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2013-07-03 10:19:42 PM  
As much as I despise the typical cop, kudos, buy the man a beer, did what had to happen, etc.

It may have been suicide by cop, but if so, he did it RIGHT.
 
2013-07-03 10:40:14 PM  
I love this cop so much!
 Way to handle it Sir!
 
2013-07-03 11:10:04 PM  
That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

As should be done to anyone who threatens the life of an innocent child.
Hope Captain Huff has a wonderful weekend and hope the parents of Mr. Wallace have a wonderful weekend as well.
 
2013-07-03 11:10:08 PM  

jchic: ManateeGag: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

I want to buy this mother-farker a beer.

Absolutely!


Fark should buy him a keg. I still don't know why he took her hostage???
 
2013-07-03 11:13:40 PM  

Cythraul: Why the hell did he take the girl hostage to begin with?


Low IQ? Daddy Issues? Lack of breastfeeding?
Who really cares. Daughter is safe with mom and bad guy gets a bullet to the head.
We all win.
 
2013-07-03 11:16:56 PM  

Cythraul: Why the hell did he take the girl hostage to begin with?


If he had lived, I'm guessing a successful insanity defense would have been the endgame.

/Waiting for family members of Sammie Wallace to wail on TV about what a "good Christian man" he was and was "cut down in the prime of his ilfe" by "out of control" police as they "demand an investigation".
 
2013-07-03 11:28:21 PM  

namegoeshere: No. Mom is not an idiot. She is human.


Exactly.
 
2013-07-03 11:35:12 PM  
It's sad that the guy was crazy, and it's horrible that he dragged a little girl into it, but at least the crazy dead guy let the cops know that he really wanted to be shot in the head & not to actually go through with killing the girl.
 
2013-07-04 12:21:02 AM  

namegoeshere: justanotherfarkinfarker: Clean-up Isle 5!

Kid won't remember the details a few years down the road.

/I wonder what was the last thing to go through his mind?

Bits of skull, I imagine.


See I'm going with a .40 S&W jacketed hollow-point.
 
2013-07-04 12:27:33 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: namegoeshere: No. Mom is not an idiot. She is human.

Exactly.


Poor woman was trying to stretch her shopping dollars. That by itself would make anybody drop their guard.
 
2013-07-04 01:06:36 AM  
I'm guessing death by cop is the only logical conclusion for his motive.
 
2013-07-04 01:07:40 AM  
Satanic_Hamster:
Every time this girl, at any point in her life, has a knife held to her side, she's going to feel anxiety.

uhm, that's true for many people.
 
2013-07-04 01:20:34 AM  
What if he missed?
 
2013-07-04 01:54:24 AM  

TOSViolation: I'm guessing death by cop is the only logical conclusion for his motive.


Paranoid schizophrenia. He was ranting about the illuminati and being the richest man in the world.
 
2013-07-04 01:55:30 AM  

Fista-Phobia: What if he missed?


Um, it's pretty hard to miss from two inches. The surveillance video cuts out just before the shot. He put his gun right to the guy's temple. He couldn't miss.
 
2013-07-04 02:01:11 AM  
radiumsoup:

Here's the thing a lot of self-proclaimed gun control advocates seem to miss, due to cognitive dissonance or otherwise: the argument for carry (concealed or otherwise) is not fundamentally about "pretending to be a cop", it's about having the ability to defend oneself and others if police are not available during an active threat. Luckily for this little girl, the loon didn't follow through with his threats during the few minutes that the police were still en route. I'm not going to entertain speculation about "yeah, but what if"s in this situation, but I'm certainly glad it turned out with the correct person losing their life, no matter who it was who ultimately pulled the trigger.

Also, just for clarity, every gun class I've been through starts the lesson with step 1: "if you're* able to escape unharmed, do so."

*plural form


Here's the thing a lot of vigilante wannabes seem to miss, due to cognitive dissonance or otherwise: the argument against carry (concealed or otherwise) is that the vast majority of those carrying aren't trained in how to react to a situation where there is an active threat, and it's far more likely their kids or grandkids will find the gun and blow their own heads off than the gun owner successfully defending him/herself or others. There are other arguments as well, including the reality that if more people are carrying guns, the likelihood of an armed confrontation between two pissed off/drunk or dumb people goes ever higher. I could go on, but this is Fark, so why bother?
 
2013-07-04 02:17:10 AM  

Com-un-sense: Fista-Phobia: What if he missed?

