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(Huffington Post)   Moments after being convicted of sodomizing a 14-year-old girl, a Missouri man said, "fark it," and popped a cyanide capsule in court   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 250
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2013-07-03 11:44:18 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: mbillips: Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.

This

Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


A doctor is examining his female patient. He uses his stethoscope to check her heart and he says, "Nice big breaths..."  The girl says, "Yeth! And I'm not even thixteen yet!!!"
 
2013-07-03 11:45:03 AM  
how about this: upon being found guilty, defendant gets the pill option. immediately after death, family members of the victim get the kick-the-corpse and stop-on-its-face option.
 
2013-07-03 11:45:06 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


What the other folks said, plus - welcome to Fark!
 
2013-07-03 11:45:50 AM  

ph0rk: Mikey1969: Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.

All those years? His sentence could have only been 7 years, max. Do you expect he would have served them all?

I imagine if they could have made a rape charge stick they would have prosecuted him for one.


So? Death as opposed to 7 years? Sounds like a win/win. And yeah, some people serve their full term, or everyone knows going in exactly how long they will serve. Example: The guy who killed my mother got 7 years, and I knew that from the beginning, and knew when he was going to be out. It was set in stone and never changed, and that was just for manslaughter.
 
2013-07-03 11:47:19 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.



www.tshirthell.com

denton.smugmug.com
 
2013-07-03 11:51:48 AM  

Dreamless: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

That pretty much tells me all I need to know about how you view women.


Just keep sucking
 
2013-07-03 11:55:57 AM  

Lexx: corronchilejano: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not if she was sodomizing him.

You realize that oral sex is technically sodomy, right?


Or they were listening to some Steely Dan, like say, "Peg."
 
PJ-
2013-07-03 11:56:18 AM  
I've never understood why capital punishment is not acceptable these days.  Last I heard it was too inhumane to kill someone for crimes they committed, to which I ask, it's more humane to lock them up in a small cage, surrounded by other animals looking to stab/rape/extort you?  Hm, interesting what humane is considered these days.

I say the same thing about suicide.  Sure, it hurts people around you, but in all honesty, it's my life, if I chose to end it at 40, what's it to you?  Right, you can decide if I want to live, and if I want to end my life early, you will once again stick me in a cage surrounded by people who want to stab/rape/extort me.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:54 AM  
I HAVE JUST POURED PART OF A CAN OF SODA DOWN MY BACK WHILE TRYING TO DRINK IT AGH COLD WET CLINGING TO SHIRT
 
2013-07-03 12:00:35 PM  
oh fark this is not my facebook wall
 
2013-07-03 12:01:44 PM  
i.imgur.com

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:56 PM  

PJ-: I've never understood why capital punishment is not acceptable these days.  Last I heard it was too inhumane to kill someone for crimes they committed, to which I ask, it's more humane to lock them up in a small cage, surrounded by other animals looking to stab/rape/extort you?  Hm, interesting what humane is considered these days.


Neither is humane, but you can be let out of a cage.
 
2013-07-03 12:03:16 PM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.


The girl and the burger or just the girl?
 
2013-07-03 12:04:25 PM  

AndreMA: Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny

Stealing from George Carlin... not so funny.

Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..."  That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system.  We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Both of which aren't true.  More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury.  The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.


I view prison safety as an almost impossibility.  If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates?  Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper?  Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of justice.  I think that is expecting the impossible from the state.  I view what happens in a prison not much differently than any other dangerous environment.  If I go fishing in a river in South Carolina and get bitten by a water moccasin, is it's the state's fault because I was bitten by a snake in their river?  Or is it a risk I accept by entering a dangerous environment?  Yes, in the example I knowingly and willfully entered that environment, but when someone kills another in cold blood, they are, to an extent, also willingly entering a dangerous environment by killing another in cold blood.

I get that there are prison guards and they are there as much to keep the prisoners in as much as they are to keep the inmates safe.  But they are not and can not be an omni-present force.  They stamp out what they can, react accordingly, and that's one of the problems is that they are mostly if not almost entirely reactionary.  Plus, how do you protect in a society like prison where witnesses and those who knows what about to happen know that they'll also be at risk of the next attack?
 
2013-07-03 12:04:37 PM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


i.imgur.com

Not unless it's a mime.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:36 PM  

Gosling


I HAVE JUST POURED PART OF A CAN OF SODA DOWN MY BACK WHILE TRYING TO DRINK IT AGH COLD WET CLINGING TO SHIRT


HA HA YOU HAVE A DRINKING PROBLEM
 
2013-07-03 12:07:08 PM  

Great Janitor: I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of justice.  I think that is expecting the impossible from the state.


That is patently absurd. We have maximum security and solitary confinement - the only reason we have communal showers, mess halls, etc, is because it is cheaper.

