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(The Week)   Apple, apparently dropping all pretense that their products are anything but a fashion accessory for hipsters and brand-obssessed douchebags, hires the CEO of Yves St. Laurent as a VP in charge of "special projects"   (theweek.com) divider line 98
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2013-07-03 11:17:15 AM  
People like pretty things and many are swayed by popularity?  I never knew.

The only way they could play to even more people is if they offered free beer and junk food at the Apple stores.
 
2013-07-03 11:19:38 AM  
go be poor somewhere else, jealousmitter.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:26 AM  
Oh and computers are no longer that beige box under the table.  Nowadays, the case is needed to keep you from losing/dropping the thing.  I count credit cards with chips in that mix as well.
 
2013-07-03 11:33:45 AM  
This headline is a textbook example of trying too hard.
 
2013-07-03 11:49:05 AM  

Makh: People like pretty things and many are swayed by popularity?  I never knew.

The only way they could play to even more people is if they offered free beer and junk food at the Apple stores.


The problem is that "designers" like that aren't interested in functional design as much as they are making a "brand identity". Hopefully, design decisions will be made based on how it looks and fits with a regular user's life (putting fins on it, even if they house bigger chips or an add-on card, is a fail. Not that I think this is possible).

Steve Jobs didn't have a fashion degree, and his designs were "simplify, simplify". How does that jive with hiring a "design consultant" whose very job is about complicating design?

How many examples of design getting up its own ass do I need to cite (beyond Homer's car of the future) as proof?
 
2013-07-03 12:16:56 PM  
OSX is a fantastic operating system and Macs rock.

Other than that, yeah...  iOS - suck.   iPhone - suck.  iPad - suck.

/ I like my shuffle, though....
 
2013-07-03 12:23:09 PM  
This thread calls for 'Real Genius' quantities of popcorn.

/Let the butthurt proceed
 
2013-07-03 12:24:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Makh: People like pretty things and many are swayed by popularity?  I never knew.

The only way they could play to even more people is if they offered free beer and junk food at the Apple stores.

The problem is that "designers" like that aren't interested in functional design as much as they are making a "brand identity". Hopefully, design decisions will be made based on how it looks and fits with a regular user's life (putting fins on it, even if they house bigger chips or an add-on card, is a fail. Not that I think this is possible).

Steve Jobs didn't have a fashion degree, and his designs were "simplify, simplify". How does that jive with hiring a "design consultant" whose very job is about complicating design?

How many examples of design getting up its own ass do I need to cite (beyond Homer's car of the future) as proof?


Steve Jobs designs were all stolen from Bang and Olflsan, Sony, and Olevetti.
 
2013-07-03 12:36:11 PM  
Let the panty twisting commence, eh fandroids?
 
2013-07-03 12:36:40 PM  
So soon we'll have Heroin Chic iPads and Anorexic Macbooks?

And then next I suppose they'll be made by child labor in third-world sweatshops.

/oh, wait...
 
2013-07-03 12:37:50 PM  
Looooong time Windows user and current enterprise storage admin here.  Just recently bought a couple Macs for the first time, including the new Macbook Air. This may or may not have come as a result of using some Windows 8 machines recently.

The competing OS's (Windows 7 and Mountain Lion) do roughly the same thing in different ways, and there is lots to like on both sides.  The build quality on the Air is absolutely stunning, so if they keep that up, then it's all good.  Also, 12 hours of battery life in a package that small is amazing, and makes the non (quickly) replaceable battery a moot point.  Until this new designer actually farks something up, I'll reserve judgement.
 
2013-07-03 12:40:16 PM  
I was a long-time iPhone user (having recently switched to an Android device).

The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.

Aside from the battery concern, though, iPhones and iOS devices are roughly at parity with Android and Windows devices in terms of hardware.

The thing that pushed me over from iPhone to Android was the fact that Android allows me to choose which apps are the default apps for certain things.

In iOS, the default browser is always Safari and if you click on a link in an email or an app, it will launch in Safari. Third party browsers are kind of out of luck in this regard. Android allows me to choose my browser defaults as well as the photo viewer defaults, PDF viewer defaults, etc.
 
2013-07-03 12:43:58 PM  
THe real reason you people dislike Apple is that you;re poor, and envious of people who can afford things that are obviously so superior as to be well worth 5x as much as any other option.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:20 PM  
Regarding price of Apple hardware vs. Windows hardware -

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like having generally disposable devices. If a 500 or 600 dollar laptop breaks or if I get bored with it, I can get another one and that would be barely a concern of mine. If a 1200 dollar laptop breaks or I get bored with it, I'm kind of stuck. For the price of one Macbook Pro, I can buy two new laptops over the course of 4 years.

Yes, maybe that's not the most rational ways of thinking of it, but I balk at spending 1200 in one shot but wouldn't bat an eyelash at spending $600 twice over 4 years.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:52 PM  

theflatline: Steve Jobs designs were all stolen from Bang and Olflsan, Sony, and Olevetti.


So? Better to be stolen by a product person than dreamed up by a 6 or 7-figure "design consultant".

Either the consultant comes back with an overly-ornate or overly-showy design that fails as a useful product (think 70% of the clothing at fashion shows vs what people actually wear), or the consultant produces a more minimalist design, in which case what did they spend a million bucks on?

If Apple's admitting that they can't design anything without The Master's guiding hand, there are far better ways to do it than this.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:57 PM  
Some people like their things shiny, some people prefer a different look:
shadowness.com
God Bless America
 
2013-07-03 12:57:19 PM  
I have a G4 that lasted 10 years with not one single issue. but it seems to have died. won't start.

but 10 years is a good run. my wife had two PCs die in that time.

oooooh shiny
 
2013-07-03 01:00:38 PM  

busy chillin': I have a G4 that lasted 10 years with not one single issue. but it seems to have died. won't start.

but 10 years is a good run. my wife had two PCs die in that time.

oooooh shiny


I've still got an old G4 running under the desk right now.   It's not doing much other than acting as a big assed file storage server, but it works.
 