Um, it's pretty hard to miss from two inches. The surveillance video cuts out just before the shot. He put his gun right to the guy's temple. He couldn't miss.


Sorry. What if he slipped on the floor while making his move? I don't know. These great moments in firearm history have too many random variables for me. Hindsight never helped no one etc.
 
2013-07-04 03:04:40 AM  
Thank God the officer used a foreign made weapon. Can you imagine if that thing was American? Jammedville...
 
2013-07-04 04:30:44 AM  

Com-un-sense: Here's the thing a lot of vigilante wannabes seem to miss, due to cognitive dissonance or otherwise: the argument against carry (concealed or otherwise) is that the vast majority of those carrying aren't trained in how to react to a situation where there is an active threat, and it's far more likely their kids or grandkids will find the gun and blow their own heads off than the gun owner successfully defending him/herself or others. There are other arguments as well, including the reality that if more people are carrying guns, the likelihood of an armed confrontation between two pissed off/drunk or dumb people goes ever higher. I could go on, but this is Fark, so why bother?


Sorry, but I know more about this than you do. Gun owner for 10 years, Soldier for 8, cop for 5, Masters in Psychology, firearms instructor in my MP unit, my department, and certified NRA instructor for the purpose of training Concealed Pistol License holders.

Your assertions are unfounded and spoken from ignorance. Those of us who actually do this kind of thing day in and day out can see you're just plain wrong.
 
2013-07-04 04:37:38 AM  

Bokononist: taurusowner: museamused: Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.

...
The myth that police are expert shots just because their job issues them a gun is as false as some office drone being a computer whiz because they were given a desk with a computer.


That's still not really applicable in this situation though. The cop didn't need to be a marksman in here, just experienced and conditioned.


You're right. I was responding to a statement along th lines of "this is why I'm glad it was a cop and not some Charles Bronson wannabe because cops are so much better trained."

That's a fallacy I've had to rectify a number of time and it bugs me every time I hear it. Cops are not better trained. Most cops are lousy shots due to the fact that just because carrying a gun is part of their job, doesn't mean they actually put the effort in to learn to use it just as office workers who are forced to use computers are often know the least about said computers. Tool being part of your job =/= proficiency with said tool. People just assume cops are better with guns than regular civilians. On average, we're not. Almost every time I've seen an officer shoot side by side with a civilian firearms hobbyist, the civilian has been safe, more accurate, and smoother.

So no, it doesn't have much to do with this particular situation. But a Farker brought up the "cops are better with guns, so only cops should have guns" myth, and as a cop and firearms instructor, I felt the need to correct that fallacy.
 
2013-07-04 04:53:09 AM  
Herb! I swear to God I wasn't anywhere near aisle 5!


/obscure?
 
2013-07-04 06:45:46 AM  
Let me set the story straight for everyone: The guy was schizo, and had a freak out. He told the cops the illuminati were after him and abunch of other nonsensical stuff.

The video of the shooting is available on liveleak. They gave the guy a chair to sit in so he wouldn't drop the child onto the knife, then talked to him for a minute and when he was distracted for a split second, the cop calmly stood up, took a step toward him drew his weapon and shot him in the head.... it was actually amazingly calm, he put the guy down like a dog.

Was some excellent police work.
 
2013-07-04 07:54:22 AM  
I bet the cop who had to shoot the guy didn't enjoy it. Wish I could say the same for a lot of farkers commenting here.
 
2013-07-04 08:10:23 AM  
CTRL-F , no one?  must be really obscure
"Maybe...you won't even...twitch" Bang!
 
2013-07-04 09:33:47 AM  

taurusowner: Com-un-sense: Here's the thing a lot of vigilante wannabes seem to miss, due to cognitive dissonance or otherwise: the argument against carry (concealed or otherwise) is that the vast majority of those carrying aren't trained in how to react to a situation where there is an active threat, and it's far more likely their kids or grandkids will find the gun and blow their own heads off than the gun owner successfully defending him/herself or others. There are other arguments as well, including the reality that if more people are carrying guns, the likelihood of an armed confrontation between two pissed off/drunk or dumb people goes ever higher. I could go on, but this is Fark, so why bother?

Sorry, but I know more about this than you do. Gun owner for 10 years, Soldier for 8, cop for 5, Masters in Psychology, firearms instructor in my MP unit, my department, and certified NRA instructor for the purpose of training Concealed Pistol License holders.

