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2013-07-03 04:54:16 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception ilusion of personal safety.

FTFY


Or the illusion of proper spelling.
 
2013-07-03 04:54:16 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Most people who feel the need to carry a gun pee all over themselves in fear if the wind blows too hard, they'd never actually be able to respond in a crisis situation.


I'm eagerly anticipating the chance to pour over the data and citations you no doubt are preparing to post in order to back that wild ass claim up.
 
2013-07-03 04:54:34 PM

cefm: Sounds like suicide by cop.  One of the most selfish and shiatty ways to off yourself.  Go find a tall building, arsehole.


That guy's pretty big.  What happens if he lands on someone?
 
2013-07-03 04:55:51 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Tenga: He should have just shot the knife out of his hand.

FTA: They negotiated for more than 30 minutes with the suspect, Sammie Wallace, who continued to hold a knife to the toddler's neck


I'm gonna go with "That's a really bad idea".


I'm picturing a result that would look like a Tarentino clip done for Troma.
 
2013-07-03 04:56:52 PM

ManateeGag: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

I want to buy this mother-farker a beer.


Hero tag well-earned, Captain.
 
2013-07-03 04:57:18 PM
Makes you wonder what was going through that guy's head. A 38 or a 9mm?
 
2013-07-03 04:57:20 PM

Boojum2k: Bathia_Mapes: Tenga: He should have just shot the knife out of his hand.

FTA: They negotiated for more than 30 minutes with the suspect, Sammie Wallace, who continued to hold a knife to the toddler's neck


I'm gonna go with "That's a really bad idea".

I'm picturing a result that would look like a Tarentino clip done for Troma.


Just think to yourself, what would Tony Scott do?
 
2013-07-03 04:57:30 PM

namegoeshere: I worry about her hearing, although better partially deaf than dead I suppose.



If it was a standard glock-type weapon with an enclosed firing chamber (unlike a revolver for example), it's really not as loud as you might think. Sirens are much more damaging to a little tyke's ears.
 
2013-07-03 04:57:39 PM

GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.


The little girl is only 2, that's young enough that she likely won't remember any of it when she gets a little older (the family needs to go on with life as normally as possible though, so she doesn't start to sense something is wrong - which might be tough at first).

Parents should definitely take her to a child psychologist to make sure she's alright, but I'd be willing to bet the mom and sister suffer psychologically more than the 2 year old (they should get some help too - I'd be a mess if something like this happened to my kid).
 
2013-07-03 04:58:30 PM

Magnanimous_J: namegoeshere: I worry about her hearing, although better partially deaf than dead I suppose.


If it was a standard glock-type weapon with an enclosed firing chamber (unlike a revolver for example), it's really not as loud as you might think. Sirens are much more damaging to a little tyke's ears.


I really do love Fark.
 
2013-07-03 04:59:41 PM

INeedAName: Makes you wonder what was going through that guy's head. A 38 or a 9mm?


.40 or .45 also likely.

Hallow point to boot
 
2013-07-03 05:01:40 PM

genner: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

Yeah it would have been a tragedy if someone who wasn't a cop shot him.....


Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.
 
2013-07-03 05:01:58 PM

jebusfreak: There's just something about this I find a bit fishy... presumably SWAT would have been deployed, perimeter secured, etc.  And it's the police chief who just simply walks up to him and "BANG" in the head?  Yeah, I don't think it went down EXACTLY as reported.


Ahh.....THERE we go.   I knew the X-Box Swat Teamtm would show up eventually to offer their "expert" analysis.  NOW it's a proper Fark thread.
 
2013-07-03 05:02:03 PM

s2s2s2: Any word on the perp's beef?


Video narration by the police says the guy was literally yammering about Illuminati and George W. Bush personally surveilling him.

IOW:
 
2013-07-03 05:02:52 PM

BKITU: s2s2s2: Any word on the perp's beef?

Video narration by the police says the guy was literally yammering about Illuminati and George W. Bush personally surveilling him.

IOW:


Derp

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-03 05:04:06 PM

BKITU: BKITU: s2s2s2: Any word on the perp's beef?

