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(Huffington Post)   Moments after being convicted of sodomizing a 14-year-old girl, a Missouri man said, "fark it," and popped a cyanide capsule in court   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-07-03 10:10:56 AM  
and nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:18 AM  
I really don't have a problem with that.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:00 AM  
How the f*ck did he get hold of one?
 
2013-07-03 10:16:06 AM  
At least he didn't blow his brains out and leave a huge mess for someone else to clean up, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:45 AM  
Nary a fark was given.
 
2013-07-03 10:18:17 AM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


Mail order. You can get anything mail-order.
 
2013-07-03 10:19:01 AM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


RTFA?  There's an imbedded link to another article.. He ordered some and had it overnighted to his work.

So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.
 
2013-07-03 10:22:33 AM  
markie_farkie:So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.

you'll be dead in thirty seconds or it's free!
 
2013-07-03 10:23:31 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

Mail order. You can get anything mail-order.


Have you met my wife, Svetlana?
 
2013-07-03 10:26:00 AM  
Saved us a lot of money.
 
2013-07-03 10:26:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Have you met my wife, Svetlana?


Better check your purchase, they sent me Stevelana last time.
 
2013-07-03 10:27:07 AM  

FlashHarry: and nothing of value was lost.


Came here to say that.
 
2013-07-03 10:27:58 AM  

markie_farkie: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

RTFA?  There's an imbedded link to another article.. He ordered some and had it overnighted to his work.

So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.


"What about poison pizza?"

"Ohhh no, I'm not making two stops."
 
2013-07-03 10:28:30 AM  
I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.
 
2013-07-03 10:29:20 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.
 
2013-07-03 10:30:45 AM  

R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.


Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.
 
2013-07-03 10:33:37 AM  

Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


We are.
 
2013-07-03 10:33:52 AM  
I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.
 
2013-07-03 10:35:56 AM  
Also, where in the hell does one acquire a cyanide pill anyway?
 
2013-07-03 10:41:19 AM  

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


and for some reason the other convicts are especially hard on child molesters.
 
2013-07-03 10:43:55 AM  

Torgo_of_Manos: nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.

and for some reason the other convicts are especially hard on child molesters.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-07-03 10:47:11 AM  
s.mcstatic.com
 
2013-07-03 10:48:40 AM  
Smart move on his part.  The only ones objecting are the ones that "want closure".

/Uhm, you just got it.
 
2013-07-03 10:49:03 AM  
Hero tag? This man just saved us all a lot of time and money.
 
2013-07-03 10:49:06 AM  
So the guy finally showed some consideration for others?
 
2013-07-03 10:49:20 AM  
Good!
 
2013-07-03 10:49:46 AM  
guess he didn't want to get sodomized himself.
 
2013-07-03 10:50:25 AM  
I'm OK with this. If only he'd done it before the trial, and saved the cost to the public. Or even better, before he attacked the girl.
 
2013-07-03 10:50:31 AM  
Everyone who is convicted of a crime with a prison sentence of longer than 10 years should be given the open of popping a cyanide pill if they want.

The state doesn't have to pay to jail them and they don't have to languish in prison.
 
2013-07-03 10:50:31 AM  
Doesn't matter, had sex.

/hell, heard that it is nice at this time of the year
 
2013-07-03 10:50:33 AM  

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


For reals.  I am opposed to the death penalty, but when a piece of shiat like this decides to exercise the "opt out" clause, I'm down with it.
 
2013-07-03 10:51:00 AM  
This should be an option at sentencing for all kiddie-diddlers.
 
2013-07-03 10:51:10 AM  

Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


is ephbophilia okay?
 
2013-07-03 10:51:19 AM  
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2013-07-03 10:51:35 AM  

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


I wouldn't picture you for a statist.
 
2013-07-03 10:52:24 AM  

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


You like the idea of covering this guy's living expenses?
 
2013-07-03 10:52:35 AM  
To all the pervs out there, please note that this is what we expect of you from now on.
 
2013-07-03 10:53:24 AM  

Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


Felcome to wark?
 
