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(Morning Journal)   One man has a dream of converting a 1948, 42-passenger Convair plane parked in his backyard into a bed and breakfast. Since you're reading this is on Fark, it's obvious some of his neighbors don't share that same dream   (morningjournal.com) divider line 46
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2013-07-03 08:25:04 PM  
That is actually an amazing idea...  The Mrs and I had pondered opening a bed & breakfast and I bet airplanes or a sleeper car or two would make for an awesome one. Especially if we had a dining car as well!
 
2013-07-03 08:26:03 PM  
cf.drafthouse.com
"Trustees finally adopted a zoning ordinance making it illegal for township residents to keep planes, trains and other similar objects on their property. "
 
2013-07-03 08:27:11 PM  
Ok FARK libertarians, let's hear what you have to say about this...
 
2013-07-03 08:27:23 PM  
Get a septic tank or a sewer line out there, and let him have at it.  Me and Mrs. Deuce would love that.  (The Deucette's can have the caboose - we get the plane)

/Closest I'll get to the mile high club
 
2013-07-03 08:28:16 PM  
Funny. I converted subby's mom's house into a personal bed and breakfast.

/if ya know what I mean...
 
2013-07-03 08:32:44 PM  
That's a really nice C&O caboose.
 
2013-07-03 08:38:36 PM  
How many rooms/beds in a plane that size? One? Two? Sounds neat, but you're not going to do big business with one plane, right?
 
2013-07-03 08:38:49 PM  

Kuta: Ok FARK libertarians, let's hear what you have to say about this...


Why shouldn't he be allowed to keep planes or railroad cars on his property?  Is it creating a hazard to anyone?  No?  Then fark it - let him park planes and trains and even ox carts on his property.

FTFA:

At the time, township trustees received complaints from residents asking that Guidicelli basically cease and desist from adding anymore unusual vehicles to his property.

Okay, so maybe he should rebel by adding a lot of usual vehicles to his property - maybe something like Honda Civics - as many as he can fit on his property.
 
2013-07-03 08:41:28 PM  
Wow.  One of Osho's planes?  That'll bring in the culties!
 
2013-07-03 08:41:49 PM  
it'll look good next to my school buses
 
2013-07-03 08:42:56 PM  
 
2013-07-03 08:45:05 PM  
"At first, the neighbors didn't understand what he was trying to do. They thought it was going to be a junkyard. I talked to them and they calmed down,"

So it looks like it will get approved.  He plans to use "upscale" porta-potties.
 
2013-07-03 08:47:46 PM  
Would any of you like it if your neighbor opened up a restaurant next door to you? Would you enjoy the extra traffic, and cars parked up and down your street?
 
2013-07-03 08:48:56 PM  
No, be wouldn't have employed four people trying to get people to stay in a place with no sewage or water access.

I do have a friend who lived in a caboose however.  It was...awkward.   Nothing fit right, everything was a little too small.  Like the bathroom door only opened halfway because it hit the bed.  Or fridge, I can't remember the exact layout.

/Mississippi
 
2013-07-03 08:50:04 PM  
http://www.trainstation.ca/

Train / Motel I keep meaning to go stay at some weekend.
 
2013-07-03 08:50:52 PM  
So much for my plan to put a retired oil tanker in the front yard and convert it into a shopping mall....
 
2013-07-03 08:54:21 PM  
I know after a long trip by air or rail, I look forward to spending the next few nights on a plane or in a farking train.


FTA : "I was looking at creative ways to create jobs. I could have employed four people at the time. I would run it from April to October."

videos.files.wordpress.com

"It woulda been my Empire."
 
2013-07-03 08:55:36 PM  

Cluckity: http://www.trainstation.ca/

Train / Motel I keep meaning to go stay at some weekethere's


there's also the Chatanooga Choo Choo
 
2013-07-03 08:55:58 PM  

Cluckity: http://www.trainstation.ca/

Train / Motel I keep meaning to go stay at some weekend.


My parents stayed there once with some friends and had a great time.
 
2013-07-03 08:57:04 PM  
Bah.  Property owners should have a damn near absolute right to do whatever they want with their own property.  As soon as the neighbors buy the yard then they can decide what to do with it.  Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew the sort of insane commie laws we have infringing on property owners rights.
 
