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(Opposing Views)   Joshua Garcia, 8, survived a car crash into a river, swam ashore, walked a mile barefoot to his home, woke up his mother and had her call 911 to save his injured father. As a reward, Joshua was taken away from his parents by a state agency   (opposingviews.com) divider line 120
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2013-07-05 04:42:34 AM  
What the heck is wrong with country anymore, there is no mention of any thing illegal so they can just take the kid cause they feel like it?
 
2013-07-05 07:35:09 AM  

TAOCHOW: What the heck is wrong with country anymore, there is no mention of any thing illegal so they can just take the kid cause they feel like it?


Hey, it says right there in TFA that dad might have been speeding. And if that's good enough for the eminently capabale and honest authorities of Massachusetts, who have always frowned on such driving behavior, it's good enough for me and it should be good enough for you, unless you're some kind of libertarian nutcase who should maybe live in Somalia.
 
2013-07-05 07:47:17 AM  
I think authorities became suspicious after learning the boy's middle name was Kopechne.
 
2013-07-05 08:03:14 AM  

Gulper Eel: TAOCHOW: What the heck is wrong with country anymore, there is no mention of any thing illegal so they can just take the kid cause they feel like it?

Hey, it says right there in TFA that dad might have been speeding. And if that's good enough for the eminently capabale and honest authorities of Massachusetts, who have always frowned on such driving behavior, it's good enough for me and it should be good enough for you, unless you're some kind of libertarian nutcase who should maybe live in Somalia.


Yes. Please.
 
2013-07-05 08:14:55 AM  
What in the coonting fark?
 
2013-07-05 08:18:29 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: I think authorities became suspicious after learning the boy's middle name was Kopechne.


Whar funny button WHAR?
 
2013-07-05 08:20:18 AM  

Gulper Eel: TAOCHOW: What the heck is wrong with country anymore, there is no mention of any thing illegal so they can just take the kid cause they feel like it?

Hey, it says right there in TFA that dad might have been speeding. And if that's good enough for the eminently capabale and honest authorities of Massachusetts, who have always frowned on such driving behavior, it's good enough for me and it should be good enough for you, unless you're some kind of libertarian nutcase who should maybe live in Somalia.


You forgot that the family is of the non-white persuasion.  In that part of the state that's a crime unto itself sometimes.
 
2013-07-05 08:26:36 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I_Am_Weasel: I think authorities became suspicious after learning the boy's middle name was Kopechne.

Whar funny button WHAR?


Once the thread hits the main page it will show. Then you may click it to your heart's desire!
 
2013-07-05 08:40:48 AM  
From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?
 
2013-07-05 08:59:43 AM  
Future navy seal.
 
2013-07-05 09:01:55 AM  

Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?


The angry man who wrote the article garbled his opinions into the quote and Opposing Views blew their editorial budget on midget goat porn?

I have a feeling that this case has slightly more going on than this admittedly biased piece is letting us know. The State may be entirely in the wrong here, but we simply don't have a reasonably neutral source of information to draw a conclusion from at this point. This reads like a drunken rant written by a friend of the father's, if not the man himself.
 
2013-07-05 09:02:05 AM  

Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?


I think the writer was trying to make a point with that last sentence. That (among many other reasons) is why you don't editorialize during what's supposed to be a news article (not that I imagine Opposing Views is accused of being a news site very often).

Also, my bet is in the course of them investigating what a hero this kid is, they found something real bad back at home having to do with the mom/dad. There's no way this is so cut and dry as "Your kid is a hero, now the state takes him!"

/Don't be so gullible and ready to judge our horrifically out-of-touch system.
 
2013-07-05 09:03:42 AM  
I read it. I re-read it. I'm not sure I understand that last paragraph.
 
2013-07-05 09:04:44 AM  

CheatCommando: Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?

The angry man who wrote the article garbled his opinions into the quote and Opposing Views blew their editorial budget on midget goat porn?

I have a feeling that this case has slightly more going on than this admittedly biased piece is letting us know. The State may be entirely in the wrong here, but we simply don't have a reasonably neutral source of information to draw a conclusion from at this point. This reads like a drunken rant written by a friend of the father's, if not the man himself.


Is there even such a thing as a 'reasonably neutral source' anymore?
 
2013-07-05 09:08:48 AM  

TheGreenMonkey: CheatCommando: Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?

The angry man who wrote the article garbled his opinions into the quote and Opposing Views blew their editorial budget on midget goat porn?