2013-07-03 10:53:40 AM  

xanadian: "What about poison pizza?"


Nah, I don't like DOmino's.
 
2013-07-03 10:53:43 AM  
github.com
 
2013-07-03 10:53:49 AM  
Awfully nice of that fellow to finish the job like that.  Hard to get that kind of customer service any more.
 
2013-07-03 10:54:02 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


We get it, you're terribly upset at not being able to bang 14 year olds. Why do people insist on making that kind of statement all the time?..
 
2013-07-03 10:54:19 AM  
Was it a suppository?
 
2013-07-03 10:54:23 AM  
what could go wrong??

l1.yimg.com
 
2013-07-03 10:54:26 AM  
something like this ?

/kinda creepy.
 
2013-07-03 10:54:57 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

Mail order. You can get anything mail-order.

Have you met my wife, Svetlana?


About two years ago when she was still Steve from Jersey.
 
2013-07-03 10:55:04 AM  
stevenbenjamin.weebly.com

Careful, it doesn't always work.
 
2013-07-03 10:55:13 AM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-03 10:55:21 AM  

Carth: nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.

I wouldn't picture you for a statist.


I'm not speaking to whether or not he should be allowed to (he wasn't) because obviously that's not important (he did).  I'm just saying a swift (maybe, depending on the pill) death is the easy way out.  Were I the victim or a relative I don't think I'd appreciate that.  It's all moot anyway, any capable adult can off themselves at any time if they are hell bent on it, that's just a fact of life.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:21 AM  

nekom: Were I the victim or a relative I don't think I'd appreciate that.


Especially since he chose it, not the state.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:29 AM  
This happened about a year ago in Arizona.
I wonder if we have a new trend forming.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:53 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.
 
2013-07-03 10:57:23 AM  
"It's not common to see someone just fall over dead in the courtroom even though they've just been found guilty of a crime," Sheriff Darrin White, who was in the courtroom when the verdict was read, told Fox4KC.

I like the fact that this puzzles Darrin, as if he were genuinely disturbed that God doesn't insta-smite everyone after the guilty verdict.
 
2013-07-03 10:57:33 AM  

nekom: Carth: nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.

I wouldn't picture you for a statist.

I'm not speaking to whether or not he should be allowed to (he wasn't) because obviously that's not important (he did).  I'm just saying a swift (maybe, depending on the pill) death is the easy way out.  Were I the victim or a relative I don't think I'd appreciate that.  It's all moot anyway, any capable adult can off themselves at any time if they are hell bent on it, that's just a fact of life.


I see your point, but if it were one of my little girls, seeing that piece of filth die horribly in the courtroom would be an acceptable consolation prize.  Not to mention, you never know what might have happened on appeal.
 
2013-07-03 10:57:36 AM  
Thus, saving the taxpayers in his state approx $45K annually.

Well done (dead) sir!
 
2013-07-03 10:57:58 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Not me.  I'm totally against sodomy.
 
2013-07-03 10:58:21 AM  
Well, I guess it's cheaper.
 
2013-07-03 10:58:41 AM  

ihatebuttsex: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not me.  I'm totally against sodomy.


"aptronym"
 
2013-07-03 10:58:57 AM  
And I hope this becomes a trend.
 
2013-07-03 10:59:58 AM  

ihatebuttsex: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not me.  I'm totally against sodomy.


That goes without saying
 
2013-07-03 11:00:15 AM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


They're next to the Mini-Altoids at convenience store counters.
 
2013-07-03 11:00:49 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: They're next to the Mini-Altoids at convenience store counters.


I'm not convinced they're not the same thing.
 
2013-07-03 11:01:25 AM  

James!: I really don't have a problem with that.


Yeah, but is the family of the girl going to start biatching now? I never understand people who have a problem with the defendant dying before sitting in prison. To me, dead is dead, and the guy is done committing crimes, I get no joy out of incarcerated people. I get no joy out of people getting the death penalty either, so there's that...
 
2013-07-03 11:02:06 AM  
"Sodomizing" is so non-specific.  Can't we have separate words for oral and anal?  How are we supposed to get our dose of fap imagery outrage from these daily, descriptive sex-crime reports if we don't even know what was done?
 
