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2013-07-03 06:19:05 PM  

museamused: genner: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

Yeah it would have been a tragedy if someone who wasn't a cop shot him.....

Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.


Why would it be assumed that a private citizen could not satisfy this requirement and also that being a cop necessarily fulfills those requirements?
 
2013-07-03 06:19:56 PM  
Good.

/Good.
 
2013-07-03 06:20:58 PM  
"I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just killed her.' I thought, 'she's dead,'" she said.
Is mom an idiot, or what?
 
2013-07-03 06:22:19 PM  

taurusowner: museamused: Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.

...
The myth that police are expert shots just because their job issues them a gun is as false as some office drone being a computer whiz because they were given a desk with a computer.



That's still not really applicable in this situation though. The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.
 
2013-07-03 06:24:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OtherLittleGuy: scottydoesntknow: Were they dealing with a Mangalore?

[matthewturland.com image 480x217]

/Anyone else wanna negotiate?

Also approves:
[www.fanfilmfollies.com image 300x176]

Also approves, wants to know if you're the man who shot his friend:
[www.aceshowbiz.com image 700x465]


LOL. Good call, that was a freakin' awesome scene.
 
2013-07-03 06:26:26 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: JungleBoogie: Liveleak links to the actual videos.

That's gun control.

Sometimes the cops f•ck up epically. Other times, they do really, really good work.

this is actually a paradox. What makes cops giant douches in many ways also make them do 'great work' every once in a while. This is actually a classic example. Someone who is not prone to violence with a hint of psychopathic tendencies and A type personality is not going to simply walk up to a total stranger and point blank shoot him dead in the face even if said stranger is holding a hostage.


You're either a master troll or a master dipshiat.

I'll split the difference and salute you with a size 12 boot in the ass.
 
2013-07-03 06:29:14 PM  

Highroller48: Clearly a typically heinous over-use of force by another Nazi Cop.  I've played 1430 hours of SWAT 3 so I know a little something about this sort of thing!  All he had to do was flashbang the room, jump over a counter and melee the guy with his baton, problem solved.  I mean, give a guy a gun and a badge and he thinks he's a demi-god, going around deciding who lives and who dies.  It's amazing that he could find time between taking bribes and planting evidence to actually show up.  I hope he gets charged with murder.  Disarm the Pigs!!!11eleven!!

(Sorry, the lack of cop-hate in this Fark thread was making me nervous.)

In all seriousness, while the ending is unfortunate, if this cop accomplishes nothing else of significance in his entire career, he will always know that someone's daughter gets to grow up and have a life because he was there to make a difference.  Good for him.


Thanks buddy, that was wierding me out too.

And it's nice to hear something a cop did that turned out about the best that could be hoped for at that point, and was all by the book. They tried to talk him down, he escataled, it's a damn shame but it could have been worse.
 
2013-07-03 06:29:38 PM  

Bokononist: The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.


I doubt the Captain had killed anyone before, so experience is out the window. Conditioned? I'd just call it a gut check. No one knows how they would react until they are in a situation that requires that intestinal fortitude.
 
2013-07-03 06:29:56 PM  
I just want you all to know I am putting all your names and responses in a spreadsheet and correlating them with the cop hate threads. Some time in the future, I will post the results for all to see.
 
2013-07-03 06:30:17 PM  
just walks up to the guy and puts a bullet into him---this is what you get from hiring ex-mob hitmen as police chiefs---efficiency.  in some departments, you would have half the force emptying their guns in the general direction of the bad guy, and may not even score a hit.

think of the cost savings that not only the chief has provided for the department, at the same time saving the taxpayers the cost of prosecution expenses and jail expenses.

way to go, chief!!!  keep up the good work.
 
2013-07-03 06:33:12 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Tenga: He should have just shot the knife out of his hand.

FTA: They negotiated for more than 30 minutes with the suspect, Sammie Wallace, who continued to hold a knife to the toddler's neck

I'm gonna go with "That's a really bad idea".


