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(ESPN)   31 teams, including 16 Sprint Cup teams, fail pre-race inspection at Daytona. All for the same reason   (espn.go.com) divider line 58
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2013-07-05 04:08:38 AM  
They are all in a flap. Sigh, got nothing.
 
2013-07-05 07:58:08 AM  
Running a train on Danica?
 
2013-07-05 08:21:15 AM  
If you're not cheatin' you're not tryin'.

Machined flap spacers, what are we talking, maybe a few oz.s?  Make the drivers bowel cleanse & puke before the race...
 
2013-07-05 08:34:00 AM  
I swear that NASCAR drivers constantly try to see what they can get away with.
 
2013-07-05 08:47:00 AM  
Not enough advertising?
 
2013-07-05 08:50:12 AM  
I came here to say "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin". Glad to see I was beaten to it.
 
2013-07-05 09:01:49 AM  
How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.
 
2013-07-05 09:15:15 AM  

SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.


I would bet NASCAR will seize every car involved after the race and perform a complete tear down to see if there are any other cheaty parts.  As for saving weight, since NASCAR vehicles have a minimum  weight, so the must be trying to re distribute the weight somewhere or what is more likely they weren't trying to save weight at all they were trying to get the roof panels to deflect a certain way at speed to lower wind resistance.
 
2013-07-05 09:28:48 AM  
So there's a widespread practice in the garage that sits in the gray zone of the rules, that has been going on for weeks, and one team is sitting pretty at the plate tracks while almost everyone else gets busted.
 
2013-07-05 09:29:01 AM  
Are these heroic epitomes of freedom and courage or scripted shills playing as mobile billboards?
 
2013-07-05 09:37:48 AM  
Wow, the 48 didn't get anything confiscated. That should be news.
 
2013-07-05 09:38:34 AM  

47 is the new 42: I swear that NASCAR drivers constantly try to see what they can get away with.


The history of the sport, in one sentence.

With all the rules NASCAR puts in place these days, are the cars fundamentally that different even w/ different engines? Same body, same weight distribution... where's the fun?
 
2013-07-05 09:42:15 AM  

SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.


There was a story via Fox Sports twitter.com/nascaronfox that mentioned an article. grams = thousandths of seconds.
 
2013-07-05 09:48:03 AM  
Meanwhile, the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is threatening to sit out the German GP if the tire situation isn't fixed.  If they sit out, it means the grid would be.....Hamilton and Raikkonen.  As much as having only those two guys get points would really help the Driver's Championship standings, having a fraction of the grid racing is not a good thing.

/and for once, there's a huge farkup and Ferrari had nothing to do with it
 
2013-07-05 09:48:43 AM  
"With all the rules NASCAR puts in place these days, are the cars fundamentally that different even w/ different engines? Same body, same weight distribution... where's the fun?"

In the checks Nascar receives as they create their product.
/Buy like you're told to buy.
 
2013-07-05 09:58:11 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is threatening to sit out the German GP if the tire situation isn't fixed.  If they sit out, it means the grid would be.....Hamilton and Raikkonen.  As much as having only those two guys get points would really help the Driver's Championship standings, having a fraction of the grid racing is not a good thing.

/and for once, there's a huge farkup and Ferrari had nothing to do with it


Apparently Pirelli fixed the problem with the tyres, installing Kevlar belts instead of steel belts.

And the FIA is going to enforce rules regarding tyre usage, including minimum pressure and a ban on tyre rotation (the left side boots are prohibited from being put on the right side, and vice-versa)
 
2013-07-05 10:37:02 AM  

King Something: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is threatening to sit out the German GP if the tire situation isn't fixed.  If they sit out, it means the grid would be.....Hamilton and Raikkonen.  As much as having only those two guys get points would really help the Driver's Championship standings, having a fraction of the grid racing is not a good thing.

/and for once, there's a huge farkup and Ferrari had nothing to do with it

Apparently Pirelli fixed the problem with the tyres, installing Kevlar belts instead of steel belts.

And the FIA is going to enforce rules regarding tyre usage, including minimum pressure and a ban on tyre rotation (the left side boots are prohibited from being put on the right side, and vice-versa)


What they really should do is replace those dangerous tyres with some nice and safe tires.
 
2013-07-05 11:00:36 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is threatening to sit out the German GP if the tire situation isn't fixed.  If they sit out, it means the grid would be.....Hamilton and Raikkonen.  As much as having only those two guys get points would really help the Driver's Championship standings, having a fraction of the grid racing is not a good thing.

