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(Delaware County Daily Times)   Dental hygenist and office receptionist open after hours practice in existing dental office. What could possibly go wrong? (Lack of skills, training and a license to practice dentistry for starters)   (delcotimes.com) divider line 51
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2013-07-03 11:18:24 PM  
Wow, it wasn't in Florida. We have a lot of those.

Journalism is however spinning in its grave with this "...while unqualified to do none of it."
 
2013-07-04 01:04:00 AM  
dispending medications

I wonder how that works.
 
2013-07-04 01:15:12 AM  
To be fair, they were just practicing.
 
2013-07-04 01:29:31 AM  
phil herup?
 
2013-07-04 01:35:54 AM  
It's much more pleasurable to have a root canal and gum irrigation at 2 in the morn when you're loaded up on booze...I can see what they were going for.
 
Rie
2013-07-04 01:36:16 AM  
"while unqualified to do none of it. "

So what's the problem here?
 
2013-07-04 01:36:44 AM  
I thought all dentists were criminals anyway.
 
2013-07-04 01:39:05 AM  
Is it just me, or was that article written in Engrish?
 
2013-07-04 01:41:13 AM  
"the women advertised the after-hours dentistry through word of mouth "

Tattoos on patients lips?
 
2013-07-04 01:43:31 AM  

Approves of these women.


drmichaelrouff.com

 
2013-07-04 01:43:43 AM  
I hear the women ran a butt implant clinic on the side.
 
2013-07-04 01:46:48 AM  
both women conspired to keep the doors open and hold themselves out as licensed dentists, offering "drastically reduced" prices for procedures to uninsured patients.

A pair of ambitious entrepreneurs shut down by big-government regulations. Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-07-04 01:52:10 AM  

Rie: "while unqualified to do none of it. "

So what's the problem here?


It is a double negative. While qualified to do none of it, or while unqualified to do any of it are fine, but what is in the article is rubbish.
 
2013-07-04 01:55:46 AM  
This just goes to show that licensing keeps prices highly elevated, when those with less training willing to work for less money can do practically the same work for much less. They crossed the line trying to do things like root canals, but if they would have stuck to basic dentistry it probably would have worked out just fine.

I have a suspicion that 90% of what doctors/dentists do could be done by someone with much less training who are willing to work for much less. They go to expensive schooling for many years, which then justifies their high salary and high prices later. Do you really think a 1 or 2 year training curriculum couldn't be created that would teach and prepare people for much of what doctors get paid so much to do every day? More practical training, not just sitting in a classroom memorizing names of diseases.

Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.
 
2013-07-04 01:56:08 AM  
Is it safe?
 
xcv
2013-07-04 02:03:05 AM  

justoneznot: This just goes to show that licensing keeps prices highly elevated, when those with less training willing to work for less money can do practically the same work for much less. They crossed the line trying to do things like root canals, but if they would have stuck to basic dentistry it probably would have worked out just fine.

I have a suspicion that 90% of what doctors/dentists do could be done by someone with much less training who are willing to work for much less. They go to expensive schooling for many years, which then justifies their high salary and high prices later. Do you really think a 1 or 2 year training curriculum couldn't be created that would teach and prepare people for much of what doctors get paid so much to do every day? More practical training, not just sitting in a classroom memorizing names of diseases.

Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.


Of course it's rigged, the doctors and dentists' professional associations even influence the limited number of seats at accredited med schools and specialist residency training programs.

But unions are anti-american.
 
2013-07-04 02:04:25 AM  

feckingmorons: Rie: "while unqualified to do none of it. "

So what's the problem here?

It is a double negative. While qualified to do none of it, or while unqualified to do any of it are fine, but what is in the article is rubbish.


You missed Rie's point. For none of the procedures are they unqualified, therefore they are qualified for all the procedures, therefore there is no problem.
 