2013-07-03 09:02:28 PM  
Do you need to be zoned commercial to run a B&B?  I honestly don't know.  I can see why people might complain though - you probably wouldn't want the single-family dwelling next door to you to be converted into a multi-family dwelling, which is basically what a B&B is as far as traffic is concerned.
 
2013-07-03 09:11:10 PM  

gfid: Okay, so maybe he should rebel by adding a lot of usual vehicles to his property - maybe something like Honda Civics - as many as he can fit on his property.


Yugos. That would be the way to go.
 
2013-07-03 09:21:10 PM  
That's kind of cool, I guess... turning a plane into a B and B.

(reads article)

Ah yes, the vacation hotspot of... Northern Ohio
 
2013-07-03 09:22:53 PM  
FTFA:
Trustees finally adopted a zoning ordinance making it illegal for township residents to keep planes, trains and other similar objects on their property.

Overly vague wording for the enforceability fail.
 
2013-07-03 09:30:05 PM  

Kuta: Ok FARK libertarians, let's hear what you have to say about this...


This is an interesting issue 'cause we're talking about two things (having a plane in your yard and opening a bed and breakfast).

Zoning/Codes are there essentially to protect others from harm. I have no issues with the dumbass wanting to keep a plane on his 4 acres... although... having lived on 5 acres, I can tell you it's really not that big. That thing has to be a giant eyesore for his neighbors. It's basically two football fields... so they gotta be able to see it.

As far as the B&B... that's a different issue. The deal breaker there is the septic/sewer problem. Overloading his septic system or adding another one would almost certainly affect the neighboring properties. That's why we have building codes for that kinda thing.

/libertarian
//not Libertarian
 
2013-07-03 09:33:54 PM  

gfid: FTFA:

At the time, township trustees received complaints from residents asking that Guidicelli basically cease and desist from adding anymore unusual vehicles to his property.

Okay, so maybe he should rebel by adding a lot of usual vehicles to his property - maybe something like Honda Civics - as many as he can fit on his property.



You think too small:

www.openjourney.com
I mean, if yer gonna go gaudy, go gaudy.
 
2013-07-03 09:43:03 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: gfid: FTFA:

At the time, township trustees received complaints from residents asking that Guidicelli basically cease and desist from adding anymore unusual vehicles to his property.

Okay, so maybe he should rebel by adding a lot of usual vehicles to his property - maybe something like Honda Civics - as many as he can fit on his property.


You think too small:

[www.openjourney.com image 500x333]
I mean, if yer gonna go gaudy, go gaudy.


That is not gaudy, its criminal.  Cars of that era should be lovingly restored, not treated like scrap.
 
2013-07-03 09:44:21 PM  
Aren't bed an breakfasts basically what people open when they want to start a business but don't really want to do any work?
 
2013-07-03 09:51:32 PM  

Kuta: Ok FARK libertarians, let's hear what you have to say about this...


OK, it is his property, so he should be able do what he farking wants.
 
2013-07-03 09:51:49 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aren't bed an breakfasts basically what people open when they want to start a business but don't really want to do any work?


www.ifc.com
/not according to this documentary I saw once
 
2013-07-03 09:51:56 PM  

bingethinker: Would any of you like it if your neighbor opened up a restaurant next door to you? Would you enjoy the extra traffic, and cars parked up and down your street?


What kind of restaurant are you talking about? A driv-thru eat&go monstrosity that people will be visiting 24/7 365; or a quaint B&B with minimal traffic that will only be open a few months a year.

I'd be dead against the former, I could negotiate with the latter.
 
2013-07-03 10:09:31 PM  
i44.tinypic.com
Looks like that is pretty well hidden to me.  His neighbors are a bunch of whiners.
 
2013-07-03 10:09:53 PM  
I think it's pretty farked up that you don't own your property, neighbors are arseholes, etc., etc.

Seriously...it's a  plane...how cool is that? His neighbors must be boring!

I'm going to be completely honest here and say that we have not always been the best neighbors. We have a lot of kids, (5, but to be fair they're teens and twenties now, so it's not that noisy), we have been messy, (working full time with 5 kids...sometimes you just have to let it go), and before a couple of kids moved out, we didn't have that much money for improvements. So our arsehole neighbors, (yuppy types), thought we were arseholes. We moved to the country. The house is not yet sold...so they still think we're arseholes, but we don't actually  live there, so we don't have to witness them hating us anymore. Well...most of the time anyway.

