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(NHL)   Not news: Alex Ovechkin named as First-Team All-Star. News: At right wing. Newsier: Only the second player to be named All-Star at multiple positions. FARK: In the same year   (nhl.com) divider line 28
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2013-07-03 06:57:13 PM
still 0 cups?

hooray ovenchicken
 
2013-07-03 07:11:31 PM
But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?
 
2013-07-03 07:16:36 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?


I'm a Caps fan, and I would say that Ovechkin is a shade over rated. He had a fantastic second half of a shortened season and then kind of stunk on ice in the play offs. He also seems to have been dogging it for a season and a half prior to this year.

Even if I wasn't a caps fan, I'd want to see hm lift a Cup because the White Russian joke gets very old quickly.
 
2013-07-03 07:22:51 PM
It's quite the honour. I'm sure he'll put it on his mantel next to his arsenal of Conn Smythe trophies and Stanley Cup rings.
 
2013-07-03 07:26:30 PM

Ishkur: It's quite the honour. I'm sure he'll put it on his mantel next to his arsenal of Conn Smythe trophies and Stanley Cup rings.


Russians grow up dreaming to win the gold medal at the Olympics, not winning the NHL Stanley Cup.
 
2013-07-03 07:30:21 PM

ontariolightning: Russians grow up dreaming to win the gold medal at the Olympics, not winning the NHL Stanley Cup.


And his dazzling array of Olympic gold medals.
 
2013-07-03 07:33:43 PM
So, are the Pens even going to be able to field a team after the ridiculous contracts given to Malkin and Letang?
 
2013-07-03 07:53:35 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?


He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.  Overall, he's a good player, but he's not a great player.  The great players are guys like Crosby or Bergeron that bring their whole team up to their level, including the defense.
 
2013-07-03 08:27:51 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?


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2013-07-03 09:06:22 PM

flak attack: Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?

He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.


I can't tell if you're describing Ovechkin or Crosby...
 
2013-07-03 09:31:41 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: flak attack: Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?

He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.

I can't tell if you're describing Ovechkin or Crosby...


Probably not the one that had more assists than goals, a top 5 +/-, the 3rd highest postseason points/game and a career faceoff win percentage better than 33%.

There are valid criticisms against Crosby, but calling the guy that led the league in assists/game for the past two seasons a goal scoring one trick pony is a really, really dumb attempt to throw shiat and see what sticks.
 
2013-07-03 09:49:49 PM

flak attack: AdmirableSnackbar: flak attack: Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?

He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.

I can't tell if you're describing Ovechkin or Crosby...

Probably not the one that had more assists than goals, a top 5 +/-, the 3rd highest postseason points/game and a career faceoff win percentage better than 33%.

There are valid criticisms against Crosby, but calling the guy that led the league in assists/game for the past two seasons a goal scoring one trick pony is a really, really dumb attempt to throw shiat and see what sticks.


It is also valid to say that lately he has been a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  Sure, he can still work over young teams with little to no playoff experience, but once he faces teams that understand playoff hockey he disappears from the stat sheet and is only visible on the ice is when he's being a douche after the whistle.  Crosby certainly on his way towards "one trick pony" status and right now it's less of a reach to call him that than to say that he elevates the team, especially defensively.
 
2013-07-03 09:55:42 PM

flak attack: Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?

He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.  Overall, he's a good player, but he's not a great player.  The great players are guys like Crosby or Bergeron that bring their whole team up to their level, including the defense.


Wait, the career 1+  PPG playoff player is a non-factor in the playoffs?  If you'd said Alexander Semin, I'd believe you, but Ovechkin?
 
2013-07-03 09:56:22 PM
Misleading headline is misleading.

Better article about wtf happened here...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426858

Messier was also named 1st Team AS at LW & C. But never in the same year. Even if players move around, which does happen a lot, he can only be listed at 1 for voting purposes. But just like any sport, the writers association for the NHL is mostly morons. Being named to the 1st & 2nd Team AS in the same year is ridiculous.
 
2013-07-03 10:19:48 PM
Bobrovsky is back on the case!
 
