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2013-07-03 11:58:09 AM  
Good
 
2013-07-03 11:59:21 AM  
Geez, Morsi doesn't have to be all emo about getting kicked out of office.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:28 AM  
Surely democracy will work next time.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:34 AM  
Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?
 
2013-07-03 11:59:34 AM  
Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:34 AM  
You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?
 
2013-07-03 11:59:43 AM  
Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?
 
2013-07-03 11:59:46 AM  
This is the US media reporting what Egyptian "media" is claiming. In other words, two notoriously crappy sources of news citing each other.

Take it with a grain of salt.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:50 AM  
As one guy said in the last thread; Morsi was the fairest elected leader of Egypt in living memory and he was taking steps to make sure of that.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:01 PM  
As long as it doesn't interfere with The Monkees Revisited Tour I'm OK with it.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:31 PM  
So you go and you stand on your own, and you leave on your own and you... oh wait, no you don't.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:34 PM  
He does have a shyness that is criminally vulgar.
 
2013-07-03 12:01:05 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


You'd biatch about it either way, that's for certain.
"Wah wah wah, Muslims have took over Egypt."
"Wah wah wah, military has removed the Muslim dictator that was fairly elected, wah wah wah."
 
2013-07-03 12:01:07 PM  
You shut your mouth, how can you say he  goes about things the wrong way
 
2013-07-03 12:01:14 PM  
Not unexpected but Faaaark.
 
2013-07-03 12:01:32 PM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-07-03 12:01:35 PM  

Griftin Rubes: You shut your mouth, how can you say he  goes about things the wrong way


he is human and he needs to be loooooooved
 
2013-07-03 12:01:41 PM  
What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.
 
2013-07-03 12:01:54 PM  
www.medpagetoday.com

RIP Morsi
 
2013-07-03 12:01:59 PM  
CNN is sticking with the George Zimmerman trial with a small screen in Cairo as thing are going batty.

/it's not news
//it's CNN
 
2013-07-03 12:02:03 PM  
This happens so much over there I don't even give a shait anymore.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:04 PM  

Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?


uh, it's already there
 
2013-07-03 12:02:31 PM  
And now he knows how Joan of Arc felt.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:36 PM  
Ruh roh.

Militant islamist government blowing up Egyptian cultural heritage in 5... 4... 3...
 
2013-07-03 12:02:41 PM  

bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.


The US declared independence from England in 1776. George Washington became President in 1789. In between, we had the Continental Congress, the Articles of Confederation, and essentially 13 little nations with a common coin and army.

These things don't always work flawlessly the first time. Give the Egyptians some time, and be thankful that their military seems to be big on the Rule of Law.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:55 PM  
We hate it when our friends become successful.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:55 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.
 
2013-07-03 12:03:21 PM  

FullMetalPanda: Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?


HOLY SHIAT, that's who he is! I knew he reminded me of somebody.
 
2013-07-03 12:03:48 PM  
Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...
 
2013-07-03 12:03:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.

You'd biatch about it either way, that's for certain.
"Wah wah wah, Muslims have took over Egypt."
"Wah wah wah, military has removed the Muslim dictator that was fairly elected, wah wah wah."


Yes. Both of those are pretty shiatty outcomes, I think.

Morsi's job was to help formulate a new constitution. The anti-Islamists wanted nothing to do with the process, and now are pissed that they were left out. For the most part, Morsi has been a pitiable bystander in watching his country get torn apart.

Think of Morsi as Obama and the protestors as the House Republicans. The ideals may be different, but the tactics are very similar.
 
2013-07-03 12:04:15 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


This is not a coup.  A coup suggests a framework in which a strong military decides to take over a previously independent government.

This is more a situation where before the Arab Spring, the actual power of Egypt was the military, after it, the actual power of Egypt was the military, and with the removal of Morsi, the actual power of Egypt will be the military.

It is somewhat similar to discussions of Iran electing a reformer president, which sounds heartening until you realize that the actual power both before, during and after Ahmadinejad was always the Supreme Cleric.
 
2013-07-03 12:04:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.

You'd biatch about it either way, that's for certain.
"Wah wah wah, Muslims have took over Egypt."
"Wah wah wah, military has removed the Muslim dictator that was fairly elected, wah wah wah."


To be fair, sometimes all paths out of a terrible situation are, themselves, terrible.  If this gets it through the collective consciousness of their leaders that elected doesn't mean all-powerful, then there's hope for the next election.  I'm not sure I believe that.
 
2013-07-03 12:04:43 PM  

Glendale: This happens so much over there I don't even give a shait anymore.


This is only the second time in quite a while that Egypt has tried to change power. The first being from a dictator to a democracy, and now being "hey you suck at democracy, Morsi and MB, let's fix this/Nuh uh the MB is fine ignore the protests." It's not like this happens every 3 years or something.
 
2013-07-03 12:04:46 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


I think when he came out and said the Egyptian constitution doesn't apply to him was the beginning of the end but yeah economics and crime/corruption are hurting him too.
 
2013-07-03 12:05:01 PM  

russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...


That's because it's propaganda at this point. US Media doesn't actually fact-check before publishing.
 
2013-07-03 12:05:13 PM  
I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.

Though it might give us a chance to get in a more radical Islamic president who'll finish off the non-muslim Egyptian population for good.
 
2013-07-03 12:05:26 PM  

Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?


Why would prices drop?

/lives in Chicago
 
2013-07-03 12:05:30 PM  

FullMetalPanda: Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?


The governor of New York use to be a cab driver?
 
2013-07-03 12:05:33 PM  
Dish Network channel 280 RT is showing real news.
 
2013-07-03 12:05:44 PM  

Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there


Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:03 PM  

netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.


But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:16 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


no one really started the fire... it was always burning, since the worlds been turning
 
2013-07-03 12:06:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.


3.29 in Florida
 
2013-07-03 12:06:35 PM  
Like Iran's protests. . .remember those delusional threads on Fark?. . . .I'm not so sure this is going to pan out for the protesters, who, like Iran, might represent a small but vocal minority.

Morsi won a majority of votes, and the Muslim Brotherhood has deep roots in Egypt.  It's not out of possibility to say the military has miscalculated here.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:46 PM  

russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...


They are now.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:48 PM  
I'm just glad both sides blame America for this. The protestors are holding up anti-Obama messages accusing America of backing Morsi the same way we did Mubarak. Morsi has suggested that any success the protestors have is a sign the West is trying to stamp out the Muslim Brotherhood and is manipulating events in Egypt. In other words, both sides are butthurt over their belief we masterminded a dispute we had jack all to do with.

Let's see how the military deals with this: go the democratic route again, or decide to forgo the appearance that they haven't been running the country they've been keeping up for decades.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:53 PM  

reillan: Griftin Rubes: You shut your mouth, how can you say he  goes about things the wrong way

he is human and he needs to be loooooooved


Just like everybody else does.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:55 PM  

YixilTesiphon: FullMetalPanda: Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?

HOLY SHIAT, that's who he is! I knew he reminded me of somebody.


Patterson? You guys are not wrong.
 
2013-07-03 12:07:26 PM  
Why are people so shocked an appalled at this?  Revolutions aren't one-shot deals, and then everything is fairies and roses.  Look at the two bbiggies: America went through a major evolution in the idea of democracy in the first 15 years after the Declaration of Independance (roughly, I don't recall exactly how long the Articles of Confederation where in place), and nearly a century later killed millions settling the final balance between states and federal power.  France went through a half-century, two republics, two Empires, and two monarchies before they got things settled down reasonably well; but were STILL tweaking the process into the 50's when de Gaulle did basically what the Egyptian Army is doing now.

If Egypt has a Washington / de Gaulle figure, a military leader who can use the Army to gain leadership, and then remove the ability to do so right after that, then they will probably be alright.  But it's going to be decades before Egypt, Libya, and Syria have this sorted out.

/Algeria and Tunisia might actually be further along in this process, Morocco seems to be there.  Turkey is in the final stages of this (I think constitutional revision is coming, rather than revolution), Iraq is a huge mess, and Iran needs its own new revolution.  Israel seems to be going in the other direction, towards a democratic theocracy/apartheid state
 
2013-07-03 12:07:37 PM  
Thank goodness CNN has a little window letting us know there's a coup underway in Egypt. Wouldn't want to take away from a lawyer droning on in the Zimmerman trial.
 
2013-07-03 12:08:15 PM  
Stop me if you've heard this one before, but what difference does it make?
 
2013-07-03 12:08:32 PM  

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."
 
2013-07-03 12:08:47 PM  
Heaven knows he's miserable now.
 
2013-07-03 12:08:51 PM  
Egyptians aren't happy with their quality of life hence why they're protesting yet again. There's going to be a giant diaspora soon of Egyptians emigrating to the United States and the United Kingdom. 80 million Egyptians is a lot. I would see about 10-20% leaving the country soon if Civil War broke out.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:09 PM  
Morsi:  wait
 
2013-07-03 12:09:10 PM  

what_now: But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


There is a difference between "I don't like your public policy, so here's a coup" and "You're systematically eliminating anyone in government that could say no to you and rewriting the Constitution to suit your needs, while organizing attacks on Coptics and other Muslim sects."
 
2013-07-03 12:09:11 PM  
Watching the live feed from Tahrir Square. Just a big crowd yelling blowing horns no official word.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:29 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:00 PM  
the government gets overthrown
a sudden force,a major blow
over out,the new comes in
coup d'éat
give me a bomb
a molotov
it's a coup d'éat!
the generalisimo sets up shop
step out of line
your neck's on the block
armies marching through the streets
dressed so sharp,dressed so neat
coup d'éat
coup d'éat
first the president then his wife
we'll take them for ranson
or take their lives
attack their embassy
they are our enemies
el presidente smokes cigars
whoever he does not like
he shoots or put behind bars
coup d'éat
coup d'éat
 
2013-07-03 12:10:02 PM  
BBC comes through. The US cables are showing this guy or this guy in the finals for photogenic defendant.

i2.wp.com encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:10:22 PM  

netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."


I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?
 
2013-07-03 12:10:32 PM  

hawcian: Thank goodness CNN has a little window letting us know there's a coup underway in Egypt. Wouldn't want to take away from a lawyer droning on in the Zimmerman trial.


I loled, and hard.

Now there's this club that I want to go to. I could meet somebody who really loves me.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:33 PM  
This place just got interesting.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:10:49 PM  

netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."


No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.  And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.
 
2013-07-03 12:10:57 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


Problem is the military gave him a choice:  either reach an agreement with the protesters or we'll make one for you.  The Muslim Brotherhood may be strong, but we're talking a military that let Sadat get offed and helped take Mubarak down.  Unless the MB really wanted to get the other ME powers involved (read: Iran, Syria) and escalate it, it was going to go this way.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:09 PM  

WTF Indeed: [www.medpagetoday.com image 500x391]

RIP Morsi


If only he were under house arrest.  <sigh>
 
2013-07-03 12:11:33 PM  

what_now: I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


The military(Trained and educated in the US) have been holding meetings with all the other groups in the nation on a transitional government.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:36 PM  

Teiritzamna: This is more a situation where before the Arab Spring, the actual power of Egypt was the military, after it, the actual power of Egypt was the military, and with the removal of Morsi, the actual power of Egypt will be the military.


Precisely this; an interlude of window-dressing so the army can now say, "see, we tried democracy and it was chaos because the army disappeared for a while instead of maintaining order in the streets."

Like the time America had that black president.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:58 PM  

FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.


Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.
 
2013-07-03 12:12:01 PM  

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Sometimes democracy is messy. Seems like these people would rather they get to choose who rules than Morsi.
 
2013-07-03 12:12:51 PM  

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


Robespierre was elected.  Saint-Just was elected.

Being elected isn't protection for being a bad guy.  Making the people who elected you think you're improving their lives is.  Morsi thought he could follow the Karzai plan by winning an 'election' and then ruling like a dictator.  But he doesn't have the confidence of any group to actually do that, and it's encouraging that the military seems to be resisting being bought off this time.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:51 PM  

what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.


I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:56 PM  
Good times for a change. Seems the life they've had could make a good man bad.
 
2013-07-03 12:14:25 PM  

netweavr: This is the US media reporting what Egyptian "media" is claiming. In other words, two notoriously crappy sources of news citing each other.

Take it with a grain of salt.


What are CNN and the NY Post reporting?
 