2013-07-03 01:08:22 PM  

animal900: Until this new designer actually farks something up, I'll reserve judgement.


Two minor quibbles:

1) dude isn't a designer, he just led a fashion company.
2) STOP BEING REASONABLE IN AN APPLE THREAD.
 
2013-07-03 01:10:25 PM  
Shouldn't this have a Sponsored Partner tag?
 
2013-07-03 01:14:55 PM  
I've owned a fw ipods, including a touch..all gifts and you can put me solidly in the "just don;t get the appeal" camp.  The ipod was an okay MP3 player that was extremely annoying to get my old DRM-free content onto, or move purchased content from device to device.

abut for me the real sticking point is price: This Christmas, The wife got a 4G Android Smartphone that has a faster processor  more memory and a bigger screen, than an Iphone 4  (HTC Evo 4g)   My son got an android smartphone that has equivalent specs to the Iphone and an expansion slot for SD cards and built-in Beats Audio (HTC one V)/  They were both purchased on a pay as you go network (so no carrier subsidies) and I got a Google Nexus 7, which has faster processors and a better display than the Ipad mini, yet COMBINED they were less than a single 7in iPad mini
 
2013-07-03 01:25:51 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Steve Jobs didn't have a fashion degree, and his designs were "simplify, simplify". How does that jive with hiring a "design consultant" whose very job is about complicating design?


he hired frog design, they did the designing .
 
2013-07-03 01:26:51 PM  

Magorn: I've owned a fw ipods, including a touch..all gifts and you can put me solidly in the "just don;t get the appeal" camp.  The ipod was an okay MP3 player that was extremely annoying to get my old DRM-free content onto, or move purchased content from device to device.


I've had iPods since the first USB model. I've never had any trouble with putting my own content on them, or moving DRM content from device to device.
 
2013-07-03 01:33:48 PM  

RexTalionis: In iOS, the default browser is always Safari and if you click on a link in an email or an app, it will launch in Safari. Third party browsers are kind of out of luck in this regard. Android allows me to choose my browser defaults as well as the photo viewer defaults, PDF viewer defaults, etc.


Wait, isn't that the *exact same behavior* that caused microsoft to fall afoul of antitrust laws?
 
2013-07-03 01:48:09 PM  

Kanemano: Dr Dreidel: Steve Jobs didn't have a fashion degree, and his designs were "simplify, simplify". How does that jive with hiring a "design consultant" whose very job is about complicating design?

he hired frog design, they did the designing .


Ah.

Yes, that does change things.

// and I'll add that if the focus is (remains?) on "simple and functional", Apple deserves praise
// still don't think they needed to hire someone from the world of haute couture, though
 
2013-07-03 01:50:40 PM  

Felgraf: Wait, isn't that the *exact same behavior* that caused microsoft to fall afoul of antitrust laws?


No, unless you can show me where Apple were telling OEM's what the default browser of iOS had to be on their handsets in which case it *might* be similar behaviour.

In fact showing me the OEM iOS device is kinda tricky.
 
2013-07-03 02:05:42 PM  

RexTalionis: Regarding price of Apple hardware vs. Windows hardware -

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like having generally disposable devices. If a 500 or 600 dollar laptop breaks or if I get bored with it, I can get another one and that would be barely a concern of mine. If a 1200 dollar laptop breaks or I get bored with it, I'm kind of stuck. For the price of one Macbook Pro, I can buy two new laptops over the course of 4 years.

Yes, maybe that's not the most rational ways of thinking of it, but I balk at spending 1200 in one shot but wouldn't bat an eyelash at spending $600 twice over 4 years.


Normally I despise the culture of disposability that we have developed, it leads to cheap products and lots of waste, but tech is a weird category in that it is more about frequent upgrading to newer/faster/better devices instead of just disposability.

That said, I used to be a "cheap" laptop user. Usually running some flavour of linux and maybe a small windows partition. I still heavily use linux (8-core, 50GB of RAM workstation) on a day to day basis but I made the switch to a Macbook Air as my "interface" and general computing laptop that I use constantly and am totally sold. It also has a much higher quality compared to cheap laptops. Cheap laptops do break pretty easily. Hinges on the lid, backlight, fans, internal components, etc. My macbook takes just as much abuse as any of my other laptops ever did and doesn't flinch. I'm less worried about it breaking over the 4 year period than I am cheaper laptops.
 
2013-07-03 02:23:46 PM  

entropic_existence: That said, I used to be a "cheap" laptop user. Usually running some flavour of linux and maybe a small windows partition. I still heavily use linux (8-core, 50GB of RAM workstation) on a day to day basis but I made the switch to a Macbook Air as my "interface" and general computing laptop that I use constantly and am totally sold. It also has a much higher quality compared to cheap laptops. Cheap laptops do break pretty easily. Hinges on the lid, backlight, fans, internal components, etc. My macbook takes just as much abuse as any of my other laptops ever did and doesn't flinch. I'm less worried about it breaking over the 4 year period than I am cheaper laptops.


Second that. Apple's current laptop line (Air + Pro) has a nice attribute: both models were originally the premium models containing the highest build quality and latest tech, where the price was higher because the extra money was worth it because otherwise you'd have bought the low-cost MacBook instead. Now that the tech's all perfected, the Air is the low-cost MacBook, but the design is perfected and the suppliers like Intel are all caught up with mass-producing the special orders Apple originally demanded.
 
2013-07-03 02:28:51 PM  

RexTalionis: I was a long-time iPhone user (having recently switched to an Android device).

The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.

Aside from the battery concern, though, iPhones and iOS devices are roughly at parity with Android and Windows devices in terms of hardware.


Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.
 
2013-07-03 02:36:04 PM  
doucheabgs

This is precisely the grasp of the English language I would expect from an apoplectic Frother. Cut from the same loincloth and of the same ilk as WHAR et al. Indeed, as the priest is to homosexuality, the frothing hater is to Apple.
 
