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2013-07-03 12:45:19 PM
That'll show... someone.
 
2013-07-03 01:11:25 PM
I am 100% sure that European intelligence agencies spy on us too. So I'm guessing this is just bluster to make them look good to the people who are outraged and nothing will come of it.
 
2013-07-03 01:31:55 PM
Who cares:

1.  Trade agreements with the US aren't going to save Europe, they're already farked.

2.  They can posture all they want, what just happened with the Bolivian president indicates where they stand when push comes to shove.

/also, I got some serious pop ups on that page
 
2013-07-03 01:32:17 PM

odinsposse: I am 100% sure that European intelligence agencies spy on us too. So I'm guessing this is just bluster to make them look good to the people who are outraged and nothing will come of it.


I've been curious if our government is going to take the route of:  "Here's all the ways in the last five years that we know of Germany spying on other European countries."
 
2013-07-03 01:34:09 PM
 
2013-07-03 01:36:42 PM

MattStafford: 1. Trade agreements with the US aren't going to save Europe, they're already farked.


Stupid face, I'm gonna cut off my nose. That'll show it for being so ugly.
 
2013-07-03 01:40:39 PM
You need US, EU. Your job waiting tables is not enough to pay for your 3 kids. So stop your biatchjng and make America a sammich.
 
2013-07-03 01:46:21 PM
Did they learn nothing from Bill O'Reilly's call to boycott French products nearly ruining their economy!?
 
2013-07-03 01:49:03 PM

The article is sort of long. Here is a graphic demonstrating the French strategy:


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-03 01:49:08 PM
I see naked people on the side bar.  Oh la la!

/zut alors!
 
2013-07-03 01:49:12 PM
HEY!!1! THERE'S NAKED PEOPLE ON THAT WEB PAGE!!1!

Mods, could we get a NSFW for naked French asses on the webpage.

/I reported this cuz they're pudgy French asses
 
2013-07-03 01:49:14 PM
Subby clearly doesn't have too fine a grasp of the nuance of trade negotiations. Calling for a suspension in talks doesn't mean they want a suspension, it's about building leverage for those talks.

The US will end up having to make some concessions they wouldn't otherwise have done in order to keep things going, albeit probably not big concessions given the situation in the EU.
 
2013-07-03 01:51:06 PM
This could be a moment for an adult conversation about the rampant espionage industry with tentacles throughout the private and public world and how it is destroying trust in governments and corporations.  But of course it will just be a game of political grandstanding and finger pointing.
 
2013-07-03 01:51:14 PM
Remember when Obama was going to improve the image of the US?
 
2013-07-03 01:52:15 PM

MugzyBrown: Remember when Obama was going to improve the image of the US?


I sure did when Putin told Snowden to shut the fark up.
 
2013-07-03 01:57:10 PM
Who gives a fark? The only people trade agreements ever benefits are filthy rich investment bankers and big shot corporate executives. How is this even remotely relevant to the lives of actual human beings?
 
2013-07-03 01:59:58 PM
European based corporations tell France to STFU and stop farking around with their money in 3...2...
 
2013-07-03 02:02:01 PM

xanadian: zut alors!


"Look, a lors!"

// I am not making this up, I stole the joke from Dave Barry
 
2013-07-03 02:02:08 PM
Oh, and the US is France's 7th largest trading partner, it's not as if they absolutely depend on us.
 
2013-07-03 02:04:43 PM

odinsposse: I am 100% sure that European intelligence agencies spy on us too. So I'm guessing this is just bluster to make them look good to the people who are outraged and nothing will come of it.


Pretty much.

MattStafford: Who cares:

1. Trade agreements with the US aren't going to save Europe, they're already farked.


In the short term, for the right people, I see it working out quite well.

European commerce has a problem, one to which the US is no stranger: to stay competitive, it needs to get better value for its labor dollar, and that is no longer possible within its own borders. Outsourcing to eastern Asia, the way the US did, is off the table, for reasons I don't think I need to explain here. But there are other countries to which outsourcing would pose far fewer ethical questions, like, say, the US. Which, lo and behold, has a jobs shortage in exactly the sorts of fields that tend to get outsourced.

