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(Digital Spy)   New book claims that both Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson were considered to play The Doctor in a Doctor Who movie in the 1980s. Well, that explains where both the Technicolor Dreamcoat and the horrible sweater looks came from   (digitalspy.com) divider line 73
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2013-07-05 08:42:04 AM
Are we sure MJ wasn't being considered for Lady Cassandra?

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2013-07-05 08:53:06 AM
Dear BBC,

This is the kind of shiat that happens when you let Hollywood touch your stuff.

Keep it in mind if they ever come calling again.

Love,
America
 
2013-07-05 09:19:57 AM
Why I really hope against another American Doctor Who outing.  I don't want it ruined by Johnny Depp, Justin Bieber, Robert Downey Jr., Jack Black, or any other Hollywood big name, up and comer or flavor of the week.
 
2013-07-05 09:25:02 AM
 
2013-07-05 09:28:09 AM

t3knomanser: Great Janitor: Jack Black

America's Doctor Who


That video was so shiatty, it truly does epitomize what happens to almost any British property in the hands of Americans.

/Gene Hunt was Sam Tyler's daddy, and they were all in a rocketship to MARS!
 
2013-07-05 09:28:57 AM

Great Janitor: Why I really hope against another American Doctor Who outing.  I don't want it ruined by Johnny Depp, Justin Bieber, Robert Downey Jr., Jack Black, or any other Hollywood big name, up and comer or flavor of the week.


Bieber is the next companion.
 
2013-07-05 09:31:15 AM

t3knomanser: Great Janitor: Jack Black

America's Doctor Who


/ open youtube history
// remove from history listing
/// consider taking up heavy drinking to forget
 
2013-07-05 09:37:17 AM
With the hippity and hoppity and the timey wimey puddin pops.
 
2013-07-05 09:44:53 AM

FirstNationalBastard: t3knomanser: Great Janitor: Jack Black

America's Doctor Who

That video was so shiatty, it truly does epitomize what happens to almost any British property in the hands of Americans.

/Gene Hunt was Sam Tyler's daddy, and they were all in a rocketship to MARS!


I would have sworn based on the production value, it had to be British.
 
2013-07-05 09:57:25 AM
If this was the "I Spy" Bill Cosby, wouldn't have been terrible, merely not good.  Can't see how MJ would be anything about terrible.
 
2013-07-05 09:58:05 AM

RyansPrivates: If this was the "I Spy" Bill Cosby, wouldn't have been terrible, merely not good.  Can't see how MJ would be anything but terrible.


FTFM
 
2013-07-05 09:59:01 AM
A regeneration of the doctor being an ethnic minority is really overdue.  Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?
 
2013-07-05 09:59:38 AM
RyansPrivates:   Can't see how MJ would be anything but terrible.

And even worse, they would have had to keep Adric around for him.
 
2013-07-05 10:11:30 AM

ikanreed: A regeneration of the doctor being an ethnic minority is really overdue.  Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?


Is it racist to say an entire alien race has to be green or blue or red? That's okay... but an entire alien race that's white is a problem?

Star Trek:
Vulcans would have all been white if not for Tuvak. All Denoblians are white,

Bab 5:
Minbari, all white. Centauri, all white.

Why is that not okay? Is it really an evolutionary stretch to think a whole race could be the same color?
 
2013-07-05 10:12:26 AM
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2013-07-05 10:28:54 AM

Quantumbunny: ikanreed: A regeneration of the doctor being an ethnic minority is really overdue.  Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?

Is it racist to say an entire alien race has to be green or blue or red? That's okay... but an entire alien race that's white is a problem?

Star Trek:
Vulcans would have all been white if not for Tuvak. All Denoblians are white,

Bab 5:
Minbari, all white. Centauri, all white.

Why is that not okay? Is it really an evolutionary stretch to think a whole race could be the same color?


It's not that it can't make sense, it's just a little off-putting.

Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism, being white helps drive that point home.
 
2013-07-05 10:31:18 AM
Would you like a Jello baby?
 
2013-07-05 10:38:33 AM

ikanreed: Quantumbunny: ikanreed: A regeneration of the doctor being an ethnic minority is really overdue.  Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?

