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2013-07-04 06:26:23 PM
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On this Independence Day we celebrate our freedom and also look toward North Korea's tyrannical oppression:

In NK the government operates a massive spying apparatus that monitors all its citizens' activities and communications, while in the US... wait, scratch that.

In NK citizens can be indefinitely detained, tortured, and executed without trial, while in the US... okay, we'll start over.

In NK the government and their cronies are unaccountable for their actions, no matter how criminal or how much suffering they cause ordinary citizens, while in the US... this isn't going where we want it.

In NK the media act as lapdogs for the government and unquestioningly echoes talking points handed to them by officials, while in the US...
2013-07-04 08:59:18 PM
2 votes:

mootmah: Take notes berylman. This is how it's done.


It's funny because everything I said is true.


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In NK all your calls and emails are monitored because oppression. In the US it's because we're the freest country in the world.
2013-07-04 07:17:00 PM
2 votes:

Abox: I'm just gonna say it.  Our people could stand to be better behaved and better educated.


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TWX
2013-07-05 02:42:00 AM
1 votes:

El Pachuco: TWX: El Pachuco: mootmah: Take notes berylman. This is how it's done.

It's funny because everything I said is true.
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In NK all your calls and emails are monitored because oppression. In the US it's because we're the freest country in the world.

Three important distinctions. First, the proportion of people directly affected in the US is much lower. Second, the legal system at least has the possibility of changing policies against the will or wishes of the Executive branch. Third, you're free to make your complaints about it.

I will not dispute that any of the negative things about the US are actually bad, they are, but we don't hold a candle to NK when it comes to internal oppression.

NK is like 1984, while the United States is more like Brave New World.

Well that totally makes it okay then.  It's not like we have some goddam piece of paper saying our government can't do that sort of thing.


Never said that it was OK. It's not OK.

It's just less-not-OK than NK.

I think that it's totally inappropriate to hold prisoners without either a) classifying them as enemy soldiers and thus legally-recognized POWs to hold until the 'war' is ended or b) trying them as civilians. Guantanamo Bay's detention center should never have been opened in the first place as a black hole to dump people into.

It's inappropriate to collect so much data without a warrant. The Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights starts off with, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures...", and in my admittedly non-lawyer view, effects should be a good place to include one's electronic signature. The biggest insult is that this data collected doesn't even seem to actually help prevent terrorism, most of the FBI busts seem to be all social interaction that a good lawyer may be able to argue as entrapment (ie, goading someone who's blustering, providing them with materials that they probably would never have gotten access to, and then busting them) or mop-up after the fact when the perpetrators screw up and lead us to them like in the Boston Marathon aftermath. How can one even defend such a system when it has proven to be such a terrible failure on so many levels?

It's wrong that our media only covers total crap, but as long as they're ad-supported, the most sensationalist crap is what wins out. Ever actually watch news on PBS? It's not full of news on what actors are doing or comprised half of promos for later segments as teasers. It's also dry and sometimes hard to get through. Crap is king, and crap is what people want. They want celebrity meltdowns and wardrobe malfunctions and divorces and marriages and babies. They want refinery explosions and train derailments and deaths in natural disasters. They don't want to know why the price of wheat is higher or how the orange crop in Florida is devastated or how anything is going on in many foreign countries, and that's where Huxley got it right while Orwell got it wrong. We're a lot closer to Soma and Feelies than we are to Duty to the Party and the Two Minutes' Hate, though viewers of Fox News may find it otherwise.

The legislative branch has the power to limit some of this if the would agree to do so. The legislative branch could pass laws barring this surveillance, barring these kinds of detentions, and could make explicit laws guaranteeing inadmissability-in-court data or derivative data and investigative leads from such collected information. That would certainly cause problems for the executive branch, but it's theoretically possible to do this, if the populace wasn't so interested in American Idol and other such distractions. Give us our bread and circuses and we gladly fall in line.