Video narration by the police says the guy was literally yammering about Illuminati and George W. Bush personally surveilling him.

IOW:

Derp


Yet strangely fitting
 
2013-07-03 05:04:10 PM

ManateeGag: PreMortem: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.


Clean-up on aisle 7!

and 8, and a little in 9.


ah... having a bad day.
Thanks for that, I lol'd.
 
2013-07-03 05:05:24 PM
For every 10 "bad" cop story I hear about, there's this one that makes me wonder what the eff is going on in the police stations...
 
2013-07-03 05:05:53 PM

jebusfreak: There's just something about this I find a bit fishy... presumably SWAT would have been deployed, perimeter secured, etc.  And it's the police chief who just simply walks up to him and "BANG" in the head?  Yeah, I don't think it went down EXACTLY as reported.

I'm not saying the cop's a hero for what he did, if it happened exactly as described.


You're not saying the cop's a hero?  Or did you mean to say, "I'm not saying the cop's not a hero"???

Also, captain != chief
 
2013-07-03 05:06:12 PM

DORMAMU: INeedAName: Makes you wonder what was going through that guy's head. A 38 or a 9mm?

.40 or .45 also likely.

Hallow point to boot


Was the guy a vampire too?
 
2013-07-03 05:08:23 PM

iheartscotch: namegoeshere: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.

I worry about her hearing, although better partially deaf than dead I suppose.

No, he's only MOSTLY dead!

/ TO BLATHE


Blave.  To blave.
 
2013-07-03 05:12:06 PM

markie_farkie: suicide by cop


This.
 
2013-07-03 05:13:17 PM
This is why we need to arm all Wal-Mart greeters.

/seriously though, I feel sorry for the cop, but he did right.  Someone needs to remind him every day he has a flashback that he didn't so much kill a man as save a little girl's life.
 
2013-07-03 05:14:06 PM

violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally


if ( cop )
ok_mentally = FALSE;

/just sayin'
 
2013-07-03 05:14:41 PM

J.Shelby: iheartscotch: namegoeshere: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.

I worry about her hearing, although better partially deaf than dead I suppose.

No, he's only MOSTLY dead!

/ TO BLATHE

Blave.  To blave.


To be fair, I'm not sure that blave/blathe, either one, are words.
 
2013-07-03 05:14:53 PM

SavageWombat: I don't think it was suicide-by-cop, I think it was just stupid.  There's a thing I see on TV all the time I call "the magic gun" - the idea that if I point a gun at you, you are forced to do what I say.  Like "go in that room and let me torture you to death for weeks, or else I'll shoot you."  Doesn't make logical sense.  But people in the real world think that the threat of violence compels  obedience, and don't know what to do if someone refuses.


Without that theory half of The Deer Hunter would be out the window.  So, we're going to sit here and play Russian Roulette for our captors until we die because if we don't they'll... shoot us in the head?
 
2013-07-03 05:16:17 PM
And nothing of value was lost.

Now que the insane mom blithering on about how he was a good boy and the cop had no right to shoot him.
 
2013-07-03 05:17:13 PM

namegoeshere: GoldDude: violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.

Hope the little girl is okay physically and psychologically.  A situation like that can shatter your perception of personal safety.

I worry about her hearing, although better partially deaf than dead I suppose.


One shot will cause a very small amount of hearing damage, which is permanent (and cumulative). She'll be fine both hearing-wise and mentally.

Young children bounce back a lot better that adults.
 
2013-07-03 05:19:46 PM

spill_thrill: Eww, so much jizz in this thread


When a girl gets killed because a cop wouldn't react, I fully expect you to post in the following thread so that we can show you what an idiot you are.
 
2013-07-03 05:24:13 PM
"I did not maintain my composure. I was completely freaked out," she said. "I wanted to reach out and grab her but he had a knife. There was nothing I could do but stand there and beg for her life."

And that, is why so many american's carry sidearms.
 
2013-07-03 05:24:47 PM

museamused: Yeah, I'm not a big cop fan but if I'm literally talking about my child's life I want someone who shoots their gun a LOT and is trained in pressure situations handling this rather than some guy who thinks he's Charlie Bronson because he's seen a lot of movies and owns a gun.


