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(Denver Post)   The first decade of the new millennium showed the most global warming EVAR. Nothing extreme here, move along citizens   (denverpost.com) divider line 33
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2013-07-03 12:55:59 PM
4 votes:
bradleydibble.authorsxpress.com
2013-07-03 01:35:25 PM
3 votes:
You can't trust scientists.  They only got into that business for the lucrative compensation and decadent perks that you can only get in university research.
2013-07-03 01:19:46 PM
3 votes:

DesertDemonWY: Grungehamster: But don't you see if we decide to set 1997/1998 as the baseline it suddenly proves there is no global warming? I've been assured that it does.

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forthesakeofdebate.files.wordpress.com
2013-07-03 12:57:35 PM
3 votes:

What it's like to be in Las Vegas today:


i44.tinypic.com

2013-07-03 04:13:29 PM
2 votes:

ikanreed: Corvus: DesertDemonWY: The only thing you have proved is you know how to copy pasta

I gave your 4 specific examples showing the IPCC predictions where more conservative then actually occurred (I have many many more) and your response is "Well I am just going to ignore that because I don't want to believe it".

The guy is an outright liar and a bad person.  I'm not convinced he's a paid shill, but he's definitely intellectually dishonest.  Say one thing, ignore the fact that it's wrong.


This is going to be his next chart. He doesn't need actual data points to make no line. Just draw the line you want an label it "Actual" that sounds good enough!!!

i43.tinypic.com
Bf+
2013-07-03 02:00:52 PM
2 votes:

awalkingecho: In b4 context-free graph wars.

americandigest.org
2013-07-03 01:59:51 PM
2 votes:
Science doesn't care if you like it. Science is a biatch like that.

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-07-03 01:58:36 PM
2 votes:

genner: Confabulat: Kirzania: Confabulat: The data we DO have is pretty evident though. I'm still not sure why certain people (i.e., right-wing Republicans) refuse to accept what is common sense, really. If you add a bunch of CO2 to the atmosphere, what do you THINK will happen? It's like they refuse to accept basic physics or something because it is a liberal plot to destroy the economy, or something.

While I say we need to take way better care of this planet than we do, I just have to argue here. Data can be so misleading. Can you say, without a doubt in your mind, that perhaps some kind of climate change has NEVER happened in the past? No. We've had ice ages, world-altering meteor strikes, etc, etc. Can you verify with only a couple 100 years of data that THIS CHANGE HAPPENING NOW is a direct correlation of CO2 in the atmosphere? You can't because no one was around before and there was no data to prove or disprove it. Who's to say it's not just time for the Earth to warm up for a bit?
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That's what climatologists DO. They figure out why things change.

I swear, global warming deniers say "natural variations!" and throw up their hands like that explains a damn thing. SCIENCE DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT.

Scientists don't go "natural variations!" and quit their jobs, idiot. They figure out what's up. Do you think it never occurred to a climatologist that "natural variations!" occur? Of course they know that! It's what they do!

The problem is there's too much money on both sides of the debate and not enough scientists that are willing to piss off the people who are giving them grant money. It's no wonder there's so little trust in the scientific method.

 DEEEEEERRRPPPPPPP.

Yeah, sweetie, there's just a TON of research money devoted to proving global warming. Everywhere I look, I see climatologists in Ferraris, graduate students with gold encrusted diamond suits. It's not that this is what the research shows, except for research conducted bypoil and coal companies.
2013-07-03 03:52:37 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: I concede my ignorance.  Regardless there's a ton of cherrypicking going on.  There's a ton of observational data available, and intentionally limiting your comparison to a subset is always going to reflect a bias.  Still, focusing on the upper atmosphere when the biggest changes are going on with surface and ocean temperatures is deceptive as hell.


If there's one thing that's certain, it's that Roy Spencer has a history of quick and shoddy analysis.
2013-07-03 03:10:13 PM
1 votes:
2001 - 2010?  Obviously, I blame Bush.
However, he inherited a terrible climate from Clinton, so it's not really his fault.
2013-07-03 03:08:05 PM
1 votes:
DesertDemonWY:

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Hey look it's this lie again, that doesn't site sources.  And it is a lie.  Stop lying, please.
Doesn't it make you feel any shame at all that you go to biased sources, don't check data, and put outright fabrications under your name?  Do you care?
2013-07-03 02:57:22 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: I swear, global warming deniers think the universe is run by magic or something.


