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2013-07-03 12:44:20 PM

Profedius: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.

I will eat out what is hold it.

I can not comment on if this was a good thing or bad thing since I do not know if this was a case of a willing 14 year old or a forced 14 year old. My thoughts are it is a force 14 year old since it was the back door, but it could be a matter of not wanting to get pregnant and he had already taken care of her orally.


You are not familiar with the legal definition of sodomy, I see.
 
2013-07-03 12:45:17 PM

AndreMA: /Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?


Ever since they started posting lots of serious news stories on the Main Page, FARK has lost its edgeiness.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 12:46:57 PM

AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?


You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".
 
2013-07-03 12:58:55 PM

Great Janitor: As for prisoners not telling other inmates, that already happens. Prison Guards can not tell fellow prisoners what inmates are in for. But, prisoners are allowed magazines, radios, televisions, contact with family and friends, and that's how prisoners find out what others are convicted of, aside from the prisoner just telling. This guy's name popping up in the news is what would have doomed him to prison justice.


I was throwing out ideas; thanks for poking holes in them. I guess the issue you raise could be alleviated in large measure by permitting prisoners to choose pseudonyms upon incarceration, but that seems unlikely to fly ("you're giving them aliases? are you insane?")
 
2013-07-03 12:58:57 PM
Well, what did they think he was Goering to do after his conviction?
 
2013-07-03 01:01:04 PM

Seat's Taken: You are full of it, man. You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag. And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".


See my other posts in this thread. At least twice people have pointed out flaws in my ideas and I've acknowledged them and thanked them.

You seem to have a strange definition of 'the type who is "never wrong"'
 
2013-07-03 01:02:47 PM

the_rev: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.


You aren't allowed to point out the reality that males and females have inherently differences, though occasionally you're allowed to discuss individual variation, just so long at it never points back to the former.
 
2013-07-03 01:04:19 PM

Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".


Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.
 
2013-07-03 01:10:23 PM

elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.


Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.
 
2013-07-03 01:10:34 PM

the_rev: Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"


You ever stuck your dick in crazy?

Because they have.
 
2013-07-03 01:12:32 PM
"French fries".
 
2013-07-03 01:15:04 PM
To reiterate and simplify, sodomy is anything that isn't plain old vanilla missionary style banging. You're welcome.
 
2013-07-03 01:15:49 PM

This text is now purple: the_rev: Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

You ever stuck your dick in crazy?

Because they have.


I imagine that the dwindling minority that feels sex should be reserved for marriage might feel that the loss of their virginity was "damage" as well.
 
2013-07-03 01:17:50 PM

FlashHarry: markie_farkie:So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.

you'll be dead in thirty seconds or it's free!


Killerpills.com - quality suicide methods you can count on!
 
2013-07-03 01:20:45 PM

AndreMA: elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.

Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.


So you either:

A) Made a Rape joke
B) Wished Rape on someone else

Google "Hypocrisy" before you speak again.
 
2013-07-03 01:22:33 PM
Actually, don't google.  You've already proven that it's possible to make fun of rape or wish it on someone else, negating your argument entirely.  So just STOP TALKING.
 
2013-07-03 01:23:57 PM

ph0rk: ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.

Aha:

"Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person"." Link


So... tittyfarking and footjobs are still okay. *whew*

/I was asking for a friend...
 
2013-07-03 01:32:26 PM

Aarontology: Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


1. You mean pædophilia, not pœdophilia.

2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.
 
2013-07-03 01:33:19 PM

perigee: I like the fact that this puzzles Darrin, as if he were genuinely disturbed that God doesn't insta-smite everyone after the guilty verdict.


I read it as more that being convicted is a stressful point; if you're going to drop dead of a heart attack or something, that would be a logical point(other possibilities include when you're arrested, formally charged, etc...)

It's also the most logical point for 'I'm not going to prison!' suicidal types.  Despite this it's uncommon.
 
2013-07-03 01:48:14 PM

elchupacabra: AndreMA: elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.

Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.

So you either:

A) Made a Rape joke
B) Wished Rape on someone else

Google "Hypocrisy" before you speak again.


I did neither.

