign, but 2 is fine. He'll be expected to play 15-18 minutes. 4 mill not bad.

But yes...he will be boo'd at times. (not by me) But he will also be cheered other times. His job is to make sure he is cheered more than he is jeered. Such is life in Montreal hockey.
 
2013-07-05 09:33:31 AM

Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.


There has been some talk about Detroit there too, get half the Swedish national team together there...
 
2013-07-05 09:34:14 AM
Boston fan here, somebody please take away Chia's ether.
 
2013-07-05 09:38:11 AM

Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.


I'm thinking the Bruins might have something up their sleeve with the ditching of Seguin.

At least I'm hoping so.
 
2013-07-05 09:38:20 AM

JohnnyCanuck: His job is to make sure he is cheered more than he is jeered. Such is life in Montreal hockey.


Other than PK, it would appear.

I guess it's been so long since we had anything approaching a Norris winner.
 
2013-07-05 09:41:44 AM
BTW jawdropping PK video I saw a while ago.

Don't need to be a Subban fan to enjoy it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYzUR2TNhk

Pretty incredible
 
2013-07-05 09:43:13 AM

fatalvenom: Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.

I'm thinking the Bruins might have something up their sleeve with the ditching of Seguin.

At least I'm hoping so.


Well they did get Eriksson ...until Seguin grows up a bit I'd call that a win for the B's
 
2013-07-05 09:46:42 AM

sno man: fatalvenom: Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.

I'm thinking the Bruins might have something up their sleeve with the ditching of Seguin.

At least I'm hoping so.

Well they did get Eriksson ...until Seguin grows up a bit I'd call that a win for the B's


I still think there is more coming down the pike.
 
2013-07-05 10:00:58 AM

Flappyhead: Primitive Screwhead: If Ottawa screws the pooch with Alfredsson, I hope the Bruins pick him up to complete our Swedish Trinity.

I really can't believe it's taking this long to get it done.  If Murray doesn't stop playing "Smartest Guy in the Room" Alfredsson could be gone and Clarkson will be putting on another teams sweater.


Alfredsson has to choose between loyalty and a realistic chance at the Cup.
 
2013-07-05 10:04:59 AM

Resolute: Alfredsson has to choose between loyalty and a realistic chance at the Cup.


Why do fans expect 'loyalty' from players?
 
2013-07-05 10:13:10 AM
Hoping to pick up Horton here in Columbus. The Jackets are looking to add one more top line forward and I think that's about all they can afford. Horton was in Columbus on Wednesday and the visit was apparently well received. If he's looking for more peace and quiet, Columbus is the place to be.
 
2013-07-05 10:18:48 AM

MugzyBrown: Resolute: Alfredsson has to choose between loyalty and a realistic chance at the Cup.

Why do fans expect 'loyalty' from players?


Many of the players that have only ever played with one team (or mostly) regret not retiring with that team after they do hang up the skates.  I'd be surprised if Sundin hadn't given Alfie a call about that.  But Murry banking on Alfie coming back for nothing or next to nothing after the last year of one of those long back diving contracts is very bad form.  They should have given him an extra year at the beginning of this year, for the $4.5M cap hit he had been costing them.
 
2013-07-05 10:27:28 AM
Lots of talk about Clowe to the Devils. Would be mostly okay with this, especially since Clarkson is good as gone.
 
2013-07-05 10:31:51 AM

Flappyhead: sno man: Well the Leafs already surprised me yesterday with the Grabo buy-out, but Nonis has a lot of work to do today... Sounds like hometown boy Clarkson is on his shopping list, and there has been rumours of Skuderi too, but he's a little older than what I was lead to believe the Leafs were trying to be.
Also Bozac, or maybe Weiss.  And a flock of RFA's... busy day in Leaf land!

Bozak needs to fire his agent.  I have no problem having him as the top center until someone better gets drafted/traded for/signed but an 8 year deal?  Reminds me of the Yuskevich debacle in '02, he's a great fit for the team, the players love him and the fans appreciate his work but nobody is going to give that kind of term to a utility player.

As for Grabovski, I know a lot of people are askig why Nonis didn't move him to Dallas but you need to look at the cap hit.  Horcoff is on the books for two more years at 4/3 million, Grabo has four years at 5.5.   Also to those complaining about Carlyles treatment of him let's be clear, Grabovski played his way onto the 4th line just like Kadri played his way onto the 2nd.  I'm sure he'll land somewhere though, guy has talent and a whole lot of guts.