2013-07-03 12:14:28 PM  
Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:04 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.


Between and then under, and then behind.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:23 PM  

Xanadone: WTF Indeed: [www.medpagetoday.com image 500x391]

RIP Morsi

If only he were under house arrest.  <sigh>


He practically is. Morrissey is famous for being quite the reclusive celebrity. And for being loved by fat, gothic, asian and mexican girls everywhere.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


Biggest thing from a moralist point of view: he put out decrees back in November that said the courts were not allowed to despute the legality of his decrees.

Bigges thing from the realist point of view: the economy is in the can, tourism is dead, unemployment is through the roof, inflation is rampant, and he's not seen as doing anything about it. It's like the reason the Arab Spring happened in the first place: nothing was a larger factor than the price of bread doubling in a matter of weeks. The Middle Eastern leaders who survived it either found a way to address the problems politically (Saudi Arabia) or cracked down on dissidents as hard as they could.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:40 PM  
from al Jazeera's news ticker:

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAYS A MILITARY COUP IS UNDER WAY IN EGYPT AND THAT GROUP WILL STAND BETWEEN PRESIDENT AND TANKS

Good.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:44 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.

3.29 in Florida


2.88 in Indy
 
2013-07-03 12:15:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?

Sometimes democracy is messy. Seems like these people would rather they get to choose who rules than Morsi.


Yes, but they CHOOSE Morsi.

I get that he's a dick- I'm not saying he's not- but what happens when the get the next guy, and HE pisses off a faction of the military?

WTF Indeed: what_now: I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?

The military(Trained and educated in the US) have been holding meetings with all the other groups in the nation on a transitional government.


great! Maybe they'll get a good guy to rule Egypt. But he'll be there as a result of a military coup, not an election.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:56 PM  

what_now: understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


When Mubarak was forced out, the military ruled until elections were held, which took about a year and a half, although that also involved writing a new constitution and complete reformation of the government.  In theory, this time the framework is already in place for a transition to new elections.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:57 PM  
GOOD.

Now maybe the next elected president won't promise the moon to people just to get elected and won't focus solely on strengthening his own political framework at the expense of the Egyptian people.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:57 PM  

bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.


Yep.. Whichever Islamic extremist they elect into power this time will be much different than all the other Islamic extremists..

They do it to themselves. I don't even care about this Egypt story at this point.
 
2013-07-03 12:16:16 PM  
i221.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 12:16:31 PM  
OBAMA HAS RUINED THE MIDDLE EAST!!
 
2013-07-03 12:17:25 PM  
Morsi's spokesman denied the report

Great, is this the iraqi information minister v.2? Are we gonna see tanks in the background of the video?
 
2013-07-03 12:17:31 PM  
 
2013-07-03 12:17:47 PM  

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Theoretically there's a roadmap already laid out. There will be an interim ruling technocracy body and elections in the near future (I could be remembering incorrectly).

DarnoKonrad: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.  And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.


If you start making rules that changes the game, don't be surprised when people stop playing.

The protests have been estimated in the millions in a country that numbers less than 100 million. I think it's safe to call it a popular movement.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:06 PM  

topcon: Heaven knows he's miserable now.


He's lost all political power, no matter else happens.  You could say that he's the son and the heir of nothing in particular.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:12 PM  
Is it me or is anybody else feeling a bit jealous that Egypt as a country got off it's ass and made a change? This is coming from a conservative, not aiming at current administration but at our whole "fark you because we can" government.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:48 PM  

what_now: great! Maybe they'll get a good guy to rule Egypt. But he'll be there as a result of a military coup, not an election.


Elections will be held after the transitional government. This problem arose because you have military that doesn't want to be in charge anymore, a nation at an economic tipping point, and a President who cared more about ensure his power than fixing the nation. This is a self -preservation by the army, if the government can't operate then they have no power.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.

I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.


More like the transition from monarchy to Republic in France.  Eventually there it just ended up in another monarchy because they people were so tired of internal conflict they backed the guy who seemed to be winning abroad (Napolean).

Whoever rises to the top in Egypt will have a problem in that there likely won't be an external enemy to focus on.  Israel is out, for obvious reasons.  It's possible if Islamist governments take over in Libya and Sudan that they could try to export that to Egypt, giving a secular government a cause to rally against, but that seems unlikely.

I think the best (and most likely) outcome is that in a decade or so we have a Turkey-style democracy, where there are multiparty, free and fair elections, but with the military sitting off to the side making damn sure that all Islamist influences are scrubbed out.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:36 PM  
You hurt your shoulder reaching for that headline, subby?
 
2013-07-03 12:19:55 PM  
Since it's about a week before Ramadan, the famous month of "Save a little room for desert, in fact don't eat all day, we be feasting all night" the Egyptians would like some time off for some grocery shopping without the Mormon Brotherhood messing everything up.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:58 PM  

Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?


Up? In California, that would be "down" to $4.
 
2013-07-03 12:20:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.


saw as low as $3.21 and as high as $3.51 for regular here in north ft worth/keller/alliance areas yesterday
 
2013-07-03 12:21:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: what_now: FrancoFile: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

And then changed the constitution to make Egypt a semi-theocracy.

Right. It's almost like when you elected the leader of the "Muslim Brotherhood" you'd get religious laws. I understand that this guy is over reaching and needs to go, and I also get that Egypt isn't going to turn into a democratic state overnight, but the people who are all "WOOOO DEMOCRACY WORKS" are farking crazy.

I look at this as more like the transition between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.


with a dash of military?

They have a strong stable generally non-partisian governmental institution thats pro-people in place that actually doesn't want that power... and its pro-US as well...
 
2013-07-03 12:22:13 PM  
I was looking for a revolution and I found one, and heaven knows I'm miserable now.
 
2013-07-03 12:22:14 PM  

Nabb1: You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?


He is human and he needs to be loved, just like everybody else does.
 
2013-07-03 12:22:33 PM  

Therion: from al Jazeera's news ticker:

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAYS A MILITARY COUP IS UNDER WAY IN EGYPT AND THAT GROUP WILL STAND BETWEEN PRESIDENT AND TANKS

Good.


Hope they realize they'll be soldiers AND protesters going along with those tanks.  Sucks to be them.
 
2013-07-03 12:23:35 PM  

netweavr: I think it's safe to call it a popular movement.


More like confirmation bias.  Remember the Iran threads?  To this day there is *zero* evidence of election manipulation, and indeed, in retrospect Amadeenajad was the moderate candidate.  That all gets lost in western narratives.  The Muslim Brotherhood has been active for *decades.*  It would be really foolish to act like their base of power evaporated in a few months.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:14 PM  
Panic on the streets of..........Cairo?
 
2013-07-03 12:24:21 PM  
What I imagine the view is form the Morsi's palace:

mantiseye.com
 
2013-07-03 12:24:31 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.

Though it might give us a chance to get in a more radical Islamic president who'll finish off the non-muslim Egyptian population for good.


Not sure if serious.

How is this illegal?  Aren't all coups illegal, if that's the case?  Isn't what we did to the British during the Revolution illegal?

I think my point is, there is no reason to make a distinction here.  Legality doesn't apply.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:34 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Is it me or is anybody else feeling a bit jealous that Egypt as a country got off it's ass and made a change? This is coming from a conservative, not aiming at current administration but at our whole "fark you because we can" government.


The difference is that they had a green field opportunity to put someone progressive into power and instead they went with Islamic Extremist number 1. If we had a green field opportunity would we elect GOP talking head number 1 and Democrat talking head number 1?

Will they now elect Islamic Extremist number 2? Probably.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:39 PM  

Kevin72: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

Up? In California, that would be "down" to $4.


This.  In my neck of the woods, it would be way down to $4
 
2013-07-03 12:25:37 PM  
THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!
 
2013-07-03 12:25:37 PM  
I sometimes wish our military had the same resolve when Bush the Lesser was in power.
 
2013-07-03 12:25:47 PM  

xynix: The difference is that they had a green field opportunity to put someone progressive into power and instead they went with Islamic Extremist number 1. If we had a green field opportunity would we elect GOP talking head number 1 and Democrat talking head number 1?


I guy can dream though.
 
2013-07-03 12:25:59 PM  
Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.
    
 
2013-07-03 12:26:32 PM  

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...

They are now.


link?
 
2013-07-03 12:27:51 PM  

DarnoKonrad: No it's not. Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats. That means you make the rules. And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.


Getting 50.01% of the vote doesn't mean you can have all your opponents executed then raped.

I really hate this attitude among some people that winning an election means you have unlimited permission to do whatever you want without any consequence.
 
2013-07-03 12:27:55 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.


Of course we will.  Our government has been thoroughly infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood operatives.

(This is what Republicans believe, right?)
 
2013-07-03 12:28:03 PM  
A SECOND COUP HAS HIT THE SOUTH PYRAMID
 
2013-07-03 12:28:52 PM  

DarnoKonrad: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.


Really?  I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:54 PM  

cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 12:29:06 PM  

mainstreet62: A SECOND COUP HAS HIT THE SOUTH PYRAMID


+1
 
2013-07-03 12:29:31 PM  
 Also there is about to be a civil war. People don't just get that close, and just say awww fark it when they meet resistance. It is about to get real deal happy meal
 
2013-07-03 12:29:41 PM  
I guess the lesson learned here is democracy only works when the voting public ISN'T a bunch of religious nut-job fundies.
Let the lobbyists choose our leaders, unwashed Joe-public.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Red Shirt Blues: Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.

Between and then under, and then behind.


{evil laughter}
 
2013-07-03 12:30:05 PM  
Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed...
 
2013-07-03 12:30:18 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: DarnoKonrad: No it's not. Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats. That means you make the rules. And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.

Getting 50.01% of the vote doesn't mean you can have all your opponents executed then raped.

I really hate this attitude among some people that winning an election means you have unlimited permission to do whatever you want without any consequence.



Hyperbole on your part.  Morsi's real problem is the economy.  Don't fool yourself.  "People rise up against evil Muslim leader" is a narrative western minds understand, which is why it's pushed, but it doesn't represent the complexities of the situation.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:43 PM  

Kurohone: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

Robespierre was elected.  Saint-Just was elected.


Must ... resist ... urge .... to Godwin.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:44 PM  

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Spiro Agnew? Dan Quayle? Dick Cheney?
 
2013-07-03 12:30:45 PM  

HypnozombieX: Also there is about to be a civil war. People don't just get that close, and just say awww fark it when they meet resistance. It is about to get real deal happy meal


Since it seems like most if not all of the military is on one side of this thing, it will be a short war.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 12:31:04 PM  
Egyptians hate it when their friends become successful.

And if it's Morsi, that makes it even worse.
 
2013-07-03 12:31:29 PM  

cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!


NY Post Reports 12 Morsis on Plane
 
2013-07-03 12:32:43 PM  
I guess Morsi can feel the soil falling over his head.
 
2013-07-03 12:32:48 PM  
One flew over the coup coup nest.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:07 PM  

ciberido: Really? I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.


Read the link.  "checks and balances" is specific our dysfunctional system.  Most parliamentary democracies  around the world think our system is undemocratic and stupid, and they're largely right.


sure if you're an American "checks and balances" might as well be written by Jesus, but no, most of the world does not practice "checks and balances."
 
2013-07-03 12:33:08 PM  
I bet this will hurt Obama's re-election chances.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:16 PM  
Maybe he'll be a witness in the George Zimmerman case.  He does have a mustache.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:29 PM  
Hope they can elect a moderate... Perhaps outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood or former members from being allowed to run for office... worked with Germany right?
 
2013-07-03 12:34:33 PM  
travel ban extends to:

Muhammad Badie (Arabic: محمد بديع Muḥammad Badīʿ, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd bæˈdiːʕ]) (born 1943) is the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.[1] He has headed the Egyptian branch of the international Islamist organization since 2010. Before becoming general guide, Badi'e had been a member of the group's governing council, the Guidance Bureau, since 1996.

Mohammed Khairat Saad El-Shater[1] (Arabic: محمد خيرت سعد الشاطر, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈxæjɾæt ˈsæʕd eʃˈʃɑːtˤeɾ]; born 4 May 1950) is an Egyptian engineer, businessman and Islamist political activist. He was the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate for the Egyptian presidential election in 2012 before disqualification by the election commission. Previously, he was the deputy chairman ("deputy supreme guide") of the Brotherhood.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:06 PM  
I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?
 