Is it racist to say an entire alien race has to be green or blue or red? That's okay... but an entire alien race that's white is a problem?

Star Trek:
Vulcans would have all been white if not for Tuvak. All Denoblians are white,

Bab 5:
Minbari, all white. Centauri, all white.

Why is that not okay? Is it really an evolutionary stretch to think a whole race could be the same color?

It's not that it can't make sense, it's just a little off-putting.

Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism, being white helps drive that point home.


In what way is it at all off-putting? In a less diverse environment, there is less variation and adaptation. It was incredibly jarring the first time I saw Tuvak.

In Sci-Fi, there are general tropes where planets are single environment, rather than say containing all of volcanic, tundra, tropical, dessert, temperate, forested, etc... ie Earth. Any aliens coming from those should be notable more similar to each other than humans are to each other.
 
2013-07-05 10:41:22 AM

Quantumbunny: ikanreed: A regeneration of the doctor being an ethnic minority is really overdue.  Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?

Is it racist to say an entire alien race has to be green or blue or red? That's okay... but an entire alien race that's white is a problem?

Star Trek:
Vulcans would have all been white if not for Tuvak. All Denoblians are white,

Bab 5:
Minbari, all white. Centauri, all white.

Why is that not okay? Is it really an evolutionary stretch to think a whole race could be the same color?


Klingons man, what "race" are they? Oh right pretty much all of them (they even had an albino figure prominently in one episode).
 
2013-07-05 10:42:05 AM

LarryDan43: Great Janitor: Why I really hope against another American Doctor Who outing.  I don't want it ruined by Johnny Depp, Justin Bieber, Robert Downey Jr., Jack Black, or any other Hollywood big name, up and comer or flavor of the week.

Bieber is the next companion.


Don't knock her, she was awesome in The Last of Us.
 
2013-07-05 10:48:24 AM
The next doctor must be a hyper intelligent shade of the colour blue. Anything else is shadist.
 
2013-07-05 10:54:20 AM
Wait, does this mean Cliff Huxtable isn't just a doctor, he's THE Doctor?
 
2013-07-05 11:02:52 AM

ikanreed: Have we ever seen any non-white timelords?


Yes, there was a non-speaking black Time Lord in the flashback of the Master's childhood.
 
2013-07-05 11:04:07 AM
I see feminists whining on Tumblr that there's no reason why the Doctor shouldn't be a woman in the next iteration. And I ask myself why? Same for Black Doctor. Why?

Isn't it better to create a black or female character and have THAT become iconic or successful instead of co-opting an existing property? Sure, there are more white characters, but that doesn't matter, there's only one Doctor.

The actual possibility is being described as a triumph or a conquest for females/blacks. If you have a triumph / conquest, that means someone was defeated / conquered. So why would white males have to lose something? Can't females / blacks create their own stuff instead?
 
2013-07-05 11:20:13 AM
What is with Star Trek having only green Orions? That is kinda racist!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-05 11:35:29 AM

rocky_howard: I see feminists whining on Tumblr that there's no reason why the Doctor shouldn't be a woman in the next iteration. And I ask myself why? Same for Black Doctor. Why?

Isn't it better to create a black or female character and have THAT become iconic or successful instead of co-opting an existing property? Sure, there are more white characters, but that doesn't matter, there's only one Doctor.

The actual possibility is being described as a triumph or a conquest for females/blacks. If you have a triumph / conquest, that means someone was defeated / conquered. So why would white males have to lose something? Can't females / blacks create their own stuff instead?


I have to agree with this.  I would rather see a new character being created as opposed to a race changed Doctor.  If they can create characters as popular as Captain Jack, Sally Sparrow, Wilfred so on and so forth, then it can be done with a black actor.

I really haven't heard anyone make an argument for a black Doctor that wasn't along the lines of a P.C. argument.  If the Time Lords are not all Gallifreyians, but the upper crust of Gallifreyian society, and the Time Lords are a metaphor for old school stuffy British Aristocracy, and the Doctor is a member of that class, since he is a Time Lord, then the Doctor pretty much has to be white.
 