US workers win. European businesses win. Everyone wins. What could possibly go wrong? Or so, at least, the logic goes.
 
2013-07-03 02:08:33 PM
I always try to cut the French some slack.

They went heavily into debt to the British and Wall Street to fight WWI (There was financial interest in America joining the war. If France lost, Wall Street would lose billions in debt owed to it. The doughboys made the world profitable for John D. Rockefeller.) I realize the Versailles Treaty was ruinous for Germany but France had to pay its debt to the US and UK somehow.

Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.

So, they can have their posturings and puffing. They gave the world the Rights of Man.

/besides, French wine, French cheese, and so many other amazing things...
 
2013-07-03 02:12:12 PM
France calls for EU to consider economic suicide against US surrender over spying issue
 
2013-07-03 02:13:45 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.


Would you like us to look at what the French did for the Axis as well?
 
m00
2013-07-03 02:15:59 PM
We need to put the blame for this out of control spying squarely where it belongs: Edward Snowden.
 
2013-07-03 02:16:52 PM
Little do they know the basement of the NSA is filled with 'mericans screaming "why can't these frogs just speak American?  And I though the English were hard to understand!"
 
2013-07-03 02:17:16 PM

LectertheChef: Oh, and the US is France's 7th largest trading partner, it's not as if they absolutely depend on us.


The EU (and hence France) absolutely depend on us, since they export twice as much to the US as they do with their next largest trading partner, China, and their trade with us amounts to about 14% of their exports. With an economy essentially flat-lined as it is, cutting off 14% would cause the entire house of cards to collapse.
 
2013-07-03 02:19:57 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: TheShavingofOccam123: Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.

Would you like us to look at what the French did for the Axis as well?


skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com

Nah, I'm good. I'm gonna sit over here and read my copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, autographed by Henry Ford himself.
 
2013-07-03 02:22:08 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Philip Francis Queeg: TheShavingofOccam123: Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.

Would you like us to look at what the French did for the Axis as well?

[skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com image 273x216]

Nah, I'm good. I'm gonna sit over here and read my copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, autographed by Henry Ford himself.


So both sides are the bad, vote Vichy?
 
2013-07-03 02:24:25 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: TheShavingofOccam123: Philip Francis Queeg: TheShavingofOccam123: Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.

Would you like us to look at what the French did for the Axis as well?

[skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com image 273x216]

Nah, I'm good. I'm gonna sit over here and read my copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, autographed by Henry Ford himself.

So both sides are the bad, vote Vichy?


Ausgezeichnet! Oops. Er. Exceptionnel!
 
2013-07-03 02:26:55 PM
If EU have nothing to hide, then they should not be worried about wiretapping.

/arguement works for Americans, should apply in Eutope as well
 
2013-07-03 02:38:11 PM
It's just stupid posturing.  Every country knows every other countries spies on it... probably partially because they're spying on other countries.  The shocker would be if the US wasn't spying on France.
 
2013-07-03 02:40:09 PM

Stone Meadow: LectertheChef: Oh, and the US is France's 7th largest trading partner, it's not as if they absolutely depend on us.

The EU (and hence France) absolutely depend on us, since they export twice as much to the US as they do with their next largest trading partner, China, and their trade with us amounts to about 14% of their exports. With an economy essentially flat-lined as it is, cutting off 14% would cause the entire house of cards to collapse.


You're an idiot. There's no way the EU cuts off trade entirely from the US. Besides this is just about free trade agreements and has nothing to do with actual trade which occurs every day.

We all depend on each other. The EU is a huge part of the American economy. No one is talking about economic sanctions against America. No one with any brains, that is.
 
2013-07-03 02:41:39 PM

SpectroBoy: The article is sort of long. Here is a graphic demonstrating the French strategy:


[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


If I remember correctly that strategy work because those people were just that dumb. Is that what you meant?
 
2013-07-03 02:44:44 PM
The story of the American republic will only ever end in its isolation, encirclement, and destruction by the combined strength of the rest of the world. I say let's get on with it.
 
