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(Huffington Post)   For those of you who were waiting for the Arizona firefighters' death to be blamed on the sequester, wait no more   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 108
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2013-07-03 11:50:57 PM
Subby do you have an article that connects the Yarnell tragedy to the sequester? Because this one certainly does not.
 
2013-07-03 11:54:46 PM
I mean, it even said the opposite.

"When we have emergencies burning, the U.S. government will continue to spend money on firefighting, even if they don't have the money,"

Officials said the across-the-board cuts have had no direct impact on the 110 Hotshot crews around the country, the highly trained units based mostly in the West who respond to the worst wildfires. Most are financed and trained by the Fire Service and some by the Interior Department, but a handful - like the Arizona crew whose members died - are run locally.

"I don't know of any Hotshot crew that's been disbanded or not filled or been mothballed because of the sequester,"
said Tom Nichols, division chief for fire and aviation management of the National Park Service, a part of the Interior Department. "Because they really are our first line and our elite line for dealing with wildfires."
 
2013-07-03 11:59:03 PM
how many forest service and interior department management level drones will get a bonus this year, sequestration be damned?
 
2013-07-03 11:59:14 PM
That's isn't what the article is implying.  Instead, the argument is that fire risk reduction overall is taking a hit because of the sequester, because firefighting funds are being transferred from fire prevention programs.  Still, linking the two in the same article is disingenuous at best, particularly if you have to include this line:

Officials said the across-the-board cuts have had no direct impact on the 110 Hotshot crews around the country, the highly trained units based mostly in the West who respond to the worst wildfires.

A fire that killed 19 firefighters in minutes would just as easily kill 22 firefighters.

I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics.  I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.
 
2013-07-04 12:42:02 AM
That's a pretty loose definition of "blame"
 
2013-07-04 01:58:32 AM
Yet the cut is still less that Obama's last jaunt to Africa to insult them on their laws and religious beliefs.
 
2013-07-04 02:08:22 AM
Is everything political?

Piss on their graves while you are at it you farking ghouls.
 
2013-07-04 02:13:02 AM
Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?
 
2013-07-04 02:18:59 AM

gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?


Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.
 
2013-07-04 02:24:24 AM
troll troll troll your boat...
 
2013-07-04 02:28:15 AM
Unless they were embryonic firefighters, I don't think the GOP gives a shiat.
 
2013-07-04 02:29:47 AM
Whatever the reason was, the Republican Congress are still stupid shiatheads who allowed the government to default because they were too partisan posturing to agree to what frankly were already center-right leaning political proposals in the first place.
 
2013-07-04 02:46:55 AM
Instead, they draw money from other parts of their budgets, which could include programs for removing dried brush and dead trees from dry areas to make future fires less likely and less intense.

Sound like there could be a connection to me.

Just to be safe, though, I think I'll blame global warming.
 
2013-07-04 02:51:25 AM
You couldn't merge this troll headline with a global warming troll headline and maybe a little Benghazi, trollmins?

Falling-down careless drunk already, before the holiday weekend's even started.

Sad.


/that I'm already having to play catchup *hic*
 
2013-07-04 02:54:09 AM
I was not aware that the sequester could cause sudden unexpected shifts in wind direction

So first it was climate change and now its sequester... What other hot button political item can we get somebody to run forward screaming about in the wake of a tragedy?

Alternately I know it would somehow be Bush's fault if he were in office now, since everything that happened at every level across the country was always his fault.
 
2013-07-04 02:59:28 AM

BuckTurgidson: You couldn't merge this troll headline with a global warming troll headline and maybe a little Benghazi, trollmins?

Falling-down careless drunk already, before the holiday weekend's even started.

Sad.


/that I'm already having to play catchup *hic*


Looks like a slow night overall.. unfortunate for us 3rd shift workers.
 
2013-07-04 03:01:01 AM
"They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.
 
2013-07-04 03:03:18 AM

randomjsa: I was not aware that the sequester could cause sudden unexpected shifts in wind direction

So first it was climate change and now its sequester... What other hot button political item can we get somebody to run forward screaming about in the wake of a tragedy?

Alternately I know it would somehow be Bush's fault if he were in office now, since everything that happened at every level across the country was always his fault.



Do you always see into an alternate world when you go off your meds, libby?

The sequester directly affects the status of bills that tackle federal funding. You know, funding for brush removal and funding for fire departments. Funding that, if not passed, could require cutbacks to specialist teams like the guys that were killed. Cutbacks like maybe only having one guy serving as lookout over the fire line instead of 2. You, know, stuff like that.

Now, go find another cross to jump on. I'm sure you can think up another reason liberals are responsible for you being a failure.
 
2013-07-04 03:12:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: "They call the wind sequestraton" doesn't have the same rhythm, but okay.


Damn you!

/New keyboard, now.
 
2013-07-04 03:17:53 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That's a pretty loose definition of "blame"


Thanks, Obama
 
2013-07-04 03:18:18 AM
Republicans cause global warming.