2013-07-05 11:36:30 AM
Still saying, if they want to get a black Doctor:
owley.ch
 
2013-07-05 11:38:11 AM

Arkanaut: Wait, does this mean Cliff Huxtable isn't just a doctor, he's THE Doctor?


Doctor who?

rocky_howard: Can't females / blacks create their own stuff instead?


Damn straight.  They shouldn't get so uppity.  The choice of race and/or gender of the Doctor is sacrosanct.
 
2013-07-05 11:39:08 AM

rocky_howard: I see feminists whining on Tumblr that there's no reason why the Doctor shouldn't be a woman in the next iteration. And I ask myself why? Same for Black Doctor. Why?

Isn't it better to create a black or female character and have THAT become iconic or successful instead of co-opting an existing property? Sure, there are more white characters, but that doesn't matter, there's only one Doctor.

The actual possibility is being described as a triumph or a conquest for females/blacks. If you have a triumph / conquest, that means someone was defeated / conquered. So why would white males have to lose something? Can't females / blacks create their own stuff instead?


They wouldn't become popular enough. So the theory goes, at any rate.
 
2013-07-05 11:47:48 AM
ikanreed:
Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism

Really?  But it was so subtle.

/good show, but generally no subtlety whatsoever
 
2013-07-05 12:11:38 PM

No Such Agency: ikanreed:
Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism

Really?  But it was so subtle.

/good show, but generally no subtlety whatsoever


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2013-07-05 12:19:26 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: What is with Star Trek having only green Orions? That is kinda racist!

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If they weren't green, how would you know they were Orions?
 
2013-07-05 12:33:38 PM

BalugaJoe: No Such Agency: ikanreed:
Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism

Really?  But it was so subtle.

/good show, but generally no subtlety whatsoever

[wtf are you saying man]


OK, maybe a bit harsh.  It got less so in later seasons, like ST:TNG did.  I did love the shocking face-heel turn (to the audience at least) the Centauri did, but they were still dressed as 19th century European aristocrats which seems silly.
 
2013-07-05 12:40:59 PM

rocky_howard: I see feminists whining on Tumblr that there's no reason why the Doctor shouldn't be a woman in the next iteration. And I ask myself why? Same for Black Doctor. Why?


Why not?  One of The Doctor's major traits is that regenerating leaves him in a completely different body, and they've even opened up the possibility of him becoming another gender (one of the questions the Tenth asks himself after regenerating is, "Am I still male?").  While I don't think they should engage in "stunt casting" (i.e. casting a different ethnicity or a woman just to say they did it), if the right actor comes along, I don't see why the next Doctor couldn't be black, or Asian, or a woman, or a midget (Peter Dinklage would make an awesome Doctor, just saying).
 
2013-07-05 12:43:49 PM

BalugaJoe: No Such Agency: ikanreed:
Also since the Centauri were a symbol for 18th and 19th century European colonialism

Really?  But it was so subtle.

/good show, but generally no subtlety whatsoever

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 250x185]


No no... THAT Centauri was a symbol for a 1980's used care salesman.
 
2013-07-05 12:44:52 PM
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2013-07-05 12:48:56 PM
HeartBurnKid: or a midget (Peter Dinklage would make an awesome Doctor, just saying).

I think Michael J Anderson would be a good doctor, too... but he's getting old.

TIL: He's not actually a dwarf, he has severe osteo imperfecta.
 
2013-07-05 12:50:32 PM

HeartBurnKid: (Peter Dinklage would make an awesome Doctor, just saying).


Indeed.  I would pay good money to see that. Like movie theater prices for every episode.
 
2013-07-05 12:53:03 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: What is with Star Trek having only green Orions? That is kinda racist!


They also have Andorans who are all blue and races that are all red... The black and white cookie binary aliens...

Of that really racist somehow?
 
2013-07-05 12:53:20 PM
Peter Dinklage would make a great Doctor. The only problem is his role on Game of Thrones. Even if they could work out the shooting schedules for the two shows and he'd want to work that much, his character on GoT has such a strong personality that it'd be a big distraction to those who watch both shows.
 