To be fair, Carlyle has a habit of poo-pooing players for reasons only know to him as well and isn't the greatest communicator at times. A lack of real practice time didn't help a few other Leafs either. Grabovski was not himself this season, that was evident, just hope he lands in the Western conference. Don't want to play against a pissed off Grabo too often.
 
2013-07-05 10:41:33 AM
Filppula to the Hawks. Just what they need...
 
2013-07-05 10:42:44 AM

Muta: Part of me wants the Wings to buy out Franzen but the other part remembers he is usually good for 25 goals/season and 4M is a fair price for a 25 goal/year player.


Is it just me, or does he seem to play lazy the last 2 years?  I know his role is to be in front of the next, but he has size and speed but barely uses it anymore (fighting for the puck in corners, being a big hit presence, etc). I am probably way off because I don't get to see too many Wings games anymore.

Filppula just played scared most of the season, of getting nailed.  Teams are closing up the middle of the ice now and he has no where to go, but on his butt..
 
2013-07-05 10:45:37 AM
Darren Dreger reporting that Alfie is likely to land in Detroit.  Also that the Leafs and Scuderi are close to something too.
 
2013-07-05 10:56:36 AM
MY take on the Flyers

Lecavalier- Not a bad signing. More production at a cheaper price than Briere. Still only 33 so the contract won't totally weigh us down in the later years. I have always had one of those nagging little things though that I don't like about him. Maybe it just stems from the TB thing.

Briere- I am gonna miss him, but he has lost a bit and he is not worth the cap hit we would have had to take. Hopefully Montreal can use him well and treat him ok. I am not hoping for the latter all that much.

Giroux I like the signing and it was a good one. We had to because we already got rid of all the favorites around here, to watch them go on to win cups and trophies. I was worried about signing Vinnie because where is all the money coming from to sign the other guys? Again I have not problem with this.

Fallout.
No goalie. If you give it to Mason, no backup and if you have no faith in Mason you REALLY don't have the money for a starter unless we go full on basketcase with THomas or Emery who could come cheap.

Coburn is a goner and I think that is another mistake.
 
2013-07-05 10:58:54 AM
Giddy with anticipation to see who the Sharks sign to get them booted in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

/sigh
 
2013-07-05 11:00:51 AM

Piizzadude: Coburn is a goner and I think that is another mistake.


You cannot get a more generic defenseman than Coburn.  He has a hard slap shot that always misses the net, he's a fast skater in a straight line but as not agility.  He's big but rarely hits.  He's not worth anywhere near $4.5mm per year
 
2013-07-05 11:01:14 AM

sno man: Darren Dreger reporting that Alfie is likely to land in Detroit.  Also that the Leafs and Scuderi are close to something too.


Does Alfie have anything left in the tank, or is this another Mike Modano (who I was really looking forward to see play), Mike Commadore , Derian Hatcher end of career situation?
 
2013-07-05 11:02:13 AM

Flappyhead: Grabovski played his way onto the 4th line


Excellent way to put it.  I have no problem with him as a player, but you can't have a guy play like him and earn $5.5m

Alfie to Detroit - happy that he'll have a better chance at the cup, but he'll regret not retiring as a Senator.
 
2013-07-05 11:06:26 AM

UKCoolCat: Does Alfie have anything left in the tank, or is this another Mike Modano (who I was really looking forward to see play), Mike Commadore , Derian Hatcher end of career situation?


He's been remarkably more productive than most other top-line guys his age.  He's not a 1 PPG guy anymore, but he's still got serious heart and helps other guys get into the right position.  The biggest question mark is whether or not he can go another season without breaking himself in two again.  Dude plays through injuries that he really, really shouldn't.
 
2013-07-05 11:07:29 AM

Piizzadude: MY take on the Flyers

Lecavalier- Not a bad signing. More production at a cheaper price than Briere. Still only 33 so the contract won't totally weigh us down in the later years. I have always had one of those nagging little things though that I don't like about him. Maybe it just stems from the TB thing.

Briere- I am gonna miss him, but he has lost a bit and he is not worth the cap hit we would have had to take. Hopefully Montreal can use him well and treat him ok. I am not hoping for the latter all that much.

Giroux I like the signing and it was a good one. We had to because we already got rid of all the favorites around here, to watch them go on to win cups and trophies. I was worried about signing Vinnie because where is all the money coming from to sign the other guys? Again I have not problem with this.