2013-07-03 12:35:30 PM  
Tanks are rolling. Doesn't look good for Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews-live/egypt-in-crisis
 
2013-07-03 12:35:33 PM  

I was just scanning through the Wikipedia articles on this and found this (properly sourced) quote by Obama from two days ago:

Now, obviously, we've been watching these big protests.  Our number-one priority has been making sure that our embassies and consulates are protected.  Number two, what we've consistently insisted on is that all parties involved -- whether it's members of Mr. Morsi's party or the opposition -- that they remain peaceful.


I guess he learned his lesson from Benghazi.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:41 PM  

21-7-b: travel ban extends to:

Muhammad Badie (Arabic: محمد بديع Muḥammad Badīʿ, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd bæˈdiːʕ]) (born 1943) is the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.[1] He has headed the Egyptian branch of the international Islamist organization since 2010. Before becoming general guide, Badi'e had been a member of the group's governing council, the Guidance Bureau, since 1996.

Mohammed Khairat Saad El-Shater[1] (Arabic: محمد خيرت سعد الشاطر, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈxæjɾæt ˈsæʕd eʃˈʃɑːtˤeɾ]; born 4 May 1950) is an Egyptian engineer, businessman and Islamist political activist. He was the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate for the Egyptian presidential election in 2012 before disqualification by the election commission. Previously, he was the deputy chairman ("deputy supreme guide") of the Brotherhood.


Remember when people said the Muslim Brotherhood would be "taking over" the country?

Now their leaders are under house arrest. Democracy is beautiful.
 
2013-07-03 12:36:11 PM  
President under house arrest, I know, I know, it's serious.
 
2013-07-03 12:36:23 PM  
FrancoFile: cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!

NY Post FOX Reports 12 Morsis on Plane eating caviar and lobsters and drinking champagne with Michelle Obama!!
 
2013-07-03 12:37:10 PM  

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


This. they new they were electing an Islamist thug to begin with. The only rationale for this would be if they thought the laws were being changed to prevent future legitimate elections.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:37 PM  

Kurohone: I think the best (and most likely) outcome is that in a decade or so we have a Turkey-style democracy, where there are multiparty, free and fair elections, but with the military sitting off to the side making damn sure that all Islamist influences are scrubbed out.


Yeah, I wish Turkey worked that way.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:47 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


A series of decisions and statement by Morsi that show a pattern of consolidating his power toward a theocratic dictatorship. Back in Nov. he declared his decisions not subject to judicial review. That was straw that broke the camel's back. Protests began again and the opposition began to solidify after that rather brazen power grab.

Since then there have been many protests and the two sides have not exactly been coming together. There has been violence between protesters and counter-protesters. Morsi has done a number of additional questionable and controversial things which for brevity I won't list here. The crisis has come to a head recently is because the opposition planned a mega protest in Tahir square for Jun 30 and they have gotten, by some reports, more people there than the protests that brought down Mubarak.

The turnout was likely fueled by the fact that Morsi gave a speech a few days earlier where he was expected to address the opposition's concerns but instead the speech turned out to be a rambling two and a half hour long middle finger to them. He also quoted some really obviously cooked stats about how the economy has been getting better under his rule. That probably turned some fence sitters over to the opposition since it is apparent to everyone in Egypt that their economy has been getting worse.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:59 PM  

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?


Yes he was elected, and the economy is shiat.  That's the real issue.  All the political and religious crap is window dressing for western audiences.
 
2013-07-03 12:39:04 PM  
Viva Hate.
 
2013-07-03 12:40:22 PM  
assets0.ordienetworks.com

Nice one subby
 
2013-07-03 12:40:36 PM  
This is going to be 0bama's BENGHAZI.
 
2013-07-03 12:41:48 PM  

Granny_Panties: [i221.photobucket.com image 353x132]


Now that is some hard-hitting geopolitical analysis and commentary.
 
2013-07-03 12:42:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: DarnoKonrad: No it's not. Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats. That means you make the rules. And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.

Getting 50.01% of the vote doesn't mean you can have all your opponents executed then raped.



And if they're very, very lucky ...
www.comicrelated.com
They'll do it in that order.
 
2013-07-03 12:42:26 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


Sometimes people are stupid, and do stupid things, and later regret it.
 
2013-07-03 12:43:43 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 12:44:19 PM  
What the Egyptian people want is safety. They need to set up some kind of a Committee on Public Safety to ensure that this goal is achieved.
 
2013-07-03 12:44:53 PM  

Speaker2Animals: You hurt your shoulder reaching for that headline, subby?


I used this same line for our trivia team last night.  Or close to it.

HEY MORSI, HOW SOON IS NOW?
 
2013-07-03 12:45:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: 21-7-b: travel ban extends to:

Muhammad Badie (Arabic: محمد بديع Muḥammad Badīʿ, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd bæˈdiːʕ]) (born 1943) is the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.[1] He has headed the Egyptian branch of the international Islamist organization since 2010. Before becoming general guide, Badi'e had been a member of the group's governing council, the Guidance Bureau, since 1996.

Mohammed Khairat Saad El-Shater[1] (Arabic: محمد خيرت سعد الشاطر, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈxæjɾæt ˈsæʕd eʃˈʃɑːtˤeɾ]; born 4 May 1950) is an Egyptian engineer, businessman and Islamist political activist. He was the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate for the Egyptian presidential election in 2012 before disqualification by the election commission. Previously, he was the deputy chairman ("deputy supreme guide") of the Brotherhood.

Remember when people said the Muslim Brotherhood would be "taking over" the country?

Now their leaders are under house arrest. Democracy is beautiful.


And now the same people are weeping that Obama let the democratically elected leadership of Egypt get overthrown. Hopefully many in the region are put off by the party after their short rule and pursue a more secular alternative (though to be fair, their biggest failures are on an economic level and have zilch to do with the religious authoritarian bent they were trying to write into the Constitution.)
 
2013-07-03 12:45:24 PM  

Thrag: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

A series of decisions and statement by Morsi that show a pattern of consolidating his power toward a theocratic dictatorship. Back in Nov. he declared his decisions not subject to judicial review. That was straw that broke the camel's back. Protests began again and the opposition began to solidify after that rather brazen power grab.

Since then there have been many protests and the two sides have not exactly been coming together. There has been violence between protesters and counter-protesters. Morsi has done a number of additional questionable and controversial things which for brevity I won't list here. The crisis has come to a head recently is because the opposition planned a mega protest in Tahir square for Jun 30 and they have gotten, by some reports, more people there than the protests that brought down Mubarak.

The turnout was likely fueled by the fact that Morsi gave a speech a few days earlier where he was expected to address the opposition's concerns but instead the speech turned out to be a rambling two and a half hour long middle finger to them. He also quoted some really obviously cooked stats about how the economy has been getting better under his rule. That probably turned some fence sitters over to the opposition since it is apparent to everyone in Egypt that their economy has been getting worse.


My wife says "thank you" for your answer. She was asking me the same question, but I couldn't give her as brief and concise an answer. Thanks.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:09 PM  

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?


Yes he was elected.

He tried to give himself absolute power by decree after being elected and turn Egypt into a theocracy, by writing a constitution that was essentially Sharia law, instead of concentrating on fixing the economy.

They are a "Key Ally" because they're about the only country in the middle east that isn't openly hostile to Israel.

I don't think they have much/any oil. But they control the Suez Canal.

The protestors are pretty much everyone EXCEPT the Muslim Brotherhood. I wouldn't doubt that lots (most) of them are actually muslim as well, but they aren't happy with how Mori and the Muslim Brotherhood have been running the country for the reasons listed above.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:20 PM  
So he ran as a secular centrist but governed as a religious fundamentalist and they are kicking him out? As an American I would like to take a page from this book.
 
2013-07-03 12:47:20 PM  
never knew the decemberists were this popular in egypt
 
2013-07-03 12:47:40 PM  

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?


1. He was fairly elected.  His party is the Muslim Brotherhood, which many people - including Egyptians - feel are hardline Islamists
2. He declared that the constitution didn't apply to him, and cancelled all elections for the foreseeable future.
3. Egypt is a strategically important, relatively pro-West, mostly Muslim-but-less-hardline-fundamentalist than many states in the area.
4. Dunno but Suez is a pretty important trade route
5. The army, moderate Muslims, Coptic Christians and millions of populace at large vs. a minority of pro-Morsi extremists.

This is all courtesy of a Coptic friend of mine in Cairo and includes his biases.  The Copts have been periodically hassled and oppressed by hardline Islamists, so they're extremely anti-Morsi.  Interesting he loves the US, but feels that Obama is being too supportive of Morsi.
 
2013-07-03 12:47:42 PM  

HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.


Haven't had one of these posts in awhile.
 
2013-07-03 12:48:01 PM  

Nabb1: You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?


I laughed way too hard at this. Bravo.
 
2013-07-03 12:48:09 PM  

DarnoKonrad: ciberido: Really? I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.

Read the link.  "checks and balances" is specific our dysfunctional system.  Most parliamentary democracies  around the world think our system is undemocratic and stupid, and they're largely right.


sure if you're an American "checks and balances" might as well be written by Jesus, but no, most of the world does not practice "checks and balances."


One of us sucks at reading comprehension, because I'm pretty sure the article I linked. was about check-and-balance type systems in SEVERAL countries.  Maybe you're talking about some other link?
 
2013-07-03 12:48:11 PM  

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?



1. Yes
2. Changed the constitution after he was elected, did jack shiat for the economy, cronyism
3. Key ally because they signed a peace treaty with Israel, and they control the Suez Canal.
4. They don't have much, but a lot of oil goes through the Suez Canal.
5. Muslim fundamentalists are in charge. Protestors are everyone else.
 
2013-07-03 12:50:15 PM  
Good riddance.

Now it remains to be seen whether the military allows a do-over on democracy or whether they decide to keep the power for themselves.
 
2013-07-03 12:51:30 PM  

bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.


Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.
 
2013-07-03 12:53:06 PM  

ciberido: DarnoKonrad: ciberido: Really? I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.

Read the link.  "checks and balances" is specific our dysfunctional system.  Most parliamentary democracies  around the world think our system is undemocratic and stupid, and they're largely right.


sure if you're an American "checks and balances" might as well be written by Jesus, but no, most of the world does not practice "checks and balances."

One of us sucks at reading comprehension, because I'm pretty sure the article I linked. was about check-and-balance type systems in SEVERAL countries.  Maybe you're talking about some other link?


Yeah.
An independent judiciary is pretty much par for the course in W. Europe, Australia, New Zealand, India, Canada.  That's more important than executive vs. legislative
So are multicameral legislatures, with different election cycles.
 
2013-07-03 12:54:33 PM  

HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.


Dear sir--I knew StopArrestingMe.  You're not StopArrestingMe...

...but this post is damn close, and it's making me decidedly hungry :9
 
2013-07-03 12:54:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: FrancoFile: cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!

NY Post FOX Reports 12 Morsis on Plane eating caviar and lobsters and drinking champagne with Michelle Obama!!


Unskewed Polls predicts Morsi will win 359 electoral votes.
 
2013-07-03 12:57:00 PM  

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?


1. There were some reports of rigging in the election. Of course they were also stopping Mubarak's hand picked successor being blocked. Then there was all the measures to block more secular candidates from being voted. Throw in a heavy dose of voter fraud and intimidation, there was a few problems. Of course it was their first election too.

2. The military in general are a bit annoyed by the massive crack down on civil freedoms, violent crackdown on protesters, Then there was the laws Morsi created and executively signed into office to give himself more and more powers to go after anyone he dislikes. Add to that the general dislike of Islamist Governments in the region, the collapse of the economy and tourism, etc. has led to a bad time for Morsi.

3. Egypt is a key ally in the region. They have the Suez Canal, they import a large amount of military hardware, particularly tanks, weapons, aircraft etc. They also a been a stabilizing force in the region for the past 30 years.

4. Egypt isn't a massive oil producing country. They only export a relatively small amount of oil onto the market.

5. There are Muslims on both sides. It is a predominately Muslim country, with a large Coptic minority. The Muslim Brotherhood though would probably be the more radical of the groups, with talks about introducing Sharia law and solidifying the power back into the hands of Morsi. The protestors for the most part don't want that, nor the policies that have collapsed the economic engine of the country.
 