Most cops (90%ish) shoot their firearms the bare minimum required, usually the yearly qualification (if their dept can even afford that). Mine requires yearly qualifications with optional quarterly range time. I'm generally one of 3 or 4 deputies who show up to the quarterly events. Many deputies end up needing to reshoot just to qualify. I've also attended some advanced shooting school run by civilians, and the few fellow law enforcement officers who actually put the time and money in to do that kind of thing on the side are usually less accurate and slower than other civilians there. The things is...I started shooting before I became a cop just for fun. I enjoy it. I like practicing, I like learning about ballistics and powder burn rates. I like taking them apart and seeing how they work. I'm good at shooting because it was a hobby first that became part of my job later, not because the police academy trained me. I actually had to work to unlearn some of the garbage the academy tried to "teach".

It makes sense when you really thing about it. To a cop, a gun is just a tool of the job. Generally people who do something because they truly enjoy it are better at that thing than people who do it because their job requires it. People who work on cars because they grew up loving engines and mechanics, people who write computer code (just think of how much better amateur mods make games like Skyrim) vs someone who slogs through it for work. Hobbyists are just generally more proficient at specific tasks than someone for whom that task is a required aspect to stay employed. And it shows. How many office workers are really good with computers even though they are forced to use them every day vs. an IT guy who enjoyed learning about computers long before it became his job? How many cab drivers, bus drivers, pizza delivery guys, even cops are great at fixing cars even though they drive them every day vs. the kid who loved tinkering with engines and  thendecided to be a mechanic?

The myth that police are expert shots just because their job issues them a gun is as false as some office drone being a computer whiz because they were given a desk with a computer.
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearm-accessories/gun-cle an ing/articles/1764925-Where-did-all-the-bullets-go/
 
2013-07-03 05:25:04 PM

jebusfreak: There's just something about this I find a bit fishy... presumably SWAT would have been deployed, perimeter secured, etc.  And it's the police chief who just simply walks up to him and "BANG" in the head?  Yeah, I don't think it went down EXACTLY as reported.

I'm not saying the cop's a hero for what he did, if it happened exactly as described.


Midwest City, OK (population 55,000) has a SWAT team?
 
2013-07-03 05:26:45 PM
I joyoused out loud.
Ballsy (and very risky) move by the good Captain.
I salute you, Captain Huff.
 
2013-07-03 05:30:07 PM

ManateeGag: PreMortem: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.


Clean-up on aisle 7!

and 8, and a little in 9.

Herb, I wasn't even in aisle 9!
 
2013-07-03 05:32:15 PM

crypticsatellite: That's when police Capt. David Huff walked up to Wallace and shot him point-blank in the head.

Dayum.

Kudos to you, Captain.


Could he have safely done this if the perp had been holding a gun instead of a knife?  Something I am trying to understand, whether you can count on the perp dying "fast enough", or if they might reflexively pull the trigger.
 
2013-07-03 05:32:37 PM
I don't think the little girl is going to suffer any hearing loss. That gun looks like it was right against the guy's head.

Bravest damned cop in America.
 
2013-07-03 05:32:43 PM

markie_farkie: Had to be suicide by cop if he started a 60 second countdown..


...and then proceeded to not harm the child in the time that it took for the officer to walk up to him, draw his weapon, and point it at the perp's head. Yeah, definitely suicide by cop.

Which always kind of pisses me off.  That clown affected a whole lot of other people in his effort to rid the world of himself---it's kind of a dick move.  The cop can't feel good about having killed a guy, the mother and family were probably traumatized, etc.
 
2013-07-03 05:33:28 PM

museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.


I have a permit, frequently carry, and I think I would have shot the guy in the head just like the cop did. Video footage of everything, a textbook case of justified shooting, I think I would take the shot.

I'm awfully glad I wasn't there because unlike the anti-gun-carry propaganda we're not all carrying while mentally masturbating about getting the chance to kill someone.