Again though, that we're having this conversation is proof that it's not all bad, and that it's still possible to make it better.
2013-07-05 01:30:39 AM
1 votes:
Apparently when you have your picture taken, you have to have your hand outstretched, with either one finger or your entire hand pointing to something off-camera.

This makes the viewer wonder what they are pointing towards. Is it Godzilla? The DPRK People's Army's rifles trained on them? The ass of Kim Jong-Un? We may never know.
2013-07-04 07:21:49 PM
1 votes:

El Pachuco: On this Independence Day we celebrate our freedom and also look toward North Korea's tyrannical oppression:

In NK the government operates a massive spying apparatus that monitors all its citizens' activities and communications, while in the US... wait, scratch that.

In NK citizens can be indefinitely detained, tortured, and executed without trial, while in the US... okay, we'll start over.

In NK the government and their cronies are unaccountable for their actions, no matter how criminal or how much suffering they cause ordinary citizens, while in the US... this isn't going where we want it.

In NK the media act as lapdogs for the government and unquestioningly echoes talking points handed to them by officials, while in the US...


Take notes berylman. This is how it's done.
2013-07-04 07:20:19 PM
1 votes:

El Pachuco: On this Independence Day we celebrate our freedom and also look toward North Korea's tyrannical oppression:

In NK the government operates a massive spying apparatus that monitors all its citizens' activities and communications, while in the US... wait, scratch that.

In NK citizens can be indefinitely detained, tortured, and executed without trial, while in the US... okay, we'll start over.

In NK the government and their cronies are unaccountable for their actions, no matter how criminal or how much suffering they cause ordinary citizens, while in the US... this isn't going where we want it.

In NK the media act as lapdogs for the government and unquestioningly echoes talking points handed to them by officials, while in the US...


i1.ytimg.com
2013-07-04 06:25:22 PM
1 votes:
I'm just gonna say it.  Our people could stand to be better behaved and better educated.
2013-07-04 06:02:55 PM
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2013-07-04 05:56:42 PM
1 votes:

Supercampion: [i.imgur.com image 639x400]


Awesome camouflage they have there. Can hardly even spot anyone in the pic at all .
2013-07-04 05:55:44 PM
1 votes:

berylman: NK is not hardly as farked up as everyone seems to portray it. Not a wonderful place but it has stuff going for it.


Supercampion: berylman: NK is not hardly as farked up as everyone seems to portray it. Not a wonderful place but it has stuff going for it.

2/10


more like -20/10
2013-07-04 05:54:50 PM
1 votes:

berylman: NK is not hardly as farked up as everyone seems to portray it. Not a wonderful place but it has stuff going for it.


2/10
2013-07-04 05:25:51 PM
1 votes:

Supercampion: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x509]


"Hearts' contents"?

And I wonder if they actually paid for that Windows software?  I mean, in the event that picture isn't totally fake.
2013-07-04 05:18:18 PM
1 votes:

Flab: Obligatory


Always amazing.  There always appears to be too much infrastructure for the amount of people there.  I know the history, but something in the back of my mind always screams, "Where did the people who built all that stuff go?"
2013-07-04 05:04:13 PM
1 votes:
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Uhhh... I hate to be the one to tell you this... but THOSE AREN'T BABIES!!!!
2013-07-04 04:59:37 PM
1 votes:

Flab: Obligatory


Well, their bus stops have umbrellas over them. I'd say they've mastered some great technology that the USA still needs to fully grasp.
2013-07-04 04:57:44 PM
1 votes:

Supercampion: [i.imgur.com image 850x600]


That's Nikolai Yezhov's hand
2013-07-04 04:56:38 PM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com

That's... That's a microwave oven. And is that stuff they're holding half-cooked spaghetti?

WTF?
2013-07-04 04:48:57 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-07-04 04:48:47 PM
1 votes:
I'd like to go to North Korea someday. The mountains are supposed to be breathtaking. And if nothing else, I'd get to meet an ex-president when they came to negotiate for my release, or maybe Dennis Rodman, so that'd be pretty cool.
2013-07-04 04:11:48 PM
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