2013-07-03 11:02:21 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


The broad has the maturity and understanding of what getting the dick means.  A young girl not so much.

It's a double standard that causes nobody harm.  So go forth young penises and have at the older broads.  You'll be better off for it anyway.
 
2013-07-03 11:02:23 AM  
I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.
 
2013-07-03 11:03:09 AM  

Raging Thespian: [stevenbenjamin.weebly.com image 425x188]

Careful, it doesn't always work.


I didn't think it was possible for Javier Bardem to be any uglier than he already was.  I stand corrected.
 
2013-07-03 11:03:36 AM  

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


I can see Corrections Corporation of America lobbying Congress to outlaw Cyanid to prevent their profit centers from killing themselves.
 
2013-07-03 11:05:23 AM  
Parsons placed an overnight delivery of cyanide on June 25, authorities told the St Joseph Post.

The preliminary coroner's report "found evidence of cyanide poisoning," according to the Post.

The investigation is ongoing, but White told the Post he expected the final forensic report to confirm Parsons' death was a suicide.


Now, now - let's not jump to any conclusions.
 
2013-07-03 11:05:26 AM  

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


Sorry, dead is dead. Jesus, some people really are never happy. Fark it, it's over, the dude died for his crime, even if it was self inflicted. Move on.

BTW: A death penalty death is "swift" also. Probably actually better than popping a cyanide pill, since the first thing they do with lethal injection is give you something for the pain.
 
2013-07-03 11:05:54 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Not if she was sodomizing him.
 
2013-07-03 11:06:11 AM  
Nice! And he paid for the cyanide himself
 
2013-07-03 11:06:25 AM  
He ordered a big bucket of Astroglide at the same time in case the cyanide didn't arrive in time.
 
2013-07-03 11:06:43 AM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


my first thought.
 
2013-07-03 11:07:14 AM  
I see everything is covered.
 
2013-07-03 11:07:43 AM  
Cyanide's hella easy to make.  The world's 3rd most popular starch crop, cassava, contains the stuff naturally.
 
2013-07-03 11:08:22 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

They're next to the Mini-Altoids at convenience store counters.


aka Plan C pills
 
2013-07-03 11:08:38 AM  

corronchilejano: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not if she was sodomizing him.


You realize that oral sex is technically sodomy, right?
 
2013-07-03 11:08:42 AM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


I'm more along the lines of wondering who makes these things. Can't be very profitable when there's no repeat business.
 
2013-07-03 11:09:52 AM  
So you can order cyanide pills?  Is there any other use for a cyanide pill other than to kill yourself?


Just skirts all around those assisted suicide laws.
 
2013-07-03 11:09:53 AM  

Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.
 
2013-07-03 11:09:56 AM  
Well, he was no Carl Panzram...
 
2013-07-03 11:10:22 AM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2013-07-03 11:10:43 AM  
Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.
 
2013-07-03 11:11:02 AM  

the_rev: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.


I think the emotional damage is dependent on how the teacher looks.   Take the case of Debrah LaFave.   That poor kid is ruined for life.   He's never gonna have anything as fine as that again.
 
2013-07-03 11:11:10 AM  

Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


im just pro-hotteacherphilia.

/i also have chronic spellingphiliarightphilia.
 
2013-07-03 11:11:28 AM  
Worthless pussy.
 
2013-07-03 11:11:35 AM  
R.A.Danny:
NewportBarGuy: Have you met my wife, Svetlana?

Better check your purchase, they sent me Stevelana last time.


And you've been drinking vodak, watching movies with explosions, and doing unnecessary but cool projects with tools together ever since.  "Mail Order Bro". I am envious.
 
2013-07-03 11:11:54 AM  
I entered this thread with an inventory of 24 farks.  Upon leaving I remain with a full complement of the same 24.  Apparently, nary a fark was given!
 
2013-07-03 11:12:02 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..."  That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system.  We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Both of which aren't true.  More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury.  The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:02 AM  
Now that is how you make an exit!
 