Global warming causes bad fires.

Bad fires hurt & kill people.

If "A" leads to "B" and "B" leads to "C" and "C" leads to "D," then "A" leads to "D."

STUDY IT OUT.
 
2013-07-04 03:32:09 AM
I feel bad those firefighters died.  However, they knew that was a risk when they took that job. I've had to cut my spending at least 5% over the last year so, it doesn't bother me that they've had to do the same.  That's what I have to live with, that's what they have to live with.

RIP firefighter dudes.
 
2013-07-04 03:43:16 AM
Bigdogdaddy:

I feel bad those firefighters died

A breakthrough!

That's what I have to live with

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.

Put those feet up, maybe a heating pad for the gout.
 
2013-07-04 04:01:05 AM

Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.


Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.
 
2013-07-04 04:15:19 AM

BuckTurgidson:
Bigdogdaddy:

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.


See, what happened here is, I drank a lot of liquor, got mixed up, and then was a complete dick on the Internet.

I take it back, I'm sorry, have a fun and safe holiday weekend, and you can punch me in the mug when so ever we should meet..
 
2013-07-04 04:17:17 AM

MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.


You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?

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2013-07-04 04:27:22 AM
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Sobering place to go, too.
 
2013-07-04 05:16:11 AM

rewind2846: MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.

You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?


Liberal mantra right there. 2 days to "read" a 1000 pages of legal documents.

Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise. English law was even predicated on an average person being able to read and understand the laws... imagine that!

When a decent percentage of a bill consists of loopholes or kickbacks... it is a bad law. What does travel advertising have to do with immigration reform.
 
2013-07-04 05:26:26 AM

Lsherm: I'm not sure what the best answer is to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I suppose you could have a helicopter with a water bucket shadow crews on the ground, but I'm not even sure that's possible because of the intense heat from the fire and the wind patterns, not to mention fueling logistics. I also don't know that one bucket of water would have been enough to save these guys even if they were directly under it when it dropped.


Drones. Clearly what we need here are more drones.

Seriously though I'm not saying it isn't worth investigating options, but at some point it has to be accepted that this kind of thing just can't be prevented, risk is part of the job.
 
2013-07-04 05:53:16 AM
Hey Subby,

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2013-07-04 05:55:24 AM

Maturin: Hey Subby,

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Some may have to read that picture to Subby.  :P
 
2013-07-04 06:00:10 AM
Oh, I thought it was because of the homos.
 
2013-07-04 06:31:44 AM
In the midst of all this, spare a thought for the survivor of the Granite Mt. Hotshots...a 21 year old firefighter who was the lookout that day, who had just called his 19 other brothers to tell them the fire had turned, he could see it from the ridge where he was posted, and he was getting the hell out of there. A few minutes later, they were all dead except for him.

Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers, and if not, give him whatever mental support you can. And hope he's not another survivor like the ones we don't hear about from Oklahoma City and 9/11 who let the political bickering pass them by.
 
2013-07-04 07:33:11 AM

MyRandomName: Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise.


Now I know you's trollin'. Lemme 'splain' something... out here in the real world we have these creatures called "lawyers". These lawyers have nothing to do all day but look for loopholes in laws so that they can get the people who are paying them out of jail, a reduced or eliminated fine, denial of guilt, and so on. This means that a law must be written to cover EVERY SINGLE HAPPENSTANCE AND LOOPHOLE, and sometimes that takes a lot of words. Sometimes big ones with lots of syllables.

So if a law has to be written to cover every single thing that a lawyer can think of to get around it, it may contain many pages and words. Think of it like building a fence to keep the dog in, but building it high enough so that they can't jump, putting barbed wire on it so they can't climb, and burying it three feet underground so they can't dig under it.

As long as there are people who are willing to use the law to get around the law, the law must anticipate what those people will do. Now if you're just too damn lazy to read the law, then sucks to be you.

Most laws and bills are understandable for the average Joe or Jane with a high school education, but what conservatives want is something that won't tax their already overworked brains to their limits, sound bites that are easily digestible - never mind that they are wrong or only tell part of the story - as long as they don't have to think too much. The popularity of the FoxNews Channel, along with the countless "reality" shows that pass for entertainment on television, are a testament to this stupidity and sloth. If the idea can't be summed up in five words or less, pop go the synapses.

Also, you do realize that the printed text of most bills and laws is double or triple spaced, right? With huge gaps? And that usually increases the page count (at 12 point type) up to 150% or more? Makes it easier to read, too. Study it out.
 
2013-07-04 07:33:34 AM
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Bravo, subby, bravo.
 
2013-07-04 07:41:32 AM

whidbey: Whatever the reason was, the Republican Congress are still stupid shiatheads who allowed the government to default


The government didn't default.
 
2013-07-04 07:57:26 AM
The sequester created the NSA.
 