/and for once, there's a huge farkup and Ferrari had nothing to do with it


Formula Whine
 
2013-07-05 11:01:50 AM  

MugzyBrown: King Something: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, the Grand Prix Drivers' Association is threatening to sit out the German GP if the tire situation isn't fixed.  If they sit out, it means the grid would be.....Hamilton and Raikkonen.  As much as having only those two guys get points would really help the Driver's Championship standings, having a fraction of the grid racing is not a good thing.

/and for once, there's a huge farkup and Ferrari had nothing to do with it

Apparently Pirelli fixed the problem with the tyres, installing Kevlar belts instead of steel belts.

And the FIA is going to enforce rules regarding tyre usage, including minimum pressure and a ban on tyre rotation (the left side boots are prohibited from being put on the right side, and vice-versa)

What they really should do is replace those dangerous tyres with some nice and safe tires.


It's not Pirelli's fault. They're building the tyres to the specifications that F1 wrote up.

They can make better, safer tyres -- and would, if they were allowed to do so.
 
2013-07-05 11:02:27 AM  

SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.


The weight may or may not be that meaningful, but that's not going to be the problem.

Roof flaps at a speedway really do a good job of keeping a spinning car on the ground instead of lifting off like an airplane.  They are a pretty important safety component.

NASCAR has always taken a very hard line towards altering safety equipment (unless your name is Dale Earnhardt and we all know how well that worked out for them).  I'll be surprised if there are some pretty significant points penalties and fines.
 
2013-07-05 11:08:03 AM  

Random Name Generator: Wow, the 48 didn't get anything confiscated. That should be news.


Probably was the one who ratted them out, then promptly put on his illegal roof flaps while all the other inspectors were too busy with the other cars.
 
2013-07-05 11:10:01 AM  

bluorangefyre: Random Name Generator: Wow, the 48 didn't get anything confiscated. That should be news.

Probably was the one who ratted them out, then promptly put on his illegal roof flaps while all the other inspectors were too busy with the other cars.


At least the commentators on TNT were calling him out on his whining last weekend.  I can't imagine Fox or ESPN doing that.
 
2013-07-05 11:12:24 AM  

dokool: With all the rules NASCAR puts in place these days, are the cars fundamentally that different even w/ different engines? Same body, same weight distribution... where's the fun?


whatistheexcel.com
ARE YOU NOT SPORTS ENTERTAINED?
 
2013-07-05 11:25:56 AM  
Florida tag?

I mean, yeah, the event takes place in Florida but this isn't a "Florida" story.
 
2013-07-05 11:32:33 AM  
Here's an idea... all these cars are suppose to be stock, right?  How about just right before the race starts, throw everyone's keys in a grab bag and have the drivers blindly draw the keys to the car that they will be racing in.  Yeah, I know I know... each driver has their car tuned to them, but hey, they are all stock right?
 
2013-07-05 12:05:12 PM  

PsyLord: Here's an idea... all these cars are suppose to be stock, right?  How about just right before the race starts, throw everyone's keys in a grab bag and have the drivers blindly draw the keys to the car that they will be racing in.  Yeah, I know I know... each driver has their car tuned to them, but hey, they are all stock right?


Congrats on being the 543,298th person to drag out this same tired talking point.

"STOCK" does not mean the cars just rolled off the assembly line and onto the track ok? Not only would that make for lousy racing but it would be inherently dangerous as pure stock vehicles do not have anywhere near the necessary saftey systems in place for racing.

"STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock. No modern sanctioning body has ever held a "STOCK" race no matter what even they might say. The minute you put a roll cage in it, it's not stock. As soon as you put racing tires on it, it's not stock. Once you've tuned the engine past factory specs, it's not stock and so on.
 
2013-07-05 12:09:55 PM  

PsyLord: Here's an idea... all these cars are suppose to be stock, right?  How about just right before the race starts, throw everyone's keys in a grab bag and have the drivers blindly draw the keys to the car that they will be racing in.  Yeah, I know I know... each driver has their car tuned to them, but hey, they are all stock right?


forums.pelicanparts.com
Hey, there's nothin' stock about a stock car.
 
2013-07-05 12:22:50 PM  
You mad, bros?
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/has no comment
 
2013-07-05 12:30:33 PM  

Odd Bird: You mad, bros?
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/has no comment


got away with another inspection. good job guys!

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*casually dips goodyears in chemicals to make them go faster*
 
2013-07-05 12:42:39 PM  

the1hatman: PsyLord: Here's an idea... all these cars are suppose to be stock, right?  How about just right before the race starts, throw everyone's keys in a grab bag and have the drivers blindly draw the keys to the car that they will be racing in.  Yeah, I know I know... each driver has their car tuned to them, but hey, they are all stock right?

