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2013-07-03 11:15:46 AM

Mikey1969: Sorry, dead is dead. Jesus, some people really are never happy. Fark it, it's over, the dude died for his crime, even if it was self inflicted. Move on.


When it's child molestation, some people are only happy with fates worse than death. Hell, we encourage that kind of thinking in our society.

'I would like to see someone subjected to [insert the sickest, cruelest, most depraved bout of prolonged human suffering you can possibly come up with] and record the screams for later playback.'
'WHAT? That is completely, totally reprehensible and I don't even think I can stand to look at you.'
'Oh, it's okay, it would happen to a child molester.'
'YEAAAAAAH! High five, man!'
 
2013-07-03 11:16:01 AM

the_rev: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.


I dunno; every guy I've ever met who had sex really young was an asshole to women and couldn't form lasting relationships. You get treated like meat, you tend to give it back.

/Or maybe the kind of guy in his early teens who is attractive to older women is a jerk to start with, and that's what they like.
 
2013-07-03 11:16:30 AM

Mikey1969: James!: I really don't have a problem with that.

Yeah, but is the family of the girl going to start biatching now? I never understand people who have a problem with the defendant dying before sitting in prison. To me, dead is dead, and the guy is done committing crimes, I get no joy out of incarcerated people. I get no joy out of people getting the death penalty either, so there's that...


I'm more or less with you on this. When the death penalty is used, it shouldn't be considered a thing to glorify and celebrate: do it quickly and cleanly, with a minimum of fuss, observe that it's a shame things came to that, and move on. The perpetrator doesn't deserve any more glory than that, and adding needless celebratory rigamarole is just a waste.

There are times when even I would say that this produces suboptimal results: when the perpetrator doesn't really face appropriate justice, and winds up beyond the reach of those we trust to mete it out. The same goes for cases like TFA's. But ultimately, it still gets the final job done, and so it's not worth worrying about overmuch. Maybe a quick "darn; he got away" might be warranted, but nothing more than that. His story is over, and that's what matters most.
 
2013-07-03 11:17:20 AM

Keyser_Soze_Death: Thus, saving the taxpayers in his state approx $45K annually.

Well done (dead) sir!


Leonard Lake did this. His partner in depraved crimes, Charles Ng, ended up having the most expensive prosecution in the history of the state of California.
 
2013-07-03 11:18:53 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: mbillips: Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.

This

Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


Not the kind of thing you announce to the world, yo.

//age of consent in Canada is universally 16.  Thank God.
 
2013-07-03 11:19:15 AM

xanadian: FlashHarry: and nothing of value was lost.

Came here to say that.


Thirded. I'll even say "thanks pedo-monster".
 
2013-07-03 11:19:19 AM
If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:32 AM
He should have been forced to take it suppository style.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:40 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: So it does happen


Why don't you have a seat over here while I get you some sweet tea
 
2013-07-03 11:20:42 AM
Minor buttseckz: its worth it
 
2013-07-03 11:21:14 AM

angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.


"hey, that wasn't viagraaaaaghghhhhhhgllllhgh"
 
2013-07-03 11:23:43 AM
www.wtsp.com
 
2013-07-03 11:26:07 AM

DonkeyDixon: Why don't you have a seat over here while I get you some sweet tea


Lexx: Not the kind of thing you announce to the world, yo.

//age of consent in Canada is universally 16. Thank God.


Ohhh look chocolate chip cookies
 
2013-07-03 11:28:04 AM

TommyJReed: This happened about a year ago in Arizona.
I wonder if we have a new trend forming.


Wall Street traders, and pedos. I like this trend.
 
2013-07-03 11:28:22 AM

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.  That's funny
 
2013-07-03 11:29:10 AM

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


If a 14 year old of normal intelligence consents then the 14 year old's sex shouldn't matter, nor does the sex of the older person. (Note that I'm in favor of changing the age of consent laws, not performing UFIA on 5 year olds.)

