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2013-07-03 11:50:57 PM
Subby do you have an article that connects the Yarnell tragedy to the sequester? Because this one certainly does not.
 
2013-07-03 11:54:46 PM
I mean, it even said the opposite.

"When we have emergencies burning, the U.S. government will continue to spend money on firefighting, even if they don't have the money,"

Officials said the across-the-board cuts have had no direct impact on the 110 Hotshot crews around the country, the highly trained units based mostly in the West who respond to the worst wildfires. Most are financed and trained by the Fire Service and some by the Interior Department, but a handful - like the Arizona crew whose members died - are run locally.

"I don't know of any Hotshot crew that's been disbanded or not filled or been mothballed because of the sequester,"
said Tom Nichols, division chief for fire and aviation management of the National Park Service, a part of the Interior Department. "Because they really are our first line and our elite line for dealing with wildfires."
 
2013-07-03 11:59:03 PM
how many forest service and interior department management level drones will get a bonus this year, sequestration be damned?
 
2013-07-03 11:59:14 PM
That's isn't what the article is implying.  Instead, the argument is that fire risk reduction overall is taking a hit because of the sequester, because firefighting funds are being transferred from fire prevention programs.  Still, linking the two in the same article is disingenuous at best, particularly if you have to include this line:

Officials said the across-the-board cuts have had no direct impact on the 110 Hotshot crews around the country, the highly trained units based mostly in the West who respond to the worst wildfires.

A fire that killed 19 firefighters in minutes would just as easily kill 22 firefighters.

I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics.  I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.
 
2013-07-04 12:42:02 AM
That's a pretty loose definition of "blame"
 
2013-07-04 01:58:32 AM
Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa to insult them on their laws and religious beliefs.
 
2013-07-04 02:08:22 AM
Is everything political?

Piss on their graves while you are at it you farking ghouls.
 
2013-07-04 02:13:02 AM
Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?
 
2013-07-04 02:18:59 AM

gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?


Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.
 
2013-07-04 02:24:24 AM
troll troll troll your boat...
 
2013-07-04 02:28:15 AM
Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.
 
2013-07-04 02:29:47 AM
Whatever the reason was, the Republican Congress are still stupid shiatheads who allowed the government to default because they were too partisan posturing to agree to what frankly were already center-right leaning political proposals in the first place.
 
2013-07-04 02:46:55 AM
Instead, they draw money from other parts of their budgets, which could include programs for removing dried brush and dead trees from dry areas to make future fires less likely and less intense.

Sound like there could be a connection to me.

Just to be safe, though, I think I'll blame global warming.
 
2013-07-04 02:51:25 AM
You couldn't merge this troll headline with a global warming troll headline and maybe a little Benghazi, trollmins?

Falling-down careless drunk already, before the holiday weekend's even started.

Sad.


/that I'm already having to play catchup *hic*
 
2013-07-04 02:54:09 AM
I was not aware that the sequester could cause sudden unexpected shifts in wind direction

So first it was climate change and now its sequester... What other hot button political item can we get somebody to run forward screaming about in the wake of a tragedy?

Alternately I know it would somehow be Bush's fault if he were in office now, since everything that happened at every level across the country was always his fault.
 
2013-07-04 02:59:28 AM

BuckTurgidson: You couldn't merge this troll headline with a global warming troll headline and maybe a little Benghazi, trollmins?

Falling-down careless drunk already, before the holiday weekend's even started.

Sad.


/that I'm already having to play catchup *hic*


Looks like a slow night overall.. unfortunate for us 3rd shift workers.
 
2013-07-04 03:01:01 AM
"They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.
 
2013-07-04 03:03:18 AM

randomjsa: I was not aware that the sequester could cause sudden unexpected shifts in wind direction

So first it was climate change and now its sequester... What other hot button political item can we get somebody to run forward screaming about in the wake of a tragedy?

Alternately I know it would somehow be Bush's fault if he were in office now, since everything that happened at every level across the country was always his fault.



Do you always see into an alternate world when you go off your meds, libby?

The sequester directly affects the status of bills that tackle federal funding. You know, funding for brush removal and funding for fire departments. Funding that, if not passed, could require cutbacks to specialist teams like the guys that were killed. Cutbacks like maybe only having one guy serving as lookout over the fire line instead of 2. You, know, stuff like that.