Well duh, you bank the bullet off the back wall and a shelf and have it knock the blade away from behind.
 
2013-07-03 06:33:14 PM  

johndalek: just walks up to the guy and puts a bullet into him---this is what you get from hiring ex-mob hitmen as police chiefs---efficiency.  in some departments, you would have half the force emptying their guns in the general direction of the bad guy, and may not even score a hit.

think of the cost savings that not only the chief has provided for the department, at the same time saving the taxpayers the cost of prosecution expenses and jail expenses.

way to go, chief!!!  keep up the good work.


You're using 100 lb test line. Ain't gonna get any hits with that. I live with my mom
 
2013-07-03 06:34:00 PM  

Cyno01: "I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just killed her.' I thought, 'she's dead,'" she said.
Is mom an idiot, or what?


Mom is a mother facing the highest stress situation of her life. Nothing in her past has prepared her for this level of stress. She is flooded with adrenaline the likes of which she has never known. Her baby is in mortal danger and she is completely helpless. A shot was fired in the area in which her child is being held at knifepoint.

No. Mom is not an idiot. She is human.
 
2013-07-03 06:34:03 PM  
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2013-07-03 06:35:05 PM  
I don't think the kid needs therapy. She wasn't hurt, and if she was smart for her age then she'd know the guy holding her was bad and deserved to be killed. She might think "Ewww gross, skull pieces, blood, and brain jelly all over the floor! And the smell...yuuuuckkkk... mama I want a big mac!".
 
2013-07-03 06:35:35 PM  

MarkEC: Bokononist: The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.

I doubt the Captain had killed anyone before, so experience is out the window. Conditioned? I'd just call it a gut check. No one knows how they would react until they are in a situation that requires that intestinal fortitude.


You show me a citizen familiarized on the subtleties of lunatics and criminals confidently enough to act on them and I'll show you a person who's a lunatic or a criminal.
 
2013-07-03 06:36:12 PM  

Highroller48: jebusfreak: There's just something about this I find a bit fishy... presumably SWAT would have been deployed, perimeter secured, etc.  And it's the police chief who just simply walks up to him and "BANG" in the head?  Yeah, I don't think it went down EXACTLY as reported.

Ahh.....THERE we go.   I knew the X-Box Swat Teamtm would show up eventually to offer their "expert" analysis.  NOW it's a proper Fark thread.


Sarcasm meter broken? Jesus.
 
2013-07-03 06:39:35 PM  

GreenSun: I don't think the kid needs therapy. She wasn't hurt, and if she was smart for her age then she'd know the guy holding her was bad and deserved to be killed. She might think "Ewww gross, skull pieces, blood, and brain jelly all over the floor! And the smell...yuuuuckkkk... mama I want a big mac!".


The kid was 2 and a half. She isn't going to remember it.
 
2013-07-03 06:40:16 PM  

Bokononist: MarkEC: Bokononist: The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.

I doubt the Captain had killed anyone before, so experience is out the window. Conditioned? I'd just call it a gut check. No one knows how they would react until they are in a situation that requires that intestinal fortitude.

You show me a citizen familiarized on the subtleties of lunatics and criminals confidently enough to act on them and I'll show you a person who's a lunatic or a criminal.


They're the faces of the stranger, but we love to try them on.
 
2013-07-03 06:41:50 PM  
willfullyobscureFine by me!/2 largely unevenful years on a small force
 
2013-07-03 06:45:02 PM  

MarkEC: Bokononist: The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.

I doubt the Captain had killed anyone before, so experience is out the window. Conditioned? I'd just call it a gut check. No one knows how they would react until they are in a situation that requires that intestinal fortitude.


Mostly this. You certainly don't need accuracy from two inches, but you need some seriously calm nerves to get that close in that situation. If you watch the video, you'll see that as the guy starts counting, the captain crouches. The suspect is looking the other way. He doesn't run at him or make big movements that might have caught the guy's attention. He takes a few quick steps and fires. Decisive but not rushed. Really spectacular reaction.