2013-07-05 01:00:16 PM

Quantumbunny: Science_Guy_3.14159: What is with Star Trek having only green Orions? That is kinda racist!

They also have Andorans who are all blue and races that are all red... The black and white cookie binary aliens...

Of that really racist somehow?


However, the one time they did have an all black race on TNG, it was the result of a racist director wanting to cast his own version of Fear of a Black Planet.
 
2013-07-05 01:02:21 PM

FirstNationalBastard: However, the one time they did have an all black race on TNG, it was the result of a racist director wanting to cast his own version of Fear of a Black Planet.


How about Klingons turning all black.
 
2013-07-05 01:04:27 PM

Satanic_Hamster: FirstNationalBastard: However, the one time they did have an all black race on TNG, it was the result of a racist director wanting to cast his own version of Fear of a Black Planet.

How about Klingons turning all black.


That's a long story. They don't discuss it with outsiders.
 
2013-07-05 01:39:50 PM
At the end of War Games, the Time Lords show Patrick Troughton's 2nd Doctor possible new faces for his forced regeneration and among others an overweight black man and an elder native American were shown. That Time Lords could regenerate into other races and even other species was shown by Romana I's regeneration into Romana II at the beginning of Destiny of the Daleks. It would seem from these examples that there is a great deal of choice when the regeneration has not been from traumatic injury or aging.

That being established, and with the confirmation in the new series that gender can change too, pretty much anyone or anything could conceivably be the Doctor in some incarnation somewhere.

Thank a merciful Providence that neither Bill Cosby or Michael Jackson got the chance though.
 
2013-07-05 01:52:39 PM
Hamster- he would be great as the Doctor ; or the guy in Jack Taylor, Iain Glen.
 
2013-07-05 02:25:28 PM

HeartBurnKid: rocky_howard: I see feminists whining on Tumblr that there's no reason why the Doctor shouldn't be a woman in the next iteration. And I ask myself why? Same for Black Doctor. Why?

Why not?  One of The Doctor's major traits is that regenerating leaves him in a completely different body, and they've even opened up the possibility of him becoming another gender (one of the questions the Tenth asks himself after regenerating is, "Am I still male?").  While I don't think they should engage in "stunt casting" (i.e. casting a different ethnicity or a woman just to say they did it), if the right actor comes along, I don't see why the next Doctor couldn't be black, or Asian, or a woman, or a midget (Peter Dinklage would make an awesome Doctor, just saying).


If Time Lords have no gender then The Doctor has no daughter, and the entire universe isn't afraid of the "Man who calls himself The Doctor". If you allow gender change now, you've basically torn up everything and are starting over... so why keep calling it Doctor Who.

Now playing with his ethnicity makes sense. To the best of my knowledge that's never been made an issue and never had a plot point rest on it.
 
2013-07-05 02:36:26 PM

t3knomanser: Great Janitor: Jack Black

America's Doctor Who


Turkish Doctor Who
 
2013-07-05 02:45:26 PM

Ace Rimmer: If Time Lords have no gender then The Doctor has no daughter, and the entire universe isn't afraid of the "Man who calls himself The Doctor".


Because women don't have daughters? And do you think the entire universe would be any less afraid of the "Woman who calls herself The Doctor"?
 
2013-07-05 02:50:29 PM

Gordon Bennett: t3knomanser: Great Janitor: Jack Black

America's Doctor Who

Turkish Doctor Who


That...was worth my time.
 
2013-07-05 03:12:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: Ace Rimmer: If Time Lords have no gender then The Doctor has no daughter, and the entire universe isn't afraid of the "Man who calls himself The Doctor".

Because women don't have daughters? And do you think the entire universe would be any less afraid of the "Woman who calls herself The Doctor"?


No, because if Time Lords have no gender then their offspring don't either. The Doctor ALWAYS refers to her as being female. Shouldn't he always have to check first and see if she regenerated into a he?

And again no, but they ALWAYS refer to The Doctor as being male. For example the Queen didn't start Torchwood to look for anyone that might be a Timelord. They specifically were looking for a male.

Like it or not, throughout the run of this show, they've established the maleness of The Doctor.
 
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