2013-07-04 02:05:42 AM  
Dental care is too damned expensive these days anyways.  Last teeth cleaning I had, the dentist's office charged my insurance over $300 and hit me up for cash while I was there.  Just a cleaning, nothing fancy.  My braces cost over 7k and I'd been embarrassed enough about my teeth for 30 years to not blink while signing that receipt.  I see why the dental schools have wait lists for discounted services by students and why someone really desperate wouldn't look too closely at the name of the certificate hanging on the wall.  I think dental care should be considered regular healthcare as far as this whole Affordable Care thing goes.
 
2013-07-04 02:13:16 AM  
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/Got nothing
 
2013-07-04 02:19:21 AM  

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2013-07-04 02:20:37 AM  

Cytokine Storm: Badgers: [i.imgur.com image 679x647]

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2013-07-04 02:21:18 AM  
(damn you unfetchable.  let's try that again)

Badgers: [i.imgur.com image 679x647]

/Got nothing


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-04 02:22:28 AM  

justoneznot: This just goes to show that licensing keeps prices highly elevated, when those with less training willing to work for less money can do practically the same work for much less. They crossed the line trying to do things like root canals, but if they would have stuck to basic dentistry it probably would have worked out just fine.

I have a suspicion that 90% of what doctors/dentists do could be done by someone with much less training who are willing to work for much less. They go to expensive schooling for many years, which then justifies their high salary and high prices later. Do you really think a 1 or 2 year training curriculum couldn't be created that would teach and prepare people for much of what doctors get paid so much to do every day? More practical training, not just sitting in a classroom memorizing names of diseases.

Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.


nostalgic-gamer.com
 
2013-07-04 02:29:20 AM  
FTFA:
"Ms. Gullickson is an individual who has no prior criminal record, no prior criminal contacts, and in the course of her employment at the office, she worked hard, every day, and cherished many of the dentist's clients, very well," said defense attorney David Mischak.
"At sentencing, we'll hear from a number of the clients from the dentist's office who will speak very highly of her. She's going to show the court she's been a very good citizen and a very good person, and ultimately, we hope that's what she's judged on."


In other words, please ignore the medical inventory discrepencies that she would have signed off on in accordance with medical regulations, also please ignore any tell-tale signs that an 'After Hours' dentistry would have left behind as evidence for the next working day.

Don't worry about the possibility of Ms. Gullickson taking any sort of profit from the business -- since there were no records of transaction made. Just trust the testimony of her patients and colleagues.

Nevermind the fact that she would have had to purchase tools, supplies, and medications for her legitimate business that any respected doctor would know they did not use or go through during the course of their practice.

Particularly any Schedule II drugs or any other sort of painkiller that they would have used for their racket. I mean if the licensed dentist was ignorant of the fact that her other supplies were missing or 'short'... it's not going to be impossible to guess that maybe the Schedule II drugs were 'short' on the inventory list too.
 
2013-07-04 02:41:48 AM  
This is what society would look like if the Libertarians got their way.
 
2013-07-04 02:42:10 AM  

skinink: Approves of these women.
[drmichaelrouff.com image 500x500]


He does too

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-04 03:05:32 AM  
I could see this as a wacky USA summer series, or perhaps a darkly comedic bent on Showtime.
 
2013-07-04 03:23:52 AM  

justoneznot: This just goes to show that licensing keeps prices highly elevated, when those with less training willing to work for less money can do practically the same work for much less. They crossed the line trying to do things like root canals, but if they would have stuck to basic dentistry it probably would have worked out just fine.

I have a suspicion that 90% of what doctors/dentists do could be done by someone with much less training who are willing to work for much less. They go to expensive schooling for many years, which then justifies their high salary and high prices later. Do you really think a 1 or 2 year training curriculum couldn't be created that would teach and prepare people for much of what doctors get paid so much to do every day? More practical training, not just sitting in a classroom memorizing names of diseases.

Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.


I think the consumer should be allowed to choose, if you want low risk and legal protection, pay the higher price. These two were offering a needed service to people who couldn't pay the higher price, albeit risky and the clients apparently had no better options, which is something the government should try to address.
 