2013-07-03 10:41:28 PM
Awesome... Now, if NBC broadcasts a Pitt / Was game, Pierre McGuire isn't going to know which cock to slobber over first.
 
2013-07-03 11:16:50 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?


They both are. I can name twenty players from the last generation who are better than them.
 
2013-07-03 11:19:12 PM
I understand why this us the case, but I find it sad/hilarious that the reigning Art Ross trophy winner did not make it to the first team.
 
2013-07-04 08:23:14 AM

ontariolightning: Ishkur: It's quite the honour. I'm sure he'll put it on his mantel next to his arsenal of Conn Smythe trophies and Stanley Cup rings.

Russians grow up dreaming to win the gold medal at the Olympics, not winning the NHL Stanley Cup.


Back in the mid 90s, that was the reason the Red Wings would never win the Stanley Cup.
 
2013-07-04 10:01:56 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?


I've said it often before that all these awards and accolades, the ones which are voted on and not earned solely on statistical achievements, are nothing more than glorified popularity contests. They're only good for internet arguments and contract negotiations. People speak and act as if the Hart trophy, All-Star voting, etc. are objective indicators that  Player A is superior to  Player B, when they're actually nothing more than a snapshot of institutionally promoted biases of that time.

Compare the level of offensive production relative to the amount of games each player has played, the number of areas in which each player makes positive contributions to the total team effort, the level of competition each player has faced relative to their divisions (basically who faces tougher opponents more often), and, as a product of all that, who has more often been part of a winning team formula, and all this trolling and name calling on the internet fades away quickly.

Aside from his diplomatic immunity to being being called for charges and leaving his feet on hits, Ovechkin's fun to watch. But he also strikes me as the type of one dimensional player who'll be mostly recognized as a paper champion in the court of public opinion.
 
2013-07-04 10:21:50 AM
Dumbass tag for the Professional Hockey Writers Association.  Their leadership put out special memo, likely in big block letters and one syllable words because we all know people like Strachan, Brooks and Dowbiggin wouldn't understand it otherwise, stating that Ovechkin changed positions this year.  And 45 morons still couldn't read.
 
2013-07-04 11:45:39 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: Sure, he can still work over young teams with little to no playoff experience, but once he faces teams that understand playoff hockey he disappears from the stat sheet and is only visible on the ice is when he's being a douche after the whistle. Crosby certainly on his way towards "one trick pony" status


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2013-07-04 12:11:44 PM
Did none of you read the article? Or get subby's joke...

Look closely at the names.
 
2013-07-04 12:20:04 PM

flak attack: Representative of the unwashed masses: But subby, I have been assured by Cindy Crosby fans that Alexander Ovechkin is horrifically over-rated.  Who am I supposed to believe?

He is.  He becomes a non-factor in the playoffs and is a big defensive liability.  He's a one trick pony.  He's (really) good at scoring goals, but he's mediocre at everything else.  Overall, he's a good player, but he's not a great player.  The great players are guys like Crosby or Bergeron that bring their whole team up to their level, including the defense.


He's this generation's Brett Hull.  A Brett Hull who finishes his checks.

I don't like the criticism that he hasn't won a Cup or a Gold Medal though.  Hockey is a team sport, and there are many terrific players who never won it all.  If Washington's management had acquired a better goalie in the past five years, I think they would have had much more playoff success.
 
2013-07-04 01:19:12 PM
Ah, Fark. The only place left on the internet where "crosby vs ovechkin" somehow hasn't long since run its course.
 
2013-07-04 05:10:59 PM
They both suck... Go Landeskog. :P
 
2013-07-04 05:42:59 PM
In other hockey news: The Tyler Seguin era in Boston is over.

http://bit.ly/14Qwdum
 
2013-07-04 07:39:53 PM

Primitive Screwhead: In other hockey news: The Tyler Seguin era in Boston is over.

http://bit.ly/14Qwdum


Thank. You. Kess-le!  lol

I wasn't as surprised as I thought I'd be about that.
Eriksson is a pretty good get, call it a win for now.  If Sequin gets his collective shiat together that might start to go the other way, but he was way overpaid too early, and too fond of the lifestyle that provided...
 
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