I have a feeling that this case has slightly more going on than this admittedly biased piece is letting us know. The State may be entirely in the wrong here, but we simply don't have a reasonably neutral source of information to draw a conclusion from at this point. This reads like a drunken rant written by a friend of the father's, if not the man himself.

Is there even such a thing as a 'reasonably neutral source' anymore?


Foxnews is pretty fair. And they do balance their views pretty well.
 
2013-07-05 09:09:20 AM  
This is the kind of story that I am certain we will never see a Follow-Up for.
 
2013-07-05 09:12:29 AM  
and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

Are you farking kidding me?
 
2013-07-05 09:12:39 AM  
I read about this earlier on another news source that said the father has been charged with drunk driving. This was one of the headline articles this morning on Google news.
 
2013-07-05 09:13:44 AM  

Via Infinito: I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?


In the state's opinion, children shouldn't be up that late. True, it's possible that the family is full of third shifters and that is just the way the boy was raised, but only the state's version of what is normal matters, citizen.
 
2013-07-05 09:14:01 AM  

Liinda: I read about this earlier on another news source that said the father has been charged with drunk driving. This was one of the headline articles this morning on Google news.


What she said.
(Boston TV station web-site)
 
2013-07-05 09:14:09 AM  

theknuckler_33: This is the kind of story that I am certain we will never see a Follow-Up for.


I'm your Huckleberry.
 
2013-07-05 09:15:26 AM  

MyRandomName: TheGreenMonkey: CheatCommando: Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?

The angry man who wrote the article garbled his opinions into the quote and Opposing Views blew their editorial budget on midget goat porn?

I have a feeling that this case has slightly more going on than this admittedly biased piece is letting us know. The State may be entirely in the wrong here, but we simply don't have a reasonably neutral source of information to draw a conclusion from at this point. This reads like a drunken rant written by a friend of the father's, if not the man himself.

Is there even such a thing as a 'reasonably neutral source' anymore?

Foxnews is pretty fair. And they do balance their views pretty well.


i162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-05 09:16:03 AM  
the Boston Globe article on this story has this blurb in it:


McNamara said Joshua Garcia is under the care of the Department of Children & Families, which sometimes looks after children whose parents are injured in car crashes.

Still sounds odd to me, but this doesn't make it sound nearly as sinister as TFA does.
 
2013-07-05 09:16:50 AM  
Terrible site is, in fact, terrible. The only thing that didn't suck was the shocker of Romero-esque presented to me in the side bar:

New Study Shows Marijuana May Cause Users to Lose Motivation
 
2013-07-05 09:17:11 AM  
TFA could have mentioned the possible DUI part of the story. Since the mom and dad live together they will take the child from the home until they know want is going on.
 
2013-07-05 09:18:05 AM  
Let me FTFM... "Romero-esque proportions."
 
2013-07-05 09:18:30 AM  
Your kid now belongs to the State of Massachusetts.
 
2013-07-05 09:20:50 AM  
Mass DCF also takes children away if one of their parents did a bad thing like drinking and driving?

I don't even
 
2013-07-05 09:21:26 AM  
It's not news, it's Opposing Views.
 
2013-07-05 09:21:34 AM  
How many MRAPS showed up to the familys house?

Small government proponents should just move somewhere else if they dont like it.
 
2013-07-05 09:21:34 AM  
I saw another article where it said the father may have been getting a lot of sleep and was trying to stay awake by drinking a lot of Red Bull. So I guess he was driving and endangering his kid.
 
2013-07-05 09:24:39 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: theknuckler_33: This is the kind of story that I am certain we will never see a Follow-Up for.

I'm your Huckleberry.


Ahh. Interesting that TFA, published today, was missing that tidbit from your link... published yesterday.
What a shiat site Opposing Views is.
 
2013-07-05 09:24:45 AM  
Liberty!
 
2013-07-05 09:27:38 AM  

TheGreenMonkey: Is there even such a thing as a 'reasonably neutral source' anymore?


Was there ever? There are differences in direction and degree, but the limitations of human perspective more or less rule out any possibility of real neutrality in any media outlet. The best you can hope for is to be aware of the biases of your chosen outlets, and seek out sources of viewpoints that differ from your own.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 09:28:22 AM  
When I saw the story in the Telegram I guessed it was a drunk driving crash. Single vehicle off the road at 3 AM on a weekend/holiday makes you think that.
 
2013-07-05 09:35:22 AM  
I can't imagine an agency EVER holding back information from the public while in the process of an investigation.  Gosh, that would be absurd.  They should tell us everything because.... well, because we want to know.
 
2013-07-05 09:35:51 AM  
Massachusetts? Oh, it must have been because Aaron Hernandez was somewhere lurking in the scene.
 