2013-07-03 11:12:30 AM  
Selfish fark couldn't kill himself before the trial and spare the 14 year old the trauma of a court case?

angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.


Even better.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:50 AM  

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


Would have saved us even more if he had only taken the pill before sodomizing that girl.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:51 AM  
I wish the other pedophiles would follow his lead

/and all the other scum like them
//would save so much money
///no justice, I know, but I'm the bad guy for wanting that
 
2013-07-03 11:13:11 AM  

xanadian: markie_farkie: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

RTFA?  There's an imbedded link to another article.. He ordered some and had it overnighted to his work.

So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.

"What about poison pizza?"

"Ohhh no, I'm not making two stops."


+1 internets
 
2013-07-03 11:13:18 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Oh wow, nobody's ever pointed that out before.
 
2013-07-03 11:13:38 AM  
As a taxpayer of Missouri - I say 'Thanks, shiatbag!'

/Hope this turns into a trend.
//Kinda wished he'd still made it to Jeff City - knowing the 'welcome party' pervs get, he missed out on what he deserved.
 
2013-07-03 11:14:26 AM  

mbillips: Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.


This

Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen
 
2013-07-03 11:15:31 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

The broad has the maturity and understanding of what getting the dick means.  A young girl not so much.

It's a double standard that causes nobody harm.  So go forth young penises and have at the older broads.  You'll be better off for it anyway.


I mean, that's dumb logic, no offense. If the situation was reversed ONLY in that the sexes were reversed, the boy is "Fine" no problem?

A young girl doesn't have the maturity and understanding of what getting the dick means? But somehow the boy, who probably only just started getting wood, has the maturity and understanding of what giving the dick means?

You realize that women hit sexual maturity earlier than men, right?
 
2013-07-03 11:15:37 AM  

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


This.

I, for one, salute this small-government conservative for doing his part to close the budget deficit in his state.

maudibjr: So you can order cyanide pills?  Is there any other use for a cyanide pill other than to kill yourself?


You can order a lot of things that can kill you.  Poisons, for instance, are sold for pest control all the time on the assumption that you're not stupid enough to eat them (with a warning printed on the side that you shouldn't just in case).
 
2013-07-03 11:15:46 AM  

Mikey1969: Sorry, dead is dead. Jesus, some people really are never happy. Fark it, it's over, the dude died for his crime, even if it was self inflicted. Move on.


When it's child molestation, some people are only happy with fates worse than death. Hell, we encourage that kind of thinking in our society.

'I would like to see someone subjected to [insert the sickest, cruelest, most depraved bout of prolonged human suffering you can possibly come up with] and record the screams for later playback.'
'WHAT? That is completely, totally reprehensible and I don't even think I can stand to look at you.'
'Oh, it's okay, it would happen to a child molester.'
'YEAAAAAAH! High five, man!'
 
2013-07-03 11:16:01 AM  

the_rev: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.


I dunno; every guy I've ever met who had sex really young was an asshole to women and couldn't form lasting relationships. You get treated like meat, you tend to give it back.

/Or maybe the kind of guy in his early teens who is attractive to older women is a jerk to start with, and that's what they like.
 
2013-07-03 11:16:30 AM  

Mikey1969: James!: I really don't have a problem with that.

Yeah, but is the family of the girl going to start biatching now? I never understand people who have a problem with the defendant dying before sitting in prison. To me, dead is dead, and the guy is done committing crimes, I get no joy out of incarcerated people. I get no joy out of people getting the death penalty either, so there's that...


I'm more or less with you on this. When the death penalty is used, it shouldn't be considered a thing to glorify and celebrate: do it quickly and cleanly, with a minimum of fuss, observe that it's a shame things came to that, and move on. The perpetrator doesn't deserve any more glory than that, and adding needless celebratory rigamarole is just a waste.

There are times when even I would say that this produces suboptimal results: when the perpetrator doesn't really face appropriate justice, and winds up beyond the reach of those we trust to mete it out. The same goes for cases like TFA's. But ultimately, it still gets the final job done, and so it's not worth worrying about overmuch. Maybe a quick "darn; he got away" might be warranted, but nothing more than that. His story is over, and that's what matters most.
 