A) I was responding to two images that were rape jokes by making a non-joke that was not so much about rape, but about the poster of the images, trying to encourage them to picture how un-funny rape actually is by putting themselves in the receiving end. It was based on a humorous cliche (Carnac) but not in itself humorous. I'm not going to bother going back to see where the context was lost; I myself sometimes don't quote in totality.

B) I no more wished rape on the image poster (who doesn't seem to have the stick up his ass that you do) than Carnac actually wished camel fleas on anyone.

If you're unable to grasp that sometimes things have multiple levels, and that you might not immediately understand all of them (either through your fault or mine), there's an "ignore" function which is easy to access.

Thanks for not making me have to point out that hyperbole and humorous cliche are not mutually exclusive, though; I was expecting that I'd need to.
I see no point to further discussion. Good day.
 
2013-07-03 01:54:23 PM
AndreMA: I see no point to further discussion. Good day.

Agreed.  Your assertion that there are subjects that can not be made the subject of humor has been proven false, ironically by your own words.  That's all I wanted to assert.  Good Day.
 
2013-07-03 01:55:41 PM

Great Janitor: The One True TheDavid: Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.

Accidents happen.


Do you have any idea how hard it is to clean nose-hair filtered coffee off a laptop keyboard? YUCK.
 
2013-07-03 01:57:54 PM

lack of warmth: browneye:

If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.

It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison


Does anybody really advertise to pimp out their real 5 year old or are they all cops or cop-helpers? Jeez, what a dummy. A federal prosecutor should know better than that at least.

If anybody claiming to be 17 years, 11 months and 3 weeks old sent me a BIE and an RSVP my reply would be "Hello officer! So you've solved all the murders, robberies and rapes in your jurisdiction, I take it?"

I'd want to see clear and legible scans of an officially issued photo ID, a Social Security card, and a bill or official letter sent to you at the address on the ID before I'll conduct any correspondance rated higher than G. And get them suckers notarized.

...Well, I'm waiting...


*crickets*
 
2013-07-03 02:00:22 PM
Sgt. Nancy van Rooy disagrees with the account of the parents/kids and subby's headline. Since the police generally have no problem shrugging and saying "just enforcing the law..." and since no cops appear to be in danger of a lawsuit, disciplinary action, or prosecution here, I tend to believe the cops in this case.
 
2013-07-03 02:01:54 PM

AndreMA: Sgt. Nancy van Rooy disagrees with the account of the parents/kids and subby's headline. Since the police generally have no problem shrugging and saying "just enforcing the law..." and since no cops appear to be in danger of a lawsuit, disciplinary action, or prosecution here, I tend to believe the cops in this case.


Damnit, wrong thread.
 
2013-07-03 02:03:13 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

Mail order. You can get anything mail-order.


I always try to find Iocane powder, but they are always sold out.
 
2013-07-03 02:03:48 PM

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Not me. I don't own a decent shovel.
 
2013-07-03 02:07:19 PM

R.A.Danny: NewportBarGuy: Have you met my wife, Svetlana?

Better check your purchase, they sent me Stevelana last time.


Show me the CoontFax!
 
2013-07-03 02:14:34 PM

poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.


Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.
 
2013-07-03 02:23:52 PM
Should be a mandetory option.
 
2013-07-03 02:30:58 PM

highendmighty: And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.


It IS  abuse-abuse to have sex with a willing post-pubertal, pre-adult person if there is a clear power disparity between the participants: teacher-on-student, caretaker-on-ward, 48-year-old on 14-year-old, etc.  The teenager is not able to give full informed consent in such circumstances.

BTW, the next time you vacation in Great Britain be sure to make a stop in Caretaker-on-Ward.  Lovely little village.
 
2013-07-03 02:32:56 PM

The One True TheDavid: lack of warmth: browneye:

If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.

It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison

Does anybody really advertise to pimp out their real 5 year old or are they all cops or cop-helpers? Jeez, what a dummy. A federal prosecutor should know better than that at least.

If anybody claiming to be 17 years, 11 months and 3 weeks old sent me a BIE and an RSVP my reply would be "Hello officer! So you've solved all the murders, robberies and rapes in your jurisdiction, I take it?"

