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(The Atlantic Wire)   Without the slightest whiff of self-awareness, NC law makers have tacked on several new abortion restrictions to their anti-Sharia Law bill   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 209
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2013-07-03 04:17:55 PM
The Carolinas are beautiful states, but it's a shame about most of the people.
 
2013-07-03 04:23:55 PM
"Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.
 
2013-07-03 04:25:59 PM
I'm just surprised they didn't manage to jam Agenda 21 in there someplace

/You asked for it, NC
 
2013-07-03 04:30:26 PM
i'd invite TX, OH and NC to my 1950s theme party next week, but they're already there
 
2013-07-03 04:31:06 PM
Bonus: The president pro tem of the Senate told the gallery (which was full of women) to remain silent and that the only voices that matter are those of the Senators on the floor. They also denied people the right to use silent hand gestures (so apparently they don't like deaf people either).
 
2013-07-03 04:46:36 PM

vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.


Well, it does protect their family, from sluts and heathens, their faith, from said heathens, and their freedom, to be closed-minded, fearful, patronizing idiots. So it seems about right.
 
2013-07-03 04:50:54 PM
I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off
 
2013-07-03 04:57:10 PM

Peter von Nostrand: I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off


wondering how much the young repubs espouse the views of the old guard
 
2013-07-03 05:00:54 PM
Ah.  An omnibus derp bill.
 
2013-07-03 05:07:08 PM

SpikeStrip: Peter von Nostrand: I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off

wondering how much the young repubs espouse the views of the old guard


One of the guys on the floor arguing for this bill was the youngest turd in the NC Senate.

You've got two things going on in NC GOP. One, you've got some real shifty a-holes who are there for power and money. Phil Berger, Thom Tillis are the big ones in the NC Senate. These guys get huge sums of money from PACs, ALEC, polluters, Koch Industries, the gambling industry, the consumer finance industry, you name it - the work's been done on this, they are getting huge amounts of money. Then you've got some slower types who are all about Jesus and freedom/guns/crying eagles/hating black people/whatever. You know the 'family values' candidates. Tillis and Berger funnel money to these guys, just like it happens at the federal level. They buy key votes to pollute the state and do whatever the Senate leadership wants, and in exchange they get backed up when it comes time for the abortion bills and repealing the Racial Justice Act and all of that stuff Tillis and Berger probably don't really care about. And of course they are all in agreement about redistricting so they all get elected next year.

This is pretty much old school politics at work. You've got the corporatists working together with the religious right, and both sides f*cking love it. This is also, btw, why the GOP isn't going anywhere on a federal level and can't split up the party. On a state and local level they are tearing the f*cking nation to shreds with retarded legislation.
 
2013-07-03 05:07:11 PM
The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.
 
2013-07-03 05:14:42 PM

jake_lex: The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.


Irony:  a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs

They want to ban a law that would impose strict conditions on women while amending the law to include strict conditions on women.

Sorry. That's irony.
 
2013-07-03 05:21:18 PM

Peki: Bonus: The president pro tem of the Senate told the gallery (which was full of women) to remain silent and that the only voices that matter are those of the Senators on the floor. They also denied people the right to use silent hand gestures (so apparently they don't like deaf people either).


the GOP is getting VERY afraid of the voters.  they saw what happened in texas and they don't want to have it happen again.
 
2013-07-03 05:23:22 PM
Show me someone who thinks we need a law against Sharia law and I'll show you one ignorant dumbass.
 
2013-07-03 05:28:28 PM

edmo: Show me someone who thinks we need a law against Sharia law and I'll show you one ignorant dumbass.


THIS.  If they understood our system they'd realize both the impossibility of Sharia law, and their own folly.
 
2013-07-03 05:37:17 PM
Well, Sharia abortions take about 18-24 years to complete, so it sort of makes sense.
 
2013-07-03 05:37:57 PM

LasersHurt: The Carolinas are beautiful states, but it's a shame about most of the people.


There's always Chapel Hill.
 
2013-07-03 05:40:18 PM
So the abortion restrictions are void as they are what is in Sharia too?
 
2013-07-03 05:40:46 PM

vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.