2013-07-03 02:40:14 PM  
While my Android phone does seem a bit better foR work related nursing apps, my iPad is absolutely great for nursing school and I can't imagine making it through without it. Also before you start thinking sexy nurse, I'm an overweight balding guy in his 30's who used to a network guy.
 
2013-07-03 02:43:10 PM  
 
2013-07-03 02:43:23 PM  

theflatline: Dr Dreidel: Makh: People like pretty things and many are swayed by popularity?  I never knew.

The only way they could play to even more people is if they offered free beer and junk food at the Apple stores.

The problem is that "designers" like that aren't interested in functional design as much as they are making a "brand identity". Hopefully, design decisions will be made based on how it looks and fits with a regular user's life (putting fins on it, even if they house bigger chips or an add-on card, is a fail. Not that I think this is possible).

Steve Jobs didn't have a fashion degree, and his designs were "simplify, simplify". How does that jive with hiring a "design consultant" whose very job is about complicating design?

How many examples of design getting up its own ass do I need to cite (beyond Homer's car of the future) as proof?

Steve Jobs designs were all stolen from Bang and Olflsan, Sony, and Olevetti.


Apple is going to make turntables and typewriters now?
I wouldn't buy them, but it would be neat to see.
 
2013-07-03 02:46:15 PM  

Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.


I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.
 
2013-07-03 02:50:47 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.


Or most musicians. Even amateur guys are likely going to do their recording through a laptop or desktop versus a phone.
 
2013-07-03 02:54:13 PM  

entropic_existence: RexTalionis: Regarding price of Apple hardware vs. Windows hardware -

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like having generally disposable devices. If a 500 or 600 dollar laptop breaks or if I get bored with it, I can get another one and that would be barely a concern of mine. If a 1200 dollar laptop breaks or I get bored with it, I'm kind of stuck. For the price of one Macbook Pro, I can buy two new laptops over the course of 4 years.

Yes, maybe that's not the most rational ways of thinking of it, but I balk at spending 1200 in one shot but wouldn't bat an eyelash at spending $600 twice over 4 years.

Normally I despise the culture of disposability that we have developed, it leads to cheap products and lots of waste, but tech is a weird category in that it is more about frequent upgrading to newer/faster/better devices instead of just disposability.

That said, I used to be a "cheap" laptop user. Usually running some flavour of linux and maybe a small windows partition. I still heavily use linux (8-core, 50GB of RAM workstation) on a day to day basis but I made the switch to a Macbook Air as my "interface" and general computing laptop that I use constantly and am totally sold. It also has a much higher quality compared to cheap laptops. Cheap laptops do break pretty easily. Hinges on the lid, backlight, fans, internal components, etc. My macbook takes just as much abuse as any of my other laptops ever did and doesn't flinch. I'm less worried about it breaking over the 4 year period than I am cheaper laptops.


I don't disagree with you that the build quality is better on Macbooks, but, really I get bored having the same device for prolonged periods of time, so I get lots of replacement devices (I swapped out my iPhone 4S for a Nexus 4 after 1 year of use, will probably swap the Nexus 4 for the Moto X when that gets released later this year) on a regular basis. Yeah, I've got a problem.
 
2013-07-03 02:59:38 PM  
One of the tags for this story is "wearable computing"...

imagescdn.tweaktown.com

...the CEO of YSL is hired...

cdn4.smartbuyglasses.com

...and nobody else is talking about the wearable computing angle? Apple filed a patent for a computer watch in Japan, anybody? Nobody?  Apple's March filings for patents relating to curved screens and batteries? Watches that link to your phone via Bluetooth coming out this week? Show text messages or the number of who's calling before you fish that phone out?

You people suck in the Geek thread.
 
2013-07-03 03:03:54 PM  

Jackpot777: Apple filed a patent for a computer watch in Japan


It's a trademark, big whoop.

Jackpot777: Apple's March filings for patents relating to curved screens and batteries?


Meh.

Jackpot777: Watches that link to your phone via Bluetooth coming out this week?


The Pebbles have been out to Kickstarter backers for quite a while now. And, frankly, by all accounts, it's not even that good.
 
2013-07-03 03:07:35 PM  

Jackpot777: One of the tags for this story is "wearable computing"...

[imagescdn.tweaktown.com image 306x350]

...the CEO of YSL is hired...

[cdn4.smartbuyglasses.com image 600x300]

...and nobody else is talking about the wearable computing angle? Apple filed a patent for a computer watch in Japan, anybody? Nobody?  Apple's March filings for patents relating to curved screens and batteries? Watches that link to your phone via Bluetooth coming out this week? Show text messages or the number of who's calling before you fish that phone out?

You people suck in the Geek thread.


www.globalnerdy.com
 
2013-07-03 03:08:15 PM  

Dr Dreidel: the consultant produces a more minimalist design, in which case what did they spend a million bucks on?


Er... they'll have spent it on a more minimalist design?  Which, given Apple's tendencies, will likely be appreciated and considered money well spent?

Is this a trick question?
 
2013-07-03 03:09:10 PM  

entropic_existence: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Or most musicians. Even amateur guys are likely going to do their recording through a laptop or desktop versus a phone.


Meh there have actually been full records released that were recorded on an ipad.  that being said the point of a tablet is mobility and sometimes it's nice to be mobile and record things.

Everything is better on a desktop but it's not mobile so it's kind of a pointless comparison.
 
2013-07-03 03:10:15 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.


Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.
 
2013-07-03 03:11:14 PM  

Russky: Everything is better on a desktop but it's not mobile so it's kind of a pointless comparison.


greatpicx.com

Hey, man, my desktop is plenty mobile.
 
2013-07-03 03:12:13 PM  

RexTalionis: Regarding price of Apple hardware vs. Windows hardware -

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like having generally disposable devices. If a 500 or 600 dollar laptop breaks or if I get bored with it, I can get another one and that would be barely a concern of mine. If a 1200 dollar laptop breaks or I get bored with it, I'm kind of stuck. For the price of one Macbook Pro, I can buy two new laptops over the course of 4 years.