2013-07-03 11:17:20 AM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: Thus, saving the taxpayers in his state approx $45K annually.

Well done (dead) sir!


Leonard Lake did this. His partner in depraved crimes, Charles Ng, ended up having the most expensive prosecution in the history of the state of California.
 
2013-07-03 11:18:53 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: mbillips: Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.

This

Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


Not the kind of thing you announce to the world, yo.

//age of consent in Canada is universally 16.  Thank God.
 
2013-07-03 11:19:15 AM  

xanadian: FlashHarry: and nothing of value was lost.

Came here to say that.


Thirded. I'll even say "thanks pedo-monster".
 
2013-07-03 11:19:19 AM  
If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:32 AM  
He should have been forced to take it suppository style.
 
2013-07-03 11:20:40 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: So it does happen


Why don't you have a seat over here while I get you some sweet tea
 
2013-07-03 11:20:42 AM  
Minor buttseckz: its worth it
 
2013-07-03 11:21:14 AM  

angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.


"hey, that wasn't viagraaaaaghghhhhhhgllllhgh"
 
2013-07-03 11:23:43 AM  
www.wtsp.com
 
2013-07-03 11:26:07 AM  

DonkeyDixon: Why don't you have a seat over here while I get you some sweet tea


Lexx: Not the kind of thing you announce to the world, yo.

//age of consent in Canada is universally 16. Thank God.


Ohhh look chocolate chip cookies
 
2013-07-03 11:28:04 AM  

TommyJReed: This happened about a year ago in Arizona.
I wonder if we have a new trend forming.


Wall Street traders, and pedos. I like this trend.
 
2013-07-03 11:28:22 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.  That's funny
 
2013-07-03 11:29:10 AM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


If a 14 year old of normal intelligence consents then the 14 year old's sex shouldn't matter, nor does the sex of the older person. (Note that I'm in favor of changing the age of consent laws, not performing UFIA on 5 year olds.)

And, again, a "pedophile" is someone who prefers sex with PRE-pubescent children. (Unlike me: I prefer my women to be around 25.)

Carth: Everyone who is convicted of a crime with a prison sentence of longer than 10 years should be given the open of popping a cyanide pill if they want.

The state doesn't have to pay to jail them and they don't have to languish in prison.


Agreed, though I wouldn't restrict it to longer than 10 years. And cyanide is actually very painful; there are better ways. I suggest peaceful voluntary euthanasia like "going home" in Soylent Green.

And people who get tired of being disgusted because hoi polloi can't learn to use a simple word like "pedophile" correctly should also be offered that option.

(No links this time: you farkers should me bright enough to look shiat up yourself.)
 
2013-07-03 11:29:11 AM  
 
2013-07-03 11:29:26 AM  
That should be an option in every felony conviction.

Door #1: Life in prison
Door #2: Death sentence
Door #3: DIY right here, right now. We'll even provide the cup of water and the adult diaper.
 
2013-07-03 11:30:42 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

If a 14 year old of normal intelligence consents then the 14 year old's sex shouldn't matter, nor does the sex of the older person. (Note that I'm in favor of changing the age of consent laws, not performing UFIA on 5 year olds.)

And, again, a "pedophile" is someone who prefers sex with PRE-pubescent children. (Unlike me: I prefer my women to be around 25.)

Carth: Everyone who is convicted of a crime with a prison sentence of longer than 10 years should be given the open of popping a cyanide pill if they want.

The state doesn't have to pay to jail them and they don't have to languish in prison.

Agreed, though I wouldn't restrict it to longer than 10 years. And cyanide is actually very painful; there are better ways. I suggest peaceful voluntary euthanasia like "going home" in Soylent Green.

And people who get tired of being disgusted because hoi polloi can't learn to use a simple word like "pedophile" correctly should also be offered that option.

(No links this time: you farkers should me bright enough to look shiat up yourself.)


I didn't know that about cyanide. I'm guessing hemlock is painful too?  But yea, let people who want to off themselves do so.
 