It is the refrain of conspiracy theorists everywhere - if there is one tiny part of something they don't understand, that disproves the whole thing. Even if there are a thousand websites that clearly explain it, as long as they avoid going there they can believe whatever they like based on their own ignorance - look at moon landing hoaxers, they know some random fact about there being no wind on the moon, and they see a flag moving, therefore the entire thing is a hoax, never mind that things can move for reasons other than wind, or how the US convinced the USSR to go along with it. Equally the idea that uniquely climate scientists are perpetrating a massive hoax, while the real truth is funded by oil companies just trying to fight this corruption out of the goodness of their hearts, is just so mindbogglingly stupid it beggar's belief there are more than a handful of cranks that will accept it.
2013-07-03 02:40:03 PM
1 votes:
Watch me not care.
2013-07-03 01:59:20 PM
1 votes:
Pfft, everyone knows the climate scientists are in it for the cash and rock star lifestyle.
2013-07-03 01:57:49 PM
1 votes:

Kirzania: Who's to say it's not just time for the Earth to warm up for a bit?


Ooh. That's quite intellectually rigorous. Earth is warming "just 'cuz" - you should submit that for publication immediately and teach all those egghead moron scientists to start thinking about more obvious solutions to our problems.
2013-07-03 01:51:21 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: netizencain: "most global warming EVAR. "

"But going back to 1880"

The concept of time baffles most people.  Just like the reports of the hottest temperatures in Death Valley.  Oh really, then tell me the temperature in Death Valley on July 1st, 921 AD.  You can't... can you?  Recorded historical temperatures are so infinitesimally small.

I'm not denying global temperature rising, but I hate the science that some people use.

We only have reliable data so far in the past you know. No one was manning weather stations in 921 AD.

The data we DO have is pretty evident though. I'm still not sure why certain people (i.e., right-wing Republicans) refuse to accept what is common sense, really. If you add a bunch of CO2 to the atmosphere, what do you THINK will happen? It's like they refuse to accept basic physics or something because it is a liberal plot to destroy the economy, or something.


What do I think will happen? Trees will use the CO2 to produce more oxygen and grow. When trees get bigger, they create more shade, which is a good thing. And we'll all be more alert because there's more oxygen. Thus proving global warming is a farce.
2013-07-03 01:46:26 PM
1 votes:
"Who's to say it's not just time for Earth to warm up a bit?"

Well, WHY? Dumbass. Things don't just "happen."

Do you understand the concept of science at all?
2013-07-03 01:46:20 PM
1 votes:

not collecting stamps: Ahh, the church of global warming climate change (is that still what we are calling it this week?). And the misguided and narcissistic belief that we can break the planet. The planet will be fine, when she is tired of us she will shake us off like fleas and start over, as she has done before. But go on pushing that junk science, have fun trying to convince people that your data means something!


You probably argue that it's OK for everybody to poop in the public swimming pool. It's misguided and narcissistic to think we can impact the swimming pool. The pool will be fine. After all, animals and fish have been pooping in bodies of water since long before humans came on the scene and we still have water, don't we?

/I know it's a troll but how often do you get to talk about pooping in the swimming pool?
2013-07-03 01:46:17 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: It's too late to panic just try to enjoy the show.


If nobody panics there will be no show.
2013-07-03 01:45:46 PM
1 votes:
Local weather is not a reliable measure of global warming. And it's called climate change. The warming bit could be totally wrong and it still would suck.
2013-07-03 01:45:40 PM
1 votes:

mjohnson71: skinink: What it's like to be in Las Vegas today:
[i44.tinypic.com image 800x340]

Then stop building cities in the desert.

/I'm also looking at you Phoenix


www.inpapasbasement.com
2013-07-03 01:45:28 PM
1 votes:

Kirzania: Confabulat: The data we DO have is pretty evident though. I'm still not sure why certain people (i.e., right-wing Republicans) refuse to accept what is common sense, really. If you add a bunch of CO2 to the atmosphere, what do you THINK will happen? It's like they refuse to accept basic physics or something because it is a liberal plot to destroy the economy, or something.