2013-07-03 12:58:50 PM  
Al Jazeera reporting that tanks are outside the protests at Cairo University.
 
2013-07-03 12:58:55 PM  

Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.


And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.
 
2013-07-03 01:00:30 PM  

GardenWeasel: Red Shirt Blues: cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.

3.29 in Florida

2.88 in Indy


:($4.22 in San Diego.
 
2013-07-03 01:00:45 PM  

buckler: I sometimes wish our military had the same resolve when Bush the Lesser was in power.


You do realize what party the large majority of military personnel vote for, right?  I'll give you a hint.  Walk into most military gyms or PX food courts with TVs, and they will be tuned to Fox News, or maybe ESPN.  The military is just a tad more conservative than you seem to think it is.
 
2013-07-03 01:01:25 PM  

Spindle: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to

knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.

Haven't had ...


Nice.
 
2013-07-03 01:01:32 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.

And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.


Only at the federal level.  Individual states forbade/disallowed each of those long before a federal law was enacted.
 
2013-07-03 01:01:38 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.

And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.


And 250 years to pretend that that last part could never happen again.
 
2013-07-03 01:01:57 PM  
COUP underway!!!
 
2013-07-03 01:03:04 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.

And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.


/troll mode on
Yeah, but the Arabs like to talk big about how they were so much more civilized than Europe during the middle ages.  Which means they had a big head start that they've squandered.
/troll mode off
 
2013-07-03 01:06:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


So, is he being deposed a) for being too Islamist, b) for not being Islamist enough, or c) just because the army wants to run things?
 
2013-07-03 01:06:39 PM  

Robots are Strong: And 250 years to pretend that that last part could never happen again.


The SC was right. This map is absurd. Arkansas and North Carolina don't have to get state-level preclearance? Extend it to the entire United States.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-03 01:08:14 PM  

Spindle: Haven't had one of these posts in awhile.


+
beef
bangers
frank
dog
knockwurst

/Well, some people eat dog... though maybe it's "give it a s hot, dog gedly ..."
 
2013-07-03 01:08:25 PM  

BgJonson79: YixilTesiphon: Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.

And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.

Only at the federal level.  Individual states forbade/disallowed each of those long before a federal law was enacted.


I think the point is that Jim Crow was still going on in some states until the Voting Rights Act was enacted in the '60s.
 
2013-07-03 01:12:35 PM  

Nabb1: You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?


See, he's already waited too long, and now his hope is gone.
 
2013-07-03 01:12:35 PM  
Good times for a change.  See, the luck the Egyptians had can make a good man turn bad .

So please please please  Let them get what they want! Lord knows, it would be the first time.
 
2013-07-03 01:12:46 PM  
Let my people go!
 
2013-07-03 01:13:42 PM  
Personally, I don't think Morsi should be overthrown because he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, or because his victory over more secular opponents "proves" that he "cheated," somehow.

I think he should be overthrown because he set Egypt on a direct course to economic suicide that will, even with full humanitarian assistance, lead to starvation of a significant portion of the population, violated his own constitution to do so, and surrounded himself with sufficient armed forces loyal to himself rather than to Egypt that a military coup is the least damaging option to impose rule of law.

/even a president must obey the law
//and a constitution that becomes a suicide pact must be repealed
 
2013-07-03 01:14:20 PM  
So we're at Serious Pie one night and this guy at a table in the back gets up and goes to leave.  He brushes my wife's arm in passing, causing her to look up.  She gets this googley-eyed look on her face and says "OMG! I think that was Morrissey!"  Just like I do every time I click on the Entertainment tab I go "Who?" and she's says "MORRISSEY!  From the Smiths! OMG!"  and then she calls over the waiter who confirms that it was him and pretty soon everyone in the damn place including the manager is clustered around our table nattering on about some stupid guy I've never heard of.  We manage our way through the meal and get home.  My wife is determined that I know who he is even though I repeatedly tell her I have no clue.  She proceeds to play every farking song this pretentious asshole ever recorded while prodding me with "oh come on! Even you have to have heard this song!" while randomly selecting things from his catalog.  This went on for hours while she drank wine and sang along to what she was calling music.

So that is why I hate Morsi/Morrissey headlines and am secretly glad that one of them has been arrested.
 
2013-07-03 01:14:25 PM  

Speaker2Animals: You hurt your shoulder reaching for that headline, subby?


Yeah, that was a reach. But you can't argue with success, I suppose.
 
2013-07-03 01:14:29 PM  
I just hope the Scorpions don't write a rock ballad about all this.
 
2013-07-03 01:14:30 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: CNN is sticking with the George Zimmerman trial with a small screen in Cairo as thing are going batty.

/it's not news
//it's CNN


That's actually CNN's new "Future Vision": it's showing what's going to happen when Zimmerman walks free.
 
2013-07-03 01:14:49 PM  
The Laser Pointer Summer has spread to Egypt!
 
2013-07-03 01:14:53 PM  
Hmmm I have always wondered what a military coupe looked like.  I never would have imagined it looked like a Kubelwagen.
 
2013-07-03 01:16:04 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.


Just noticed that one.
 
2013-07-03 01:16:32 PM  
Tanks are rolling

Morsi offers to form coalition government

(aljazeera)
 
2013-07-03 01:16:45 PM  

Joe Peanut: Good times for a change.  See, the luck the Egyptians had can make a good man turn bad .

So please please please  Let them get what they want! Lord knows, it would be the first time.


fark, I hate The Smiths.
 
2013-07-03 01:17:14 PM  
And here come the laser pointers...
 
2013-07-03 01:17:17 PM  
If the protesters move too quick, they'll fall down like dominoes.
 
2013-07-03 01:17:18 PM  

Saiga410: Hmmm I have always wondered what a military coupe looked like.  I never would have imagined it looked like a Kubelwagen.


The tanks are hatchbacks.  Or hatchtops.
 
2013-07-03 01:17:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Heathen: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

uh, it's already there

Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.


$3.36 @ Cumberland Farms in So. Maine!  siphon it, biatch!
 
2013-07-03 01:18:17 PM  
They hate jews over there.
 
2013-07-03 01:18:23 PM  
Look,  whoever keeps making the morsi/morrissey jokes should stop.  That joke isn't funny anymore.
 
2013-07-03 01:18:52 PM  
vernonFL

I just hope the Scorpions don't write a rock ballad about all this.


+1
 
2013-07-03 01:18:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Sucks to be you, I paid $3.70 in New York yesterday.


$3.29 in suburban Maryland. Hah!
 
2013-07-03 01:19:21 PM  

wxboy: I was just scanning through the Wikipedia articles on this and found this (properly sourced) quote by Obama from two days ago:

Now, obviously, we've been watching these big protests.  Our number-one priority has been making sure that our embassies and consulates are protected.  Number two, what we've consistently insisted on is that all parties involved -- whether it's members of Mr. Morsi's party or the opposition -- that they remain peaceful.

I guess he learned his lesson from Benghazi.


Benghazi in platforms?
 
2013-07-03 01:19:36 PM  
Morsi's spokesman denied the report....

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 01:20:52 PM  
2.98 in knoxville
(w/kroger card)
 
2013-07-03 01:22:00 PM  
3.22 in NoCo St. Louis
 
2013-07-03 01:22:12 PM  

Therion: Tanks are rolling

Morsi offers to form coalition government

(aljazeera)


Oh yeah, NOW he wants to form a coalition when the military basically dog-collared him.  24 hours ago he was saying "Up yours" to his opponents AND the military.
 
2013-07-03 01:22:48 PM  
The fact that I can turn on CNN and they are fully covering this restores a tiny sliver of hope that our news media may one day stop sucking so hard.
 
2013-07-03 01:23:20 PM  
+ huge blob, stirring up trouble, how could I have missed that? I guess nobody's perfect no matter how hard they try; tip me off if I've missed any more.
 
2013-07-03 01:24:22 PM  
Therion:  Morsi offers to form coalition government

i.imgur.com

"That time is past."
 
2013-07-03 01:25:02 PM  

Spindle: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.

Haven't had ...


StopArrestingMe-like typing detected.
 
2013-07-03 01:26:17 PM  

HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.



Are you a wizard?
 
2013-07-03 01:27:47 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

GOOD.
 
2013-07-03 01:29:21 PM  
Just be careful around his daughter.

i1.cdnds.net
 
2013-07-03 01:31:37 PM  

Fast Thick Pants: + huge blob, stirring up trouble, how could I have missed that? I guess nobody's perfect no matter how hard they try; tip me off if I've missed any more.


The rib and the ham were the hardest ones to hide.  Also, someone from the UK might've spotted the bangers (another word for sausages).
 
2013-07-03 01:33:13 PM  
"On 22 November 2012[4] Egyptian protests started, with hundreds of thousands of protesters demonstrating against Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi, after he granted himself unlimited powers to "protect" the nation,[5][6] and the power to legislate without judicial oversight or review of his acts.[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Arab_Spring 

But Muhammad made me, so
Muhammad save me
from pity, sympathy
And people discussing me
A frame of useless limbs
What can make good of the bad that's been done?

http://youtu.be/JJyCdyqTGRE
 
2013-07-03 01:33:36 PM  

HighOnCraic: Fast Thick Pants: + huge blob, stirring up trouble, how could I have missed that? I guess nobody's perfect no matter how hard they try; tip me off if I've missed any more.

The rib and the ham were the hardest ones to hide.  Also, someone from the UK might've spotted the bangers (another word for sausages).


Caught the bangers ref (though not British) and also caught the hidden Meatloaf reference :D

You done good, trust me :3

/actually missed the StopArrestingMe find-the-theme post games like this
 
2013-07-03 01:34:16 PM  
 
2013-07-03 01:34:43 PM  
Based on the sheer number of high-grade consumer laser pointers in that crowd, I'm going to go ahead and say that their economy seems just fine.
 
2013-07-03 01:37:16 PM  
And there's always *one idiot* (at least) that has to fire his lazor at the cameras.

RevCarter: You want irony? Check this out: http://en.aswatmasriya.com/news/view.aspx?id=ad284fd8-9a5e-4588-b5b9- d 756260f05c5


I saw that via the BBC.  Pretty funny.
 
2013-07-03 01:37:52 PM  
Fail. Really bad headline.
 
2013-07-03 01:40:04 PM  

Funk Brothers: diaspora


I learned a new word today.  Thanks!
 
2013-07-03 01:41:01 PM  

devildog123: buckler: I sometimes wish our military had the same resolve when Bush the Lesser was in power.

You do realize what party the large majority of military personnel vote for, right?  I'll give you a hint.  Walk into most military gyms or PX food courts with TVs, and they will be tuned to Fox News, or maybe ESPN.  The military is just a tad more conservative than you seem to think it is.


Yeah, I know. I was, when I joined, liberal-leaning, as I am now. It's one reason I never engaged in political talk with anyone except those I knew personally and trusted.
 
2013-07-03 01:41:36 PM  
Robert Smith overjoyed?
 
2013-07-03 01:43:43 PM  

HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.


Found one.
 
2013-07-03 01:44:32 PM  
"Meanwhile, President Barack Obama is urging Morsi to address the people's grievances"

Like being spied on all the time by their own government? Oh wait that's not the Egyptians...
 
2013-07-03 01:47:24 PM  

RevCarter: You want irony? Check this out: http://en.aswatmasriya.com/news/view.aspx?id=ad284fd8-9a5e-4588-b5b9- d 756260f05c5


I think I just had a stroke.
 
2013-07-03 01:47:26 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Corvus: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

Well it took the US 10 years from the declaration of independence to the US Constitution, so so far they are under how fast we did it still.

And it took us 90 years to eliminate slavery, 150 years to allow women to vote, and almost 200 years to mostly eliminate overt, uncamoflauged attempts to deny non-whites the vote.


Right I am just annoyed at these people going "OMG the middle east countries can't be perfect democracy in a year, they never can do it!!!"
 
2013-07-03 01:47:40 PM  

voran: Robert Smith overjoyed?


sportsthenandnow.com

Unavailable for comment.
 
2013-07-03 01:47:50 PM  
This is what happens when your hand in glove is an iron fist.
 
2013-07-03 01:48:31 PM  

durbnpoisn: Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.

Though it might give us a chance to get in a more radical Islamic president who'll finish off the non-muslim Egyptian population for good.

Not sure if serious.