2013-07-04 04:18:22 AM  
I like women that do things in my mouth
 
2013-07-04 04:38:40 AM  

gadian: Dental care is too damned expensive these days anyways.  Last teeth cleaning I had, the dentist's office charged my insurance over $300 and hit me up for cash while I was there.  Just a cleaning, nothing fancy.  My braces cost over 7k and I'd been embarrassed enough about my teeth for 30 years to not blink while signing that receipt.  I see why the dental schools have wait lists for discounted services by students and why someone really desperate wouldn't look too closely at the name of the certificate hanging on the wall.  I think dental care should be considered regular healthcare as far as this whole Affordable Care thing goes.


Agreed.

In all seriousness, I had better coverage under freaking Tricare than I do now under Lordfortuna's insurance. Granted they didn't cover 100% for non-silver fillings, but considering I just shelled out ~$150 ON TOP of insurance for a 'deep cleaning', I can't help feeling like leaving the military (and thus their dental insurance) was the worse choice. Tricare did cover like 75% of my wisdom teeth removal, and I shudder to think what this other company might have forced me into.

I'm also pretty sure this dentist clinic factory survives on add-on sales. I never once needed the 'antibacterial rinse' after the cleaning, so there was $12 I could have saved...
 
2013-07-04 06:34:54 AM  

LindenFark: feckingmorons: Rie: "while unqualified to do none of it. "

So what's the problem here?

It is a double negative. While qualified to do none of it, or while unqualified to do any of it are fine, but what is in the article is rubbish.

You missed Rie's point. For none of the procedures are they unqualified, therefore they are qualified for all the procedures, therefore there is no problem.


jokes are so much funnier when they've been explained
 
2013-07-04 06:46:38 AM  
DubtodaIll:
Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.

I think the consumer should be allowed to choose, if you want low risk and legal protection, pay the higher price. These two were offering a needed service to people who couldn't pay the higher price, albeit risky and the clients apparently had no better options, which is something the government should try to address.


Nnnnnno. Definitely should address the problem of no better options, but it is way to easy to do drastic harm in dentistry with very little oops. I wouldn't be surprised if they did their "patients" far more harm than good. Heck, my regular dentist won't even give a definitive answer on the possible need for a root canal, but sends me and my X-rays to the specialist, and here these jokers are just cutting away, possibly on the wrong tooth at that.
 
2013-07-04 07:02:20 AM  

justoneznot: This just goes to show that licensing keeps prices highly elevated, when those with less training willing to work for less money can do practically the same work for much less. They crossed the line trying to do things like root canals, but if they would have stuck to basic dentistry it probably would have worked out just fine.

I have a suspicion that 90% of what doctors/dentists do could be done by someone with much less training who are willing to work for much less. They go to expensive schooling for many years, which then justifies their high salary and high prices later. Do you really think a 1 or 2 year training curriculum couldn't be created that would teach and prepare people for much of what doctors get paid so much to do every day? More practical training, not just sitting in a classroom memorizing names of diseases.

Of course, I understand why we need licensing. But at the same time, a lot of it seems rigged, unnecessary, and keeps prices artificially high.


This in a thread about a dental assistants. See also: nurses, dental hygenists, etc etc...
 
2013-07-04 07:46:55 AM  
Dentist toothyologist.
 
2013-07-04 07:47:38 AM  
You notice a 'dental hygienist' does all the work of a cleaning and then a dentist comes in to say "Oh yep yep, looks good, you should floss more."

If all you want is a cleaning.. why should you have to pay for a dentist?

Also, protip: the 6 month interval of cleaning is to make their job easier (less elbow grease to get plaque off), you can easily go every year or even every other year.  Shhh, don't tell any one.
 
2013-07-04 08:06:56 AM  
www.bayareasportsguy.com

Whatley!
 
2013-07-04 08:09:39 AM  

Rie: "while unqualified to do none of it. "

So what's the problem here?




THIS
 
2013-07-04 08:41:34 AM  
wonder if there'd be a legal issue if it was two men doing this
Because, you know, Martha Stewart vs Congress sorta thing
juuuuuust wondering.
 