Now, go find another cross to jump on. I'm sure you can think up another reason liberals are responsible for you being a failure.
 
2013-07-04 03:12:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.


Damn you!

/New keyboard, now.
 
2013-07-04 03:17:53 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That's a pretty loose definition of "blame"


Thanks, Obama
 
2013-07-04 03:18:18 AM
Republicans cause global warming.

Global warming causes bad fires.

Bad fires hurt & kill people.

If "A" leads to "B" and "B" leads to "C" and "C" leads to "D," then "A" leads to "D."

STUDY IT OUT.
 
2013-07-04 03:32:09 AM
I feel bad those firefighters died.  However, they knew that was a risk when they took that job. I've had to cut my spending at least 5% over the last year so, it doesn't bother me that they've had to do the same.  That's what I have to live with, that's what they have to live with.

RIP firefighter dudes.
 
2013-07-04 03:43:16 AM
Bigdogdaddy:

I feel bad those firefighters died

A breakthrough!

That's what I have to live with

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.

Put those feet up, maybe a heating pad for the gout.
 
2013-07-04 04:01:05 AM

Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.


Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.
 
2013-07-04 04:15:19 AM

BuckTurgidson:
Bigdogdaddy:

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.


See, what happened here is, I drank a lot of liquor, got mixed up, and then was a complete dick on the Internet.

I take it back, I'm sorry, have a fun and safe holiday weekend, and you can punch me in the mug when so ever we should meet..
 
2013-07-04 04:17:17 AM

MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.


You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-04 04:27:22 AM
photo.goodreads.com

Sobering place to go, too.
 
2013-07-04 05:16:11 AM

rewind2846: MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.

You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?


Liberal mantra right there. 2 days to "read" a 1000 pages of legal documents.

Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise. English law was even predicated on an average person being able to read and understand the laws... imagine that!

When a decent percentage of a bill consists of loopholes or kickbacks... it is a bad law. What does travel advertising have to do with immigration reform.
 
2013-07-04 05:26:26 AM

Lsherm: I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics. I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.


Drones. Clearly what we need here are more drones.

Seriously though I'm not saying it isn't worth investigating options, but at some point it has to be accepted that this kind of thing just can't be prevented, risk is part of the job.
 
2013-07-04 05:53:16 AM
Hey Subby,

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2013-07-04 05:55:24 AM

Maturin: Hey Subby,

[lh5.ggpht.com image 705x344]


Some may have to read that picture to Subby.  :P
 
2013-07-04 06:00:10 AM
Oh, I thought it was because of the homos.
 
2013-07-04 06:31:44 AM
In the midst of all this, spare a thought for the survivor of the Granite Mt. Hotshots...a 21 year old firefighter who was the lookout that day, who had just called his 19 other brothers to tell them the fire had turned, he could see it from the ridge where he was posted, and he was getting the hell out of there. A few minutes later, they were all dead except for him.

Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers, and if not, give him whatever mental support you can. And hope he's not another survivor like the ones we don't hear about from Oklahoma City and 9/11 who let the political bickering pass them by.
 
2013-07-04 07:33:11 AM

MyRandomName: Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise.


Now I know you's trollin'. Lemme 'splain' something... out here in the real world we have these creatures called "lawyers". These lawyers have nothing to do all day but look for loopholes in laws so that they can get the people who are paying them out of jail, a reduced or eliminated fine, denial of guilt, and so on. This means that a law must be written to cover EVERY SINGLE HAPPENSTANCE AND LOOPHOLE, and sometimes that takes a lot of words. Sometimes big ones with lots of syllables.

So if a law has to be written to cover every single thing that a lawyer can think of to get around it, it may contain many pages and words. Think of it like building a fence to keep the dog in, but building it high enough so that they can't jump, putting barbed wire on it so they can't climb, and burying it three feet underground so they can't dig under it.

As long as there are people who are willing to use the law to get around the law, the law must anticipate what those people will do. Now if you're just too damn lazy to read the law, then sucks to be you.