And, again, a "pedophile" is someone who prefers sex with PRE-pubescent children. (Unlike me: I prefer my women to be around 25.)

Carth: Everyone who is convicted of a crime with a prison sentence of longer than 10 years should be given the open of popping a cyanide pill if they want.

The state doesn't have to pay to jail them and they don't have to languish in prison.


Agreed, though I wouldn't restrict it to longer than 10 years. And cyanide is actually very painful; there are better ways. I suggest peaceful voluntary euthanasia like "going home" in Soylent Green.

And people who get tired of being disgusted because hoi polloi can't learn to use a simple word like "pedophile" correctly should also be offered that option.

(No links this time: you farkers should me bright enough to look shiat up yourself.)
 
2013-07-03 11:29:11 AM
 
2013-07-03 11:29:26 AM
That should be an option in every felony conviction.

Door #1: Life in prison
Door #2: Death sentence
Door #3: DIY right here, right now. We'll even provide the cup of water and the adult diaper.
 
2013-07-03 11:30:42 AM

The One True TheDavid: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

If a 14 year old of normal intelligence consents then the 14 year old's sex shouldn't matter, nor does the sex of the older person. (Note that I'm in favor of changing the age of consent laws, not performing UFIA on 5 year olds.)

And, again, a "pedophile" is someone who prefers sex with PRE-pubescent children. (Unlike me: I prefer my women to be around 25.)

Carth: Everyone who is convicted of a crime with a prison sentence of longer than 10 years should be given the open of popping a cyanide pill if they want.

The state doesn't have to pay to jail them and they don't have to languish in prison.

Agreed, though I wouldn't restrict it to longer than 10 years. And cyanide is actually very painful; there are better ways. I suggest peaceful voluntary euthanasia like "going home" in Soylent Green.

And people who get tired of being disgusted because hoi polloi can't learn to use a simple word like "pedophile" correctly should also be offered that option.

(No links this time: you farkers should me bright enough to look shiat up yourself.)


I didn't know that about cyanide. I'm guessing hemlock is painful too?  But yea, let people who want to off themselves do so.
 
2013-07-03 11:30:42 AM

angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.


I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.
 
2013-07-03 11:31:17 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny


Carlin Five!
 
2013-07-03 11:31:48 AM

Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.


It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.
 
2013-07-03 11:32:09 AM
While I'm OK with him eating a cyanide pill and killing himself, you know his family is going to sue the court/state for improperly searching him for any kind of harmful contraband prior to sitting in the defendant box.  They'll probably win a big settlement.
 
2013-07-03 11:32:24 AM
His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"
 
2013-07-03 11:32:54 AM

ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.


Aha:

"Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person"." Link
 
2013-07-03 11:33:00 AM

ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.


7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.
 
2013-07-03 11:33:35 AM

Ambitwistor: His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"


I heart that movie.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:01 AM
just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:24 AM

FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.


In Missouri it includes handjobs.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:39 AM

namegoeshere: Ambitwistor: His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"

I heart that movie.


me too.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:51 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.


Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.
 
2013-07-03 11:35:35 AM

ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.


What about masturbation?
 
2013-07-03 11:35:55 AM
Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:08 AM

PizzaJedi81: ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.

What about masturbation?


Nope.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:24 AM

ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.


It's defined as "deviate sexual intercourse," whatever that means. I'm sure it's been defined in case law, but it's not spelled out in the code.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:55 AM

browneye: If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.


It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison
 
2013-07-03 11:38:16 AM
i305.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 11:38:17 AM

ph0rk: PizzaJedi81: ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.

What about masturbation?

Nope.


I could live in MO, then.
 
2013-07-03 11:38:35 AM

Millennium: Mikey1969: James!: I really don't have a problem with that.

Yeah, but is the family of the girl going to start biatching now? I never understand people who have a problem with the defendant dying before sitting in prison. To me, dead is dead, and the guy is done committing crimes, I get no joy out of incarcerated people. I get no joy out of people getting the death penalty either, so there's that...