When the GOP implodes, they always have a future in renaming much of central Africa.  Better money than snack food marketing.
 
2013-07-03 05:41:59 PM
Dear GOP,

Quit worshipping Allah you secret Muslims!

n the Name of God; the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful

1. Deliberate termination of a human fetus in a surgical, chemical or by any other artificial method is intrinsically an unlawful act in Islam and its doer will be held liable both in here and in the hereafter.

2. A pregnant woman from the Islamic point of view is not the owner of her fetus as parents are not the owners of their children. She is rather entrusted with a human being in its early stages of its life responsible for its nourishment and development. The likeness of a mother's womb in Islam is the likeness of enriched tilth for cultivation.[1]

3. In Islam 'all life matters'. Killing an innocent human even in its early stages as in abortion is like killing the whole of mankind, and to save a single human even in its fetus or embryonic stage is like saving the life of the whole of mankind.[2]

4. Killing an innocent human is considered to be one of the mortal sins.

5. There are specified fiscal penalties for killing or aborting a fetus. Although there is no ethical difference between taking the life of an unborn child at 5 weeks gestation or at 24 weeks gestation, given that the same child is just 19 weeks more mature, there is a different fiscal penalty for them. In Islam, the age of the fetus is divided into five stages commencing from the very conception and the amount of the penalty varies accordingly.

6. If a mother aborted her fetus without the consent of her husband, he should be compensated and as the 'killer' of her child, she will be deprived of inheriting from her child. Similarly, if a man forces his wife to abort the fetus he is liable to compensate his wife and as the 'killer' of his child, he will be deprived of its inheritance.

7. A Prophetic tradition states that on the Day of Judgment the first case is about shedding innocent blood.[3] The terminated fetus will confront its killer saying: "For what sin, was I killed?"[4]

8. The above verdicts are for the cases that abortion is done for selfish and personal not medical reasons. Abortion is permissible only if the life of the mother is at a serious risk, otherwise. The doer, however, will be still liable to pay the fiscal penalty.

9. The usage of various contraceptives which temporarily prevent conception are permissible in Islam, given they do not cause serious harm to the mother.
 
2013-07-03 05:42:12 PM

thamike: There's always Chapel Hill.


Raleigh is pretty cosmopolitan - especially in the last 20 years - my parents live in the suburbs north of Raleigh and its really nice. But 5 minutes outside the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill triangle area and you're in the  South for real.
 
2013-07-03 05:44:16 PM
LASER FOCUSED ON JOBS
 
2013-07-03 05:44:39 PM

SpikeStrip: Peter von Nostrand: I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off

wondering how much the young repubs espouse the views of the old guard


Most seem more tolerant but then again, maybe the old guard was more tolerant in their youth... Oh crap, we're farked
 
2013-07-03 05:45:00 PM

vernonFL: thamike: There's always Chapel Hill.

Raleigh is pretty cosmopolitan - especially in the last 20 years - my parents live in the suburbs north of Raleigh and its really nice. But 5 minutes outside the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill triangle area and you're in the  South for real.


Yeah, but I'm a white guy.  I can go anywhere I want.  Hell, I can even b*tch about my lack of personal freedom anywhere I want, without a hint of irony.
 
2013-07-03 05:45:06 PM

bdub77: jake_lex: The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.

Irony:  a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs

They want to ban a law that would impose strict conditions on women while amending the law to include strict conditions on women who wish to murder infants.

Sorry. That's irony.


FTFY
 
2013-07-03 05:46:32 PM

thamike: Hell, I can even b*tch about my lack of personal freedom, carrying assault weapons and racist signsanywhere I want, without a hint of irony.

 
2013-07-03 05:50:37 PM

Epoch_Zero: LASER FOCUSED ON JOBS


Well, once all these women get pregnant and can't do anything about it, they'll have to leave their jobs so they can take care of the home for their husbands, and all those jobs will open up for men who need them.
 
2013-07-03 05:50:57 PM

thamike: Well, Sharia abortions take about 18-24 years to complete, so it sort of makes sense.