What would also be cheaper would be limiting those sent to prisons to only those that society absolutely requires be kept there.
 
2013-07-03 12:07:31 PM  
It's too bad this wasn't routine in cases like this. You give the defendant the choice. Live out your life in prison, or here, swallow this goodbye, good ridance. Imagine the money saved, and the scum removed from the planet.
 
2013-07-03 12:08:27 PM  
this should be an option that we should have for all criminal cases, if convicted while in open court you have the choice life in prison or the black capsule.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:08 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


Sure it happens, although one possible explanation is that she WAS 24 or whatever, and she just wanted to make sure you didn't get clingy. Now THAT would be a CSB, although she'd have to be the one telling it.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:41 PM  

Great Janitor: I get that there are prison guards and they are there as much to keep the prisoners in as much as they are to keep the inmates safe. But they are not and can not be an omni-present force.


Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:55 PM  

ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]


May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:24 PM  

Evil Mackerel: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.

The girl and the burger or just the girl?


Go for broke, cowboy.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:51 PM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.




I will eat out what is hold it.

I can not comment on if this was a good thing or bad thing since I do not know if this was a case of a willing 14 year old or a forced 14 year old. My thoughts are it is a force 14 year old since it was the back door, but it could be a matter of not wanting to get pregnant and he had already taken care of her orally.
 
2013-07-03 12:14:23 PM  

corronchilejano: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not if she was sodomizing him.


Then we'd ask for pictures.
 
2013-07-03 12:16:44 PM  
On a more serious note, this is probably the worst possible thing he could have done to the victim at this point.

Look at it from her perspective. You've gone through, what, six months of nonstop public discussion about the sex that happened to you, with tons of complete strangers asking you questions about how it happened, and was it maybe kind of your idea, and have you maybe done this with boys your own age too, and what was it that made him think he could get away with this with you, and now please tell us in excruciating detail every single thing that went down with his penis, etc. etc. On top of that, every five minutes someone is reminding you that this is VERY SERIOUS because a man's life hangs in the balance, and are you  absolutely sure about everything you just said, and so forth.

So somehow you find the courage to actually see the process through, when what you'd really rather do is say "you know what, forget it, I don't need closure on this, let's just forget this ever happened, I'll just build up some psychic scar tissue and move on." And then this guy, who has not only raped you but put you through all this excruciating post-rape examination of your rape, kills himself as one final twist of the knife.

I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.
 
2013-07-03 12:17:10 PM  
Considering what they would have done to him in prison, that was probably the smart move.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:12 PM  
semiotix:
I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.

I doubt that was his goal, or entered into his mind at all.  It was likely a purely selfish move.  With callous disregard for how it may mess the kid up, of course.
 
2013-07-03 12:20:32 PM  

semiotix: Sure it happens, although one possible explanation is that she WAS 24 or whatever, and she just wanted to make sure you didn't get clingy. Now THAT would be a CSB, although she'd have to be the one telling it.


*mindblown
 
2013-07-03 12:20:54 PM  

semiotix: On a more serious note, this is probably the worst possible thing he could have done to the victim at this point.

Look at it from her perspective. You've gone through, what, six months of nonstop public discussion about the sex that happened to you, with tons of complete strangers asking you questions about how it happened, and was it maybe kind of your idea, and have you maybe done this with boys your own age too, and what was it that made him think he could get away with this with you, and now please tell us in excruciating detail every single thing that went down with his penis, etc. etc. On top of that, every five minutes someone is reminding you that this is VERY SERIOUS because a man's life hangs in the balance, and are you  absolutely sure about everything you just said, and so forth.

So somehow you find the courage to actually see the process through, when what you'd really rather do is say "you know what, forget it, I don't need closure on this, let's just forget this ever happened, I'll just build up some psychic scar tissue and move on." And then this guy, who has not only raped you but put you through all this excruciating post-rape examination of your rape, kills himself as one final twist of the knife.

I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.


Missouri has some rather harsh penalties for statutory rape, but intercourse must have happened for it to apply. This wasn't a rape case, ergo...
 
2013-07-03 12:21:39 PM  

AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.


Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!
 
2013-07-03 12:22:41 PM  
Actually, it looks like even if it were a rape case the sentence maximum would still be 7 years. That said, I can't imagine the media wouldn't be using the word rape if it were a rape case.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:38 PM  

Flakeloaf: Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.


Finite, yes. Small, no. And in the US, that large finite number is often much greater than the number the prison was designed to safely hold.

I'm not agreeing with anyone who shrugs their shoulders at prison violence--just saying it's not a simple problem, especially considering the limited resources available for making things better for prisoners.
 
