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(Huffington Post)   For those of you who were waiting for the Arizona firefighters' death to be blamed on the sequester, wait no more   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 108
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2013-07-05 06:27:36 AM  
clowncar on fire (favorite: s/clowncar/pants/): foo monkey: Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.

So is this partisan poop you just pulled out of your ass or have you got some sort of citation to go along with that?


Citation?  Every God damned thing the Publicans say and do backs this up.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 08:08:49 AM  

feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa to insult them on their laws and religious beliefs.


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DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 08:12:19 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.


*yawn*
 
2013-07-05 08:47:43 AM  

feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa hurr durr burr....


Survey says...

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2013-07-05 10:03:17 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa hurr durr burr....

Survey says...

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Dude, you can't use a Family Feud reference here. "Survey says," not "facts say." In any survey of Americans, you'll get a substantial number of morons. You'll never get an "X" for even the most retarded of statements if the subject is covered by Fox News.
 
2013-07-05 10:41:59 AM  
Why fight the fires? The national government should not be in the job of saving those people. They should just let it burn and allow those rugged individualists to either save themselves, get out of the way, or die in a fire. How else are they going to learn to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
 
2013-07-05 11:48:19 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Why fight the fires? The national government should not be in the job of saving those people. They should just let it burn and allow those rugged individualists to either save themselves, get out of the way, or die in a fire. How else are they going to learn to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?


Or move somewhere safe, like New Orleans or New Jersey.
 
2013-07-05 12:14:22 PM  
Took heed of prior posts, DNRTFA. I got the gist.

The Numbers: Seriously though I'm not saying it isn't worth investigating options, but at some point it has to be accepted that this kind of thing just can't be prevented, risk is part of the job.


When wildland firefighters do their shelter training throughout a fire season, it's understood that it's there only to give you a last shot, and that if you're ever caught in a position where you find yourself having to deploy, there's a good chance that you and your crewmates will be seriously injured or killed. It is, as you suggest, simply an inherently dangerous job, and those who take it on have to accept that. Been there, done it.

Have there been successful deployments? Sure. Thankfully, these situations - fatal or not - aren't really that common. That's amazing (and good!), considering the number of wildland fires in the US in the course of a year.

What made me shake my head in the first day or so after the Yarnell tragedy were the derpasoids who were screaming that they should make shelters FIREPROOF, NOW! Well, I hate to tell ya, but there isn't much that will protect human flesh, airways, or anything else from superheated gases and flame of upwards of 1400 degrees in a firestorm like that. Winds in a firestorm can be comparable to a tornado, and the fire sucks all the oxygen out of the ambient air. That wind shift on the Yarnell fire triggered a firestorm right out of the bowels of hell.

In the end, I don't think it will matter what the crew possibly did right or wrong, or to what or whom the investigation points a finger; I think the crew just had the incredibly bad luck to be in the absolute wrong place when things went to sh*t.

//preliminary report should be out by Monday, official investigation released in 60 days
///there but for the grace of God go I
 
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