Soooo...my long winded point is that it's 5 acres, and the neighbors should mind their own, and he should be able to do what he wants. Plus, it's a  plane...it's not 15 rusted out tow trucks on wood blocks.
 
2013-07-03 10:14:00 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aren't bed an breakfasts basically what people open when they want to start a business but don't really want to do any work?


Not from where I sit.  Mrs Coast and I were in her hometown in Northern VA last weekend, and the house she grew up in is now a B&B.  She always wanted to see what the place looks like now, so we took a chance and called the place.  The owners very kindly let us look around (and she helped them sort out some questions they had) and believe me when I tell you that these people work their a$ses off pretty much around the clock.  It's just the couple who own it that do all the cooking/cleaning/maintenance/upkeep/repair, and they're pretty much confined to one small part of the house when they aren't working.
 
2013-07-03 10:30:50 PM  
I've always wanted a Caboose for a lake cabin or something similar.

/i was too poor when the SOO line liquidated about 100 of them 10 or so years ago.
 
2013-07-03 10:37:56 PM  
Been done before in many places: http://www.crookedbrains.net/2009/04/airplanes.html

Also, I remember reading few years ago about a company that was doing conversions to order; I think they would even deliver the airframe to the designated spot, mount it, and convert it into whatever you wanted: a house, a restaurant, bed and breakfast, you name it. I remember a picture of some airliner mounted on a pillar that allowed it to turn around, so people had different view all the time...
 
2013-07-03 11:06:32 PM  

take_flight: I think it's pretty farked up that you don't own your property, neighbors are arseholes, etc., etc.

Seriously...it's a  plane...how cool is that? His neighbors must be boring!

I'm going to be completely honest here and say that we have not always been the best neighbors. We have a lot of kids, (5, but to be fair they're teens and twenties now, so it's not that noisy), we have been messy, (working full time with 5 kids...sometimes you just have to let it go), and before a couple of kids moved out, we didn't have that much money for improvements. So our arsehole neighbors, (yuppy types), thought we were arseholes. We moved to the country. The house is not yet sold...so they still think we're arseholes, but we don't actually  live there, so we don't have to witness them hating us anymore. Well...most of the time anyway.

Soooo...my long winded point is that it's 5 acres, and the neighbors should mind their own, and he should be able to do what he wants. Plus, it's a  plane...it's not 15 rusted out tow trucks on wood blocks.


Do your kids bark whenever your neighbor opens their back door to try to get a breath of fresh air?  If not, you're better than my neighbor.  It's taking a lot of will power to stop myself from throwing all the shiat from my cat's litter box into their yard.  Well, that and it would take a bit of effort.  It is actually easier to just dump it in the toilet and flush.

It really does amaze me how inconsiderate people can be though.  I'm not really going to throw my cat's shiat into my neighbor's yard, but it's pretty clear to me that she has no intention of doing anything about her dog's incessant barking.
 
2013-07-03 11:33:10 PM  

gfid: take_flight: I think it's pretty farked up that you don't own your property, neighbors are arseholes, etc., etc.

Seriously...it's a  plane...how cool is that? His neighbors must be boring!

I'm going to be completely honest here and say that we have not always been the best neighbors. We have a lot of kids, (5, but to be fair they're teens and twenties now, so it's not that noisy), we have been messy, (working full time with 5 kids...sometimes you just have to let it go), and before a couple of kids moved out, we didn't have that much money for improvements. So our arsehole neighbors, (yuppy types), thought we were arseholes. We moved to the country. The house is not yet sold...so they still think we're arseholes, but we don't actually  live there, so we don't have to witness them hating us anymore. Well...most of the time anyway.

Soooo...my long winded point is that it's 5 acres, and the neighbors should mind their own, and he should be able to do what he wants. Plus, it's a  plane...it's not 15 rusted out tow trucks on wood blocks.

Do your kids bark whenever your neighbor opens their back door to try to get a breath of fresh air?  If not, you're better than my neighbor.  It's taking a lot of will power to stop myself from throwing all the shiat from my cat's litter box into their yard.  Well, that and it would take a bit of effort.  It is actually easier to just dump it in the toilet and flush.

It really does amaze me how inconsiderate people can be though.  I'm not really going to throw my cat's shiat into my neighbor's yard, but it's pretty clear to me that she has no intention of doing anything about her dog's incessant barking.