Yes, maybe that's not the most rational ways of thinking of it, but I balk at spending 1200 in one shot but wouldn't bat an eyelash at spending $600 twice over 4 years.


Yeah, I typically spend around $700 for a laptop I expect to last - in terms of specs - for about two years. Apple's build quality only seems superior to PCs because they don't make budget models. A $1200 PC laptop is typically going to be built well, too.

That said, I don't want my laptops to last for four years or more. You can add RAM and a larger drive easily, but anything else is a pain. In that 2 year span processors get faster, factory RAM and storage rises, etc. Why would I want to be stuck with a 4 year-old rig when in that 4 years my computing needs have almost assuredly grown more demanding? I always outgrow my rigs within a couple of years.

Desktops are different, as you can more or less keep upgrading the thing cheaply and easily for 50 farking years.
 
2013-07-03 03:12:49 PM  

Russky: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.


Even on tablets, it's an extreme niche product with an extreme niche appeal. Even more so than the people who bought Photoshop for iOS and Android (like me).
 
2013-07-03 03:15:05 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Dr Dreidel: the consultant produces a more minimalist design, in which case what did they spend a million bucks on?

Er... they'll have spent it on a more minimalist design?  Which, given Apple's tendencies, will likely be appreciated and considered money well spent?

Is this a trick question?


I can pay a 5-star chef $10k to make a steak on my grill, or I can slap the same $15 steak on my grill and watch it myself. In the former case, I may get a better steak, but the difference in cost hardly seems worth it.
 
2013-07-03 03:15:46 PM  

Russky: Well tablet more so. Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price. But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.


This is the kind of feature where most users don't really care. I doubt that many people have said "Well, I'm not going to buy that tablet because it's not so great for professional recording studio sessions!" It's a feature, sure, but it's not a feature that most people would care about. It's like NFC - having it is nice, but seriously, does anyone actually buy it for that feature?
 
2013-07-03 03:16:23 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.

Even on tablets, it's an extreme niche product with an extreme niche appeal. Even more so than the people who bought Photoshop for iOS and Android (like me).


That fine but it still doesn't erase the fact that apple does that part of hardware better.  It's amazing to me how so many people can't just say 'yup' and move on.  they come up with all kinds of reasons to dismiss it because well i don't know, I guess they can't comprehend that a person might buy an apple product for an actual technical reason.  I suppose it doesn't fit in with their generalizations of someone that buys an apple product..
 
2013-07-03 03:16:30 PM  
Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.
 
2013-07-03 03:18:24 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: Well tablet more so. Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price. But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.

This is the kind of feature where most users don't really care. I doubt that many people have said "Well, I'm not going to buy that tablet because it's not so great for professional recording studio sessions!" It's a feature, sure, but it's not a feature that most people would care about. It's like NFC - having it is nice, but seriously, does anyone actually buy it for that feature?


I didn't know we could only discuss features that most people care about, or that i should actually care what most people care about or why that's even part of the conversation.
 
2013-07-03 03:18:45 PM  
Wearable computing is the answer.
 
2013-07-03 03:19:12 PM  

Russky: That fine but it still doesn't erase the fact that apple does that part of hardware better. It's amazing to me how so many people can't just say 'yup' and move on. they come up with all kinds of reasons to dismiss it because well i don't know, I guess they can't comprehend that a person might buy an apple product for an actual technical reason. I suppose it doesn't fit in with their generalizations of someone that buys an apple product..


First of all, I was an iPhone user from 2009-2013, so I'm one of those people who buys Apple products.

Second of all - it's a feature that nobody cares about. My current phone, the Nexus 4 has NFC. The iPhone 5 doesn't. Big whoop, who gives a crap? Sure, you can say that one device does one part of the hardware better than the other, but most people don't care about that hardware at all.

Frankly, you're the one harping on about the feature. Seriously, does anyone in this thread beside you care about how well a phone can be used for recording studio sessions besides you?
 
2013-07-03 03:20:35 PM  

Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.


Yeah, because all the Pros think of whipping out their phone when recording professionally. Who even needs studios anymore when you can record your next hit single inside the dumpster behind Burger King?
 
2013-07-03 03:21:53 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.


...or professional musicians.
 
2013-07-03 03:23:01 PM  

RexTalionis: Russky: That fine but it still doesn't erase the fact that apple does that part of hardware better. It's amazing to me how so many people can't just say 'yup' and move on. they come up with all kinds of reasons to dismiss it because well i don't know, I guess they can't comprehend that a person might buy an apple product for an actual technical reason. I suppose it doesn't fit in with their generalizations of someone that buys an apple product..

First of all, I was an iPhone user from 2009-2013, so I'm one of those people who buys Apple products.

Second of all - it's a feature that nobody cares about. My current phone, the Nexus 4 has NFC. The iPhone 5 doesn't. Big whoop, who gives a crap? Sure, you can say that one device does one part of the hardware better than the other, but most people don't care about that hardware at all.

Frankly, you're the one harping on about the feature. Seriously, does anyone in this thread beside you care about how well a phone can be used for recording studio sessions besides you?


Well i made one simple comments and you replied and other replied so i continued the conversation.  I think that's how forums work.  If no one replied then i wouldn't have said anything else. '

Is their a failure in my logic here or a reason you are getting so bent out of shape about conversing on a forum?

Feel free to not reply if it offends you so much.......
 
2013-07-03 03:24:14 PM  
"...could be a move to propel Apple's brand internationally..."

I keep reading this over and over again, and it becomes more and more hilarious every farking time.

/suicide net
 
2013-07-03 03:24:22 PM  

Russky: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.


Of course, then you have to take your hands off of the guitar to switch between effects pedals, unless you're saying just for in the studio, which means that you'd pay MORE, because you'd still need the pedals for performing, and have to buy a tablet on top of it. There's a reason that they made them FOOT pedals.
 
2013-07-03 03:25:23 PM  

Russky: Well i made one simple comments and you replied and other replied so i continued the conversation. I think that's how forums work. If no one replied then i wouldn't have said anything else. '

Is their a failure in my logic here or a reason you are getting so bent out of shape about conversing on a forum?