/although I know some who seem to be but I really think it's all talk
 
2013-07-03 05:36:27 PM
Clearing up a few things, as this happened locally and I followed it and watched the entire surveillance tape....

This was more a case of crazy than suicide by cop. The suspect was a paranoid schizophrenic. While police were negotiating with him for half an hour, he was ranting about the Illuminati, said he was being watched by George Bush and claimed to be the richest man in the world. He did time in Texas for shooting through a wall and hitting a child.

There was a SWAT team there, but the people who were dealing with the suspect were the department's two hostage negotiators, a sergeant and a captain. As he started counting from 60 by tens, he was looking at the sergeant and the captain just took three quick steps and capped him in the right temple. Calm and collected. He even ducked around and checked his gun during the negotiations to make sure there was a round in the chamber.
 
2013-07-03 05:37:25 PM
Just a victim of the in-house drive-by.
 
2013-07-03 05:38:27 PM
Obviously this man had found out the truth about Obama's birth certificate and knew the Clinton/Obama hit team was closing in so he made a desperate move, thinking if he could get the truth out, like by getting a news crew there, he could save his life. He didn't count on the local police being under the control of the Clinton/Obama cabal.
 
2013-07-03 05:39:46 PM

KidneyStone: museamused: Fortunately there weren't any dipshiats with concealed carry permits who tried to intervene.

I have a permit, frequently carry, and I think I would have shot the guy in the head just like the cop did. Video footage of everything, a textbook case of justified shooting, I think I would take the shot.

I'm awfully glad I wasn't there because unlike the anti-gun-carry propaganda we're not all carrying while mentally masturbating about getting the chance to kill someone.

/although I know some who seem to be but I really think it's all talk


He had a knife to the girl's throat and likely would have stabbed her in the neck if you tried to approach. The only reason the cop was able to take the shot safely is because he was distracted looking at another officer while he counted down. There is a reason we let the police handle these things and not d-bags who took a one-day gun safety class.
 
2013-07-03 05:42:14 PM

Befuddled: Obviously this man had found out the truth about Obama's birth certificate and knew the Clinton/Obama hit team was closing in so he made a desperate move, thinking if he could get the truth out, like by getting a news crew there, he could save his life. He didn't count on the local police being under the control of the Clinton/Obama cabal.


Close. He claimed he was being watched by George Bush. And something about the Illuminati and a Satanic cult.
 
2013-07-03 05:44:32 PM
I guess his "history of mental problems" was brought to a final conclusion, double underlined.
 
2013-07-03 05:45:36 PM

violentsalvation: I hope the cop is OK mentally and the little girl doesn't have any hearing damage.


These are the only unresolved issues, assuming Wal-Mart does proper biohazard cleanup.
 
2013-07-03 05:52:42 PM
Poor kid, maybe a fireworks show will calm her down.
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2013-07-03 05:55:42 PM

RedT: "I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just shot her with a knife!'"


''Hotlips, you incredible nincompoop, it's just the end of the quarter.''
 
2013-07-03 05:56:09 PM
Captain David Huff is a farking hero, indeed. I'm not saying this is ALWAYS the appropriate way to end a hostage situation, but damn if it didn't work extremely well here. And before anyone mews at me for disregarding the child's life: That didn't happen. The dude could have just as easily ended that count down at any second he choose and killed that girl. That also didn't happen. What did happen, however, was a HUGE SUCCESS.

/I'm making a note here
 
2013-07-03 05:58:13 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: SirTanon: How long till they sign Clint Eastwood for the film role?

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 390x300]

FTA: "At one point, they gave Wallace a chair and talked with him one-on-one ..."

Clint talking to a chair?  That's some damned inspired casting!


I thought the same thing, except not talking to a chair, but more... "how can you be talking one-on-one if he's holding the hostage"?  If it was one-on-one there wouldn't be a hostage.
 
2013-07-03 06:02:47 PM

LouisZepher: RedT: "I heard the shot go off and I thought, 'Oh my God, they just shot her with a knife!'"

''Hotlips, you incredible nincompoop, it's just the end of the quarter.''


Heh!
 
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