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2013-07-03 12:08:15 PM  
Stop me if you've heard this one before, but what difference does it make?
 
2013-07-03 12:08:32 PM  

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."
 
2013-07-03 12:08:47 PM  
Heaven knows he's miserable now.
 
2013-07-03 12:08:51 PM  
Egyptians aren't happy with their quality of life hence why they're protesting yet again. There's going to be a giant diaspora soon of Egyptians emigrating to the United States and the United Kingdom. 80 million Egyptians is a lot. I would see about 10-20% leaving the country soon if Civil War broke out.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:09 PM  
Morsi:  wait
 
2013-07-03 12:09:10 PM  

what_now: But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


There is a difference between "I don't like your public policy, so here's a coup" and "You're systematically eliminating anyone in government that could say no to you and rewriting the Constitution to suit your needs, while organizing attacks on Coptics and other Muslim sects."
 
2013-07-03 12:09:11 PM  
Watching the live feed from Tahrir Square. Just a big crowd yelling blowing horns no official word.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:29 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:00 PM  
the government gets overthrown
a sudden force,a major blow
over out,the new comes in
coup d'éat
give me a bomb
a molotov
it's a coup d'éat!
the generalisimo sets up shop
step out of line
your neck's on the block
armies marching through the streets
dressed so sharp,dressed so neat
coup d'éat
coup d'éat
first the president then his wife
we'll take them for ranson
or take their lives
attack their embassy
they are our enemies
el presidente smokes cigars
whoever he does not like
he shoots or put behind bars
coup d'éat
coup d'éat
 
2013-07-03 12:10:02 PM  
BBC comes through. The US cables are showing this guy or this guy in the finals for photogenic defendant.

i2.wp.com encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:10:22 PM  

netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."


I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?
 
2013-07-03 12:10:32 PM  

hawcian: Thank goodness CNN has a little window letting us know there's a coup underway in Egypt. Wouldn't want to take away from a lawyer droning on in the Zimmerman trial.


I loled, and hard.

Now there's this club that I want to go to. I could meet somebody who really loves me.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:33 PM  
This place just got interesting.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:10:49 PM  

netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."


No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.  And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:57 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


Problem is the military gave him a choice:  either reach an agreement with the protesters or we'll make one for you.  The Muslim Brotherhood may be strong, but we're talking a military that let Sadat get offed and helped take Mubarak down.  Unless the MB really wanted to get the other ME powers involved (read: Iran, Syria) and escalate it, it was going to go this way.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:09 PM  

WTF Indeed: [www.medpagetoday.com image 500x391]

RIP Morsi


If only he were under house arrest.  <sigh>
 
2013-07-03 12:11:33 PM  

what_now: I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


The military(Trained and educated in the US) have been holding meetings with all the other groups in the nation on a transitional government.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:36 PM  

Teiritzamna: This is more a situation where before the Arab Spring, the actual power of Egypt was the military, after it, the actual power of Egypt was the military, and with the removal of Morsi, the actual power of Egypt will be the military.


Precisely this; an interlude of window-dressing so the army can now say, "see, we tried democracy and it was chaos because the army disappeared for a while instead of maintaining order in the streets."

Like the time America had that black president.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:58 PM  

FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.


Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.
 
2013-07-03 12:12:01 PM  

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Sometimes democracy is messy. Seems like these people would rather they get to choose who rules than Morsi.
 
2013-07-03 12:12:51 PM  

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


Robespierre was elected.  Saint-Just was elected.

Being elected isn't protection for being a bad guy.  Making the people who elected you think you're improving their lives is.  Morsi thought he could follow the Karzai plan by winning an 'election' and then ruling like a dictator.  But he doesn't have the confidence of any group to actually do that, and it's encouraging that the military seems to be resisting being bought off this time.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:51 PM  

what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.


I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:56 PM  
Good times for a change. Seems the life they've had could make a good man bad.
 
2013-07-03 12:14:25 PM  

netweavr: This is the US media reporting what Egyptian "media" is claiming. In other words, two notoriously crappy sources of news citing each other.

Take it with a grain of salt.


What are CNN and the NY Post reporting?
 
2013-07-03 12:14:28 PM  
Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:04 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.


Between and then under, and then behind.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:23 PM  

Xanadone: WTF Indeed: [www.medpagetoday.com image 500x391]

RIP Morsi

If only he were under house arrest.  <sigh>


He practically is. Morrissey is famous for being quite the reclusive celebrity. And for being loved by fat, gothic, asian and mexican girls everywhere.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


Biggest thing from a moralist point of view: he put out decrees back in November that said the courts were not allowed to despute the legality of his decrees.