How is this illegal?  Aren't all coups illegal, if that's the case?  Isn't what we did to the British during the Revolution illegal?

I think my point is, there is no reason to make a distinction here.  Legality doesn't apply.


"A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it becomes illegal. " -  Ben Franklin in 1776
 
2013-07-03 01:49:22 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Satanic_Hamster: AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.

You'd biatch about it either way, that's for certain.
"Wah wah wah, Muslims have took over Egypt."
"Wah wah wah, military has removed the Muslim dictator that was fairly elected, wah wah wah."

Yes. Both of those are pretty shiatty outcomes, I think.

Morsi's job was to help formulate a new constitution. The anti-Islamists wanted nothing to do with the process, and now are pissed that they were left out. For the most part, Morsi has been a pitiable bystander in watching his country get torn apart.

Think of Morsi as Obama and the protestors as the House Republicans. The ideals may be different, but the tactics are very similar.


The ideals aren't even different.

SEKRIT MOOSLUM!
 
2013-07-03 01:50:08 PM  

tuna fingers: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.

Found one.


Found another.
 
2013-07-03 01:50:34 PM  
Okay... the coup is coming out.
 
2013-07-03 01:52:03 PM  

Saiga410: tuna fingers: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam. ...

Found one.


Found another.

And another.
 
2013-07-03 01:53:33 PM  
 
2013-07-03 01:55:11 PM  

FullMetalPanda: Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?



thoughtmerchant.files.wordpress.com


NO MORE SEE
 
2013-07-03 01:56:47 PM  

tuna fingers: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.


Do mis-spellings count?
 
2013-07-03 01:57:16 PM  

olderbudnoweiser: FullMetalPanda: Is it me or does he look like that blind governor guy from New York?


[thoughtmerchant.files.wordpress.com image 303x400]


NO MORE SEE


AHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAhhhhh!
Brilliant.
 
2013-07-03 01:57:24 PM  
Who are we supposed to be rooting for here again? I need a scorecard to tell the sides apart. One weird thing about all those people demonstrating; no women. Any women venturing out would be attacked and raped by either side; what a great culture, huh? Really hard to sympathize with either point of view.
 
2013-07-03 02:01:23 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Who are we supposed to be rooting for here again? I need a scorecard to tell the sides apart. One weird thing about all those people demonstrating; no women. Any women venturing out would be attacked and raped by either side; what a great culture, huh? Really hard to sympathize with either point of view.


One group wants a secular democracy, and the other group wants a fundamentalist Islamist dictatorship. I don't see how it's hard to pick a side, unless you are really suggesting everyone anti-Morsi is a rapist.
 
2013-07-03 02:02:49 PM  
Way to go Huessein..


Where are all the libtards biatching about how everyone hates us because of our president as they did when Bush was President??

I applaud the Egyptian citizins and their resolve against Islamists, now if only Americans showed the same resolve to get our Islamist out of the Whitehouse.

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3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-03 02:11:11 PM  

RealAmericanHero: One group wants a secular democracy, and the other group wants a fundamentalist Islamist dictatorship. I don't see how it's hard to pick a side, unless you are really suggesting everyone anti-Morsi is a rapist.


i.imgur.com
==

Fox news, 6 minutes ago.

There are more than two sides to this story. Far far more.
 
2013-07-03 02:11:50 PM  

BigNumber12: Based on the sheer number of high-grade consumer laser pointers in that crowd, I'm going to go ahead and say that their economy seems just fine.


heh you noticed this too, aren't green lasers fairly powerful, dangerous, and expensive?
 
2013-07-03 02:13:59 PM  

Jake Steed: Way to go Huessein..


Jake? Is that you? Wow, man. Long time, no see. I'm almost nostalgic for you given the quality of the trolling on this site recently. Hope all is well. I like the angle you've taken--with the protest signs and all. That should liven things up around here.
 
2013-07-03 02:14:24 PM  

russlar: Hung Like A Tic-Tac: russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...

They are now.

link?


Link

Al Jazeera live English.

Other than some badass laser pointers and fireworks, it's pretty boring.
 
2013-07-03 02:14:50 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: durbnpoisn: Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.

Though it might give us a chance to get in a more radical Islamic president who'll finish off the non-muslim Egyptian population for good.

Not sure if serious.

How is this illegal?  Aren't all coups illegal, if that's the case?  Isn't what we did to the British during the Revolution illegal?

I think my point is, there is no reason to make a distinction here.  Legality doesn't apply.

"A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it becomes illegal. " -  Ben Franklin in 1776


Yoshi Toranaga: "There are no 'mitigating circumstances' when it comes to rebellion against a liege lord."
John Blackthorne: "Unless you win."

- From the novel "Shogun" by James Clavell
 
2013-07-03 02:15:18 PM  
Knock knock?
 
2013-07-03 02:16:18 PM  
I just hope they don't burn down the disco.
 
2013-07-03 02:17:23 PM  

Somacandra: There are more than two sides to this story. Far far more.


No doubt, but given that the current party in office is pretty Islamist leaning, I'd like to have the hope that the majority protesting don't think the only way forward is to go full retard in that direction instead of towards becoming more secular.

I suppose it could happen, in which case I'd just say all of the decent people should leave Egypt and let it become the next Afghanistan, if that's what they want.
 
2013-07-03 02:18:01 PM  
Silly Egyptians. Only America's military gets to forcefully remove governments with absolutely no clue about what will happen next.
 
2013-07-03 02:18:14 PM  
He was happy in the haze of an Arab Spring, but Heaven knows he's miserable now. He was looking for a job and then he found a job. And Heaven knows he's miserable now.
 
2013-07-03 02:21:30 PM  

Somacandra: Long time, no see.


I'm laughing so hard because I was thinking the same thing.
 
2013-07-03 02:24:25 PM  

supershaft: tuna fingers: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam. ...


Meatloaf...
 
2013-07-03 02:24:40 PM  
Obama REALLY SHOWED HIM!
 
2013-07-03 02:25:44 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.


This is NOT a military coup. This is a revolution. Take a good, long look at it because you'll never see it in the states.

/off to watch Kardashians
 
2013-07-03 02:33:27 PM  

WTF Indeed: what_now: But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

There is a difference between "I don't like your public policy, so here's a coup" and "You're systematically eliminating anyone in government that could say no to you and rewriting the Constitution to suit your needs, while organizing attacks on Coptics and other Muslim sects."


Sounds like their Constitution sucks if it allows a sitting President to change things so easily.
 
2013-07-03 02:33:48 PM  

Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?


I wish gas were only $4/gallon.
 
2013-07-03 02:34:40 PM  

Poorlytoldjoke: Look,  whoever keeps making the morsi/morrissey jokes should stop.  That joke isn't funny anymore.


You only say that because it's too close to home and it's too near the bone.
 
2013-07-03 02:37:21 PM  

RevCarter: You want irony? Check this out: http://en.aswatmasriya.com/news/view.aspx?id=ad284fd8-9a5e-4588-b5b9- d 756260f05c5


My, that's a very dark kettle brewing over there.
 
2013-07-03 02:37:34 PM  
I see nothing is happening with the crowd. Still.

Sometimes the internet isn't the wonderful tool everyone gets excited about, it's been the same live shot of people cheering for hours now.
 
2013-07-03 02:38:26 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Sounds like their Constitution sucks if it allows a sitting President to change things so easily.


I think that's kind of the point here, he just rewrote the shiat because he wanted to, not because he could. But I could be wrong.
 
2013-07-03 02:40:49 PM  

Jake Steed: I applaud the Egyptian citizins and their resolve against Islamists, now if only Americans showed the same resolve to get our Islamist out of the Whitehouse.

assets.nydailynews.com

You didn't listen.
 
2013-07-03 02:41:19 PM  

HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfor

tunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in TurkeyBut the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.

--Nice way to sneak meatloaf in there...
 
2013-07-03 02:41:49 PM  
Well, what is happening with Paula Deen and Dwight Howard?
 
2013-07-03 02:42:35 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 02:46:44 PM  
How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.
 
2013-07-03 02:47:08 PM  

Jake Steed: I applaud the Egyptian citizins and their resolve against Islamists, now if only Americans showed the same resolve to get our Islamist out of the Whitehouse.


It's truly simple: Make sure the people have just enough money (and mindless entertainment) to survive. The threat of traveling across the country to protest is not economically feasible and they could miss an episode of Celebrity Underwater Synchronized Cooking Survivalist!!

Basic New World Order agenda stuff, nothing to see here, move along, citizen.
 
2013-07-03 02:48:25 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Who are we supposed to be rooting for here again? I need a scorecard to tell the sides apart. One weird thing about all those people demonstrating; no women. Any women venturing out would be attacked and raped by either side; what a great culture, huh? Really hard to sympathize with either point of view.


Horseshiat. There are lots of women in the anti-Morsi contingent. They are in pictures and interviews I've seen and heard in Western media.
 
2013-07-03 02:49:50 PM  
So, a democratically-elected leader violates the country's constitution, then says it doesn't apply to him, the population challenges his actions and legitimacy en masse, and then the military says time for a do-over.

The U.S. should work so well.
 
2013-07-03 02:50:10 PM  

RealAmericanHero: No doubt, but given that the current party in office is pretty Islamist leaning


The Muslim Brotherhood is actually a loose confederation of different sub-groups, some of which are more Islamist than others. The historical fact is that secularism has a really bad reputaion in Egypt precisely because its associated with the Mubarak dictatorship. It is not associated with political or personal freedom. Its a fundamentally different experience with secularism than in the United States. You can't expect them to interpret secularism as "freedom" in some American sense.
 
2013-07-03 02:50:30 PM  

rdu_voyager: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.

--Nice way t ...


Still two more.
 
2013-07-03 02:52:13 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Jake Steed: I applaud the Egyptian citizins and their resolve against Islamists, now if only Americans showed the same resolve to get our Islamist out of the Whitehouse.

It's truly simple: Make sure the people have just enough money (and mindless entertainment) to survive. The threat of traveling across the country to protest is not economically feasible and they could miss an episode of Celebrity Underwater Synchronized Cooking Survivalist!!

Basic New World Order Roman Empire agenda stuff, nothing to see here, move along, citizen.


Social Security, food stamps, subsidized mortgages, etc. = bread
Reality TV = circuses

/how do you say ta-da in Latin?
 
2013-07-03 02:53:51 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.


Agreed. The only Egyptian Obama supports is Bob Bradley.
 
2013-07-03 02:55:41 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.


And were previously ruled by a much more ruthless secular authoritarian. Don't look for secularism to take root--its long associated with tyrants like Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad and Mubarak.
 
2013-07-03 02:56:05 PM  

traylor: russlar: Hung Like A Tic-Tac: russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...

They are now.

link?

Link

Al Jazeera live English.

Other than some badass laser pointers and fireworks, it's pretty boring.


Put on some Tiesto or something to help liven it up.
 
2013-07-03 02:56:40 PM  

HighOnCraic: rdu_voyager: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.
...


Didn't see that one noted, so noting...buggered on the last one though :D
 
2013-07-03 02:57:28 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.


Everything in the world happens because America. No other nations would even exist without America. America is everything. We are the center of the universe. When a dog farts in America a baby in China is born.
 
2013-07-03 03:01:08 PM  

HighOnCraic: rdu_voyager: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.
...


Here we go.
 
2013-07-03 03:02:34 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: HighOnCraic: rdu_voyager: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbo ...

 
2013-07-03 03:03:14 PM  

BigNumber12: HighOnCraic: rdu_voyager: HighOnCraic: Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbo ...


Does this count without 'au'?
 
2013-07-03 03:06:52 PM  
 
2013-07-03 03:07:35 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.


He "supports" him by congratulating him on winning a democratic election.  This makes Obama a true and verified monster.
 
2013-07-03 03:09:29 PM  
i.imgur.com

From Al Jazeera English, just now. Statement being read now by military leadership on a transitional plan.
 
2013-07-03 03:10:52 PM  
Everyone in Egypt gets a green laser
 
2013-07-03 03:12:08 PM  
Why are they calling this a coup? It seems to me that the military is enforcing the will of the people. If they don't hold free elections afterwards it could then be considered a coup. Right now it looks like the military is more interested in public safety than taking power.
 
2013-07-03 03:12:30 PM  
The Smiths reunion up in the air

FTFY subby.