Most laws and bills are understandable for the average Joe or Jane with a high school education, but what conservatives want is something that won't tax their already overworked brains to their limits, sound bites that are easily digestible - never mind that they are wrong or only tell part of the story - as long as they don't have to think too much. The popularity of the FoxNews Channel, along with the countless "reality" shows that pass for entertainment on television, are a testament to this stupidity and sloth. If the idea can't be summed up in five words or less, pop go the synapses.

Also, you do realize that the printed text of most bills and laws is double or triple spaced, right? With huge gaps? And that usually increases the page count (at 12 point type) up to 150% or more? Makes it easier to read, too. Study it out.
 
2013-07-04 07:33:34 AM
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Bravo, subby, bravo.
 
2013-07-04 07:41:32 AM

whidbey: Whatever the reason was, the Republican Congress are still stupid shiatheads who allowed the government to default


The government didn't default.
 
2013-07-04 07:57:26 AM
The sequester created the NSA.
 
2013-07-04 07:57:27 AM

MyRandomName: rewind2846: MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.

You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?

Liberal mantra right there. 2 days to "read" a 1000 pages of legal documents.

Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise. English law was even predicated on an average person being able to read and understand the laws... imagine that!

When a decent percentage of a bill consists of loopholes or kickbacks... it is a bad law. What does travel advertising have to do with immigration reform.


lol, I think ALL of the trolls are already drunk.
 
2013-07-04 08:07:11 AM

BuckTurgidson: BuckTurgidson:
Bigdogdaddy:

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.

See, what happened here is, I drank a lot of liquor, got mixed up, and then was a complete dick on the Internet.

I take it back, I'm sorry, have a fun and safe holiday weekend, and you can punch me in the mug when so ever we should meet..


But if you beat my head against the ground I'm going to shoot you.
Let's cover all the bases.
 
2013-07-04 08:19:41 AM
I'm kind of surprised that no one has found a way to blame it on Obama. Yet.
 
2013-07-04 08:32:24 AM
Obamacare teamed up with Aaron Hernandez and killed them. Everyone knows that
 
2013-07-04 08:55:08 AM

salvador.hardin: I'm kind of surprised that no one has found a way to blame it on Obama. Yet.


oh, they will.
 
2013-07-04 09:02:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: In the midst of all this, spare a thought for the survivor of the Granite Mt. Hotshots...a 21 year old firefighter who was the lookout that day, who had just called his 19 other brothers to tell them the fire had turned, he could see it from the ridge where he was posted, and he was getting the hell out of there. A few minutes later, they were all dead except for him.

Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers, and if not, give him whatever mental support you can. And hope he's not another survivor like the ones we don't hear about from Oklahoma City and 9/11 who let the political bickering pass them by.


Jesus, I didn't know about that. That's messed up. Poor guy.
 
2013-07-04 09:20:04 AM
Or maybe they could turn to private loggers to haul out trees from overpopulated areas thus helping reduce the potential of large fires.
 
2013-07-04 09:41:28 AM
If only they yelled cut before the car went off the cliff, those actors would be alive today.
 
2013-07-04 09:46:44 AM
Wow, subby can't read.

Also, this is a major problem because you already have bootstrappy states like Colorado, Texas and Arizona slashing their firefighting budgets, and then when their entire state is on fire and the pray for rain strategy of firefighting isn't working out, they bootstrap themselves to the federal government and beg for help.
 
2013-07-04 10:03:23 AM
Just for the record, sequester was Obummer's Idea. True, the republicans took a stupid pill and went along, but Obummer was the one who originally suggested it.

On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.

son, I am disappoint.
 
2013-07-04 10:10:34 AM

infidelic: Just for the record, sequester was Obummer's Idea. True, the republicans took a stupid pill and went along, but Obummer was the one who originally suggested it.

On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.

son, I am disappoint.


blaming the sequester on Obama is dishonest.  Obama suggested it because the GOP was about to allow us to default on our obligations.  It was meant to be bad enough that no one would allow it to happen.  Then the repubs blocked every attempt to hold it off.  The republicans are fully responsible for the sequester, it's part of their general strategy to dampen or stop economic recovery.

/guess how I know subby is conservative.
 
2013-07-04 10:28:58 AM
Couldn't read the article. Earplugs are missing, and the loading time for the two competing auto play videos that is HuffPosts signanture is too much. That said.

Of course it's the sequester.

Why the Republicans didn't just claim that fire fighters were like Planned Parenthood and should receive no funds ever is an oversight on their part.