Feel free to not reply if it offends you so much.......


If you think I care, I don't. I'm just waiting to get the hell out of dodge for July 4th.
 
2013-07-03 03:25:48 PM  

dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.


No, it makes you more interested in people seeing that you are on a Mac.
 
2013-07-03 03:26:54 PM  

Mikey1969: Russky: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.

Of course, then you have to take your hands off of the guitar to switch between effects pedals, unless you're saying just for in the studio, which means that you'd pay MORE, because you'd still need the pedals for performing, and have to buy a tablet on top of it. There's a reason that they made them FOOT pedals.


Stompbox, auto switching effects via midi.  It's not complicated.
 
2013-07-03 03:32:52 PM  

dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.


I'm guessing these people largely fall into the Whippersnapper demographic.

www.alliancewake.com
 
2013-07-03 03:35:20 PM  

dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.


1) The people who can afford to pay $4-5 for a coffee can afford to pay $1200 - $3000 for a laptop
2) The people who hang out in coffee shops use Macs.

/Had a Mac.  It was okay, except that it needed $4000 in repairs (all covered by Applecare) during the 3 years I had it.
 
2013-07-03 03:35:42 PM  

Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.


It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?
 
2013-07-03 03:49:34 PM  

Surool: ...or professional musicians.


You would be surprised.  The last Sonic Talk (the podcast of the Sonic State people, I'm sure you'll of heard of them moving in professional music circles) spent a fair amount of time discussing iPad based software synth's.   They comment very favourably on both the quality of these soft-synth's and have said repeatedly that the iPad could have a use in pro music; albeit for a younger crowd than the hosts.

That's just synth's.  I've seen an iPad being used for lyrics by a pub band and a lot of guitar players seem to like them for... well whatever guitarists get up to.

So... your counter argument is?
 
2013-07-03 03:55:43 PM  

Vaneshi: Surool: ...or professional musicians.

You would be surprised.  The last Sonic Talk (the podcast of the Sonic State people, I'm sure you'll of heard of them moving in professional music circles) spent a fair amount of time discussing iPad based software synth's.   They comment very favourably on both the quality of these soft-synth's and have said repeatedly that the iPad could have a use in pro music; albeit for a younger crowd than the hosts.

That's just synth's.  I've seen an iPad being used for lyrics by a pub band and a lot of guitar players seem to like them for... well whatever guitarists get up to.

So... your counter argument is?


Not a big for of theirs but the guy from Dream Theater does some amazing stuff using the iPad that he said he wasn't able to do on a regular synth.  He uses it live and in studio.
 
2013-07-03 04:05:49 PM  

Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?


DJs are using things like tablets a lot more.

www.ienlive.com

i476.photobucket.com

cdn1.sbnation.com

Traktor and Virtual DJ are two industry-standard software options for DJs. At the most recent IDMAs, Traktor Kontrol S4 won Best Hardware Mixer but Virtual DJ Pro won Best DJ Software ahead of Traktor Pro 2. Mixxx is a fine open-source alternative for anyone starting out. And they're getting a lot of use now on tablets as well as laptops.

If they're good enough for Liam Howlett of The Prodigy, or Carl Cox, they'll do for me!
 
2013-07-03 04:08:12 PM  

Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?


...or you can take it that I've been working at pro audio companies since college. You've seen my ads placed in your favorite magazines since 1991. Most pros go with more than 2 channels, but there's nothing wrong with the amateur market. It's much easier than dealing with the pro gear if you don't need it.

Vaneshi: I've seen an iPad being used for lyrics by a pub band


My initial comment was made in response to a comment about recording. I'm so happy people find so many non recording uses for iPads. I don't have a counterargument about stuff I wasn't talking about, so I guess you are correct there.
 
2013-07-03 04:11:52 PM  

dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.


Why is it that everyone at my country club seems to drive a German luxury car?

Low income people aren't regularly buying $5 coffees.
 
2013-07-03 04:16:34 PM  

Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?

...or you can take it that I've been working at pro audio companies since college. You've seen my ads placed in your favorite magazines since 1991. Most pros go with more than 2 channels, but there's nothing wrong with the amateur market. It's much easier than dealing with the pro gear if you don't need it.


Gorillaz may not be huge but their last album was written and recorded on the iPad.  That being said they've sold millions of albums so they aren't amateur either.
 
2013-07-03 04:32:05 PM  

Doublespeak: Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?

...or you can take it that I've been working at pro audio companies since college. You've seen my ads placed in your favorite magazines since 1991. Most pros go with more than 2 channels, but there's nothing wrong with the amateur market. It's much easier than dealing with the pro gear if you don't need it.

Gorillaz may not be huge but their last album was written and recorded on the iPad.  That being said they've sold millions of albums so they aren't amateur either.


I looked at the list of apps involved, and almost all of the audio was generated/sequenced inside the iPad, which has nothing to do with the input delay that I was commenting about. Sounds like all they had to do was get a couple vocal tracks in there to add to the music tracks produced on the iPad. Again, it's neato that an iPad can be used to synthesize instruments, but that is a long way from recording a band.
 
2013-07-03 04:38:33 PM  

Jackpot777: DJs are using things like tablets a lot more.


Interesting stuff...but I still prefer my 1200s. Though I have started integrating. Funny how analog devices can get along with digital.

/vinyl is heavy
 
2013-07-03 04:41:04 PM  

Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?

...or you can take it that I've been working at pro audio companies since college. You've seen my ads placed in your favorite magazines since 1991. Most pros go with more than 2 channels, but there's nothing wrong with the amateur market. It's much easier than dealing with the pro gear if you don't need it.

Gorillaz may not be huge but their last album was written and recorded on the iPad.  That being said they've sold millions of albums so they aren't amateur either.

I looked at the list of apps involved, and almost all of the audio was generated/sequenced inside the iPad, which has nothing to do with the input delay that I was commenting about. Sounds like all they had to do was get a couple vocal tracks in there to add to the music tracks produced on the iPad. Again, it's neato that an iPad can be used to synthesize instruments, but that is a long way from recording a band.