/i bet you say "Pink Floyd" instead of "The Pink Floyd" too, doncha
 
2013-07-03 03:13:30 PM  
He's out, Jim.
 
2013-07-03 03:16:27 PM  
Friend of mine just commented "Sure has been a lot of history happening lately."

Still not sure how to respond to that.
 
2013-07-03 03:17:21 PM  

chumboobler: Why are they calling this a coup? It seems to me that the military is enforcing the will of the some people.


FTFE
 
2013-07-03 03:18:06 PM  
CNN International talking to a Muslim Brotherhood member, he's not too pleased.  Just compared this to a theoretical overthrow of GW Bush when he was unpopular in terms of legitimacy.
 
2013-07-03 03:18:59 PM  

chumboobler: Why are they calling this a coup? It seems to me that the military is enforcing the will of the people. If they don't hold free elections afterwards it could then be considered a coup. Right now it looks like the military is more interested in public safety than taking power.


If in the United States, if the Joint Chiefs of Staff announced that the Constitution is being suspended and installed Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court as the interim President, we in the U.S. would call that a coup d'etat.
 
2013-07-03 03:22:53 PM  

what_now: You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


That's exactly what got the US in the mess it's in now, with the Executive Branch making up the rules as it goes along. Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too. You campaigned on a platform. You don't get to take it easy now that you won the National Popularity Contest. Now, your work begins in earnest."

If only we had a similar system...
 
2013-07-03 03:23:11 PM  
i.imgur.com

OK Coptic Pope is coming out...
 
2013-07-03 03:24:12 PM  

bloobeary: Friend of mine just commented "Sure has been a lot of history happening lately."

Still not sure how to respond to that.


Tell him that the forecast for tomorrow includes lots of weather.
 
2013-07-03 03:24:16 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.


Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.
 
2013-07-03 03:24:38 PM  
Idiot, every religious figure is political in nature.
 
2013-07-03 03:25:51 PM  

HAMMERTOE: what_now: You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

That's exactly what got the US in the mess it's in now, with the Executive Branch making up the rules as it goes along.


When did that happen in the US?
 
2013-07-03 03:25:54 PM  

Somacandra: HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.

Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.


The Constitution was invalid the moment Morsi amended it to give himself unlimited power.
 
2013-07-03 03:26:16 PM  
Morsi, Morsi, Morsi.


/ you know, sometimes we're not prepared for adversity...
 
2013-07-03 03:27:39 PM  
Can't we just revert power back to the pharaohs? I'm sure Ramses has to have a descendant or two.
 
2013-07-03 03:28:42 PM  

netweavr: Somacandra: HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.

Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.

The Constitution was invalid the moment Morsi amended it to give himself unlimited power.


Kinda like how Congress voted to remove the whole "insider trading thing?"
 
2013-07-03 03:29:20 PM  

bloobeary: Friend of mine just commented "Sure has been a lot of history happening lately."

Still not sure how to respond to that.


Or play him We didn't start the fire
 
2013-07-03 03:29:35 PM  

Somacandra: HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.

Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.


I think that's because Morsi changed it to protect his power.

Interim president is talking about rewriting it now.
 
2013-07-03 03:29:56 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.


Check Republican talking points.  Everything Obama does, regardless of outcome, is wrong.

Not ousting Qaddafi: Islamic terrorist left in power.
Ousting Qaddafi: destabilizes North Africa
Intervene in Syria: Unauthorized reckless foreign policy
Not intervene in Syria: Islamic terrorist left in power and weakness shown towards Russia

If Obama announced he discovered a cure for cancer, the R's would complain about 'government intrusion in the private sector' and 'job losses in the medical profession'.  Tomorrow they would be asking how long did he know how to cure cancer, why didn't he announce it sooner and how many Americans died because of his treacherous secrecy?
 
2013-07-03 03:30:24 PM  

BarleyGnome: netweavr: Somacandra: HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.

Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.

The Constitution was invalid the moment Morsi amended it to give himself unlimited power.

Kinda like how Congress voted to remove the whole "insider trading thing?"


More along the lines of: "Congress amended the constitution to remove the requirement that the President has to sign legislation."
 
2013-07-03 03:31:12 PM  

JerseyTim: Can't we just revert power back to the pharaohs? I'm sure Ramses has to have a descendant or two.


Say what you will about the pharoahs, at least they made the slave drawn giant stone blocks run on time.
 
2013-07-03 03:31:26 PM  

wxboy: CNN International talking to a Muslim Brotherhood member, he's not too pleased.  Just compared this to a theoretical overthrow of GW Bush when he was unpopular in terms of legitimacy.


imokaywiththis.jpg
 
2013-07-03 03:31:31 PM  
The problem with the legitimacy issue and comparing it to a stable democracy is that Morsi was actively trying to undermine the process that put him in office.  He rewrote the constitution and was well on the way to making himself President-for-life.   That's not how democracy works, the majority doesn't get to run roughshod over the minority.
 
2013-07-03 03:32:57 PM  
Somacandra: Jake Steed: Way to go Huessein..

Jake? Is that you? Wow, man. Long time, no see. I'm almost nostalgic for you given the quality of the trolling on this site recently. Hope all is well. I like the angle you've taken--with the protest signs and all. That should liven things up around here.


=======================

Hey man!! It has been a while!!

Last time I was in a thread like this was about 18 months ago. You were telling me what a dumb ass I was for suggesting the Muslim Brotherhood would assume power in Egypt. When I mentioned that Obama was supporting the wrong team you were adamant that he was right.

I guess you were dead wrong for a bit on the Muslim Brotherhood part but time has proven you right! Good call bro! Still wrong Barry though!
 
2013-07-03 03:33:46 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
Somebuddy say my name?
 
2013-07-03 03:35:23 PM  

netweavr: BarleyGnome: netweavr: Somacandra: HAMMERTOE: Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too.

Its kinda hard to take that seriously when the military has openly SUSPENDED the Constitution.

The Constitution was invalid the moment Morsi amended it to give himself unlimited power.

Kinda like how Congress voted to remove the whole "insider trading thing?"

More along the lines of: "Congress amended the constitution to remove the requirement that the President has to sign legislation."


I know, but it's still more about what they can do for themselves, rather than what they can do for the people. And by people, I mean the low and middle class.
 
2013-07-03 03:35:38 PM  

phaseolus: Morsi, Morsi, Morsi.


/ you know, sometimes we're not prepared for adversity...


www.sitcomsonline.com 

All, all day long at school I hear how great Morsi is at this or how wonderful Morsi did that!  Morsi, Morsi, Morsi!
 
2013-07-03 03:37:53 PM  

netweavr: The Constitution was invalid the moment Morsi amended it to give himself unlimited power.


This. ^

Kumana Wanalaia: When did that happen in the US?


Unilateral Drone attacks and other acts of war, for one.
Unconstitutional NSA wholesale "fishing trips" for another.
Not enforcing Federal Laws that go against thier political interests, for another.

And those are only the ones I can come up with off the top of my head...
 
2013-07-03 03:38:21 PM  
From the Telegraph: The now ex-President Morsi has apparently been moved to an undisclosed location.

www.english-online.at
/Watch your six broski
 
2013-07-03 03:38:39 PM  

Somacandra: chumboobler: Why are they calling this a coup? It seems to me that the military is enforcing the will of the people. If they don't hold free elections afterwards it could then be considered a coup. Right now it looks like the military is more interested in public safety than taking power.

If in the United States, if the Joint Chiefs of Staff announced that the Constitution is being suspended and installed Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court as the interim President, we in the U.S. would call that a coup d'etat.


It all depends. If the president had just declared that he had amended the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his actions and granted himself vast new authority rendering the both other branches of government effectively powerless, then we might not be so hasty to call military intervention a coup d'etat. At least in the short term, I don't think most people would consider it a coup unless the military didn't have a plan for restoring the constitution and holding new elections.
 
2013-07-03 03:38:40 PM  
Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy
 
2013-07-03 03:38:56 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The problem with the legitimacy issue and comparing it to a stable democracy is that Morsi was actively trying to undermine the process that put him in office.  He rewrote the constitution and was well on the way to making himself President-for-life.   That's not how democracy works, the majority doesn't get to run roughshod over the minority.


It might be important to point out here that at the same time the Mubarak-era Justice system was trying to dissolve the entire Legislature that was in the process of writing the Constitution. Morsi was trying to support the MB-led Parliament. I'm not a fan of Morsi but what you said was a very glib interpretation of events.
 
2013-07-03 03:39:43 PM  
I hope they don't lose health care.
 
2013-07-03 03:40:04 PM  
Oh no, Morsi can't just fark the people of Egypt consequence-free because he happened to win an election. It's so awful. Elections are consent to anything the elected person chooses to do and no one should ever object because reasons.

Do people really believe this shiat?
 
2013-07-03 03:40:38 PM  
The fireworks remind me of the Ewoks celebrating the Battle of Endor.
 
2013-07-03 03:40:55 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 699x402]

From Al Jazeera English, just now. Statement being read now by military leadership on a transitional plan.


Seriously? I give up on watching people stand around and cheer, and something actually happens? Dammit! I vowed not to miss this "historical moment"...
 
2013-07-03 03:41:00 PM  
I need to know what is bad here and why it's Obama's fault.
 
2013-07-03 03:41:10 PM  

runin800m: If the president had just declared that he had amended the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his actions and granted himself vast new authority rendering the both other branches of government effectively powerless, then we might not be so hasty to call military intervention a coup d'etat.


If the SCOTUS was entirely appointed by the Republican Party and was trying to dissolve Congress, you might definitely expect the Executive to engage it in a Constitutional showdown. Morsi didn't do this just out of the blue--all this took place in the context of a crisis between the old Judiciary and the brand new Parliament and Presdency.
 
2013-07-03 03:41:50 PM  
A Dark Evil Omen: ...Elections are consent to anything the elected person chooses to do and no one should ever object because reasons.

Do people really believe this shiat?


Ask the state of Wisconsin.
 
2013-07-03 03:42:07 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Kumana Wanalaia: How does Obama support Morsi?

All we did was help them have the chance to have elections.  They're the ones who voted for a religious authoritarian.

Check Republican talking points.  Everything Obama does, regardless of outcome, is wrong.

Not ousting Qaddafi: Islamic terrorist left in power.
Ousting Qaddafi: destabilizes North Africa
Intervene in Syria: Unauthorized reckless foreign policy
Not intervene in Syria: Islamic terrorist left in power and weakness shown towards Russia

If Obama announced he discovered a cure for cancer, the R's would complain about 'government intrusion in the private sector' and 'job losses in the medical profession'.  Tomorrow they would be asking how long did he know how to cure cancer, why didn't he announce it sooner and how many Americans died because of his treacherous secrecy?


And how do we know Obama didn't invent cancer in the first place, just to force us to buy his ObamaCure?

I'm just asking questions. . .
 
2013-07-03 03:42:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I need to know what is bad here and why it's Obama's fault.


It's bad because if someone wins a slim majority in an election that is consent for them to literally have sex with your unlubricated anus for the next four years, and if you do anything about it except vote against them next time it's a violation of stuff.

It's Obama's fault because he's black and also president.
 
2013-07-03 03:42:59 PM  
Morsi tried to force his religion on the people. Just like Gov. Perry in Texas.
 
2013-07-03 03:43:16 PM  

HAMMERTOE: what_now: You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

That's exactly what got the US in the mess it's in now, with the Executive Branch making up the rules as it goes along. Like it or not, anybody who gets elected in Egypt from now on will get the message: "Yes the Constitution applies to you too. You campaigned on a platform. You don't get to take it easy now that you won the National Popularity Contest. Now, your work begins in earnest."

If only we had a similar system...


I love people who think that anything Obama does is one millionth as bad as what political leaders in the Middle East do. You're going to find a lot of Arabs that have trouble sympathizing with the fact that you have more money being offset from your paycheck that is given back to you at the end of the year if you don't owe enough in taxes, for example.
 
2013-07-03 03:43:24 PM  

that bosnian sniper: A Dark Evil Omen: ...Elections are consent to anything the elected person chooses to do and no one should ever object because reasons.

Do people really believe this shiat?

Ask the state of Wisconsin.


Well, yes, that was partly a rhetorical question. I'm glad the people of Egypt have a bit more dignity.
 
2013-07-03 03:43:25 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I need to know what is bad here and why it's Obama's fault.