One other thing. This store is literally a few hundred feet from the police station. The hostage negotiators were there in seconds.
 
2013-07-03 06:47:17 PM  
Eugenics By Cop
 
2013-07-03 06:47:39 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Clean-up Isle 5!

Kid won't remember the details a few years down the road.

/I wonder what was the last thing to go through his mind?


A 9mm
 
2013-07-03 06:56:56 PM  

SirTanon: How long till they sign Clint Eastwood for the film role?

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 390x300]


It was five.
 
2013-07-03 07:02:56 PM  

namegoeshere: Cyno01: "I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just killed her.' I thought, 'she's dead,'" she said.
Is mom an idiot, or what?

Mom is a mother facing the highest stress situation of her life. Nothing in her past has prepared her for this level of stress. She is flooded with adrenaline the likes of which she has never known. Her baby is in mortal danger and she is completely helpless. A shot was fired in the area in which her child is being held at knifepoint.

No. Mom is not an idiot. She is human.


Cyno01, on the other hand, is a farkmook moran of the highest caliber.
 
2013-07-03 07:21:00 PM  

Highroller48: Clearly a typically heinous over-use of force by another Nazi Cop.  I've played 1430 hours of SWAT 3 so I know a little something about this sort of thing!  All he had to do was flashbang the room, jump over a counter and melee the guy with his baton, problem solved.  I mean, give a guy a gun and a badge and he thinks he's a demi-god, going around deciding who lives and who dies.  It's amazing that he could find time between taking bribes and planting evidence to actually show up.  I hope he gets charged with murder.  Disarm the Pigs!!!11eleven!!

(Sorry, the lack of cop-hate in this Fark thread was making me nervous.)

In all seriousness, while the ending is unfortunate, if this cop accomplishes nothing else of significance in his entire career, he will always know that someone's daughter gets to grow up and have a life because he was there to make a difference.  Good for him.


Until she turn 15, hooks up with the local meth dealer, starts turning tricks to support her habit and ends up dead because she couldn't make payout to the strip club for fronting her the toot. Then he will be on scene investigating, realize who she is and have a moment of sad.

/c'mon. It IS Oklahoma.
 
2013-07-03 07:21:28 PM  

museamused: genner: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

Yeah it would have been a tragedy if someone who wasn't a cop shot him.....

Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.


Here's the thing a lot of self-proclaimed gun control advocates seem to miss, due to cognitive dissonance or otherwise: the argument for carry (concealed or otherwise) is not fundamentally about "pretending to be a cop", it's about having the ability to defend oneself and others if police are not available during an active threat. Luckily for this little girl, the loon didn't follow through with his threats during the few minutes that the police were still en route. I'm not going to entertain speculation about "yeah, but what if"s in this situation, but I'm certainly glad it turned out with the correct person losing their life, no matter who it was who ultimately pulled the trigger.

Also, just for clarity, every gun class I've been through starts the lesson with step 1: "if you're* able to escape unharmed, do so."

*plural form
 
2013-07-03 07:24:35 PM  

goatleggedfellow: ManateeGag: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

I want to buy this mother-farker a beer. give this dude a month of family leave and some post-trauma counseling. Having to do that kind of shiat will mess you up.


People who are competent and fully in command don't require massive leave, nor counseling. The cop did his job, just like putting down a dog with rabies. The kid will need help but she'll get over it, especially since the outcome made sense in a metaphysical way (bad person suffers). I watched dozens of people blown up right in front of me at the age of 6, had their blood on me, and missed half a day of school. Traumatic, yes. Didn't need a full time psychiatrist for a year.
 
2013-07-03 07:25:17 PM  
Old high school classmate went through some tough times, got depressed, and then was diagnosed with a brain tumor.  Operable, but with side effects like the ones you hear the commercial announcer run through after one of those drug advertisements.  He chose death by cop instead.  His weapon was a van, crashing into a police cruiser.  Police officer thought his life was in danger and went for the headshot.