I'd want to see clear and legible scans of an officially issued photo ID, a Social Security card, and a bill or official letter sent to you at the address on the ID before I'll conduct any correspondance rated higher than G. And get them suckers notarized.

...Well, I'm waiting...


*crickets*


The case I was referring to was one of several linked by an investigation starting with a woman who was actually trying to pimp her children.  She herself was a hooker and thought the kids should pitch in.  The case against her directly, involved her telling an undercover officer that if the five yro wouldn't cooperate then the mom would hold the girl down for him.  After her arrest the detectives involved did something smart and used her computer persona to catch a few other potential perverts.  I am not sure how many they caught in total, but John Atchison's arrest and later demise was all over our local news.  They never said they used her site, but it doesn't take much to realize her and John's arrest isn't just coincidence being only two months apart.  I don't think they were concerned about revealing their hand towards suspects, since the guys they were arresting all traveled in from other states.  I think they were more worried about folks getting all butt hurt about them using the small kids as bait.  No one got butt hurt over Atchison's death.  So yes, online soliciting five year olds is an all too real of a thing.
 
2013-07-03 02:33:33 PM

Poowaddins: ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.


I don't think that's still true, because I read that the 50th State to get rid of spouse exceptions in their rape laws was my home State of NC. In 1993.

I use that as a talking point in gay marriage arguments; IMO criminalizing marital rape is a bigger change to the "institution of marriage" than either gay or interracial marriage.
 
2013-07-03 02:42:38 PM

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


It should be legal to buy cyanide pills. It's not like they're gel caps or something. It's just poison in glass.
 
2013-07-03 03:39:25 PM

highendmighty: poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.

Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.


I would hope that, at least, you assume it's consensual.
 
2013-07-03 03:45:46 PM
And after his fellow prison inmates had planed an extra special welcome for him.
 
2013-07-03 03:55:15 PM

poot_rootbeer: Aarontology: Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.

1. You mean pædophilia, not pœdophilia.

2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.


Ephebephoebephilia?

i.wp.pl
/It's not dirty because she's older than me.
 
2013-07-03 03:58:20 PM

vygramul: highendmighty: poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.

Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.

I would hope that, at least, you assume it's consensual.


At least...  My post wasn't at all written in earnest.
 
2013-07-03 04:03:05 PM
hmm to bad he couldn't have done that BEFORE he sodomized the girl.
or
before the trial, so she wouldn't have to relive the experience

Frankly this was too good for him
can we desecrate his corpse in some way?
 
2013-07-03 04:29:05 PM
He took the cowardly, easy way out. I'd want him in general population. Not that I condone constant and violent prison rape in all his bodily orifices... but if it happened, it happened.
 
2013-07-03 04:36:43 PM
Well he was smart. Instead of having to suffer in jail and being butt raped, he simply ended it all and went to the "afterlife" if there is one. He practically ruined his future anyway by raping a girl and getting caught.
 
2013-07-03 04:37:19 PM

mbillips: Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.

Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.


Go on....
 
2013-07-03 04:51:30 PM
This death is straight out of a James Bond movie or something.
 
2013-07-03 05:10:34 PM
There's a possibility here.  What if for certain crimes, defendants were given suicide pills that they could take immediately after they were found guilty, and the judge ordered their sentence?

It would save a ton of money.
 
2013-07-03 06:08:26 PM
Does anyone have Roman Polanski's address?
 
2013-07-03 06:12:26 PM

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


Agreed.
 
2013-07-03 08:39:48 PM
it's better to burn out than to fade away
 
2013-07-03 09:39:08 PM
lack of warmth:

So yes, online soliciting five year olds is an all too real of a thing.

Yuck. Some things are too extreme even for me. Even when not sober.
 
2013-07-03 09:43:09 PM
Poowaddins:

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Pegging. (Wikipedia link with possibly NSFW artwork.) As to how to subdue him, women can point guns too.
 
2013-07-03 09:43:24 PM

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


He would have saved us more if he had done it when he was charged.

Or you know, if maybe he never committed the crime in the first place.
 
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