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(Fox News)   In this week's installment of war veterans giving something back....A World War II veteran is reportedly on a mission to return a Japanese flag he pulled from the body of a sniper nearly 70 years ago   (foxnews.com) divider line 89
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2013-07-03 09:33:22 PM
maybe they can return the skulls that they've kept all these years too.
 
2013-07-03 09:34:46 PM
That's a nice gesture, but they've probably gotten over it by now.
 
2013-07-03 09:35:17 PM
The orange and white flag, which still has apparent blood stains, was signed by well-wishers in the soldier's hometown of Tago, a Japanese village says no longer exists, the newspaper reports.

The village says it no longer exists?
 
2013-07-03 09:35:57 PM

jsmilky: maybe they can return the skulls that they've kept all these years too.


They collected the skulls on the return to the mainland. My dad was over there and he told me there were collecting anything like that.
 
2013-07-03 09:36:53 PM

fusillade762: The orange and white flag, which still has apparent blood stains, was signed by well-wishers in the soldier's hometown of Tago, a Japanese village says no longer exists, the newspaper reports.

The village says it no longer exists?


It doesn't think therefore it isn't
 
2013-07-03 09:39:17 PM
Hope he succeeds, but yeah, that's a bit of a long wait to try to return something.

Contrast that with this, which really took some balls IMHO.
 
2013-07-03 09:41:08 PM
What part of the body did he pull it from, ew.
 
2013-07-03 09:41:11 PM

Anthracite: My dad was over there and he told me there were collecting anything like that.


Do you write for Fox News too?
 
2013-07-03 09:41:22 PM

jsmilky: maybe they can return the skulls that they've kept all these years too.


And yet the rape of Nanking was just Chinese communist agitprop
 
2013-07-03 09:41:28 PM
nobody cares about it.
 
2013-07-03 09:42:14 PM

fusillade762: The orange and white flag, which still has apparent blood stains, was signed by well-wishers in the soldier's hometown of Tago, a Japanese village says no longer exists, the newspaper reports.

The village says it no longer exists?


It's a ninja village.
 
2013-07-03 09:44:20 PM
The Aurora Beacon-News reports that Ken Udstad, of Aurora, Ill., found the silk flag in the tunic of a soldier who died in a dugout sometime during 1944 or 1945. Udstad, who will turn 92 on Monday, was interviewed by a reporter from a Japanese newspaper in hopes of locating the soldier's family to tell them the soldier died quickly and didn't suffer during a concussion grenade blast.

Here's your frag, I mean, flag.
 
2013-07-03 09:49:45 PM
This looks a lot like a lingering guilty conscience and not an act of honor.
 
2013-07-03 09:51:53 PM
Hello, seventy years ago I shot your esteemed ancestor in the farking face and splattered his brains all over.

Here's some of his stuff. That I stole off his corpse. Yeah that's his blood.

Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.

You're welcome.

/that will go over well
 
2013-07-03 09:59:59 PM
My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.
 
2013-07-03 10:01:12 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.



www.historyplace.com

Not a nuke, by the way.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:12 PM

Red Shirt Blues: My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.


My buddy who lives in Tokyo said he met an older gentleman one day who said to him "The last time I saw an American I was shooting at him." Apparently this was delivered in a very matter-of-fact way.
 
2013-07-03 10:18:54 PM

fusillade762: Red Shirt Blues: My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.

My buddy who lives in Tokyo said he met an older gentleman one day who said to him "The last time I saw an American I was shooting at him." Apparently this was delivered in a very matter-of-fact way.


There are tons of Americans in Tokyo. If the old man was really in Tokyo, I think he's exaggerating.
 
2013-07-03 10:30:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: fusillade762: Red Shirt Blues: My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.

My buddy who lives in Tokyo said he met an older gentleman one day who said to him "The last time I saw an American I was shooting at him." Apparently this was delivered in a very matter-of-fact way.

There are tons of Americans in Tokyo. If the old man was really in Tokyo, I think he's exaggerating.


Or has a thing against ex-pats in Japan.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:31 PM

bugmn99: The Aurora Beacon-News reports that Ken Udstad, of Aurora, Ill., found the silk flag in the tunic of a soldier who died in a dugout sometime during 1944 or 1945. Udstad, who will turn 92 on Monday, was interviewed by a reporter from a Japanese newspaper in hopes of locating the soldier's family to tell them the soldier died quickly and didn't suffer during a concussion grenade blast.

Here's your frag, I mean, flag.


Why u gotta be lacist?
 
2013-07-03 10:36:25 PM

bugmn99: The Aurora Beacon-News reports that Ken Udstad, of Aurora, Ill., found the silk flag in the tunic of a soldier who died in a dugout sometime during 1944 or 1945. Udstad, who will turn 92 on Monday, was interviewed by a reporter from a Japanese newspaper in hopes of locating the soldier's family to tell them the soldier died quickly and didn't suffer during a concussion grenade blast.