I'm more or less with you on this. When the death penalty is used, it shouldn't be considered a thing to glorify and celebrate: do it quickly and cleanly, with a minimum of fuss, observe that it's a shame things came to that, and move on. The perpetrator doesn't deserve any more glory than that, and adding needless celebratory rigamarole is just a waste.

There are times when even I would say that this produces suboptimal results: when the perpetrator doesn't really face appropriate justice, and winds up beyond the reach of those we trust to mete it out. The same goes for cases like TFA's. But ultimately, it still gets the final job done, and so it's not worth worrying about overmuch. Maybe a quick "darn; he got away" might be warranted, but nothing more than that. His story is over, and that's what matters most.


Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.
 
2013-07-03 11:38:50 AM
I hope Ariel Castro is taking notes.
 
2013-07-03 11:39:03 AM
Nabb1:
I see your point, but if it were one of my little girls, seeing that piece of filth die horribly in the courtroom would be an acceptable consolation prize.  Not to mention, you never know what might have happened on appeal.

I suppose so.  I'm also the father of a young daughter, and like everyone else I have my own crazy revenge fantasies in store for anyone who so much as looks at her, but I suppose dead is good enough.  He won't molest any more children, so the safety aspect is covered.  It's just that if it were me, I'd want to see him suffer for many many years.
 
2013-07-03 11:40:21 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny


Stealing from George Carlin... not so funny.

Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..."  That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system.  We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Both of which aren't true.  More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury.  The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.


I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.
 
2013-07-03 11:40:23 AM

mbillips: It's defined as "deviate sexual intercourse," whatever that means. I'm sure it's been defined in case law, but it's not spelled out in the code.


IANAL (from MO or elsewhere), but the internets say:

Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person".

Missouri's sodomy law only penalizes non-consensual acts or underage "deviate sexual intercourse".

It is considered sexual misconduct (556.090) for a person to have "deviate sexual intercourse with another person of the same sex." This is a class A misdemeanor.

In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

There is no law prohibiting bestiality in Missouri because it was not deemed to be a serious enough offense to warrant a punishment.

"The Committee felt . . . that it is no longer necessary or desirable to proscribe criminally unnatural acts between humans and animals unless such acts are covered by disorderly conduct or similar statutes. (Kinsey's studies indicate that when such acts occur, they are usually brief, youthful 'experiments' rather than part of a pattern of conduct that either contributes to or constitutes a significant degeneration of the individual involved. Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, (1st ed. 1948) at 667-678.) Focusing public attention on the person who happens to be found in such an act serves no useful social purpose and may seriously impair the development of the accused to a normal life."
 
2013-07-03 11:40:56 AM

camelclub: While I'm OK with him eating a cyanide pill and killing himself, you know his family is going to sue the court/state for improperly searching him for any kind of harmful contraband prior to sitting in the defendant box.  They'll probably win a big settlement.


Make it legal to provide a cyanide pill to the convicted if they choose not to go to jail.  It will cut the lawsuits off at the knees.
 
2013-07-03 11:41:23 AM
So can courts set up a budget item for a few cyanide capsules (on a purely voluntary basis, of course) or should we start a private fund?
 
2013-07-03 11:41:39 AM

The One True TheDavid: Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.


Accidents happen.
 
2013-07-03 11:41:43 AM

Carth: Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.

Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.


And you know this is the case here because...?
 
2013-07-03 11:41:59 AM

R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.


That pretty much tells me all I need to know about how you view women.
 
2013-07-03 11:42:42 AM

Mikey1969: Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.


All those years? His sentence could have only been 7 years, max. Do you expect he would have served them all?

I imagine if they could have made a rape charge stick they would have prosecuted him for one.
 
2013-07-03 11:43:36 AM

KellyKellyKelly: Carth: Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.

Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.

And you know this is the case here because...?


I thought it was pretty obvious the was hypothetical. I apologize if there was any confusion.
 
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