Actually, they were the ones with the barking dog. We did have a cat, she was spayed so she was indoor/outdoor. They hate cats. Sometimes I would see her sitting on their porch. She mysteriously disappeared.

 We kept our lawn mowed, we were mindful not to mow grass clippings in their yard, and stayed on the far side of our house as much as possible. We honestly tried to avoid them as much as we could because I swear I could smell the 'I'm better than you'.
 
2013-07-03 11:38:29 PM  

gfid: take_flight: I think it's pretty farked up that you don't own your property, neighbors are arseholes, etc., etc.

Seriously...it's a  plane...how cool is that? His neighbors must be boring!

I'm going to be completely honest here and say that we have not always been the best neighbors. We have a lot of kids, (5, but to be fair they're teens and twenties now, so it's not that noisy), we have been messy, (working full time with 5 kids...sometimes you just have to let it go), and before a couple of kids moved out, we didn't have that much money for improvements. So our arsehole neighbors, (yuppy types), thought we were arseholes. We moved to the country. The house is not yet sold...so they still think we're arseholes, but we don't actually  live there, so we don't have to witness them hating us anymore. Well...most of the time anyway.

Soooo...my long winded point is that it's 5 acres, and the neighbors should mind their own, and he should be able to do what he wants. Plus, it's a  plane...it's not 15 rusted out tow trucks on wood blocks.

Do your kids bark whenever your neighbor opens their back door to try to get a breath of fresh air?  If not, you're better than my neighbor.  It's taking a lot of will power to stop myself from throwing all the shiat from my cat's litter box into their yard.  Well, that and it would take a bit of effort.  It is actually easier to just dump it in the toilet and flush.

It really does amaze me how inconsiderate people can be though.  I'm not really going to throw my cat's shiat into my neighbor's yard, but it's pretty clear to me that she has no intention of doing anything about her dog's incessant barking.


I've heard some people have had success with those ultrasonic-bark-defender-disguised-as-bird-house contraptions.
 
2013-07-04 12:01:04 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Bah.  Property owners should have a damn near absolute right to do whatever they want with their own property.  As soon as the neighbors buy the yard then they can decide what to do with it.  Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew the sort of insane commie laws we have infringing on property owners rights.


You've never heard of Eminent Domain, huh.
 
2013-07-04 12:10:34 AM  
I'd totally be down for my neighbor having an airplane B&B. Maybe he will let us stay in it once in awhile on the off season. These people sound dull and stuffy.

There's a pretty sweet Chinese food restaurant inside a few dining cars near here, in Romoland. It's fun.
 
2013-07-04 12:12:44 AM  
Shouldn't that thing have a fire exit?  Or at least a second entrance?  Or is it going to be a one room thing?  Or just available for large gay swinging parties?
 
2013-07-04 12:19:21 AM  
Well if you ever wanted to join the mile high club but do it only six feet off the ground this is the place.
 
2013-07-04 01:01:42 AM  

fzumrk: [i44.tinypic.com image 850x565]
Looks like that is pretty well hidden to me.  His neighbors are a bunch of whiners.


Looks like a place where people move to get away from strangers, so a B&B of any kind would rub them wrong.
 
2013-07-04 11:26:40 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: [cf.drafthouse.com image 850x478]
"Trustees finally adopted a zoning ordinance making it illegal for township residents to keep planes, trains and other similar objects on their property. "


This reminds me of the time many years ago when a local rich guy wanted to put some retail stores on a chunk of property he had at the edge of town.  The opposite side of the road was already commercial and full of car dealerships but the town had gone full-NIMBY anti development since they went in.  After months of stonewalling he said, "Fine.  I'll put in a goddamn hog farm.  It's already zoned for that and there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop me.  Enjoy the smell."  So the property got rezoned and he started building his retail stores.

Of course, that wasn't the end.  After he'd graded the land and started building, some tool got a puddle classified as a wetland and tied up construction for about a year until that crap got cleared up.  (It really was a puddle.  A corner of the lot flooded after heavy rains.)
 
2013-07-04 12:36:15 PM  

bingethinker: Would any of you like it if your neighbor opened up a restaurant next door to you? Would you enjoy the extra traffic, and cars parked up and down your street?


You're comparing restaurant traffic to something that would probably bring in four additional vehicles to the street traffic?
 
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