They could have included mandatory dead peasant insurance on all firefighters and cops killed in the line and funded their caucus' extreme appetite for hookers, boys and blow for years to come.
 
2013-07-04 10:31:37 AM

infidelic: On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.


I think we can safely say that some of us have seen this biology stuff while we were in vetrinary school and we have a pretty good idea of how it probably works. But doesn't this belong in a thread about the effect of the sequester on sex ed calsses?
 
2013-07-04 11:03:26 AM

jcooli09: blaming the sequester on Obama is dishonest. Obama suggested it because the GOP was about to allow us to default on our obligations. It was meant to be bad enough that no one would allow it to happen. Then the repubs blocked every attempt to hold it off. The republicans are fully responsible for the sequester, it's part of their general strategy to dampen or stop economic recovery.


Something tells me the poster you're responding to really doesn't care about honesty.
 
2013-07-04 11:15:07 AM
jcooli09:

first you say:  blaming the sequester on Obama is dishonest.

Then in the very next sentence you say:  Obama suggested it

Okay, so the GOP and the Dems went with something that Obama suggested.  And you want to claim that you can't blame Obama?

WUT?
 
2013-07-04 11:19:43 AM
Trolltastic article.  The author isn't blaming anything...just asking questions.
 
2013-07-04 11:47:51 AM
The author is obviously a Republican. I can tell because he* is happy that those 19 firefighters died. He* is happy because this gave him an idea for an article which stupid people* will take as evidence that the deaths are Obama's fault.

*All Republicans

/ Happy Independence day, you ignorant, jingoistic, bloodthirsty pigfarkers.
 
2013-07-04 12:11:54 PM

The Numbers: Drones. Clearly what we need here are more drones.


You know, firefighting drones might be able to fly lower and make higher-risk runs, especially to save firefighters. You might be onto something.
 
2013-07-04 12:12:48 PM

ghare: Oh, I thought it was because of the homos.


www.bitlogic.com

(Ever notice how God mostly seems to target red states when He's angry about the gays?)
 
2013-07-04 12:14:22 PM
No, no.  They're deaths are suppose to be caused by overturning DOMA and Prop 8.
 
2013-07-04 12:17:12 PM

rewind2846: Now I know you's trollin'. Lemme 'splain' something... out here in the real world we have these creatures called "lawyers". These lawyers have nothing to do all day but look for loopholes in laws so that they can get the people who are paying them out of jail, a reduced or eliminated fine, denial of guilt, and so on. This means that a law must be written to cover EVERY SINGLE HAPPENSTANCE AND LOOPHOLE, and sometimes that takes a lot of words. Sometimes big ones with lots of syllables.


You know, when I started to read this, I thought you were going to say something along the lines of,

"Listen and understand: lawyers are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. These lawyers have nothing to do all day but look for loopholes in laws so that they can get the people who are paying them out of jail, a reduced or eliminated fine, denial of guilt, and so on. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until your "law" is a complicated morass of multisyllabic words."
 
2013-07-04 12:32:08 PM
It's good to know that Obama is vacationing in Africa.  Thanks sequester.
 
2013-07-04 12:32:32 PM

vygramul: ghare: Oh, I thought it was because of the homos.

[www.bitlogic.com image 800x506]

(Ever notice how God mostly seems to target red states when He's angry about the gays?)


Cuz they're not doin' enough to stop the spread of homoism! o_0
 
2013-07-04 12:46:13 PM

SithLord: vacationing


That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
2013-07-04 12:57:38 PM

foo monkey: Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.


So is this partisan poop you just pulled out of your ass or have you got some sort of citation to go along with that?  Seriously- you political hacks are just noise.
 
2013-07-04 01:00:34 PM
Give my regards to Shields.
/Rip Yarnell
 
2013-07-04 01:03:58 PM

Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.


OK, Mark Russell. You get right on that. ;)
 
2013-07-04 01:37:28 PM

clowncar on fire: foo monkey: Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.

So is this partisan poop you just pulled out of your ass or have you got some sort of citation to go along with that?  Seriously- you political hacks are just noise.


