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2013-07-03 12:22:14 PM

Nabb1: You shut your mouth.  How can you say he's going about things the wrong way?


He is human and he needs to be loved, just like everybody else does.
 
2013-07-03 12:22:33 PM

Therion: from al Jazeera's news ticker:

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAYS A MILITARY COUP IS UNDER WAY IN EGYPT AND THAT GROUP WILL STAND BETWEEN PRESIDENT AND TANKS

Good.


Hope they realize they'll be soldiers AND protesters going along with those tanks.  Sucks to be them.
 
2013-07-03 12:23:35 PM

netweavr: I think it's safe to call it a popular movement.


More like confirmation bias.  Remember the Iran threads?  To this day there is *zero* evidence of election manipulation, and indeed, in retrospect Amadeenajad was the moderate candidate.  That all gets lost in western narratives.  The Muslim Brotherhood has been active for *decades.*  It would be really foolish to act like their base of power evaporated in a few months.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:14 PM
Panic on the streets of..........Cairo?
 
2013-07-03 12:24:21 PM
What I imagine the view is form the Morsi's palace:

mantiseye.com
 
2013-07-03 12:24:31 PM

Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.

Though it might give us a chance to get in a more radical Islamic president who'll finish off the non-muslim Egyptian population for good.


Not sure if serious.

How is this illegal?  Aren't all coups illegal, if that's the case?  Isn't what we did to the British during the Revolution illegal?

I think my point is, there is no reason to make a distinction here.  Legality doesn't apply.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:34 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Is it me or is anybody else feeling a bit jealous that Egypt as a country got off it's ass and made a change? This is coming from a conservative, not aiming at current administration but at our whole "fark you because we can" government.


The difference is that they had a green field opportunity to put someone progressive into power and instead they went with Islamic Extremist number 1. If we had a green field opportunity would we elect GOP talking head number 1 and Democrat talking head number 1?

Will they now elect Islamic Extremist number 2? Probably.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:39 PM

Kevin72: Twitch Boy: Does this mean gas is gonna go back up to $4 a gallon?

Up? In California, that would be "down" to $4.


This.  In my neck of the woods, it would be way down to $4
 
2013-07-03 12:25:37 PM
THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!
 
2013-07-03 12:25:37 PM
I sometimes wish our military had the same resolve when Bush the Lesser was in power.
 
2013-07-03 12:25:47 PM

xynix: The difference is that they had a green field opportunity to put someone progressive into power and instead they went with Islamic Extremist number 1. If we had a green field opportunity would we elect GOP talking head number 1 and Democrat talking head number 1?


I guy can dream though.
 
2013-07-03 12:25:59 PM
Seriously, what is the beef that the Egyptian protesters have with Morsi?I've been trying to keep abreast of the situation, and I fully acknowlege how serious it is. They're just massing together in a huge blob, stirring up trouble unnecessarily. The whole thing seems a bit fishy to me.  Sure, I know his budget is filled with pork, which makes it hard to make ends meet.Is murdering him really a viable solution?  Acting like a bunch of gang-bangers will only undermine their cause in the international media.  I can understand why people don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood; I've been to several of their parties, and they were all just sausage-fests.  I worry that if the Egyptian citizens go to battle against the Egyptian armed forces, they'll be like lambs led to slaughter, and Egyptian medics will only be able to provide meatball surgery on the survivors, and that would be simply terrible.  I'll be frank, if Hillary Rodham Clinton were still the secretary of state, she could go there and deliver a solution, because she's a woman who knows how to bring home the bacon, but I'm sure some of you doubt that some crabby old hag is capable of accomplishing anything.  You're all just full of boloney!  Maybe John Kerry will give it a shot, doggedly working day and night until peace is established, or maybe he'll just wing it.  I wish some moderate writer in the Middle East, maybe someone like Salmon Rushdie, would speak out on this issue; unfortunately, they're all too chicken.  I guess they just don't want to gamble when the steaks are this high.  Finding a peaceful solution is nothing to knock, worst-case-scenario, Morsi will just duck the issue and run off to retire in Turkey.  But the bottom line is, violent protests are not the answer to the Egyptian problem; I would do anything for my love of freedom, but I won't do that.If any of you farkers want to discuss this with me, my e-mail address is in my profile; just don't fill up my inbox with spam.
    
 
2013-07-03 12:26:32 PM

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: russlar: Al Jazeera isn't reporting this...

They are now.


link?
 
2013-07-03 12:27:51 PM

DarnoKonrad: No it's not. Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats. That means you make the rules. And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.


Getting 50.01% of the vote doesn't mean you can have all your opponents executed then raped.

I really hate this attitude among some people that winning an election means you have unlimited permission to do whatever you want without any consequence.
 
2013-07-03 12:27:55 PM

Mrbogey: I'm sure America will condemn this illegal coup.


Of course we will.  Our government has been thoroughly infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood operatives.