Bigges thing from the realist point of view: the economy is in the can, tourism is dead, unemployment is through the roof, inflation is rampant, and he's not seen as doing anything about it. It's like the reason the Arab Spring happened in the first place: nothing was a larger factor than the price of bread doubling in a matter of weeks. The Middle Eastern leaders who survived it either found a way to address the problems politically (Saudi Arabia) or cracked down on dissidents as hard as they could.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:40 PM  
from al Jazeera's news ticker:

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAYS A MILITARY COUP IS UNDER WAY IN EGYPT AND THAT GROUP WILL STAND BETWEEN PRESIDENT AND TANKS

Good.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:44 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.

3.29 in Florida


2.88 in Indy
 
2013-07-03 12:15:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?

Sometimes democracy is messy. Seems like these people would rather they get to choose who rules than Morsi.


Yes, but they CHOOSE Morsi.

I get that he's a dick- I'm not saying he's not- but what happens when the get the next guy, and HE pisses off a faction of the military?

WTF Indeed: what_now: I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?

The military(Trained and educated in the US) have been holding meetings with all the other groups in the nation on a transitional government.


great! Maybe they'll get a good guy to rule Egypt. But he'll be there as a result of a military coup, not an election.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:56 PM  

what_now: understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


When Mubarak was forced out, the military ruled until elections were held, which took about a year and a half, although that also involved writing a new constitution and complete reformation of the government.  In theory, this time the framework is already in place for a transition to new elections.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:57 PM  
GOOD.

Now maybe the next elected president won't promise the moon to people just to get elected and won't focus solely on strengthening his own political framework at the expense of the Egyptian people.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:57 PM  

bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.


Yep.. Whichever Islamic extremist they elect into power this time will be much different than all the other Islamic extremists..

They do it to themselves. I don't even care about this Egypt story at this point.
 
2013-07-03 12:16:16 PM  
i221.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 12:16:31 PM  
OBAMA HAS RUINED THE MIDDLE EAST!!
 
2013-07-03 12:17:25 PM  
Morsi's spokesman denied the report

Great, is this the iraqi information minister v.2? Are we gonna see tanks in the background of the video?
 
2013-07-03 12:17:31 PM  
 
2013-07-03 12:17:47 PM  

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Theoretically there's a roadmap already laid out. There will be an interim ruling technocracy body and elections in the near future (I could be remembering incorrectly).

DarnoKonrad: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.  And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.


If you start making rules that changes the game, don't be surprised when people stop playing.

The protests have been estimated in the millions in a country that numbers less than 100 million. I think it's safe to call it a popular movement.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:06 PM  

topcon: Heaven knows he's miserable now.


He's lost all political power, no matter else happens.  You could say that he's the son and the heir of nothing in particular.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:12 PM  
Is it me or is anybody else feeling a bit jealous that Egypt as a country got off it's ass and made a change? This is coming from a conservative, not aiming at current administration but at our whole "fark you because we can" government.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:48 PM  

what_now: great! Maybe they'll get a good guy to rule Egypt. But he'll be there as a result of a military coup, not an election.


Elections will be held after the transitional government. This problem arose because you have military that doesn't want to be in charge anymore, a nation at an economic tipping point, and a President who cared more about ensure his power than fixing the nation. This is a self -preservation by the army, if the government can't operate then they have no power.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.

I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.


More like the transition from monarchy to Republic in France.  Eventually there it just ended up in another monarchy because they people were so tired of internal conflict they backed the guy who seemed to be winning abroad (Napolean).

Whoever rises to the top in Egypt will have a problem in that there likely won't be an external enemy to focus on.  Israel is out, for obvious reasons.  It's possible if Islamist governments take over in Libya and Sudan that they could try to export that to Egypt, giving a secular government a cause to rally against, but that seems unlikely.

I think the best (and most likely) outcome is that in a decade or so we have a Turkey-style democracy, where there are multiparty, free and fair elections, but with the military sitting off to the side making damn sure that all Islamist influences are scrubbed out.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:36 PM  
You hurt your shoulder reaching for that headline, subby?
 
2013-07-03 12:19:55 PM  
Since it's about a week before Ramadan, the famous month of "Save a little room for desert, in fact don't eat all day, we be feasting all night" the Egyptians would like some time off for some grocery shopping without the Mormon Brotherhood messing everything up.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:58 PM  

Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?


Up? In California, that would be "down" to $4.
 
2013-07-03 12:20:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.


saw as low as $3.21 and as high as $3.51 for regular here in north ft worth/keller/alliance areas yesterday
 
2013-07-03 12:21:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.

I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.


with a dash of military?

They have a strong stable generally non-partisian governmental institution thats pro-people in place that actually doesn't want that power... and its pro-US as well...
 
2013-07-03 12:22:13 PM  
I was looking for a revolution and I found one, and heaven knows I'm miserable now.
 
2013-07-03 12:22:14 PM  

Nabb1: You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?


He is human and he needs to be loved, just like everybody else does.
 
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