You can watch Jordan Rudess (sp?) from Dream Theater using an iPad live to see why input lag would be a concern for a professional musician.  We are crossing between recording and live but it is the same input lag issue and that is in fact a concern.
 
2013-07-03 04:58:06 PM  

Doublespeak: Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: Doublespeak: Surool: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

...or professional musicians.

It's starting to see a lot of use in professional studios and live as well.  I take it you aren't a musician or haven't read a guitar mag in the last 5 years?

...or you can take it that I've been working at pro audio companies since college. You've seen my ads placed in your favorite magazines since 1991. Most pros go with more than 2 channels, but there's nothing wrong with the amateur market. It's much easier than dealing with the pro gear if you don't need it.

Gorillaz may not be huge but their last album was written and recorded on the iPad.  That being said they've sold millions of albums so they aren't amateur either.

I looked at the list of apps involved, and almost all of the audio was generated/sequenced inside the iPad, which has nothing to do with the input delay that I was commenting about. Sounds like all they had to do was get a couple vocal tracks in there to add to the music tracks produced on the iPad. Again, it's neato that an iPad can be used to synthesize instruments, but that is a long way from recording a band.

You can watch Jordan Rudess (sp?) from Dream Theater using an iPad live to see why input lag would be a concern for a professional musician.  We are crossing between recording and live but it is the same input lag issue and that is in fact a concern.


I read that again and i think we are actually talking about two different things.  The input lag i was referring to was specifically to using the touchscreen which then activates your drum sound within the device or keyboard, etc.  Android has a very high input lag compared to ios.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Curn_fdMOBA
 
2013-07-03 05:08:38 PM  

Doublespeak: You can watch Jordan Rudess (sp?) from Dream Theater using an iPad live to see why input lag would be a concern for a professional musician.  We are crossing between recording and live but it is the same input lag issue and that is in fact a concern.


I looked up 3 articles that talk about him using an iPad as an instrument. In fact, Jordan has released an iPad app to do exactly that... so it looks like he plays the iPad, and it is recorded by something else.

AGAIN. I was only talking about using an iPad as a RECORDER (especially since it only can have 2 inputs: a left and a right mono, or a single stereo channel. I have also seen a few companies create docking stations (or hook up wirelessly) to use an iPad as a kick ass control surface, but it just isn't a recorder of multiple, non-internal audio signals.

FFS, I'm not saying iPads are bad, faulty or worthless. They are not designed to be multi-track audio recorders. Can we agree to that and let it go?
 
2013-07-03 05:48:19 PM  

Russky: RexTalionis: I was a long-time iPhone user (having recently switched to an Android device).

The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.

Aside from the battery concern, though, iPhones and iOS devices are roughly at parity with Android and Windows devices in terms of hardware.

Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.


Using your phone for recording anything other than scratch tracks isn't something musicians do.   No phone is adequate for anything other than that.
 
2013-07-03 05:51:41 PM  

Doublespeak: I read that again and i think we are actually talking about two different things.  The input lag i was referring to was specifically to using the touchscreen which then activates your drum sound within the device or keyboard, etc.  Android has a very high input lag compared to ios.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Curn_fdMOBA


While there is a later video by the same uploader claiming to show the same amount of latency in Jelly Bean I don't think it is a very fair comparison when you are using two totally different apps, which can have a massive effect on input latency of any sort. Not to mention not showing what other apps may be running on the android device. If you leave many things open and start chewing in to memory from multitasking you'll hit latency issues as well.

I can see how it impacts people who want to use iOS versus Android for playing live music from a drum app or similar as they are showing in the video though.
 
2013-07-03 05:52:10 PM  

Russky: RexTalionis: Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.

I can't imagine that being that big of an issue for most phone users.

Well tablet more so.  Fender for example has put out a fantastic app that you can pretty much use to replace all of your guitar pedals at a much cheaper price.  But you won't be doing that on android and you certainly wouldn't want to carry a desktop around to 'jamming' sessions.


You won't be doing it on your iPad, either.   Software based effect modeling has been around forever, and it pretty much all sucks.   No guitar player, anywhere, will be replacing their stomp boxes with a farking iPad because their stomp boxes sound better, and they can, well, stomp on 'em.
 
2013-07-03 06:20:40 PM  
Taco Bell's "Chilito" (Chili Cheese Burrito) with Fritos in it. That was the deal.
 
2013-07-03 06:23:23 PM  
Whoops.

Wrong. F*cking. Thread.
 
2013-07-03 06:48:35 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Taco Bell's "Chilito" (Chili Cheese Burrito) with Fritos in it. That was the deal.


ArcadianRefugee: Whoops.

Wrong. F*cking. Thread.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Sorry, batin...
 
2013-07-03 07:17:20 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: THe real reason you people dislike Apple is that you;re poor, and envious of people who can afford things that are obviously so superior as to be well worth 5x as much as any other option.



bombod.com
They just don't get it.
 
2013-07-03 07:18:36 PM  

Rent Party: busy chillin': I have a G4 that lasted 10 years with not one single issue. but it seems to have died. won't start.

but 10 years is a good run. my wife had two PCs die in that time.

oooooh shiny

I've still got an old G4 running under the desk right now.   It's not doing much other than acting as a big assed file storage server, but it works.


Whatever.  I have a 2004 Dell laptop running as a print server in my garage.
 
2013-07-03 07:32:24 PM  

dk47: Rent Party: busy chillin': I have a G4 that lasted 10 years with not one single issue. but it seems to have died. won't start.

but 10 years is a good run. my wife had two PCs die in that time.

oooooh shiny

I've still got an old G4 running under the desk right now.   It's not doing much other than acting as a big assed file storage server, but it works.

Whatever.  I have a 2004 Dell laptop running as a print server in my garage.




An old averatec laptop handles my streaming to an old 5.1 computer sounds system, in my garage.
 