2013-07-03 12:26:53 PM  

wambu: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

[i.imgur.com image 453x604]

Not unless it's a mime.

www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:26:54 PM  

Great Janitor: Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison. That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..." That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system. We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Both of which aren't true. More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury. The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.

I view prison safety as an almost impossibility. If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates? Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper? Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of ...


Thanks for discussing it rationally, unlike some who are now ignored with a "Rape Apologist" notation.

Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

As to segregation to prevent racial violence, I'd be in favor of that for those who've displayed a history of racial violence either in prison or before (another qualifier the guards can know about)

The prevalence of contraband drugs and cellphones inside prisons suggests to me that much more can be done to ensure safety... both for prisoners and guards.
---
* hey, if DoD can instruct its personnel to not read newspaper articles that contain classified information that's been leaked, prisons can restrict guards from researching prisoners
 
2013-07-03 12:27:29 PM  

nekom: I doubt that was his goal, or entered into his mind at all.  It was likely a purely selfish move.  With callous disregard for how it may mess the kid up, of course.


You're probably right, but yeah, it kind of doesn't matter.
 
2013-07-03 12:27:50 PM  

semiotix: Flakeloaf: Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.

Finite, yes. Small, no. And in the US, that large finite number is often much greater than the number the prison was designed to safely hold.

I'm not agreeing with anyone who shrugs their shoulders at prison violence--just saying it's not a simple problem, especially considering the limited resources available for making things better for prisoners.


Given that the US prison population dwarfs those of other nations (proportionally) and we consider ourselves the leaders of the free world, inhumane treatment of prisoners is inexcusable.

It isn't like we don't have the money.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:23 PM  
Death is the only true freedom.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:48 PM  

Precision Boobery: "Sodomizing" is so non-specific.  Can't we have separate words for oral and anal?  How are we supposed to get our dose of fap imagery outrage from these daily, descriptive sex-crime reports if we don't even know what was done?


Valid point, although it does indicate penitration of some kind.

No loss.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:03 PM  

elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!


hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?
 
2013-07-03 12:30:06 PM  

AndreMA: Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".


Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:06 PM  

ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.


Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.
 
2013-07-03 12:32:21 PM  

namegoeshere: AndreMA: Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.


That's a very valid point.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:07 PM  

Poowaddins: Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).


Bit of a tangent, but continuing any sexual contact after one party says "stop" is rape, isn't it (In common usage, not in MO)? Women can rape men just fine, and dude has to sleep sometime.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:51 PM  
We should give this option to all criminals.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:55 PM  

Thisbymaster: We should give this option to all criminals.


Certianly, however if they take it and are later exonerated expect that their family sues the bejesus out of the state (and wins).
 
2013-07-03 12:37:20 PM  
f*ck you, f*ck you, you're cool...
 
2013-07-03 12:37:58 PM  

Poowaddins: ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.


I hope that that's one of those archaic laws that is never paid any attention to.

I'd love to see legislatures (Federal and State) required to repeal one law for each one they pass in order to weed out that garbage...
 
2013-07-03 12:40:48 PM  

namegoeshere: Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.


Agreed. You have your papers with you and one of the first things the other prisoners do is ask to see them. It's all going to be right there in the documentation.

The thing about improving prison conditions is that too many people just... aren't interested in doing that. Not in the sense that it's low on their priority list, but in the sense that they actively do not want to do it. The whole 'tough on crime' mentality has given itself over to a 'once a criminal always a criminal' way of thinking, with the result that rehabilitation is seen as useless and a waste of taxpayer money. The mentality is just punishment, punishment, punishment, and no matter how many statistics you supply that rehabilitation reduces recidivism, the response will always come back that either 'it won't scale up to a country as big as the US' or, more troubling, 'the death penalty has a 0% recidivism rate'.
 
2013-07-03 12:42:44 PM  

AndreMA: Great Janitor: Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison. That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..." That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system. We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Both of which aren't true. More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury. The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.

I view prison safety as an almost impossibility. If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates? Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper? Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a ...



Thanks for discussing it rationally, unlike some who are now ignored with a "Rape Apologist" notation.

Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

As to segregation to prevent racial violence, I'd be in favor of that for those who've displayed a history of racial violence either in prison or before (another qualifier the guards can know about)

The prevalence of contraband drugs and cellphones inside prisons suggests to me that much more can be done to ensure safety... both for prisoners and guards.
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* hey, if DoD can instruct its personnel to not read newspaper articles that contain classified information that's been leaked, prisons can restrict guards from researching prisoners


You're welcome.

As for prisoners not telling other inmates, that already happens.  Prison Guards can not tell fellow prisoners what inmates are in for.  But, prisoners are allowed magazines, radios, televisions, contact with family and friends, and that's how prisoners find out what others are convicted of, aside from the prisoner just telling.  This guy's name popping up in the news is what would have doomed him to prison justice.
 
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