Funny'd
 
2013-07-03 05:50:59 PM
The pastor at the church I grew up in is one of the folks that has been arrested for having the AUDACITY to silently protest against these assholes (despite the right to that being enshrined in the NC state constitution).

I'm pretty proud of her. Then again, the church I grew up in (UCC) has always A) Been pretty damn left leaning, and B) Been really, really serious about the importance of social justice.

/Go Jill!
 
2013-07-03 05:51:12 PM

vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.


We got it from the "affordable" care act.
 
2013-07-03 05:51:25 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption:derpityderpityDOOOOO!!!!!

Of course. Say, how many adopted kids you got out of foster homes?
 
2013-07-03 05:52:06 PM

cchris_39: vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.

We got it from the "affordable" care act.


Fart noises.
 
2013-07-03 05:53:35 PM

cchris_39: vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.

We got it from the "affordable" care act.


The one that independent auditors determined would, in fact, reduce the cost of health care for Americans, and reduce our deficit, and which is doing exactly that?
 
2013-07-03 05:53:52 PM
of course north carolina would be against this, you know what north carolina makes? FURNITURE. They dont want big crib going out of business
 
2013-07-03 05:55:12 PM

SpikeStrip: Peter von Nostrand: I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off

wondering how much the young repubs espouse the views of the old guard


I know you're being snarky but from what I've seen, they don't. At least not the bible-beating social conservative parts.

But the South and these families of course tend towards paternalism, and in places where it's considered a major breach of conduct to talk back to a Father figure, most only discuss it amongst other young conservative types. It's verboten to broach the subject with the older crowd.

Of course, based on his policy choices I think Obama might be the best Republican President in my lifetime. (Another realization that makes many old white people around here uncomfortable).
 
2013-07-03 05:55:18 PM

Diogenes: edmo: Show me someone who thinks we need a law against Sharia law and I'll show you one ignorant dumbass.

THIS.  If they understood our system they'd realize both the impossibility of Sharia law, and their own folly.


They're not worried about Sharia Law, they're worried about being re-elected. This will make for great campaign commercials. We're a country full of politicians whose number one talent is campaigning. When they get elected they don't know how to do anything else so their entire time in office is spent viewing the world through the lens of a political campaign. As a result, not much useful gets done but the same people keep getting elected over and over again.
 
2013-07-03 05:55:23 PM

cchris_39: vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.

We got it from the "affordable" care act.


Jeez, you guys can't even make a joke without playing the victim.
 
2013-07-03 05:58:34 PM
Oh, and it's even BETTER.

Civitas, the organization run by the NC budget director (who also happens to be one of the millionaires bankrolling the NC Republicans), is publishing the name, age, voting registration, occupation, and city of all of the protestors arrested.

To, uh, I'm not sure. I'm CERTAIN it's not so that people protesting can be targeted for reprisal, physical or job-wise. Nope. It CERTAINLY can't be an attempt to intimidate them! No, heavens! http://www.nccivitas.org/moralmonday/

/These people are SICK.
//The republicans, I mean.
///Interestingly I'm seeing a *lot* of people in their 70's arrested for protesting these guys, so... go, social-justice-oriented-old-folk, go!
 
2013-07-03 05:58:44 PM

gittlebass: of course north carolina would be against this, you know what north carolina makes? FURNITURE. They dont want big crib going out of business


They don't make much of it anymore.  High Point is like a small version of Detroit. Except with worse unemployment benefits.
 
2013-07-03 05:58:48 PM

Peki: Bonus: The president pro tem of the Senate told the gallery (which was full of women) to remain silent and that the only voices that matter are those of the Senators on the floor. They also denied people the right to use silent hand gestures (so apparently they don't like deaf people either).


Well, is IS called the  Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013 no freedom is half as important as the freedom to deny your constituents their ability to contest your possibly unconstitutional law while you are debating it. I guess you're new to this "debate"...   :-)
 
2013-07-03 06:00:12 PM
Honestly, I'd say that the First Amendment constitutes all the anti-Sharia legislation we need.
 
2013-07-03 06:00:17 PM

thamike: cchris_39: vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.

We got it from the "affordable" care act.