Congrats on being the 543,298th person to drag out this same tired talking point.

"STOCK" does not mean the cars just rolled off the assembly line and onto the track ok? Not only would that make for lousy racing but it would be inherently dangerous as pure stock vehicles do not have anywhere near the necessary saftey systems in place for racing.

"STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock. No modern sanctioning body has ever held a "STOCK" race no matter what even they might say. The minute you put a roll cage in it, it's not stock. As soon as you put racing tires on it, it's not stock. Once you've tuned the engine past factory specs, it's not stock and so on.


So then don't call it stock car racing.
 
2013-07-05 12:55:06 PM  

iron_city_ap: the1hatman: PsyLord: Here's an idea... all these cars are suppose to be stock, right?  How about just right before the race starts, throw everyone's keys in a grab bag and have the drivers blindly draw the keys to the car that they will be racing in.  Yeah, I know I know... each driver has their car tuned to them, but hey, they are all stock right?

Congrats on being the 543,298th person to drag out this same tired talking point.

"STOCK" does not mean the cars just rolled off the assembly line and onto the track ok? Not only would that make for lousy racing but it would be inherently dangerous as pure stock vehicles do not have anywhere near the necessary saftey systems in place for racing.

"STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock. No modern sanctioning body has ever held a "STOCK" race no matter what even they might say. The minute you put a roll cage in it, it's not stock. As soon as you put racing tires on it, it's not stock. Once you've tuned the engine past factory specs, it's not stock and so on.

So then don't call it stock car racing.


Not enough melodrama, pro-wrestling style, that way.  Team rivalries; villains and heroes; cross-accusations of cheating; fist fights in the winner's circle; girl friends pulling each other's hair.

Bubba likes his stories.
 
2013-07-05 02:29:47 PM  

King Something: They can make better, safer tyres -- and would, if they were allowed to do so.


It is Pirelli's fault. If one of their tires goes kerblooey and someone goes off course at 180 mph destroying a very expensive chassis, and heaven forbid injuring the driver, it's all on Pirelli. They damn well know the tires aren't proper, yet they're making them. It is their duty when ordered to make a product whose safety is potentially flawed to refuse to make it. Case closed.
 
2013-07-05 02:35:35 PM  
All for the same reason

Shortage of chromosomes?
 
2013-07-05 02:48:06 PM  

Tom_Slick: SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.

I would bet NASCAR will seize every car involved after the race and perform a complete tear down to see if there are any other cheaty parts.  As for saving weight, since NASCAR vehicles have a minimum  weight, so the must be trying to re distribute the weight somewhere or what is more likely they weren't trying to save weight at all they were trying to get the roof panels to deflect a certain way at speed to lower wind resistance.


Good idea, but they are just trying to get teh name out and increase viewers ahead of the races.

/so if you reduced the weight of the "roof flap spacer" how much lap time would you get.  At best this spacer could be about 18x4" and there are three of them.  I wouldn't call it a spacer, probably more of a mounting flange.  Anyway, if it's made of aluminum and is however many mm thick, oh I have no idea how much weight could be saved.
//but if it's high on the car, every ounce counts
 
2013-07-05 02:54:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: King Something: They can make better, safer tyres -- and would, if they were allowed to do so.

It is Pirelli's fault. If one of their tires goes kerblooey and someone goes off course at 180 mph destroying a very expensive chassis, and heaven forbid injuring the driver, it's all on Pirelli. They damn well know the tires aren't proper, yet they're making them. It is their duty when ordered to make a product whose safety is potentially flawed to refuse to make it. Case closed.


F1 gives them the specs.  They can't alter those specs or they will be in violation of the contract.  They can raise concerns and show why there is a problem, but ultimately it is on F1 to alter the rules and specs so that safer tires can be produced.  This isn't a situation where I blame Pirelli, they are in a tough spot being blamed for problems created by F1.
 
2013-07-05 03:10:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: What they really should do is replace those dangerous tyres with some nice and safe tires.


Seriously buy some tires. When you buy those off brands you ain't gonna get the same quality.
 
2013-07-05 03:11:41 PM  

iron_city_ap: the1hatman: "STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock.

So then don't call it stock car racing.


The point was that^ is why it is called stock car racing. Reading comprehension saves lives people.
 
2013-07-05 03:45:31 PM  

the1hatman: iron_city_ap: the1hatman: "STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock.

So then don't call it stock car racing.

The point was that^ is why it is called stock car racing. Reading comprehension saves lives people.