Obama's FaultTM is like Global Warming. It doesn't cause individual actions---but should be considered a default factor in all activities. In that sense, EVERYTHING is Obama's FaultTM
 
2013-07-03 03:43:35 PM  
I hope Bob Bradley doesn't get fired.
 
2013-07-03 03:45:14 PM  

Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy


At least CNN isn't calling him Ralph or something.
 
2013-07-03 03:45:42 PM  
Morsi rides a cock camel?
 
2013-07-03 03:46:15 PM  

Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy

Daily Mail: Moz
 
2013-07-03 03:46:49 PM  
Aren't they running outa shiat to protest and riot over? Pass that d00b over here, we need some rioting and protesting up in this biatch too.
 
2013-07-03 03:46:59 PM  
For those who have missed it...

i6.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 03:47:02 PM  

Dr.Zom: Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy
Daily Mail: Moz

Fox News: Obama
 
2013-07-03 03:47:08 PM  

and Natasha: Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy

At least CNN isn't calling him Ralph or something.


CNN Top Story: Morrisey Performs In Egypt Amidst Concerns About Germaneness
 
2013-07-03 03:48:57 PM  
The overthrowing of a "tyrannical ruler" in July and celebrating with fireworks is ripping us off.

Get your own thing,
 
2013-07-03 03:49:10 PM  

Teiritzamna: AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.

This is not a coup.  A coup suggests a framework in which a strong military decides to take over a previously independent government.

This is more a situation where before the Arab Spring, the actual power of Egypt was the military, after it, the actual power of Egypt was the military, and with the removal of Morsi, the actual power of Egypt will be the military.

It is somewhat similar to discussions of Iran electing a reformer president, which sounds heartening until you realize that the actual power both before, during and after Ahmadinejad was always the Supreme Cleric.


So, what you're saying is, until Egyptians go after the military, it will continue being like this?
 
2013-07-03 03:49:26 PM  
No matter what happens, it's Obama's fault!
That's for sure!
 
2013-07-03 03:49:47 PM  

Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy


I was going to say something... CNN has been spelling it that way for the past few days, I submitted it as an error and received this reply:

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting CNN. We appreciate your input regarding our coverage. According to the Foreign Ministry, Mohamed Morsy is the preferred spelling of Egypt's first democratically elected president. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,CNN.com

So apparently CNN is saying that every other media outlet in the world is spelling it wrong.
 
2013-07-03 03:49:58 PM  

wxboy: CNN International talking to a Muslim Brotherhood member, he's not too pleased.  Just compared this to a theoretical overthrow of GW Bush when he was unpopular in terms of legitimacy.


Difference was...wait, there is really that much of a difference.  More of a case of semantics, but he's pretty much nailed it.
 
2013-07-03 03:50:18 PM  
Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.
 
2013-07-03 03:51:41 PM  
And now the Ultra-Islamist party farther to the right than the MB is throwing its efforts behind the military too.  I think this is a categorical exclusion of the Muslim Brotherhood from the secular sides, the mainstream Islam and Christian forces and now the Ultra-Islamists too with the military.
 
2013-07-03 03:52:08 PM  

IlGreven: So, what you're saying is, until Egyptians go after the military, it will continue being like this?


Well, it's like I just explained to my mother...the ideology of the military, contrasted with the civilian government and a majority of the citizenry, is similar to that in Pakistan. A military coup is still a coup, being that it's an ousting of a civilian government by the military, and this  is a military coup no matter how you cut it...but considering who they are and who they ousted? I can't say I'm shedding too many tears at the moment.
 
2013-07-03 03:52:16 PM  

Jake Steed: Way to go Huessein..


Where are all the libtards biatching about how everyone hates us because of our president as they did when Bush was President??

I applaud the Egyptian citizins and their resolve against Islamists, now if only Americans showed the same resolve to get our Islamist out of the Whitehouse.

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So Obama is to blame for another country's dissatisfaction with its democratically elected leader? And he's also responsible for the continued support of the military dictator that the military used to support? Kinda of like he was an out of control monster for unilaterally going into Libya, but then scandalously leaving our diplomats to die, and simultaneously not sending in nuclear bombs to deal with Iran, Syria and North Korea?

Obama truly is the omni-boogeyman.

/I know, they are trollin', trollin', trollin'...
 
2013-07-03 03:52:42 PM  
Can't believe no one posted this yet...
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 03:52:42 PM  

USCLaw2010: From the Telegraph: The now ex-President Morsi has apparently been moved to an undisclosed location.

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/Watch your six broski


Tim Curry - Time Lord.

// Communism WAS just a red herring!
 
2013-07-03 03:53:27 PM  

netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.


And I'm guessing the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually be made persona non grata in Egypt.
 
2013-07-03 03:54:21 PM  

Rwa2play: netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.

And I'm guessing the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually be made persona non grata in Egypt.


The MB are complaining that the military has already shut down their media stations... so yeah.
 
2013-07-03 03:54:28 PM  

traylor: For those who have missed it...

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Sweet, torrential rain & big surf!
 
2013-07-03 03:54:34 PM  
I'm both saddened and proud of the fact that I learned more about the background of this thing from this thread than from any major media outlet in the past 6 months.

Kudos, Farkers!
 
2013-07-03 03:54:55 PM  

netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.


To be fair, the military has all the guns.
Going against their benevolence is a risky proposition and all you'd win is the thanks of the brotherhood.

/This could still end up as a military dictatorship but, at this point, the military has been the more reasonable group of the lot.
 
2013-07-03 03:55:20 PM  

netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way


...with our citizenry the way it is? The president could admit to wanting to drop a nuke on NYC, and most Americans would go "Eh, he's the President. What can you do?"
 
2013-07-03 03:55:20 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: and Natasha: Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy

At least CNN isn't calling him Ralph or something.

CNN Top Story: Morrisey Performs In Egypt Amidst Concerns About Germaneness


Editorial: "In the age of Ke¢ha, is mopey music uncool?"

/the cent-sign was originally a typo
//but I liked it
///so I left it.
 
2013-07-03 03:55:46 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Kumana Wanalaia: When did that happen in the US?

Unilateral Drone attacks and other acts of war, for one.
Unconstitutional NSA wholesale "fishing trips" for another.
Not enforcing Federal Laws that go against thier political interests, for another.

And those are only the ones I can come up with off the top of my head...


Do you have links for those assertions? They sound like talking points.
 
2013-07-03 03:56:45 PM  

netweavr: Rwa2play: netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.

And I'm guessing the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually be made persona non grata in Egypt.

The MB are complaining that the military has already shut down their media stations... so yeah.


Not surprising; I'm guessing the other ME nations will look at the MB with a more jaundiced eye from now on.  Especially if a local chapter of MB tries to make nice with the local military.
 
2013-07-03 03:57:16 PM  
There was a good Planet Money podcast on Egypt's military. They're not just the military, they also control a lot of the economy. They own those resort hotels that no one wants to visit now.
 
2013-07-03 03:58:01 PM  

HighOnCraic:   I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.

 
2013-07-03 03:58:29 PM  

way south: netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.

To be fair, the military has all the guns.
Going against their benevolence is a risky proposition and all you'd win is the thanks of the brotherhood.

/This could still end up as a military dictatorship but, at this point, the military has been the more reasonable group of the lot.


Nah, doubt it.  Egypt's military are pretty much "keepers of the faith" with regards to Egypt's identity; as soon as everything calms down and a legitimate civilian government is established, they'll fall back into their default position.
 
2013-07-03 04:01:33 PM  

JerseyTim: The fireworks remind me of the Ewoks celebrating the Battle of Endor.


Ewoks didn't have "lasers".
 
2013-07-03 04:02:07 PM  

netweavr: Rwa2play: netweavr: Sounds like the Military is trying to make this bloodless. They've simply stated Morsi is no longer in power without doing anything to him.

This only works if the treasury, police, and media join them. Morsi will simply have no one follow his orders.

And I'm guessing the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually be made persona non grata in Egypt.

The MB are complaining that the military has already shut down their media stations... so yeah.


I read that as MIB at first.
 
2013-07-03 04:02:26 PM  
I wonder how much of their economy depended on tourism?
 
2013-07-03 04:03:33 PM  

AlanSmithee: HighOnCraic:   I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.


I didn't even see that one!
 
2013-07-03 04:03:38 PM  

whcrow: JerseyTim: The fireworks remind me of the Ewoks celebrating the Battle of Endor.

Ewoks didn't have "lasers".


No, they used type IV disruptors, everyone knows that.
 
2013-07-03 04:04:01 PM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-07-03 04:05:42 PM  

optikeye: I wonder how much of their economy depended on tourism?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Egypt
 
2013-07-03 04:07:08 PM  
Frankly, I've been baffled every since back when the old Egyptian Supreme Court ruled that the process of writing the new constitution was unconstitutional according to the old constitution.  I thought Egyptians showed remarkable restraint in not dragging the judges out into the desert and shooting them until nothing bigger than a falafel was left intact.
 
2013-07-03 04:07:34 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great. A military coup.

I'm sure that will bring peace and freedom to Egypt.



The same people have *effectively* been in charge in Egypt since Mubarak was in power.

But Mubarak was past his expiration date, and now they're just trying out different brands of makeup on the same old face.

You'll know that REAL change is taking place when (and if) Egypt stops cooperating with Israel's siege on Gaza, and Israel starts telling the US to bomb Cairo.
 
2013-07-03 04:10:02 PM  

Somacandra: runin800m: If the president had just declared that he had amended the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his actions and granted himself vast new authority rendering the both other branches of government effectively powerless, then we might not be so hasty to call military intervention a coup d'etat.

If the SCOTUS was entirely appointed by the Republican Party and was trying to dissolve Congress, you might definitely expect the Executive to engage it in a Constitutional showdown. Morsi didn't do this just out of the blue--all this took place in the context of a crisis between the old Judiciary and the brand new Parliament and Presdency.


A new president doesn't just get to unilaterally change the constitution because he doesn't like that the justices on the SC were appointed by his predecessor and aren't cooperating with him. Would it be a coup for the military to step in and force Obama out of office after he declared he had changed the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his decisions and granted himself sweeping new authority since Republicans put the majority on the court? I certainly hope that they would step in under a situation like that.
 
2013-07-03 04:10:28 PM  

Amos Quito: You'll know that REAL change is taking place when (and if) Egypt stops cooperating with Israel's siege on Gaza, and Israel starts telling the US to bomb Cairo.


Won't ever happen. Egypt and Israel love their $3 billion in cash and prizes for not blowing each other straight to hell too much to start squabbling, sparing some  huge development beyond the purview of either country.
 
2013-07-03 04:12:15 PM  
They should have waited till tomorrow, then to save money every year they could just show American fireworks on tv.
 
2013-07-03 04:12:51 PM  

A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes: I'm both saddened and proud of the fact that I learned more about the background of this thing from this thread than from any major media outlet in the past 6 months.

Kudos, Farkers!


Maybe more people would talk to you if you got ONE-toned shoes like the rest of us.
 
2013-07-03 04:12:59 PM  

Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy


Qaddafi
Gadhafi
Gaddafi
Qadhafi
Kadafi
Kaddafi
Qaddafi
Khadafy
Al-Gathafi
 
2013-07-03 04:13:11 PM  

runin800m: Would it be a coup for the military to step in and force Obama out of office after he declared he had changed the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his decisions and granted himself sweeping new authority since Republicans put the majority on the court?


Yes, as that's the very definition of a coup d'etat. You're conflating denotation with connotation.
 
2013-07-03 04:17:26 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Amos Quito: You'll know that REAL change is taking place when (and if) Egypt stops cooperating with Israel's siege on Gaza, and Israel starts telling the US to bomb Cairo.

Won't ever happen. Egypt and Israel love their $3 billion in cash and prizes for not blowing each other straight to hell too much to start squabbling, sparing some  huge development beyond the purview of either country.



Which was kind of my point: The raging spoiled brat we call Israel will get its money in any case.

Egypt's money, OTOH, is and always has been the "carrot" portion of the "carrot and stick" used to convince them to play nice with Israel, and to allow them to continue to oppress the Palestinians unmolested.

Your tax dollars go to both Egypt AND Israel so that the latter can be unopposed dickheads.
 
2013-07-03 04:20:39 PM  

IlGreven: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way

...with our citizenry the way it is? The president could admit to wanting to drop a nuke on NYC, and most Americans would go "Eh, he's the President. What can you do?"