(This is what Republicans believe, right?)
 
2013-07-03 12:28:03 PM
A SECOND COUP HAS HIT THE SOUTH PYRAMID
 
2013-07-03 12:28:52 PM

DarnoKonrad: netweavr: If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

No it's not.  Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats.  That means you make the rules.


Really?  I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:54 PM

cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 12:29:06 PM

mainstreet62: A SECOND COUP HAS HIT THE SOUTH PYRAMID


+1
 
2013-07-03 12:29:31 PM
 Also there is about to be a civil war. People don't just get that close, and just say awww fark it when they meet resistance. It is about to get real deal happy meal
 
2013-07-03 12:29:41 PM
I guess the lesson learned here is democracy only works when the voting public ISN'T a bunch of religious nut-job fundies.
Let the lobbyists choose our leaders, unwashed Joe-public.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Red Shirt Blues: Muslim Brotherhood said it will stand between the tanks and Morsi. Yeah right.

Between and then under, and then behind.


{evil laughter}
 
2013-07-03 12:30:05 PM
Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed...
 
2013-07-03 12:30:18 PM

Satanic_Hamster: DarnoKonrad: No it's not. Morsi got a majority of votes and his party got a majority of seats. That means you make the rules. And I wouldn't be quick to *assume* the protestors represent a popular movement.

Getting 50.01% of the vote doesn't mean you can have all your opponents executed then raped.

I really hate this attitude among some people that winning an election means you have unlimited permission to do whatever you want without any consequence.



Hyperbole on your part.  Morsi's real problem is the economy.  Don't fool yourself.  "People rise up against evil Muslim leader" is a narrative western minds understand, which is why it's pushed, but it doesn't represent the complexities of the situation.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:43 PM

Kurohone: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

Robespierre was elected.  Saint-Just was elected.


Must ... resist ... urge .... to Godwin.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:44 PM

what_now: netweavr: what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.

If Obama went full Native Son, he'd be removed in the same way. This isn't a "we don't want to sleep in the bed we made." It's a "the linens we used turned out to be infested with spiders."

I understand that, but what's the end game here? Who takes over? The military? Then its not democracy. Is there another guy waiting in the wings? not that I've heard. Do they hold new elections? When? who rules in the meantime?


Spiro Agnew? Dan Quayle? Dick Cheney?
 
2013-07-03 12:30:45 PM

HypnozombieX: Also there is about to be a civil war. People don't just get that close, and just say awww fark it when they meet resistance. It is about to get real deal happy meal


Since it seems like most if not all of the military is on one side of this thing, it will be a short war.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:51 PM

DarnoKonrad: sleeps in trees: e decided to suspend all elections in the foreseeable future.

http://www.euronews.com/2013/03/07/morsi-not-to-appeal-against-elect io n-suspension/

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/egypt-court-overturns-morsi-decree -s uspends-elections/1084149/


The courts are the one who suspended Morsi's planned elections.




I stand corrected.

/wait this is fark... YOUR WRONG!!1!1
 
2013-07-03 12:30:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 12:31:04 PM
Egyptians hate it when their friends become successful.

And if it's Morsi, that makes it even worse.
 
2013-07-03 12:31:29 PM

cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!


NY Post Reports 12 Morsis on Plane
 
2013-07-03 12:32:43 PM
I guess Morsi can feel the soil falling over his head.
 
2013-07-03 12:32:48 PM
One flew over the coup coup nest.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:07 PM

ciberido: Really? I thought most democratic countries had was something called "checks and balances" that said otherwise.


Read the link.  "checks and balances" is specific our dysfunctional system.  Most parliamentary democracies  around the world think our system is undemocratic and stupid, and they're largely right.


sure if you're an American "checks and balances" might as well be written by Jesus, but no, most of the world does not practice "checks and balances."
 
2013-07-03 12:33:08 PM
I bet this will hurt Obama's re-election chances.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:16 PM
Maybe he'll be a witness in the George Zimmerman case.  He does have a mustache.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:29 PM
Hope they can elect a moderate... Perhaps outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood or former members from being allowed to run for office... worked with Germany right?
 
2013-07-03 12:34:33 PM
travel ban extends to:

Muhammad Badie (Arabic: محمد بديع Muḥammad Badīʿ, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd bæˈdiːʕ]) (born 1943) is the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.[1] He has headed the Egyptian branch of the international Islamist organization since 2010. Before becoming general guide, Badi'e had been a member of the group's governing council, the Guidance Bureau, since 1996.

Mohammed Khairat Saad El-Shater[1] (Arabic: محمد خيرت سعد الشاطر, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈxæjɾæt ˈsæʕd eʃˈʃɑːtˤeɾ]; born 4 May 1950) is an Egyptian engineer, businessman and Islamist political activist. He was the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate for the Egyptian presidential election in 2012 before disqualification by the election commission. Previously, he was the deputy chairman ("deputy supreme guide") of the Brotherhood.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:06 PM
I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?
 