Your funny bone broke?   This is funny cause Pubs are obsessed with nonsense and blame everything on ridiculous crap.  Want a citation on that?  Google douchebag Republican ideas and I'm sure you'll find plenty of proof.  (maybe even your picture)
 
2013-07-04 01:43:44 PM
Why can't we just cut that spending that nobody needs and has no negative effect on the economy?
 
2013-07-04 01:44:05 PM
For those of you who were waiting forSubby to clumsily try to repackage the Arizona firefighters' death story as "blamed on the sequester", wait no more.
 
2013-07-04 02:00:50 PM

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.

OK, Mark Russell. You get right on that. ;)


Wasn't The Winds of Sequestration a Herman Wouk novel?
 
2013-07-04 02:25:16 PM
Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.
 
2013-07-04 02:27:21 PM

vygramul: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.

OK, Mark Russell. You get right on that. ;)

Wasn't The Winds of Sequestration a Herman Wouk novel?


No, you're thinking of the children's book Wind in the Sequestration.
 
2013-07-04 02:30:59 PM

jcooli09: infidelic: Just for the record, sequester was Obummer's Idea. True, the republicans took a stupid pill and went along, but Obummer was the one who originally suggested it.

On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.

son, I am disappoint.

blaming the sequester on Obama is dishonest.  Obama suggested it because the GOP was about to allow us to default on our obligations.  It was meant to be bad enough that no one would allow it to happen.  Then the repubs blocked every attempt to hold it off.  The republicans are fully responsible for the sequester, it's part of their general strategy to dampen or stop economic recovery.

/guess how I know subby is conservative.


Guess how I know jcooli09 is a libtard sucking in Obamas teat? And news flash for you... teats don't have pubic hair, so you may want to reconsider swallowing, or not.
 
2013-07-04 02:32:52 PM

give me doughnuts: vygramul: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.

OK, Mark Russell. You get right on that. ;)

Wasn't The Winds of Sequestration a Herman Wouk novel?

No, you're thinking of the children's book Wind in the Sequestration.


I've got it! It was a Hendrix song: The Wind Cries Sequestration.
 
2013-07-04 02:55:36 PM

Bigdogdaddy: I feel bad those firefighters died.  However, they knew that was a risk when they took that job.


And therefore, we should do nothing to aid their families, and do nothing about any of the easily preventable circumstances that led to their deaths.

/Seriously, stop making arguments for complacency, people.
 
2013-07-04 02:59:25 PM

vygramul: give me doughnuts: vygramul: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.

OK, Mark Russell. You get right on that. ;)

Wasn't The Winds of Sequestration a Herman Wouk novel?

No, you're thinking of the children's book Wind in the Sequestration.

I've got it! It was a Hendrix song: The Wind Cries Sequestration.


media.lehighvalleylive.com

The public debt clocks they turn blue tomorrow....
 
2013-07-04 04:28:19 PM

IlGreven: Bigdogdaddy: I feel bad those firefighters died.  However, they knew that was a risk when they took that job.

And therefore, we should do nothing to aid their families, and do nothing about any of the easily preventable circumstances that led to their deaths.

/Seriously, stop making arguments for complacency, people.


And what have you done to stop complacency?
 
2013-07-04 04:51:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.


Did you think of that yourself?
 
2013-07-04 05:02:42 PM

Craptastic: tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.

Did you think of that yourself?


No.
Why do you ask?
 
2013-07-04 05:28:12 PM
Brick-House:

Guess how I know jcooli09 is a libtard sucking in Obamas teat? And news flash for you... teats don't have pubic hair, so you may want to reconsider swallowing, or not.

Shut up, Anne Coulter. Nobody likes you.
 
2013-07-04 05:59:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Craptastic: tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.

Did you think of that yourself?

No.
Why do you ask?


Just wondering where you get such cutting-edge material.
 
2013-07-04 06:01:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.


Maybe if the Republicans would stop doing everything the can to destroy the country out of spite and hate, he wouldn't have had to suggest anything.

/Romneycare: created by Republicans, installed in Massachusetts without a fuss by Romney, decried as Satan's work by Republicans when Obama likes it
//party before country is no way to run things
 
2013-07-04 06:20:20 PM

randomjsa: I was not aware that the sequester could cause sudden unexpected shifts in wind direction

So first it was climate change and now its sequester... What other hot button political item can we get somebody to run forward screaming about in the wake of a tragedy?