2013-07-04 07:57:27 AM

MyRandomName: rewind2846: MyRandomName: Alphax: gadian: Wait, it's been so long that I'm confused on the scoring.  Which side thinks the sequester stuff is cool right now?

Probably the ones that think that Congress passing the least amount of laws ever is a good thing.

Are we counting individual bills or by total page count? Congress seems dead set only passing bills longer than 1000 pages.

You're not one of those people who judge a bill's worth by the number of pages it contains, are you?
Cause that's a really, really stupid reason... should everything written fit on a bumper sticker?

Liberal mantra right there. 2 days to "read" a 1000 pages of legal documents.

Bills and laws in general should be direct, well defined, and concise. English law was even predicated on an average person being able to read and understand the laws... imagine that!

When a decent percentage of a bill consists of loopholes or kickbacks... it is a bad law. What does travel advertising have to do with immigration reform.


lol, I think ALL of the trolls are already drunk.
 
2013-07-04 08:07:11 AM

BuckTurgidson: BuckTurgidson:
Bigdogdaddy:

That's the important thing for everyone in all this of course; your idlly-rambled lazy-ass feelings.

See, what happened here is, I drank a lot of liquor, got mixed up, and then was a complete dick on the Internet.

I take it back, I'm sorry, have a fun and safe holiday weekend, and you can punch me in the mug when so ever we should meet..


But if you beat my head against the ground I'm going to shoot you.
Let's cover all the bases.
 
2013-07-04 08:19:41 AM
I'm kind of surprised that no one has found a way to blame it on Obama. Yet.
 
2013-07-04 08:32:24 AM
Obamacare teamed up with Aaron Hernandez and killed them. Everyone knows that
 
2013-07-04 08:55:08 AM

salvador.hardin: I'm kind of surprised that no one has found a way to blame it on Obama. Yet.


oh, they will.
 
2013-07-04 09:02:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: In the midst of all this, spare a thought for the survivor of the Granite Mt. Hotshots...a 21 year old firefighter who was the lookout that day, who had just called his 19 other brothers to tell them the fire had turned, he could see it from the ridge where he was posted, and he was getting the hell out of there. A few minutes later, they were all dead except for him.

Knowing firefighters and young men as I do, I fully expect him to eat a bullet before the year is out, next to their graves or on the smoky ruins of that hillside, unless he is getting all kinds of support and reassurance that this was NOT HIS FAULT--and nobody else's fault either except that biatch Mother Nature. If you are of a praying bent, give this young man some prayers, and if not, give him whatever mental support you can. And hope he's not another survivor like the ones we don't hear about from Oklahoma City and 9/11 who let the political bickering pass them by.


Jesus, I didn't know about that. That's messed up. Poor guy.
 
2013-07-04 09:20:04 AM
Or maybe they could turn to private loggers to haul out trees from overpopulated areas thus helping reduce the potential of large fires.
 
2013-07-04 09:41:28 AM
If only they yelled cut before the car went off the cliff, those actors would be alive today.
 
2013-07-04 09:46:44 AM
Wow, subby can't read.

Also, this is a major problem because you already have bootstrappy states like Colorado, Texas and Arizona slashing their firefighting budgets, and then when their entire state is on fire and the pray for rain strategy of firefighting isn't working out, they bootstrap themselves to the federal government and beg for help.
 
2013-07-04 10:03:23 AM
Just for the record, sequester was Obummer's Idea. True, the republicans took a stupid pill and went along, but Obummer was the one who originally suggested it.

On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.

son, I am disappoint.
 
2013-07-04 10:10:34 AM

infidelic: Just for the record, sequester was Obummer's Idea. True, the republicans took a stupid pill and went along, but Obummer was the one who originally suggested it.

On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.

son, I am disappoint.


blaming the sequester on Obama is dishonest.  Obama suggested it because the GOP was about to allow us to default on our obligations.  It was meant to be bad enough that no one would allow it to happen.  Then the repubs blocked every attempt to hold it off.  The republicans are fully responsible for the sequester, it's part of their general strategy to dampen or stop economic recovery.

/guess how I know subby is conservative.
 
2013-07-04 10:28:58 AM
Couldn't read the article. Earplugs are missing, and the loading time for the two competing auto play videos that is HuffPosts signanture is too much. That said.

Of course it's the sequester.

Why the Republicans didn't just claim that fire fighters were like Planned Parenthood and should receive no funds ever is an oversight on their part.

They could have included mandatory dead peasant insurance on all firefighters and cops killed in the line and funded their caucus' extreme appetite for hookers, boys and blow for years to come.
 
2013-07-04 10:31:37 AM

infidelic: On a more important note, I would say I am surprised, but this is fark and most of you guys have never seen a real live naked women, but still not one mention of the article on the right about why men give oral sex to women.


I think we can safely say that some of us have seen this biology stuff while we were in vetrinary school and we have a pretty good idea of how it probably works. But doesn't this belong in a thread about the effect of the sequester on sex ed calsses?
 
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