2013-07-03 09:37:30 PM  

RexTalionis: I was a long-time iPhone user (having recently switched to an Android device).

The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.

Aside from the battery concern, though, iPhones and iOS devices are roughly at parity with Android and Windows devices in terms of hardware.

The thing that pushed me over from iPhone to Android was the fact that Android allows me to choose which apps are the default apps for certain things.

In iOS, the default browser is always Safari and if you click on a link in an email or an app, it will launch in Safari. Third party browsers are kind of out of luck in this regard. Android allows me to choose my browser defaults as well as the photo viewer defaults, PDF viewer defaults, etc.


Two more significant advantages to iOS are better auto-correct and the built-in "undo" function, which is sorely lacking in Android. I have a iPod Touch and and Android tablet - and actually prefer iOS for the smaller device. But I use the tablet more when I'm home, and the horrible autocorrect drives me batty, making wrong assumptions all the damn time, and it's just compounded by the fact that if I'm backspacing to fix Android's error and I hold the backspace down too long, I'll loose whole strings of words, and THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THEM BACK without typing them all over again. I've never any of these problems (bad autocorrect, over-agressive backspace, or inability to undo) on my iPod Touch.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled slap-fight instituted by people who care, for some reason, what OS other people use and how much they spend on electronics.
 
2013-07-04 12:51:33 AM  

thornhill: dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.

Why is it that everyone at my country club seems to drive a German luxury car?

Low income people aren't regularly buying $5 coffees.


You do realize that you sound like a jerk, yes? The implication: only poor people use PC? And we can't spend 5$ for whatever the coffee drink is named?
 
2013-07-04 01:55:27 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: RexTalionis: I was a long-time iPhone user (having recently switched to an Android device).

The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.

Aside from the battery concern, though, iPhones and iOS devices are roughly at parity with Android and Windows devices in terms of hardware.

The thing that pushed me over from iPhone to Android was the fact that Android allows me to choose which apps are the default apps for certain things.

In iOS, the default browser is always Safari and if you click on a link in an email or an app, it will launch in Safari. Third party browsers are kind of out of luck in this regard. Android allows me to choose my browser defaults as well as the photo viewer defaults, PDF viewer defaults, etc.

Two more significant advantages to iOS are better auto-correct and the built-in "undo" function, which is sorely lacking in Android. I have a iPod Touch and and Android tablet - and actually prefer iOS for the smaller device. But I use the tablet more when I'm home, and the horrible autocorrect drives me batty, making wrong assumptions all the damn time, and it's just compounded by the fact that if I'm backspacing to fix Android's error and I hold the backspace down too long, I'll loose whole strings of words, and THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THEM BACK without typing them all over again. I've never any of these problems (bad autocorrect, over-agressive backspace, or inability to undo) on my iPod Touch.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled slap-fight instituted by people who care, for some reason, what OS other people use and how much they spend on electronics.


You're aware of swift key, Swype, Google keyboard(check the market, I'm not talking about what comes standard), thumb keyboard, go keyboard, 8pen, KALQ, Slide IT? HTC, Samsung, and stock android at least as far as what comes on it. There are literally dozens of options for keyboards on Android. You can Swype, you can split the keyboard for tablets, customize latency, keypress feedback, you name it, you can make it exactly how you want it. Nearly all of them have great auto correct with customizable and learning options. Last I used an iPhone... you got what it came with.

I will admit, the software buttons, specifically back, is often incredibly wrong about what I want because they tried to make it multi use. I would prefer back and undo and previous app as three buttons. Luckily some of that is configurable, and I have pie.
 
2013-07-04 02:54:26 AM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: THe real reason you people dislike Apple is that you;re poor, and envious of people who can afford things that are obviously so superior as to be well worth 5x as much as any other option.


Rich people are known for being profligate with their funds.  That's why every company run by wealthy people pays so much.  It's those companies run by poor people that pay minimum wage, right?

/most apple users I've known were broke college students and hipsters sharing a 2bed1ba with 5 other people
//most wealthy people I know use PCs and have Androids or dumbphones
 
2013-07-04 03:37:16 AM  
Let me know when I can get parts and build my own Mac, then put any one of a number of OS's on it.

/almost done building my fourth PC
//so fast I have to nail it to the desk
 
2013-07-04 03:53:31 AM  

RexTalionis: The only clear advantage the iPhone and other iOS devices have over their Android (and Windows-based) counterparts is that iDevices have phenomenal battery life and power efficiency.


The vast majority of that, though, is the fact that push updates go through a central relaying station before getting to your phone, and they all come through as one package at predetermined intervals. That's something like 75% of the battery life advantage, and unfortunately is really only possible in a closed eco-system where Apple gets to enforce these kinds of standards. Google could do the same thing and instantly increase the battery life of all Android devices, but it would then lose the distributed nature of Android apps. It's mostly a software advantage. Meanwhile with most Android devices, I can simply pay $20 for a spare battery (making the total cost STILL cheaper than an iPhone) and have a longer total talk time on one charge. It's also a major pain in the ass to replace busted iPhone batteries (though some incredibly talented people I know can do a 5 in just a hair under 10 minutes), and will set you back $40-100.

100 Watt Walrus: Two more significant advantages to iOS are better auto-correct and the built-in "undo" function


Which auto-correct? The "naked" Android keyboard, or one of the ones that has been screwed with to hell and back by one of the manufacturers in their custom UI? The naked one is not bad, but some of the custom ones are garbage. The great thing is you can get a new keyboard from one of a number of providers for dirt cheap. I will agree with you on the "undo" functionality, though.
 
2013-07-04 03:58:15 AM  

dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.


Because the people who buy macs want other people to see that they are buying macs, even if they are just using them to read FARK. The ones who buy PCs don't give a sh*t, they just want to get their work done.