2013-07-04 08:49:45 AM  

lewismarktwo: You notice a 'dental hygienist' does all the work of a cleaning and then a dentist comes in to say "Oh yep yep, looks good, you should floss more."

If all you want is a cleaning.. why should you have to pay for a dentist?

Also, protip: the 6 month interval of cleaning is to make their job easier (less elbow grease to get plaque off), you can easily go every year or even every other year. Shhh, don't tell any one.


There are entire libraries written about what you do not know.

Because a dental hygenist is a pure technician, not a diagnostician or clinician. They perform a set number of tasks assigned to them under their skills list, and that's it. They do not perform any kind of assessment or interpret any clinical findings.

The Dentist actually comes in, performs a medical examination with around 9 years of clinical training and hard academic knowledge behind them, and says "Okay, I don't see anything that is going to kill you, cause your teeth to rot out, or cause you immense pain and suffering." and then okays you to go.

/anyone who thinks a dentist just cleans your teeth is silly.
//Still hate going to them. Pharmacology helps. Mmm. Versed.
 
2013-07-04 09:24:56 AM  
Is it safe?

www.computerweekly.com
 
Rat
2013-07-04 09:49:52 AM  
I decided to leave and go to California, so I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch

© on fire thanks to mr wright
 
2013-07-04 09:59:14 AM  
I didn't know we were explaining headlines at the end of our headlines now.
 
2013-07-04 09:59:48 AM  
I know of at least four places where this would be impossible in Ohio. Every other office i go into, only the office manager would be the one who might notice the supplies being over/under, not the dentist. The majority of dentists i see never ever touch the ordering, they come in, see patients, go home. Ask the manager if they are turning a profit, what are the production goals, etc. Details like ordering and inventory are someone elses job.

Depending on the profits, i would not be surprised if the agreement was, ok girls do your thing, i get a %, but if you get caught its all on you. Keep things on a cash basis, and who would find out?

Also they can strike taking x-rays off the risky list if they are digital, and have been calibrated for dosage, but thats a state thing in Ohio, not sure in PA.
 
2013-07-04 10:11:45 AM  

hardinparamedic: lewismarktwo: You notice a 'dental hygienist' does all the work of a cleaning and then a dentist comes in to say "Oh yep yep, looks good, you should floss more."

If all you want is a cleaning.. why should you have to pay for a dentist?

Also, protip: the 6 month interval of cleaning is to make their job easier (less elbow grease to get plaque off), you can easily go every year or even every other year. Shhh, don't tell any one.

There are entire libraries written about what you do not know.

Because a dental hygenist is a pure technician, not a diagnostician or clinician. They perform a set number of tasks assigned to them under their skills list, and that's it. They do not perform any kind of assessment or interpret any clinical findings.

The Dentist actually comes in, performs a medical examination with around 9 years of clinical training and hard academic knowledge behind them, and says "Okay, I don't see anything that is going to kill you, cause your teeth to rot out, or cause you immense pain and suffering." and then okays you to go.

/anyone who thinks a dentist just cleans your teeth is silly.
//Still hate going to them. Pharmacology helps. Mmm. Versed.


You are such a tool bag.  Nothing you wrote even contradicted what I wrote.  I'm glad you think you know everything, but do fark off.
 
2013-07-04 10:26:10 AM  
I actually didn't expect their business to be in the dentistry field at all.  I blame years of Fark, and chronic masturbation for this.

/So where are the photos of sexy dental hygenists?
 
2013-07-04 03:04:44 PM  

lewismarktwo: You are such a tool bag.  Nothing you wrote even contradicted what I wrote.  I'm glad you think you know everything, but do fark off.


There's a lot I don't know. The difference between you and I is that A) I understand the English Language and you, apparently, don't - namely being able to compare and contrast between something you said (gross oversimplification, insultingly so) and something I said (not a gross oversimplification that is insulting), and B) You've earned that mocking sarcasm from being a drive-by, right winged threadshiatter over the entirety you've had that login by posting things that are easily debunked from a cursory google search.
 