2013-07-03 02:46:48 PM

macadamnut: The story of the American republic will only ever end in its isolation, encirclement, and destruction by the combined strength of the rest of the world. I say let's get on with it.


Right now it looks like a race between that and being derped to death from the inside.
 
2013-07-03 02:48:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: odinsposse: I am 100% sure that European intelligence agencies spy on us too. So I'm guessing this is just bluster to make them look good to the people who are outraged and nothing will come of it.

I've been curious if our government is going to take the route of:  "Here's all the ways in the last five years that we know of Germany spying on other European countries."


That would be glorious.

All of our governments would do well with some more egg on their faces.
 
2013-07-03 02:53:31 PM
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-03 02:53:36 PM
I'm confused. Is France for or against the US? They say they are upset about spying but then take orders from the US to block the Bolivian President's plane because Snowden might be aboard?
 
2013-07-03 02:53:54 PM

MattStafford: They can posture all they want, what just happened with the Bolivian president indicates where they stand when push comes to shove.


They're french, what did you expect?
 
2013-07-03 02:54:20 PM
Obama has certainly improved our standings in the world.
 
2013-07-03 02:57:03 PM

sendtodave: Satanic_Hamster: odinsposse: I am 100% sure that European intelligence agencies spy on us too. So I'm guessing this is just bluster to make them look good to the people who are outraged and nothing will come of it.

I've been curious if our government is going to take the route of:  "Here's all the ways in the last five years that we know of Germany spying on other European countries."

That would be glorious.

All of our governments would do well with some more egg on their faces.


Whomever leaked that would be hunted by Obama and His Minions to the ends of the earth and captured, only to disappear forever.
 
2013-07-03 03:00:41 PM

The Numbers: Subby clearly doesn't have too fine a grasp of the nuance of trade negotiations. Calling for a suspension in talks doesn't mean they want a suspension, it's about building leverage for those talks.

The US will end up having to make some concessions they wouldn't otherwise have done in order to keep things going, albeit probably not big concessions given the situation in the EU.


Just tit-for-tat for the US claiming that the "cultural exception" for movie subsidies was going to cost the EU big time in the negotiations I guess (despite the fact the US provides massive amounts of subsidies for movies, particularly at state and more local government levels, so would have been hurt by not making that exception  anyway).
 
2013-07-03 03:00:53 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I always try to cut the French some slack.

They went heavily into debt to the British and Wall Street to fight WWI (There was financial interest in America joining the war. If France lost, Wall Street would lose billions in debt owed to it. The doughboys made the world profitable for John D. Rockefeller.) I realize the Versailles Treaty was ruinous for Germany but France had to pay its debt to the US and UK somehow.

Then they had to take on Hitler and the Axis in Western Europe. I don't blame France for surrendering. They lost something like 1 in 5 of their  population in WWI. Plus, if they hadn't surrendered we would not have had Vichy to drive through from the south or the French resistance helping in the north previous to the Allied invasion.  Watch Army of Crime for a look at what the French population did to help the Allies.

So, they can have their posturings and puffing. They gave the world the Rights of Man.

/besides, French wine, French cheese, and so many other amazing things...


Wall Street lose billions?

Is that the joke?
 
2013-07-03 03:07:22 PM
The only thing a US-EU free trade agreement would do is give mexican workers something to do in our factories.
 
2013-07-03 03:14:35 PM

Nemo's Brother: Obama has certainly improved our standings in the world.


Hmm, what do you think should have been done specifically differently?
 
2013-07-03 03:29:11 PM
Opps, sorry about the images on the right, I didn't see them.

/subby
 
2013-07-03 03:37:37 PM
I thought the EU was economic suicide.
 
2013-07-03 03:50:21 PM
Damnit Subby, I clicked on the link for the NSFW images and was disappointed in the lack thereof.
 
2013-07-03 03:50:40 PM
Don't make us go all Freedom Fries up in here.
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 03:57:00 PM
Christ, 'merikuns! If it wasn't for France you'd be speaking proper English and using adequate table-manners right now!
SHOW SOME RESPECT!
 
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