One other thing... so many people in this thread b*tch and moan about breaking their PC laptops... the very first laptop I bought was a mid-priced Toshiba, and it lasted for almost ten years with one broken (actually worn out) part - I had to replace the "Enter" key at year 8. The only reason I finally chucked it was because it was too old to run the 64 bit version of windows 7. Gave it to a charity, where seniors are using it with windows XP to learn how to use computers.
My question is this... what the fark are you people doing to your machines? Tossing them down the stairs every morning?
 
2013-07-04 06:01:54 AM  

rewind2846: Let me know when I can get parts and build my own Mac, then put any one of a number of OS's on it.

/almost done building my fourth PC
//so fast I have to nail it to the desk


No where near as fast as you think it is.   Also you can do that right...... now.

You did want someone to let you know.  You've been able to do it, one way or another, since OS X 10.4 came out for Intel Mac's.
 
2013-07-04 07:11:43 AM  

Vaneshi: No where near as fast as you think it is. Also you can do that right...... now.


Including the case? Good luck with that.
And it's a damn sight faster than any mac I could buy at the same price point ($1500 plus $410 for professional grade dual 21 inch monitors). When Cupertino can beat that deal, I'll buy it. Till then I'll pick the case I want (Rosewill Thor V2), the processor I want (AMD FX-8350 4.0 GHz/4.2GHz), the memory I want (32 gb), the HD space I want (4 TB of WD drives (green/blue) with 3 TB of external WD drives), the optical drives I want (1 dvd burner, 1 blu-ray burner), and so on, running win 7 64 bit. I use it to render my 3d animations in autodesk 3d studio MAX, that's how I know how fast it is.

Apple does not give me those choices, and if they did, I would have to sell a kidney to purchase them.

Now you know.
 
2013-07-04 10:22:17 AM  
Remember, fashion before function and if it costs more it must be worth more.
 
2013-07-04 10:52:55 AM  

Russky: Or if you want to actually use it for recording music, Android's hardware has been an abject failure for musicians up until the recent nexus which only has twice the input delay of ios devices.


In which port?
 
2013-07-04 03:10:44 PM  

rewind2846: Now you know.



Yes a small child thinks his little poot poot is impressive.  Didums thinks anything with an AMD is teh awezomes or some shizzle I frankly am not down with nor do I want to be.  Because you live in a fantasy world full of unicorns and ponies, I know this because you profess to be teh uber l33t 3D artist yet brought... not a SMP'd Xeon system, not even a single proc Xeon.  No.  You brought AMD.  Think about it.  Those two do not gel.  They are mutually exclusive statements: 3D high end professional workstation & AMD processor.  Also you intimate it's a self build.

Now we know you're a moron.  The real pro's buy a workstation from Dell, Apple, HP... they don't DIY.

Yes, you can build a Hackintosh.  Right. Now.  Been there, done that.
 
2013-07-04 03:32:42 PM  

Vaneshi: The real pro's buy a workstation from Dell, Apple, HP... they don't DIY.

Yes, you can build a Hackintosh. Right. Now. Been there, done that.


I have a DELL at work. When someone else is footing the bill, they buy what they like. When I'm paying for it, I buy what I like. I like AMD, and I like building it myself.

Also, if you'll read what I wrote (a task for you with your limited synaptic response, I know) I didn't say anything about a "Hackintosh", but a machine built with parts blessed by Apple. You need to work on that.
 
2013-07-04 05:03:14 PM  

rewind2846: dickfreckle: Oh, and one more thing - why is that whenever I go to a coffee shop, 65% of the people are using Macs? This is wildly disproportionate to the Mac's overall market share. Seriously, would anyone float a hypothesis to help explain this? I don't get how having an Apple product suddenly makes you more mobile and interested in coffee.

Because the people who buy macs want other people to see that they are buying macs, even if they are just using them to read FARK. The ones who buy PCs don't give a sh*t, they just want to get their work done.

One other thing... so many people in this thread b*tch and moan about breaking their PC laptops... the very first laptop I bought was a mid-priced Toshiba, and it lasted for almost ten years with one broken (actually worn out) part - I had to replace the "Enter" key at year 8. The only reason I finally chucked it was because it was too old to run the 64 bit version of windows 7. Gave it to a charity, where seniors are using it with windows XP to learn how to use computers.
My question is this... what the fark are you people doing to your machines? Tossing them down the stairs every morning?


The only hardware problem I've had with a PC laptop is with the one I'm using right now. The fan is acting up. It works, but does it loudly. Clicking sound, likely off-axis. And the charger died, sending me to the Radio Shack around the corner to buy an overpriced universal charger because, hell, who among us will live without our computer for the 3 or 4 days Amazon or Newegg will take? I have a netbook with a dead drive lying around here somewhere, booting Ubuntu from a thumb drive, but there was no way I was putting up with that sh*t just to save a few bucks.

That aside, all 5,983 PC laptops I've owned performed exactly as their stats would provide, and held up physically as well as any other eventually disposable device. I do have a spec-monster desktop but it is in storage in another time zone (long story).
 
2013-07-04 09:12:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: You're aware of swift key, Swype, Google keyboard(check the market, I'm not talking about what comes standard), thumb keyboard, go keyboard, 8pen, KALQ, Slide IT? HTC, Samsung, and stock android at least as far as what comes on it. There are litera ...


Lusiphur: Which auto-correct? The "naked" Android keyboard, or one of the ones that has been screwed with to hell and back by one of the manufacturers in their custom UI? The naked one is not bad, but some of the custom ones are garbage. The great thing is you can get a new keyboard from one of a number of providers for dirt cheap. I will agree with you on the "undo" functionality, though.


I've tried a few. Right now I'm using TouchPal, which has even WORSE autocorrect (it literally has a guess for EVERYTHING you type, even if it's a single letter. You can't type "C.S. Lewis" without it trying to change "C." into a word it thinks you want), but it's fantastic for typing (swipe up for caps, down for various punctuation marks). I've tried Swype, and a few others, and found none I like, and figured TouchPal was at least better than the native, which has just gawdawful proximity typing - getting letters wrong all the time, and giving me multiples of the same letter if I don't hit the "key" juuuust right (Android 4.0.3). But I guess I'll keep looking.
 
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