Fallout.
No goalie. If you give it to Mason, no backup and if you have no faith in Mason you REALLY don't have the money for a starter unless we go full on basketcase with THomas or Emery who could come cheap.

Coburn is a goner and I think that is another mistake.


I think he'd be a fine choice, he's grown up a lot since Ottawa.  And probably like to play a bit more than he does in Chicago.

I had forgotten but he's already played in Philly, for about 3 months in '09.  Might have some unfinished business there too.
 
2013-07-05 11:08:14 AM
By the way, I think Letang's contract is awful.  They have over 1/3 of their cap locked into 3 players forever.
 
2013-07-05 11:11:07 AM

MugzyBrown: By the way, I think Letang's contract is awful.  They have over 1/3 of their cap locked into 3 players forever.


It's not a bad contract at all.  It's under market value, making it tradeable if need be, and the cap is going up anyway.  In a couple years it will look like a steal.
 
2013-07-05 11:12:40 AM
UKCoolCat:

To be fair, Carlyle has a habit of poo-pooing players for reasons only know to him as well and isn't the greatest communicator at times. A lack of real practice time didn't help a few other Leafs either. Grabovski was not himself this season, that was evident, just hope he lands in the Western conference. Don't want to play against a pissed off Grabo too often.

All true.  I am going to miss him but there simply wasn't a real place on the team for him anymore at his price.
 
2013-07-05 11:12:55 AM

UKCoolCat: Muta: Part of me wants the Wings to buy out Franzen but the other part remembers he is usually good for 25 goals/season and 4M is a fair price for a 25 goal/year player.

Is it just me, or does he seem to play lazy the last 2 years?  I know his role is to be in front of the next, but he has size and speed but barely uses it anymore (fighting for the puck in corners, being a big hit presence, etc). I am probably way off because I don't get to see too many Wings games anymore.

Filppula just played scared most of the season, of getting nailed.  Teams are closing up the middle of the ice now and he has no where to go, but on his butt..


Franzen usually plays better in the playoffs, and I think that held true this year, too. His main weakness is giving up the puck along the boards.

..as for Filppula, he's a skill player, but honestly, the way he plays doesn't add much value. I cringe every time he dumps a puck in, because it NEVER works. He's far better when he skates it in, but he rarely decides to do that, even though there is no line change going on. It may be that he's playing scared, but he can out maneuver as well as anybody but Datsyuk or Helm.

...and speaking for Helm, I hope he can return next year (that his back injury isn't career-ending). The Red Wings sorely missed his speed on those dump-ins and his ability to kill penalties. That guy is incredibly underrated around the league, the opposite of Smith, who is overrated by everybody outside of Detroit (and worthy trade-bait)
 
2013-07-05 11:14:31 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: UKCoolCat: Does Alfie have anything left in the tank, or is this another Mike Modano (who I was really looking forward to see play), Mike Commadore , Derian Hatcher end of career situation?

He's been remarkably more productive than most other top-line guys his age.  He's not a 1 PPG guy anymore, but he's still got serious heart and helps other guys get into the right position.  The biggest question mark is whether or not he can go another season without breaking himself in two again.  Dude plays through injuries that he really, really shouldn't.


Yep.  Much as I hate the guy he's an outstanding player.  A full year with Zetterberg and I can easily see him netting 20-25 goals and upwards of 60 points.
 
2013-07-05 11:16:48 AM

MugzyBrown: PowerSlacker: The Flyers set a lot of money on fire for Giroux.

I like Giroux, he at times can play to the level of an NHL MVP, but he doesn't do it consistently enough to warrant that kind of cap hit.


The Flyers never learn, and they can't help themselves. Give long-term, expensve contracts to Carter and Richards, immediately trade them away. (They then win the cup with the Kings.) Give a horrendous (money and time) contract to Bryz, trade away Bobrovsky (who then wins the Vezina), then amnesty Bryz to save money. Take money saved from Bryz and Briere, spend a boatload of money for 4 years on an aging defenseman, and then give long-term, expensive contract to Giroux. I now fully expect Giroux to be traded away by Jan, replaced with a bunch of slow, plodding, "grinders".

And this is not counting the "Dammit, Pronger!" contract.
 
2013-07-05 11:19:53 AM
DD now seems to think Scuderi back to the Pens is more likely.
 
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