Jeez, you guys can't even make a joke without playing the victim.


I thought the Democratic Majority passing a Heritage Foundation Health Care legislation was pretty farking funny myself.
 
2013-07-03 06:00:18 PM

cchris_39: vernonFL: "Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

Of course its called that.  Of course.

We got it from the "affordable" care Patriot act.


FTFY
 
2013-07-03 06:00:37 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: bdub77: jake_lex: The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.

Irony:  a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs

They want to ban a law that would impose strict conditions on women while amending the law to include strict conditions on women who wish to murder infants.

Sorry. That's irony.

FTFY


You should learn what an infant is.
 
2013-07-03 06:01:42 PM
1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun.  Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!

 /We're the Party of Freedom and Small Government®, and we approve this message.
 
2013-07-03 06:01:57 PM

BSABSVR: Contrabulous Flabtraption: bdub77: jake_lex: The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.

Irony:  a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs

They want to ban a law that would impose strict conditions on women while amending the law to include strict conditions on women who wish to murder infants.

Sorry. That's irony.

FTFY

You should learn what an infant is.


As i said in the other abortion thread, you'd think that if you really believed in your cause, you would find a way to advance it without outright lying.
 
2013-07-03 06:02:54 PM
They aren't anti theocracy.  They are simply anti Islam.
 
2013-07-03 06:04:28 PM

bdub77: SpikeStrip: Peter von Nostrand: I still don't think we're close to reaching Peak Jesus in the South. Good luck to the sane part of the US dealing with our crap till the old farkers die off

wondering how much the young repubs espouse the views of the old guard

One of the guys on the floor arguing for this bill was the youngest turd in the NC Senate.

You've got two things going on in NC GOP. One, you've got some real shifty a-holes who are there for power and money. Phil Berger, Thom Tillis are the big ones in the NC Senate. These guys get huge sums of money from PACs, ALEC, polluters, Koch Industries, the gambling industry, the consumer finance industry, you name it - the work's been done on this, they are getting huge amounts of money. Then you've got some slower types who are all about Jesus and freedom/guns/crying eagles/hating black people/whatever. You know the 'family values' candidates. Tillis and Berger funnel money to these guys, just like it happens at the federal level. They buy key votes to pollute the state and do whatever the Senate leadership wants, and in exchange they get backed up when it comes time for the abortion bills and repealing the Racial Justice Act and all of that stuff Tillis and Berger probably don't really care about. And of course they are all in agreement about redistricting so they all get elected next year.

This is pretty much old school politics at work. You've got the corporatists working together with the religious right, and both sides f*cking love it. This is also, btw, why the GOP isn't going anywhere on a federal level and can't split up the party. On a state and local level they are tearing the f*cking nation to shreds with retarded legislation.


And you point out to people that vote for this shiatstains, that they took money from Time-Warner to pass a bill that prohibited cities from using bonds to build municipal fiberoptic networks, or money from the NC Automobile Dealer's Association to pass a bill prohibiting Tesla from selling cars directly to people in this state?  It's all "HURR DURR Democrats corruption Mike Easley".  And yes, Easley was a piece of garbage and is responsible for the absolute mess that is our highway fund.  But that level of corruption is nothing compared to the pure Lawful Evil that is spewing from the GA building now.

/the guy I voted for as GA Senator turned out to be trafficking heroin - and I still felt better voting for him than Buck Newton
 
2013-07-03 06:04:56 PM
"Family, Faith, and Freedom Protection Act of 2013."

The Clear Skies Act of 2003 is their masterpiece. That's when the GOP learned they could actually say 2+2=5 and America's serfs would dutifully repeat it.
 
2013-07-03 06:05:19 PM

BSABSVR: Contrabulous Flabtraption: bdub77: jake_lex: The "ironic" tag does not apply here.  There is not a trace of irony in this.  They want to keep Muslims from imposing their laws so that they can impose Christian laws on us.

There is no contradiction here.

Irony:  a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs

They want to ban a law that would impose strict conditions on women while amending the law to include strict conditions on women who wish to murder infants.

Sorry. That's irony.

FTFY

You should learn what an infant is.


I think he is one.
 
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