/ran with a different crowd than me
//twin knew him pretty well, though
 
2013-07-03 07:27:02 PM  

Spanky McStupid: justanotherfarkinfarker: Clean-up Isle 5!

Kid won't remember the details a few years down the road.

/I wonder what was the last thing to go through his mind?

A 9mm


I like to think the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell David Huff ever got the best of him.
 
2013-07-03 07:30:40 PM  

ManateeGag: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

I want to buy this mother-farker a beer.


The props are for being a ranking officer on scene AND being the one willing to take the shot.
 
2013-07-03 07:31:00 PM  

OnlyM3: "I did not maintain my composure. I was completely freaked out," she said. "I wanted to reach out and grab her but he had a knife. There was nothing I could do but stand there and beg for her life."

And that, is why so many american's carry sidearms.


So a hysterical mother can point a gun at a man holding her child?  F*ck that.
 
2013-07-03 07:31:46 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: I like to think the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell David Huff ever got the best of him.


"Zihuatanejo"
 
2013-07-03 07:33:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: basemetal: Meh, dude asked for it, and while a wrongful death suit will be settled if it comes to fruition, (only because it's cheaper than a trial), no jury in this state would award the family jack or shiat.

See, that's something I have a problem with.  By just paying the family off they're perpetuating the problem - the next time somebody has a loser case they'll still threaten to get the settlement money.  Better to spend more right now and make an example out of him, and any other bullshiat wrongful death suits they face, by making sure they not only get nothing but get slapped with attorney's fees for bringing a frivolous suit in the first place.

If you're killed or injured during the commission of a felony neither you nor your family should have grounds to sue.


I do not disagree one bit.
 
2013-07-03 07:41:25 PM  
Cyno01 [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 06:20:58 PM


"I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just killed her.' I thought, 'she's dead,'" she said.
Is mom an idiot, or what?

You're not exactly Mr. Current events now are you.

All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers
 
2013-07-03 07:47:35 PM  
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-07-03 07:47:40 PM  
If I live to be 100, I will never understand people who hurt kids. I mean, snatching a 2 year old and using her as a hostage... WTF?!

/Cop did the right thing
//Hopefully the kid is young enough to forget it ever happened
 
2013-07-03 08:03:27 PM  

DesktopHippie: If I live to be 100, I will never understand people who hurt kids. I mean, snatching a 2 year old and using her as a hostage... WTF?!

/Cop did the right thing
//Hopefully the kid is young enough to forget it ever happened


Sure,  under normal circumstances, but odds are the mother will pester her for life with stories of 'that day', send her links to the online video of the head shot, etc. IOW, the poor little tot doesn't stand a chance.
 
2013-07-03 08:25:25 PM  
For those hoping that the girl will be mentally okay. Don't worry.  Brains do not myelinate until about age 8 so forming strong memories before that time is difficult but not impossible. I think the mom and the officer involved in the shooting will be more at risk although from the calm that officer displayed he is certainly a veteran of tight situations. Kuodos to him. We all certainly wish that deadly force not be involved but I for one feel this was clearly and indisputably justified based on the video footage available.  Well done and glad the child is safe, as a father of 4 that is a nightmare situation and thank you to the police!
 
2013-07-03 08:31:12 PM  

The_Philosopher_King: FrancoFile: /Old Man Jack Holloway relights his pipe, smiles, and nods.

Is that a Little Fuzzy reference? Talk about obscure


I also vote for suicide by cop.

Or he was just crazy. Can't anyone just be crazy anymore?


Ol' "Peace lovin'" Jack Holloway?
Last time somebody drew on Jack, they ruled it a suicide.


/far from obscure
 
2013-07-03 08:49:26 PM  

Brittabot: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.

The little girl is only 2, that's young enough that she likely won't remember any of it when she gets a little older (the family needs to go on with life as normally as possible though, so she doesn't start to sense something is wrong - which might be tough at first).