And half the country would claim it was only partisan racists that were making a big deal out if it. We're toast.
 
2013-07-03 04:20:45 PM  
Amos Quito

I'm still convinced your Tatsuma's alternate dimension self.  You're both that far out there on the subject of Israel, just on opposite sides.
 
2013-07-03 04:20:48 PM  

that bosnian sniper: runin800m: Would it be a coup for the military to step in and force Obama out of office after he declared he had changed the constitution so that the supreme court could no longer review his decisions and granted himself sweeping new authority since Republicans put the majority on the court?

Yes, as that's the very definition of a coup d'etat. You're conflating denotation with connotation.


You're conflabulating conflabulating with conflating.
/Oh shut up, tuna!
 
2013-07-03 04:21:26 PM  
Bah, screwed up "you're".  Oh well, fail me.
 
2013-07-03 04:23:44 PM  
The thing is, not all coups are bad.
 
2013-07-03 04:24:40 PM  

Cato: IlGreven: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way

...with our citizenry the way it is? The president could admit to wanting to drop a nuke on NYC, and most Americans would go "Eh, he's the President. What can you do?"

And half the country would claim it was only partisan racists that were making a big deal out if it. We're toast.


More like the center and left would be outraged, the right would try to make it all about Obama because they like the idea of nuking NYC and just don't want to eat shiat for it, and when this was pointed out the center and left would all be accused of being in the can for President Fart.
 
2013-07-03 04:32:34 PM  
Anyway, as for all the "but, but democracy" stuff, that's irrelevant and I wish Americans could get that through their thick heads. The Nazis were democratically, too. The important thing isn't democracy, it's liberty - democracy is only important in as much as it fosters and protects liberty.

Democracy is the best system around for giving the people what they want, but it doesn't insure they want the right things. If they want liberty, they will get it. If they want a dictator that will suspend freedoms and oppress a minority, that's what they'll get. If they want violence and terror (like when we gave the Palestinians the vote), they'll get that.

Democracy is not an unadulterated good. It can often be a source of great evil. So stop with the "democracy!" thing and realize Morsi was an oppressive dictator, however he got power, and needed to go.
 
2013-07-03 04:34:29 PM  

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


Not Obamadangaligone, the other one.
 
2013-07-03 04:34:49 PM  
Why do threads like this bring out the derpiest right-wing trolls Fark has to offer?
 
2013-07-03 04:36:23 PM  

Cato: The Nazis were democratically, too


If you mean "democratically elected," no the fark they weren't.

Hitler was appointed Chancellor, and he expelled the Communist Party from the government so that the Nazis would then have a a majority.

Stupid revisionist talking point is stupid.
 
2013-07-03 04:37:32 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The problem with the legitimacy issue and comparing it to a stable democracy is that Morsi was actively trying to undermine the process that put him in office.  He rewrote the constitution and was well on the way to making himself President-for-life.   That's not how democracy works, the majority doesn't get to run roughshod over the minority.


Damn straight.  Only corporations get to run roughshod - over everybody.
 
2013-07-03 04:38:35 PM  

Cato: Anyway, as for all the "but, but democracy" stuff, that's irrelevant and I wish Americans could get that through their thick heads. The Nazis were democratically, too. The important thing isn't democracy, it's liberty - democracy is only important in as much as it fosters and protects liberty.

Democracy is the best system around for giving the people what they want, but it doesn't insure they want the right things. If they want liberty, they will get it. If they want a dictator that will suspend freedoms and oppress a minority, that's what they'll get. If they want violence and terror (like when we gave the Palestinians the vote), they'll get that.

Democracy is not an unadulterated good. It can often be a source of great evil. So stop with the "democracy!" thing and realize Morsi was an oppressive dictator, however he got power, and needed to go.


I love how you use the word freedom as if it were plural.
 
2013-07-03 04:39:44 PM  

Gonz: bsharitt: Surely democracy will work next time.

The US declared independence from England in 1776. George Washington became President in 1789. In between, we had the Continental Congress, the Articles of Confederation, and essentially 13 little nations with a common coin and army.

These things don't always work flawlessly the first time. Give the Egyptians some time, and be thankful that their military seems to be big on the Rule of Law.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 04:40:38 PM  

TheHubby: Archae hippy: Al Jazeera:  Morsi
Reuters:  Mursi
CNN:  Morsy

I was going to say something... CNN has been spelling it that way for the past few days, I submitted it as an error and received this reply:

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting CNN. We appreciate your input regarding our coverage. According to the Foreign Ministry, Mohamed Morsy is the preferred spelling of Egypt's first democratically elected president. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,CNN.com

So apparently CNN is saying that every other media outlet in the world is spelling it wrong.


His name is  محمد محمد مرسى عيسى العياط . All of those different spellings are different ways of transliterating Arabic letters. Since there is no formal and universal method for doing that all of those spellings are acceptable.
 
2013-07-03 04:41:46 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh no, Morsi can't just fark the people of Egypt consequence-free because he happened to win an election. It's so awful. Elections are consent to anything the elected person chooses to do and no one should ever object because reasons.

Do people really believe this shiat?


Apparently, Shrub, Obama and their staffs did/do.
 
2013-07-03 04:43:41 PM  

MalvolioMandarin: Cato: Anyway, as for all the "but, but democracy" stuff, that's irrelevant and I wish Americans could get that through their thick heads. The Nazis were democratically, too. The important thing isn't democracy, it's liberty - democracy is only important in as much as it fosters and protects liberty.

Democracy is the best system around for giving the people what they want, but it doesn't insure they want the right things. If they want liberty, they will get it. If they want a dictator that will suspend freedoms and oppress a minority, that's what they'll get. If they want violence and terror (like when we gave the Palestinians the vote), they'll get that.

Democracy is not an unadulterated good. It can often be a source of great evil. So stop with the "democracy!" thing and realize Morsi was an oppressive dictator, however he got power, and needed to go.

I love how you use the word freedom as if it were plural.


like socialisms.
 
2013-07-03 04:52:22 PM  
Ambitwistor, tell him that Khaddafi is spelled with an H and two D's and isn't a seven-letter word for anything.
 
2013-07-03 04:55:54 PM  

MalvolioMandarin: Cato: Anyway, as for all the "but, but democracy" stuff, that's irrelevant and I wish Americans could get that through their thick heads. The Nazis were democratically, too. The important thing isn't democracy, it's liberty - democracy is only important in as much as it fosters and protects liberty.

Democracy is the best system around for giving the people what they want, but it doesn't insure they want the right things. If they want liberty, they will get it. If they want a dictator that will suspend freedoms and oppress a minority, that's what they'll get. If they want violence and terror (like when we gave the Palestinians the vote), they'll get that.

Democracy is not an unadulterated good. It can often be a source of great evil. So stop with the "democracy!" thing and realize Morsi was an oppressive dictator, however he got power, and needed to go.

I love how you use the word freedom as if it were plural.


En, considering I was typing on my phone with my 10 year-old yelling in my ear, I think I did pretty well.
 
2013-07-03 05:02:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: So we're at Serious Pie one night and this guy at a table in the back gets up and goes to leave.  He brushes my wife's arm in passing, causing her to look up.  She gets this googley-eyed look on her face and says "OMG! I think that was Morrissey!"  Just like I do every time I click on the Entertainment tab I go "Who?" and she's says "MORRISSEY!  From the Smiths! OMG!"  and then she calls over the waiter who confirms that it was him and pretty soon everyone in the damn place including the manager is clustered around our table nattering on about some stupid guy I've never heard of.  We manage our way through the meal and get home.  My wife is determined that I know who he is even though I repeatedly tell her I have no clue.  She proceeds to play every farking song this pretentious asshole ever recorded while prodding me with "oh come on! Even you have to have heard this song!" while randomly selecting things from his catalog.  This went on for hours while she drank wine and sang along to what she was calling music.

So that is why I hate Morsi/Morrissey headlines and am secretly glad that one of them has been arrested.


People who know more than you do are SO STOOPID!!!
 
2013-07-03 05:03:05 PM  

CFitzsimmons: Ambitwistor, tell him that Khaddafi is spelled with an H and two D's and isn't a seven-letter word for anything.


farking transliteration, how does it work?
 
2013-07-03 05:05:42 PM  
Lifeless, it's a West Wing quote. Lighten up, buddy.
 
2013-07-03 05:23:22 PM  

Lifeless: CFitzsimmons: Ambitwistor, tell him that Khaddafi is spelled with an H and two D's and isn't a seven-letter word for anything.

farking transliteration, how does it work?


Lifeless, it's a West Wing quote. Lighten up, buddy.
 
2013-07-03 05:25:40 PM  
Egypt's army chief Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi

*giggle* El Sissy.
 
2013-07-03 05:54:04 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The thing is, not all coups are bad.


My dad a had a rebuilt 47 chevy, and you're right...it was sweet.
 
2013-07-03 05:58:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 06:05:38 PM  

MalvolioMandarin: Cato: Anyway, as for all the "but, but democracy" stuff, that's irrelevant and I wish Americans could get that through their thick heads. The Nazis were democratically, too. The important thing isn't democracy, it's liberty - democracy is only important in as much as it fosters and protects liberty.

Democracy is the best system around for giving the people what they want, but it doesn't insure they want the right things. If they want liberty, they will get it. If they want a dictator that will suspend freedoms and oppress a minority, that's what they'll get. If they want violence and terror (like when we gave the Palestinians the vote), they'll get that.

Democracy is not an unadulterated good. It can often be a source of great evil. So stop with the "democracy!" thing and realize Morsi was an oppressive dictator, however he got power, and needed to go.

I love how you use the word freedom as if it were plural.



Just like FDR did?
 
2013-07-03 07:19:45 PM  

make me some tea: Good riddance.

Now it remains to be seen whether the military allows a do-over on democracy or whether they decide to keep the power for themselves.


My view of the military there is that they just want the trains running on time, not to run the place.  I'm a little wary of this coup though.  Not that Morsi was anyone to defend.
 
2013-07-03 07:29:48 PM  

I_C_Weener: make me some tea: Good riddance.

Now it remains to be seen whether the military allows a do-over on democracy or whether they decide to keep the power for themselves.

My view of the military there is that they just want the trains running on time, not to run the place.  I'm a little wary of this coup though.  Not that Morsi was anyone to defend.


Yeah, that's the story they're selling, we'll see whether it works out that way in practice. I'm cautiously optimistic. They really shouldn't elect politicians until they agree on a framework of fair laws first, though. Otherwise whomever gets in there can run amok, and that's what happened.
 
2013-07-03 08:20:56 PM  
not sure about Egypt's chances in a war considering their army chief's name is "el Sissi"

/5th grader snickering
 
2013-07-03 08:45:08 PM  

Zafler: Amos Quito

I'm still convinced your Tatsuma's alternate dimension self.  You're both that far out there on the subject of Israel, just on opposite sides.



Tell him (them?) that. I'm sure he'd (they'd?)get a kick.

I would, but he's had me on "ignore" since day 1.
 
2013-07-03 08:49:34 PM  
I never thought a Islamist government would work well in Egypt. Egyptian identity is something that far pre-dates Islam by thousands of years, and it looms like a mighty shadow over everything in Egypt, and it is destroying tourism. Unlike many other Arab countries, Egyptians are have deep roots in another heritage that has no roots in the British partitioning. Cheops is not amused.
 
2013-07-03 09:03:14 PM  

odinsposse: His name is  محمد محمد مرسى عيسى العياط . All of those different spellings are different ways of transliterating Arabic letters. Since there is no formal and universal method for doing that all of those spellings are acceptable.


His name is Muhammad Muhammad?  [checks Wiki]  Yep, He's Muhammad Muhammad Morsi.  Name so nice they named him twice, I guess.

/Took Arabic in college
//Only remember the alphabet
///Slashies come in threes
 
2013-07-03 10:23:54 PM  
ariseatex:

His name is Muhammad Muhammad?

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2013-07-04 12:42:52 AM  

Harry_Seldon:  Egyptian identity is something that far pre-dates Islam by thousands of years, and it looms like a mighty shadow over everything in Egypt, and it is destroying tourism.


The only thing damaging tourism in egypt is Islamic extremism. That and hardcore misogyny and a tendency to rip everyone off given half a chance but mostly the fear of being shot at/kidnapped by islamic extremists.
 
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