2013-07-04 03:21:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: lewismarktwo: You are such a tool bag.  Nothing you wrote even contradicted what I wrote.  I'm glad you think you know everything, but do fark off.

There's a lot I don't know. The difference between you and I is that A) I understand the English Language and you, apparently, don't - namely being able to compare and contrast between something you said (gross oversimplification, insultingly so) and something I said (not a gross oversimplification that is insulting), and B) You've earned that mocking sarcasm from being a drive-by, right winged threadshiatter over the entirety you've had that login by posting things that are easily debunked from a cursory google search.


I thought all he wrote was that if you just want a cleaning, the dentist has nothing to do with just a cleaning. He never said a dentist just cleans your teeth. He said the dentist just comes in at the end to inspect your teeth.

Unless you were just trying to pick a fight by claiming he said the opposite of what he said because he's a bad man, in that case I apologise, please proceed with your fight thing.
 
2013-07-04 03:22:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: lewismarktwo: You are such a tool bag.  Nothing you wrote even contradicted what I wrote.  I'm glad you think you know everything, but do fark off.

There's a lot I don't know. The difference between you and I is that A) I understand the English Language and you, apparently, don't - namely being able to compare and contrast between something you said (gross oversimplification, insultingly so) and something I said (not a gross oversimplification that is insulting), and B) You've earned that mocking sarcasm from being a drive-by, right winged threadshiatter over the entirety you've had that login by posting things that are easily debunked from a cursory google search.


Lols, it thinks I'm right winged.
Why did you capitalize 'Language'?
I don't think you know what threadshiatting is.  For an example see a certain life extension aficionado.

As for this thread all I said was that you don't need a dentist in order to get a teeth cleaning.  This is a fact.  You can't google it into not being a fact.  You also don't need a cleaning every six months.  This is also a fact, though I'm sure you could find some literature espousing the wondrous benefits of getting constant checkups.

I think it's great you're a medic and all but it doesn't make you an expert on all things medical.
 
2013-07-04 04:01:47 PM  

lewismarktwo: As for this thread all I said was that you don't need a dentist in order to get a teeth cleaning.  This is a fact.  You can't google it into not being a fact.  You also don't need a cleaning every six months.  This is also a fact, though I'm sure you could find some literature espousing the wondrous benefits of getting constant checkups.


No. Actually, what you said was this:

lewismarktwo: You notice a 'dental hygienist' does all the work of a cleaning and then a dentist comes in to say "Oh yep yep, looks good, you should floss more."

If all you want is a cleaning.. why should you have to pay for a dentist?


In and of it's self, that's not a bad question, even though it's kind of understating what a dentist does, and not understanding what a Dental Tech does.

In a thread on people in trouble with the law because they were practicing dentistry without a license, and were operating an illegal medical practice with no physician oversight, on the other hand, it becomes purposefully obtuse and borders on concern trolling. Especially when that clinic openly advertises its self as a dental practice under the direction of a licensed doctor of dentistry.

If that's not what you intended to convey, I apologize for going off on you.

People who are not trained or licensed, performing unsupervised medical procedures and practicing medicine on citizens who expect a minimum level of education, competency, and safety to be maintained. Do you honestly not see the issue here?

lewismarktwo: I think it's great you're a medic and all but it doesn't make you an expert on all things medical.


This has nothing to do with "medical things", per say. I would never claim to be "an expert" in dentistry, anyway. This has nothing to do with me, even. It has to do with state and federal laws, and the reason we have them. There's a reason a Paramedic (since you dragged my profession into this) can't open a mobile clinic, and a reason why a dental hygienist/technician cannot operate without a dentist coming in behind them.

lewismarktwo: Lols, it thinks I'm right winged.


Sorry. FARK Libertarian. If you prove me wrong, I'll happily apologize. I rank calling someone right-winged wrongly up there with saying various racist epithets.
 
2013-07-04 04:21:23 PM  
Ok, you win and your dick is bigger too.
 
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