Your assertions are unfounded and spoken from ignorance. Those of us who actually do this kind of thing day in and day out can see you're just plain wrong.


Um, no, your "qualifications" do not make your argument more valid, especially when there are numbers proving you are wrong. Merely owning a  gun makes you 4.5 times more likely to be shot. And that says nothing of the risk to others, especially kids, of dying in a firearms accident. I'm a former gun owner who had the sense to get rid of his firearm before I had a child because numbers don't lie.
 
2013-07-04 09:35:57 AM  
taurusowner:
Your assertions are unfounded and spoken from ignorance. Those of us who actually do this kind of thing day in and day out can see you're just plain wrong.

I'd also like to point out that police are, by and large, highly in favor of gun control. Because those who "do this kind of thing every day" see the dangers up close.
 
2013-07-04 09:49:55 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Com-un-sense: Fista-Phobia: What if he missed?

Um, it's pretty hard to miss from two inches. The surveillance video cuts out just before the shot. He put his gun right to the guy's temple. He couldn't miss.

Sorry. What if he slipped on the floor while making his move? I don't know. These great moments in firearm history have too many random variables for me. Hindsight never helped no one etc.


You're right.  Police should be banned from using guns.

Plus, he could have rolled an "one" on his attack roll, which is an automatic critical failure.
 
2013-07-04 11:05:32 AM  

Com-un-sense: Merely owning a  gun makes you 4.5 times more likely to be shot.


That, or living in an area and/or having an occupation where you are likely to get shot makes you more likely to own a gun.
Circular logic never won any arguments around here.

/Oh, and you do know they make both gun safes and child locks for those things now, right?
//You getting rid of guns was probably a good idea though, being stupid enough to leave them out and loaded and all.
 
2013-07-04 11:27:41 AM  
if you haven't seen it... SFW version

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f4_1372548151">http://www.liveleak.c om/view?i=6f4_1372548151
 
2013-07-04 11:50:37 AM  

qualtrough: I bet the cop who had to shoot the guy didn't enjoy it. Wish I could say the same for a lot of farkers commenting here.


What if he did? Would that make him a bad person? To enjoy ushering a dangerous, beyond hope crazy person off the world while simultaneously saving a child? Maybe this was his dream. Maybe as soon as he got back to the station, away from the media, it was high-fives all around. What if he even cracked a smile! Boy, it's a good thing someone out there like you is throwing out blind judgements on people they don't know in the slightest just so they can deny the fact that blood and violence are a cornerstone of our society. Gotta feel better about YOURSELF at all costs, right?
 
2013-07-04 11:56:12 AM  

genner: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

Yeah it would have been a tragedy if someone who wasn't a cop shot him.....


... and because the dipshiat had no rapor with the nutjob, ended up killing the kid, so yeah tragedy.  A precision shot, while hopped up on adrenaline is one I'm not sure I'd be able to make with a kid in the way - and I was a biathlete. Cop had it under control. Cop did his job. Cop saves kid. Ta-dah.
 
2013-07-04 12:01:00 PM  

llachlan: genner: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

Yeah it would have been a tragedy if someone who wasn't a cop shot him.....

... and because the dipshiat had no rapor with the nutjob, ended up killing the kid, so yeah tragedy.  A precision shot, while hopped up on adrenaline is one I'm not sure I'd be able to make with a kid in the way - and I was a biathlete. Cop had it under control. Cop did his job. Cop saves kid. Ta-dah.


It's almost like everything worked out in the end.
 
2013-07-04 01:10:27 PM  
SOMEONE say guns are bad.
PLEASE.
 
2013-07-04 01:34:29 PM  

aesirx: uhm, that's true for many people.


images.wikia.com

puddleonfire: SOMEONE say guns are bad.
PLEASE.


Someone did.
 
2013-07-04 07:39:42 PM  
JungleBoogie: Liveleak links to the actual videos.

That's gun control.

Sometimes the cops f•ck up epically. Other times, they do really, really good work.

SuperNinjaToad: this is actually a paradox. What makes cops giant douches in many ways also make them do 'great work' every once in a while. This is actually a classic example. Someone who is not prone to violence with a hint of psychopathic tendencies and A type personality is not going to simply walk up to a total stranger and point blank shoot him dead in the face even if said stranger is holding a hostage.


I read this quote a long time ago: "There is a bit of the dragon in the dragonslayer."
 
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