Here's your frag, I mean, flag.


Funny, I didn't think concussion grenades came out until later.

I suppose this is better than your ungrateful children getting 10 bucks for it from Pawn Stars, but if it were me I'd just keep it. You farking earned it old man, hang it over the fireplace.
 
2013-07-03 10:37:50 PM

hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.


This just in! War sucks for civilians!
 
2013-07-03 10:44:02 PM

hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.


You know that image is from the Japanese Rape of Nanking right?
 
2013-07-03 10:46:18 PM
Pretty pointless move isn't it?
 
2013-07-03 10:48:18 PM

Medic Zero: hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.

You know that image is from the Japanese Rape of Nanking right?


Yes. He's got to bring it up in every thread about Japan.
 
2013-07-03 10:49:33 PM

Red Shirt Blues: My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.


My step-dad was in the navy from 1940 to 1947, spending the last 5 years in the Aleutians, where his PBY squadron lost 75% of the initial cadre that went up there (and then stayed on after the war to build bases out the island chain to prevent future occurrences). He once told me that we gave no quarter and asked none, and that the Japanese did the same. It was literally a fight to the death every time they met.

Fast forward to the 60's and my parent's timber brokering business in Washington State was being slowly choked to death by the big players. (My dad bought logs from whichever gypo logger was selling that day, and then looked for a buyer.) Then a Japanese log buyer came to our little town, but nobody wanted to sell him logs (a lot of hold-over bitter WW2 vets). I remember my mom and dad talking about needing to do business with this guy, and eventually my dad put on his best suit and went to meet with him one day. That changed everything for us. Turns out he was a Japanese Navy veteran of the war, and he and my dad sort of hit it off.

All through the end of the 70's my folks made bank with that guy and other Japanese log buyers. I still remember my folks taking us kids to meet him once at the local Chinese restaurant (yeah....I know). We had to practice dipping our heads and welcoming him to America. He was pretty standoffish, like my dad...maybe that's why they got along. Anyway, he didn't forget that my dad was the first guy to offer him logs at the standard markup per thousand board feet, and continued to buy from him for years afterwards.

The odd thing is that my dad's best war buddy was in the same business and was really bitter about the Japanese, and wouldn't do business directly with them. Eventually my folks took him on as sort of a charity case, buying logs from him and splitting the markup to keep him in business. The whole family had to go visit him in Aberdeen a couple times a year, and us kids hated it, there being exactly nothing of interest to us in Aberdeen. /CSB
 
2013-07-03 10:51:14 PM
Huh. My wife's grandfather, a Marine, captured a flag on Iwo Jima. He kept it and had no intentions of giving it back. In fact, it's sitting a few feet away from me right now.

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-03 10:53:58 PM

WinoRhino: Huh. My wife's grandfather, a Marine, captured a flag on Iwo Jima. He kept it and had no intentions of giving it back. In fact, it's sitting a few feet away from me right now.

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 850x478]


What an asshole
 
2013-07-03 10:55:43 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: What an asshole


For capturing and keeping and enemy flag? After a shiat ton of his friends were killed in Pearl Harbor and later while trying to take Suribachi? If you say so.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:52 PM

WinoRhino: The All-Powerful Atheismo: What an asshole

For capturing and keeping and enemy flag? After a shiat ton of his friends were killed in Pearl Harbor and later while trying to take Suribachi? If you say so.


Don't worry about it. I'm sure all the Japanese women whose feet aren't purposely mutilated as a child don't mind that he has it.
 
2013-07-03 11:23:05 PM
I just bought a 1943 Mosin Nagant M1981/30. With the bayonet attachment, the thing is almost as tall as me (I'm 6 feet).

I don't think I can return it to the original owner though. He's probably long dead.
 
2013-07-03 11:23:54 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-03 11:25:22 PM
Also would we be feeling all sentimental if it was a Nazi flag being returned to a German family?
 
2013-07-03 11:31:53 PM

big pig peaches: Also would we be feeling all sentimental if it was a Nazi flag being returned to a German family?


Regular Heer or Waffen SS (not the SS Totenkopf), or other actual fighting forces?

See, I don't necessarily have an issue with any of the soldiers as compared to the concentration camp guards.
 
2013-07-03 11:35:18 PM

Stone Meadow: The odd thing is that my dad's best war buddy was in the same business and was really bitter about the Japanese, and wouldn't do business directly with them.


This. I had an uncle who fought the Germans. Farking hated them. Like a Kirk-Khan hate. A friend of my Dads had one word used when talking about the Japanese.......goddamjaps......all one word.
 
2013-07-03 11:35:50 PM

big pig peaches: WinoRhino: The All-Powerful Atheismo: What an asshole

For capturing and keeping and enemy flag? After a shiat ton of his friends were killed in Pearl Harbor and later while trying to take Suribachi? If you say so.