2013-07-03 12:35:30 PM
Tanks are rolling. Doesn't look good for Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews-live/egypt-in-crisis
 
2013-07-03 12:35:33 PM

I was just scanning through the Wikipedia articles on this and found this (properly sourced) quote by Obama from two days ago:

Now, obviously, we've been watching these big protests.  Our number-one priority has been making sure that our embassies and consulates are protected.  Number two, what we've consistently insisted on is that all parties involved -- whether it's members of Mr. Morsi's party or the opposition -- that they remain peaceful.


I guess he learned his lesson from Benghazi.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:41 PM

21-7-b: travel ban extends to:

Muhammad Badie (Arabic: محمد بديع Muḥammad Badīʿ, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd bæˈdiːʕ]) (born 1943) is the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.[1] He has headed the Egyptian branch of the international Islamist organization since 2010. Before becoming general guide, Badi'e had been a member of the group's governing council, the Guidance Bureau, since 1996.

Mohammed Khairat Saad El-Shater[1] (Arabic: محمد خيرت سعد الشاطر, IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈxæjɾæt ˈsæʕd eʃˈʃɑːtˤeɾ]; born 4 May 1950) is an Egyptian engineer, businessman and Islamist political activist. He was the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate for the Egyptian presidential election in 2012 before disqualification by the election commission. Previously, he was the deputy chairman ("deputy supreme guide") of the Brotherhood.


Remember when people said the Muslim Brotherhood would be "taking over" the country?

Now their leaders are under house arrest. Democracy is beautiful.
 
2013-07-03 12:36:11 PM
President under house arrest, I know, I know, it's serious.
 
2013-07-03 12:36:23 PM
FrancoFile: cwheelie: THIS JUST IN!
CNN IS REPORTING THAT MORSI IS ON A PLANE TO ECUADOR WITH PAULA DEEN!
MORE FACTS COMING AS SOON AS WE CAN THINK OF SOME!

NY Post FOX Reports 12 Morsis on Plane eating caviar and lobsters and drinking champagne with Michelle Obama!!
 
2013-07-03 12:37:10 PM

what_now: netweavr: Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.

He was turning the nation into a terrorist factory. He was also exploiting the countries resources for Western-interests.

Basically he was playing both sides against the middle. The middle being the Egyptian people.

But he was democratically elected. You can't have a democracy if you decide "Oh, I don't like that guy. We'll just have the military oust him".

You elected a bad guy? You get a do over in 4 years.


This. they new they were electing an Islamist thug to begin with. The only rationale for this would be if they thought the laws were being changed to prevent future legitimate elections.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:37 PM

Kurohone: I think the best (and most likely) outcome is that in a decade or so we have a Turkey-style democracy, where there are multiparty, free and fair elections, but with the military sitting off to the side making damn sure that all Islamist influences are scrubbed out.


Yeah, I wish Turkey worked that way.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:47 PM

Tommy Moo: What started all this? Does anyone remember? Was he cracking down on dissent? Was he ignoring the needs of the poor? I thought this was the guy that got elected by the people just a couple of years ago.


A series of decisions and statement by Morsi that show a pattern of consolidating his power toward a theocratic dictatorship. Back in Nov. he declared his decisions not subject to judicial review. That was straw that broke the camel's back. Protests began again and the opposition began to solidify after that rather brazen power grab.

Since then there have been many protests and the two sides have not exactly been coming together. There has been violence between protesters and counter-protesters. Morsi has done a number of additional questionable and controversial things which for brevity I won't list here. The crisis has come to a head recently is because the opposition planned a mega protest in Tahir square for Jun 30 and they have gotten, by some reports, more people there than the protests that brought down Mubarak.

The turnout was likely fueled by the fact that Morsi gave a speech a few days earlier where he was expected to address the opposition's concerns but instead the speech turned out to be a rambling two and a half hour long middle finger to them. He also quoted some really obviously cooked stats about how the economy has been getting better under his rule. That probably turned some fence sitters over to the opposition since it is apparent to everyone in Egypt that their economy has been getting worse.
 
2013-07-03 12:37:59 PM

durbnpoisn: I need a few questions answered - and I'm serious about this, because I am completely lost on this, thanks to the crap reporting.

1.  How did this guy get to be President?  Was he truly elected?
2.  What's he done to piss off millions of people in his country, including the military?
3.  Why does the media keep saying they are a "key ally"
4.  How much oil do the have, and how much are the selling to the US.
5.  Who is this fight between (that is, are the protesters the Muslims, or the other side)?


Yes he was elected, and the economy is shiat.  That's the real issue.  All the political and religious crap is window dressing for western audiences.
 
2013-07-03 12:39:04 PM
Viva Hate.
 
2013-07-03 12:40:22 PM
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