While I say we need to take way better care of this planet than we do, I just have to argue here. Data can be so misleading. Can you say, without a doubt in your mind, that perhaps some kind of climate change has NEVER happened in the past? No. We've had ice ages, world-altering meteor strikes, etc, etc. Can you verify with only a couple 100 years of data that THIS CHANGE HAPPENING NOW is a direct correlation of CO2 in the atmosphere? You can't because no one was around before and there was no data to prove or disprove it. Who's to say it's not just time for the Earth to warm up for a bit?
[img.pandawhale.com image 600x450]


That's what climatologists DO. They figure out why things change.

I swear, global warming deniers say "natural variations!" and throw up their hands like that explains a damn thing. SCIENCE DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT.

Scientists don't go "natural variations!" and quit their jobs, idiot. They figure out what's up. Do you think it never occurred to a climatologist that "natural variations!" occur? Of course they know that! It's what they do!
2013-07-03 01:43:30 PM
1 votes:

Kirzania: beal99: it was 59 in chicago when I woke up today, more like global cooling

Here in Houston it was a fabulous 65 Monday morning. This morning it was around 75! Shockingly cold considering the 107 temp spike last Saturday. It's gonna be a gorgeous 4th.


But you'll still be in Houston.
2013-07-03 01:43:17 PM
1 votes:

Cathedralmaster: WelldeadLink: Confabulat: If you add a bunch of CO2 to the atmosphere, what do you THINK will happen? It's like they refuse to accept basic physics or something because it is a liberal plot to destroy the economy, or something.

If you accept the basic physics, not much will happen now.
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Based on the "work" of Willis Eschenbach.

Willis Eschenbach, blogger with a certificate in massage and a B.A. in Psychology. Has worked recently as an Accounts/IT Senior Manager with South Pacific Oil. Has produced no peer-reviewed papers on climate science according to the criteria set by Skeptical Science.

http://denierlist.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/willis-eschenbach/


Apparently, he can massage facts!


/booo hiss
2013-07-03 01:38:41 PM
1 votes:
I'm COUNTING on global warming. I'm retiring to New Hampshire. Could use a longer growing season...

/stop whining, build nuke power
2013-07-03 01:37:20 PM
1 votes:
I just wish those selfish climate change deniers would do us all a favor and pray the temperatures back down to normal.
2013-07-03 01:24:38 PM
1 votes:

TheSwissNavy: Clever...for 15 years the rate of warming has been > 0, BUT INFINITESIMAL.

If u dont see the stastical trick u r a fool. I mean, clearlyyy the solution is 100% UN Fascism.


It's funny. Those of us who get our science from scientists are suggesting that people try and conserve, reduce pollution, reduce dependance on middle east oil, participate in the profitable green energy industry, try to shift our energy production to greener sources, etc. Stuff like that.

But people who get their science from politicians claim the ridiculous strawman that you have above. We for some reason want to give the UN world domination. It is idiotic ... but you puppets endlessly parrot it.

It is like the other lie that gets parroted - that we want to introduce "economy destroying" measures. Who believes this drivel? Who actually wants to destroy their own economy and what government would actually implement measures like this?

And then there's the Big Bad UN. Most Fark threads the UN is portrayed as a completely ineffective organization that can only send "strongly worded letters". But in AGW threads they are evil masterminds bent on WORLD DOMINATION. Muh huh ha ha ha ha.

Sad.
2013-07-03 01:23:06 PM
1 votes:

cubic_spleen: Pipe down there, spanky. There's grown-up talking here.


Is he new or have I not been paying attention?
2013-07-03 01:02:25 PM
1 votes:
Don't worry, I've learned on Facebook that global warming is [slowing down/cycles/sun spots/a fraud/good for the economy/not even happening at all].
2013-07-03 12:58:48 PM
1 votes:
In b4 context-free graph wars.
2013-07-03 12:58:29 PM
1 votes:
So long and thanks for all the a few of the one fish and an ocean full of inedible jellies.
2013-07-03 12:53:44 PM
1 votes:

netizencain: "most global warming EVAR. "

"But going back to 1880"

The concept of time baffles most people.  Just like the reports of the hottest temperatures in Death Valley.  Oh really, then tell me the temperature in Death Valley on July 1st, 921 AD.  You can't... can you?  Recorded historical temperatures are so infinitesimally small.

I'm not denying global temperature rising, but I hate the science that some people use.


It maxed out at 34.7 degrees that day.

Celsius, of course.
2013-07-03 12:35:52 PM
1 votes:
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