2013-07-05 09:36:11 AM  

Tom_Slick: Your kid now belongs to the State of Massachusetts.


Nice Dropkick Murphys reference.
 
2013-07-05 09:38:42 AM  

Pavia_Resistance: the Boston Globe article on this story has this blurb in it:


McNamara said Joshua Garcia is under the care of the Department of Children & Families, which sometimes looks after children whose parents are injured in car crashes.

Still sounds odd to me, but this doesn't make it sound nearly as sinister as TFA does.


The child in question had already walked home to his Mom. The state took the child away from his mom, which does indeed sound sinister.
 
2013-07-05 09:39:03 AM  
The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is *lawful* in Massachusetts.

And here I thought I was a scofflaw badass for cruising the 128 in my Suzuki Esteem at 11pm the last time I was up there.
 
2013-07-05 09:40:04 AM  
I suppose, as a reward, they could have left the kid in the custody of the guy who was driving him around drunk at 3 in the morning before crashing into a river.

I wonder if Opposing Views will now oppose its previous view.
 
2013-07-05 09:40:10 AM  

skinink: I saw another article where it said the father may have been getting a lot of sleep and was trying to stay awake by drinking a lot of Red Bull. So I guess he was driving and endangering his kid.


If he was getting a lot of sleep, would he not be well rested?  Maybe he was speeding because he was speeding.  Ever notice that potheads drive really slow?
 
2013-07-05 09:43:07 AM  

BullBearMS: Pavia_Resistance: the Boston Globe article on this story has this blurb in it:


McNamara said Joshua Garcia is under the care of the Department of Children & Families, which sometimes looks after children whose parents are injured in car crashes.

Still sounds odd to me, but this doesn't make it sound nearly as sinister as TFA does.

The child in question had already walked home to his Mom. The state took the child away from his mom, which does indeed sound sinister.


Unless mom was in the bag too...
 
2013-07-05 09:44:46 AM  
In Massachusetts, more people die in fatal car wrecks than any other type of automobile accident.

All your babies are belong to us.
 
2013-07-05 09:47:26 AM  

BitwiseShift: In Massachusetts, more people die in fatal car wrecks than any other type of automobile accident.

∴ All your babies are belong to us.


Where do they bury the survivors?
 
2013-07-05 09:49:21 AM  
Remember that Massachusetts is right next door to Connecticut. Then remember the West Wing episode where Judge Mendoza is arrested for driving late at night while not white. So while I think Opposing Views is a horrible source for actual news and I dislike that they keep getting greened, I can see it.

/fictional anecdotal evidence is best anecdotal evidence
//schtick only works because it's plausible
///have you been to Connecticut?
 
2013-07-05 09:49:41 AM  

Via Infinito: From TFA: The Department of Children and Family Services claims that it has to investigate the family, the crash and why father and son were driving in the middle of the night, which is lawful in Massachusetts.

I don't understand this sentence. They have to investigate why they were driving at night, even though it is not against the law to drive at night. WTF?


I was wondering if other people thought this was weird. It's like the writer was desperate for material.
 
2013-07-05 09:49:58 AM  
I note that nowhere in either of the two links Opposing Views provided has any actual quotes from the service holding Joshua.  Only police and family have anything to say.  They probably wouldn't have anything to say, because it was July 4 and they were closed for the holiday.

But please, keep crucifying the eeeeeeeeeeeeeebil gubmint.
 
2013-07-05 09:51:11 AM  

Liinda: I read about this earlier on another news source that said the father has been charged with drunk driving. This was one of the headline articles this morning on Google news.


About two seconds of the Google and I got this.

The Boston Herald's account of the story.

ABC News account of the story.

The Boston Globe's account of the story.

None of those stories mentions drinking. The guy from the rescue crew theorizes that speeding must have been involved given how far the car went, but he doesn't mention alcohol and he pulled the guy out of the car. If he had been drunk, they would have had every opportunity to smell it on him.
The local CBS affiliate says the child was taken away for this reason:

Family members say after Joshua and his dad were treated at a nearby hospital, a state agency took temporary custody of the child as it investigates the family, the circumstances of the crash, and why the two were out in the middle of the night.

"They took over, just because they say it's neglect driving at that time," said Columna.
 
2013-07-05 09:51:30 AM  
My fervent prayer was that subby was missing some crucial part of the article, but indeed...this is the horrifying truth. DRIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?  We just drove home from the Georgian Bay last weekend THROUGH THE NIGHT AND ALSO THE DAY.  I guess I should count myself lucky that I still have my kid.
 
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