Alternately I know it would somehow be Bush's fault if he were in office now, since everything that happened at every level across the country was always his fault.


Awww! You almost made it! Try harder, Tintin. Try again.
 
2013-07-04 06:23:08 PM

Bigdogdaddy: I've had to cut my spending at least 5% over the last year so, it doesn't bother me that they've had to do the same.


But you didn't cut your spending 5% across the board. For example, your mortgage or rent probably stayed the same. So you had to cut more in another part of your budget to make up for it.
 
2013-07-04 06:26:22 PM

snuffy: how many forest service and interior department management level drones will get a bonus this year, sequestration be damned?


You, of course, have no idea if any will. But you'll go ahead and imply that they will.
 
2013-07-04 07:35:56 PM

MyRandomName: rewind2846: MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.

You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?

Liberal mantra right there. 2 days to "read" a 1000 pages of legal documents.


I always get a kick out of this complaint. Bills are double-spaced with huge friggin' margins with tons of headings. 1000 pages of a bill condenses to about 100 single-spaced pages... if that.
 
2013-07-04 07:51:12 PM
FTA: The Forest Service and Interior Department don't stop fighting fires when they drain their firefighting funds. Instead, they draw money from other parts of their budgets, which could include programs for removing dried brush and dead trees from dry areas to make future fires less likely and less intense.

Given that the Yarnell Fire was supposedly on state and private lands, I'm unsure how budget issues with a federal department would apply here, unless the FS and ID issue grants to the state.  Which they shouldn't do.  Arizona can pay for it itself.
 
2013-07-04 09:41:13 PM

The Numbers: Lsherm: I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics. I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.

Drones. Clearly what we need here are more drones.


F*ck yeah! Blow the shiat out of those fires!
 
2013-07-04 10:19:33 PM

Craptastic: tenpoundsofcheese: Craptastic: tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.

Did you think of that yourself?

No.
Why do you ask?

Just wondering where you get such cutting-edge material.


If you wonder about this like that, you probably should try using google (www.google.com).  You can enter a term and it will search and find out where else that term is used.  Best of all it is FREE.

Try it.
 
2013-07-04 10:20:14 PM
oopsie!  "things" not "this".
 
2013-07-04 11:20:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: In the midst of all this, spare a thought for the survivor of the Granite Mt. Hotshots...a 21 year old firefighter who was the lookout that day, who had just called his 19 other brothers to tell them the fire had turned, he could see it from the ridge where he was posted, and he was getting the hell out of there. A few minutes later, they were all dead except for him.

Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers, and if not, give him whatever mental support you can. And hope he's not another survivor like the ones we don't hear about from Oklahoma City and 9/11 who let the political bickering pass them by.


Well agreed Gyrfalcon . . . this must be incomprehensible . . . a la the movie Fearless . . . tricky survivor disorders
 
2013-07-04 11:47:28 PM

fusillade762: The Numbers: Lsherm: I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics. I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.

Drones. Clearly what we need here are more drones.

F*ck yeah! Blow the shiat out of those fires!


Well, it works for oil well fires.  wouldn't work for brush fires, though.
 
2013-07-04 11:52:29 PM

Gyrfalcon: Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers,


I didn't know that you believed in God.
 
2013-07-05 12:19:18 AM

feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa to insult them on their laws and religious beliefs.


OK, I'm sure you're bored, but that's no excuse to descend into blatant fact-free trolling.
 
2013-07-05 01:03:37 AM
No need, i can judge their deaths the result of climate law obstruction by the GOP.
 
2013-07-05 01:09:03 AM

brukmann: No need, i can judge their deaths the result of climate law obstruction by the GOP.


what climate laws were obstructed?

are the dems trying to make climate illegal now?  figures.
 
2013-07-05 01:21:33 AM
Wow subby, you just told. Rushing a news story because you (thought) had a great headline, and it back fires.

But how about the ass who greenlit it? He didn't read the story either. Perhaps the same guy?
You gotta have an in somewhere.

Na na nana!
 
2013-07-05 01:54:16 AM

BuckTurgidson: BuckTurgidson:
Bigdogdaddy:

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.

See, what happened here is, I drank a lot of liquor, got mixed up, and then was a complete dick on the Internet.