Parents should definitely take her to a child psychologist to make sure she's alright, but I'd be willing to bet the mom and sister suffer psychologically more than the 2 year old (they should get some help too - I'd be a mess if something like this happened to my kid).


Toddlerhood is often referred to as "the formative years." The little girl may not remember all the details of what happened, but she may grow up to feel anxiety in situations that have elements of that scene -- and not really remember why. For example, she may get really panicky when somebody picks her up and puts her in their lap -- and not really understand why that scares the hell out of her.

Which does not bode well for her if she plans to spin around a brass pole someday.
 
2013-07-03 09:03:09 PM  

WordyGrrl: Brittabot: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.

The little girl is only 2, that's young enough that she likely won't remember any of it when she gets a little older (the family needs to go on with life as normally as possible though, so she doesn't start to sense something is wrong - which might be tough at first).

Parents should definitely take her to a child psychologist to make sure she's alright, but I'd be willing to bet the mom and sister suffer psychologically more than the 2 year old (they should get some help too - I'd be a mess if something like this happened to my kid).

Toddlerhood is often referred to as "the formative years." The little girl may not remember all the details of what happened, but she may grow up to feel anxiety in situations that have elements of that scene -- and not really remember why. For example, she may get really panicky when somebody picks her up and puts her in their lap -- and not really understand why that scares the hell out of her.

Which does not bode well for her if she plans to spin around a brass pole someday.


This is a good point.

Every time this girl, at any point in her life, has a knife held to her side, she's going to feel anxiety.
 
2013-07-03 09:09:04 PM  

Hermione_Granger: I don't think the little girl is going to suffer any hearing loss. That gun looks like it was right against the guy's head.

Bravest damned cop in America.


Brave, certainly. Ice-f•cking-cold too.

"I see, the blood all over your hands
Does it make you feel, more like a man?
Was it all, just a part of your plan?
The pistol's shakin' in my hands"

-- "Always", Saliva

Fortunately for that little girl, the pistol did not shake in Captain Huff's hands.
 
2013-07-03 09:19:27 PM  

TheSwissNavy: goatleggedfellow: ManateeGag: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

I want to buy this mother-farker a beer. give this dude a month of family leave and some post-trauma counseling. Having to do that kind of shiat will mess you up.

People who are competent and fully in command don't require massive leave, nor counseling. The cop did his job, just like putting down a dog with rabies. The kid will need help but she'll get over it, especially since the outcome made sense in a metaphysical way (bad person suffers). I watched dozens of people blown up right in front of me at the age of 6, had their blood on me, and missed half a day of school. Traumatic, yes. Didn't need a full time psychiatrist for a year.


Do you not believe in PTSD?

Yeah, we've all seen some shiat, but not done some shiat.

This cop had to make the decision to raise up (alone) in calm, controlled surroundings and cap somebody point blank in the head. Not a rabid dog, but a malfunctioning human with a human face and body. Memories of that won't play with context all the time.

The cop prolly won't need lots of counseling, but he'll prolly get some mandatory counseling to see if he's still cool.

/Internet tough guys need to meet some real-life cops
 
2013-07-03 09:41:25 PM  

s2s2s2: Any word on the perp's beef?


Smoked.
 
2013-07-03 09:48:14 PM  

Cythraul: Why the hell did he take the girl hostage to begin with?


Death by cop?
 
2013-07-03 09:52:23 PM  
But thats not what happens when you hold kids hostage in movies.
 
2013-07-03 10:11:56 PM  
"I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just killed her.' I thought, 'she's dead,'" she said. "


Why?  Was the kid black?
 
2013-07-03 10:19:42 PM  
As much as I despise the typical cop, kudos, buy the man a beer, did what had to happen, etc.

It may have been suicide by cop, but if so, he did it RIGHT.
 
2013-07-03 10:40:14 PM  
I love this cop so much!
 Way to handle it Sir!
 
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