Ohhh, now I understand. The car, outside of the sticker its wrapped in, is in absolutely no way like the stock model it claims to be, is okay to be called stock, because its BASED ON the stock model. Explain to me how a NASCAR Fusion (just for example) is based on an actual Fusion (outside of having 4 tires, a windshield, etc...). Are they using the same base frame? The same size engine? Transmission? Is there any part on a NASCAR fusion that is exactly the same part I can find on any Fusion sitting on a dealer's lot right now?

I'm looking out my hotel room right now into the NASCAR HOF. I'm looking directly at old stock cars that have some of the same parts you can find on any make/model of the regular street version. I'm totally fine with calling those stock cars. Not today's cars though.
 
2013-07-05 04:03:32 PM  
iron_city_ap:  Is there any part on a NASCAR fusion that is exactly the same part I can find on any Fusion sitting on a dealer's lot right now?

http://nascar.about.com/od/nascar101/f/nascarracecar.htm
(excerpt) Sprint Cup race cars are required to have three "stock" parts from the manufacturer. The hood, the roof and the trunk lid are all standard parts.

The article isn't dated so I can't tell if the information is current.
 
2013-07-05 04:20:58 PM  

iron_city_ap: the1hatman: iron_city_ap: the1hatman: "STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles. SS, Camrys and Fusions or cars that you can buy stock.

So then don't call it stock car racing.

The point was that^ is why it is called stock car racing. Reading comprehension saves lives people.

Ohhh, now I understand. The car, outside of the sticker its wrapped in, is in absolutely no way like the stock model it claims to be, is okay to be called stock, because its BASED ON the stock model. Explain to me how a NASCAR Fusion (just for example) is based on an actual Fusion (outside of having 4 tires, a windshield, etc...). Are they using the same base frame? The same size engine? Transmission? Is there any part on a NASCAR fusion that is exactly the same part I can find on any Fusion sitting on a dealer's lot right now?

I'm looking out my hotel room right now into the NASCAR HOF. I'm looking directly at old stock cars that have some of the same parts you can find on any make/model of the regular street version. I'm totally fine with calling those stock cars. Not today's cars though.


Lighten up Francis.

The guy was doing the same old "Drrr.. why is it called stock when it isn't stock?" routine and I gave him the reason. I didn't say it was a good one but whining incessantly over what one word in an organization's name means is just lame. The same people cry WAY too much about things like "Why is the Big 12 called that when there are only 10 schools in it?" as if they actually didn't understand the dynamic that lead to it in the first place.

Again, if you actually read my original post you'll see I've stated some of things you are talking about and how they have never really been "stock". Or you can just continue to argue the points we actually agree on with standard internet rage. It is fark afterall.

The bottom line is this, NASCAR races the SS, Fusions and Camrys. We can buy SS, Fusions and Camrys off the lot. You can't buy a McLaren MP4-21, a Ferrari F138 or even a crappy Dallara DW12 without doing it part by part and a crapton of cash. I agree that doesn't make them very "stock" but I never said it did to begin with. They are, in fact, based on street models. Weak as that link may be these days.
 
2013-07-05 05:10:00 PM  
So... Nationwide discussion?
 
2013-07-05 05:35:01 PM  

Tom_Slick: SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.

I would bet NASCAR will seize every car involved after the race and perform a complete tear down to see if there are any other cheaty parts.  As for saving weight, since NASCAR vehicles have a minimum  weight, so the must be trying to re distribute the weight somewhere or what is more likely they weren't trying to save weight at all they were trying to get the roof panels to deflect a certain way at speed to lower wind resistance.


Yeah, everyone is hung up on the weight but I saw somewhere that this mod would allow the flaps to rise a little at speed and take air off of the spoiler.
 
2013-07-05 05:39:21 PM  

the1hatman: "STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles


Yes, those headlight stickers sure do realistic.
 
2013-07-05 06:06:44 PM  

puffy999: the1hatman: "STOCK" means nothing more than the machines are based on stock models of vehicles

Yes, those headlight stickers sure do realistic.


Your point?

Let's try again (read it slowly if you have to)...

the1hatman: The bottom line is this, NASCAR races the SS, Fusions and Camrys. We can buy SS, Fusions and Camrys off the lot. You can't buy a McLaren MP4-21, a Ferrari F138 or even a crappy Dallara DW12 without doing it part by part and a crapton of cash. I agree that doesn't make them very "stock" but I never said it did to begin with. They are, in fact, based on street models. Weak as that link may be these days.

 
2013-07-05 06:16:56 PM  

Daedalus27: WhyteRaven74: King Something: They can make better, safer tyres -- and would, if they were allowed to do so.