Don't worry about it. I'm sure all the Japanese women whose feet aren't purposely mutilated as a child don't mind that he has it.


Foot binding is a Chinese thing.

jackiechanmybrainisfulloffark.jpg
 
2013-07-03 11:36:12 PM

WinoRhino: Huh. My wife's grandfather, a Marine, captured a flag on Iwo Jima. He kept it and had no intentions of giving it back. In fact, it's sitting a few feet away from me right now.

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 850x478]


Far lefyt of the picture.......togtfo?   I keeeeeed. So solly.
 
2013-07-03 11:39:46 PM

big pig peaches: WinoRhino: The All-Powerful Atheismo: What an asshole

For capturing and keeping and enemy flag? After a shiat ton of his friends were killed in Pearl Harbor and later while trying to take Suribachi? If you say so.

Don't worry about it. I'm sure all the Japanese Chinese women whose feet aren't purposely mutilated as a child don't mind that he has it.


The Japanese frowned upon foot binding.  So did Chinese women.  And the communists, as well.
 
2013-07-03 11:57:36 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: fusillade762: Red Shirt Blues: My Dad was a marine. He did a lot of business in Japan in the late 1960's early 1970's. He thought they were great people. He sort of compartmentalized it. The Japanese he worked with were not the Japanese he fought. Some of his friends who were there were pretty much still filled with rage and hatred.

My buddy who lives in Tokyo said he met an older gentleman one day who said to him "The last time I saw an American I was shooting at him." Apparently this was delivered in a very matter-of-fact way.

There are tons of Americans in Tokyo. If the old man was really in Tokyo, I think he's exaggerating.


Yeah, it wasn't Tokyo. I don't remember where he said it was.
 
2013-07-04 12:04:14 AM
The guy who is doing it probably has the right intentions.  Why is this newsworthy?  I don't farking know.
 
2013-07-04 12:09:38 AM

Medic Zero: hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.

You know that image is from the Japanese Rape of Nanking right?


It's from the Japanese bombing of Shanghai. The Shanghai campaign (1937) occurred before the march on Nanking, and was conducted partially by air. That picture was taken after a heavy fire-bombing in August of 1937.

At least keep your history straight.
 
2013-07-04 12:14:14 AM

Gyrfalcon: Medic Zero: hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.

You know that image is from the Japanese Rape of Nanking right?

It's from the Japanese bombing of Shanghai. The Shanghai campaign (1937) occurred before the march on Nanking, and was conducted partially by air. That picture was taken after a heavy fire-bombing in August of 1937.

At least keep your history straight.


Meh. It's been misused so much, when I went to double check and put "Nanking baby" into google image search I got a page full of that image.
 
2013-07-04 12:18:46 AM

hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Oh and sorry about nuking two of your cities.


[www.historyplace.com image 584x474]

Not a nuke, by the way.


He looked at us funny.
 
2013-07-04 12:29:09 AM

Flt209er: Hope he succeeds, but yeah, that's a bit of a long wait to try to return something.

Contrast that with this, which really took some balls IMHO.


Aww, hell,   That's not fair.  I guess we're all, even our warriors, peaceful at heart.  fark me, that's a hell of a video.
 
2013-07-04 12:29:14 AM
Given that the soldier was probably quite young and likely hadn't had children, I doubt that there's anyone left there who would even know of him. Kinda sad. Should have returned it when his parent's generation was still alive.
 
2013-07-04 12:30:02 AM
Yeah, that sounds worthwhile.
 
2013-07-04 12:57:56 AM
Let's think about this in today's terms - how many Gulf War vets are going to want to return whatever war spoils they managed to smuggle out in 50 or 60 years? Does this type of gesture even make any sense?
 
2013-07-04 01:19:01 AM
Can we send back to Japan all of the cholera and black plague strains the Japanese military gave our POWS at Unit 731?
 
2013-07-04 02:04:34 AM

Elzar: Let's think about this in today's terms - how many Gulf War vets are going to want to return whatever war spoils they managed to smuggle out in 50 or 60 years? Does this type of gesture even make any sense?


Let's think about this in rational terms - how can you equate the Gulf Wars with WWII?  Really, is there any way to draw an equations between them?  Politically, culturally, socially, there simply isn't any way to compare our excursions in the Gulf with WWII.

Or are you simplistically saying "hey, there was a war then, and there's one now, I wonder what if..."  Did you go to Liberty College?  Hey, it's a valid question. I saw a stupid writer from Liberty College once... and you're a stupid writer... so it follows...
 
2013-07-04 02:08:21 AM
After reading the comments in this thread, I thought I somehow stumbled onto Youtube and was in their comment section. Between the "Japanese" foot binding idiot and the people who have no ability to distinguish between the acts of an individual soldier and the political actions of a government who ordered their army to undertake certain actions, it's enough to exasperate.
 
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