I take it back, I'm sorry, have a fun and safe holiday weekend, and you can punch me in the mug when so ever we should meet..


Meh.  Not much of a "nose puncher".  Besides, it's the internet.  Peace.
 
2013-07-05 02:34:16 AM

Stoker: Wow subby, you just GOT told. Rushing a news story because you (thought) had a great headline, and it back fires.

But how about the ass who greenlit it? He didn't read the story either. Perhaps the same guy?
You gotta have an in somewhere.

Na na nana!

-=-
oops, ftfm
 
2013-07-05 02:40:20 AM

Stoker: Stoker: Wow subby, you just GOT told. Rushing a news story because you (thought) had a great headline, and it back fires.

But how about the ass who greenlit it? He didn't read the story either. Perhaps the same guy?
You gotta have an in somewhere.

Na na nana!
-=-
oops, ftfm


Actually, the "ass" that "greenlit" this story is concerned about the Democratic Party's ability to lead the American people.

I mean they already lied about the NSA

DERP DERP DERP DERP

I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN
I'M A LIBERTARIAN
DERPY DERPY DERPY DOOOO
 
2013-07-05 03:01:44 AM
i thought we were blaming it on global warming?
 
2013-07-05 05:37:18 AM
i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-05 06:27:36 AM
clowncar on fire (favorite: s/clowncar/pants/): foo monkey: Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.

So is this partisan poop you just pulled out of your ass or have you got some sort of citation to go along with that?


Citation?  Every God damned thing the Publicans say and do backs this up.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 08:08:49 AM

feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa to insult them on their laws and religious beliefs.


ohyou.jpg
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-05 08:12:19 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Obama never should have threatened to veto efforts to modify the sequester.

This is NOT the change we were hoping for.


*yawn*
 
2013-07-05 08:47:43 AM

feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa hurr durr burr....


Survey says...

i220.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-05 10:03:17 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: feckingmorons: Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa hurr durr burr....

Survey says...

[i220.photobucket.com image 320x240]


Dude, you can't use a Family Feud reference here. "Survey says," not "facts say." In any survey of Americans, you'll get a substantial number of morons. You'll never get an "X" for even the most retarded of statements if the subject is covered by Fox News.
 
2013-07-05 10:41:59 AM
Why fight the fires? The national government should not be in the job of saving those people. They should just let it burn and allow those rugged individualists to either save themselves, get out of the way, or die in a fire. How else are they going to learn to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
 
2013-07-05 11:48:19 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Why fight the fires? The national government should not be in the job of saving those people. They should just let it burn and allow those rugged individualists to either save themselves, get out of the way, or die in a fire. How else are they going to learn to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?


Or move somewhere safe, like New Orleans or New Jersey.
 
2013-07-05 12:14:22 PM
Took heed of prior posts, DNRTFA. I got the gist.

The Numbers: Seriously though I'm not saying it isn't worth investigating options, but at some point it has to be accepted that this kind of thing just can't be prevented, risk is part of the job.


When wildland firefighters do their shelter training throughout a fire season, it's understood that it's there only to give you a last shot, and that if you're ever caught in a position where you find yourself having to deploy, there's a good chance that you and your crewmates will be seriously injured or killed. It is, as you suggest, simply an inherently dangerous job, and those who take it on have to accept that. Been there, done it.

Have there been successful deployments? Sure. Thankfully, these situations - fatal or not - aren't really that common. That's amazing (and good!), considering the number of wildland fires in the US in the course of a year.

What made me shake my head in the first day or so after the Yarnell tragedy were the derpasoids who were screaming that they should make shelters FIREPROOF, NOW! Well, I hate to tell ya, but there isn't much that will protect human flesh, airways, or anything else from superheated gases and flame of upwards of 1400 degrees in a firestorm like that. Winds in a firestorm can be comparable to a tornado, and the fire sucks all the oxygen out of the ambient air. That wind shift on the Yarnell fire triggered a firestorm right out of the bowels of hell.

In the end, I don't think it will matter what the crew possibly did right or wrong, or to what or whom the investigation points a finger; I think the crew just had the incredibly bad luck to be in the absolute wrong place when things went to sh*t.

//preliminary report should be out by Monday, official investigation released in 60 days
///there but for the grace of God go I
 
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