It is Pirelli's fault. If one of their tires goes kerblooey and someone goes off course at 180 mph destroying a very expensive chassis, and heaven forbid injuring the driver, it's all on Pirelli. They damn well know the tires aren't proper, yet they're making them. It is their duty when ordered to make a product whose safety is potentially flawed to refuse to make it. Case closed.

F1 gives them the specs.  They can't alter those specs or they will be in violation of the contract.  They can raise concerns and show why there is a problem, but ultimately it is on F1 to alter the rules and specs so that safer tires can be produced.  This isn't a situation where I blame Pirelli, they are in a tough spot being blamed for problems created by F1.


Bernie went to Pirelli and said, "I want more races like Canada 2011".  Problem being, that race was in the wet.  F1 just naturally gets better when it rains.

I hope next season is as dogs-and-cats-living-together levels of chaos as we've been promised.
 
2013-07-05 06:19:14 PM  

non-racer X: Tom_Slick: SDRR: How much weight could you possibly save by grinding down part of a roof flap? Seems kind of stupid to me.

I would bet NASCAR will seize every car involved after the race and perform a complete tear down to see if there are any other cheaty parts.  As for saving weight, since NASCAR vehicles have a minimum  weight, so the must be trying to re distribute the weight somewhere or what is more likely they weren't trying to save weight at all they were trying to get the roof panels to deflect a certain way at speed to lower wind resistance.

Yeah, everyone is hung up on the weight but I saw somewhere that this mod would allow the flaps to rise a little at speed and take air off of the spoiler.


I was just going to chime in and ask what possible advantage you could get from altering the flaps, but I think you've answered my question.

However, something is very fishy with 31 teams getting caught.  That just doesn't seem realistic.  Unless the flaps were something they never checked before and surprised everyone this week by checking them?
 
2013-07-05 06:30:21 PM  
However, something is very fishy with 31 teams getting caught.  That just doesn't seem realistic.  Unless the flaps were something they never checked before and surprised everyone this week by checking them?

Possibly.  Haven't heard anything yet about why they checked them, it sounds like this is something that at least a few of the teams have been doing for a while.
 
2013-07-05 06:32:48 PM  

downstairs: Unless the flaps were something they never checked before and surprised everyone this week by checking them?


Just guessing, but I would bet they didn't check them at Daytona and Talladega earlier this year.  At one of the tracks this year they had a couple of cars shed roof flaps during what should be routine spins where the flaps should have stayed on I believe after the Talladega race.  Since these flaps help keep the cars on the ground and out of the fence during a spin I'll bet they were looking very closely because of the engine that ended up in the stands at Daytona earlier this year.
 
2013-07-05 06:39:08 PM  

non-racer X: However, something is very fishy with 31 teams getting caught.  That just doesn't seem realistic.  Unless the flaps were something they never checked before and surprised everyone this week by checking them?

Possibly.  Haven't heard anything yet about why they checked them, it sounds like this is something that at least a few of the teams have been doing for a while.


Yeah, its my guess too.  I assume there's not much to be gained by altering the flaps at races not in Daytona or Talledega.  But when it comes to restrictor plate races, every millimeter counts I guess.

So maybe NASCAR just had an ah-ha moment and realized that's something teams could cheat with, and they weren't checking, so they sprung a surprise on them.

These cars have thousands of parts, so they clearly can't check them all.

I've been a NASCAR fan since 2005... so maybe I'm embarrassed to not know this... but do they inspect every car?  I thought it was random, and after the race.  The winner always gets inspected, then like 5 random cars also get inspected.  Like random drug testing in the stick-and-ball sports... too costly to give hundreds of players a test every week, but the random nature of it attempts to leave fear in every player thinking of doping that they'll get caught.
 
2013-07-05 06:44:05 PM  

downstairs: I've been a NASCAR fan since 2005... so maybe I'm embarrassed to not know this... but do they inspect every car?  I thought it was random, and after the race.  The winner always gets inspected, then like 5 random cars also get inspected.  Like random drug testing in the stick-and-ball sports... too costly to give hundreds of players a test every week, but the random nature of it attempts to leave fear in every player thinking of doping that they'll get caught.


Every car goes through pre-race inspection. It's a basic test, make sure they all fit the templates. Officials will walk the car looking for certain things. I'm sure you've seen races where a guy gets to the field late because he had to go through there over and over. Gordon did so recently, and Keslowski. When they take the car after the race, that's when it gets a good tear down. My tin hat tells me that's why a lot of these guys do burn outs until the engine blows.

Jensaarai: So... Nationwide discussion?


That would be nice. I have to find a feed. I'm pretending to work for two more hours.
 
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