2013-07-03 11:30:42 AM  

angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.


I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.
 
2013-07-03 11:31:17 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny


Carlin Five!
 
2013-07-03 11:31:48 AM  

Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.


It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.
 
2013-07-03 11:32:09 AM  
While I'm OK with him eating a cyanide pill and killing himself, you know his family is going to sue the court/state for improperly searching him for any kind of harmful contraband prior to sitting in the defendant box.  They'll probably win a big settlement.
 
2013-07-03 11:32:24 AM  
His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"
 
2013-07-03 11:32:54 AM  

ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.


Aha:

"Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person"." Link
 
2013-07-03 11:33:00 AM  

ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.


7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.
 
2013-07-03 11:33:35 AM  

Ambitwistor: His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"


I heart that movie.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:01 AM  
just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:24 AM  

FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.


In Missouri it includes handjobs.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:39 AM  

namegoeshere: Ambitwistor: His last words:  "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said ... I drank what?"

I heart that movie.


me too.
 
2013-07-03 11:34:51 AM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.


Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.
 
2013-07-03 11:35:35 AM  

ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.


What about masturbation?
 
2013-07-03 11:35:55 AM  
Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:08 AM  

PizzaJedi81: ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.

What about masturbation?


Nope.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:24 AM  

ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.


It's defined as "deviate sexual intercourse," whatever that means. I'm sure it's been defined in case law, but it's not spelled out in the code.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:55 AM  

browneye: If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.


It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison
 
2013-07-03 11:38:16 AM  
i305.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 11:38:17 AM  

ph0rk: PizzaJedi81: ph0rk: FlashHarry: just to be clear: the legal definition of "sodomy" can include oral sex.

In Missouri it includes handjobs.

What about masturbation?

Nope.


I could live in MO, then.
 
2013-07-03 11:38:35 AM  

Millennium: Mikey1969: James!: I really don't have a problem with that.

Yeah, but is the family of the girl going to start biatching now? I never understand people who have a problem with the defendant dying before sitting in prison. To me, dead is dead, and the guy is done committing crimes, I get no joy out of incarcerated people. I get no joy out of people getting the death penalty either, so there's that...

I'm more or less with you on this. When the death penalty is used, it shouldn't be considered a thing to glorify and celebrate: do it quickly and cleanly, with a minimum of fuss, observe that it's a shame things came to that, and move on. The perpetrator doesn't deserve any more glory than that, and adding needless celebratory rigamarole is just a waste.

There are times when even I would say that this produces suboptimal results: when the perpetrator doesn't really face appropriate justice, and winds up beyond the reach of those we trust to mete it out. The same goes for cases like TFA's. But ultimately, it still gets the final job done, and so it's not worth worrying about overmuch. Maybe a quick "darn; he got away" might be warranted, but nothing more than that. His story is over, and that's what matters most.


Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.
 
2013-07-03 11:38:50 AM  
I hope Ariel Castro is taking notes.
 
2013-07-03 11:39:03 AM  
Nabb1:
I see your point, but if it were one of my little girls, seeing that piece of filth die horribly in the courtroom would be an acceptable consolation prize.  Not to mention, you never know what might have happened on appeal.

I suppose so.  I'm also the father of a young daughter, and like everyone else I have my own crazy revenge fantasies in store for anyone who so much as looks at her, but I suppose dead is good enough.  He won't molest any more children, so the safety aspect is covered.  It's just that if it were me, I'd want to see him suffer for many many years.
 
2013-07-03 11:40:21 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny


Stealing from George Carlin... not so funny.

Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..."  That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system.  We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Both of which aren't true.  More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury.  The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.


I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.
 
2013-07-03 11:40:23 AM  

mbillips: It's defined as "deviate sexual intercourse," whatever that means. I'm sure it's been defined in case law, but it's not spelled out in the code.


IANAL (from MO or elsewhere), but the internets say:

Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person".

Missouri's sodomy law only penalizes non-consensual acts or underage "deviate sexual intercourse".

It is considered sexual misconduct (556.090) for a person to have "deviate sexual intercourse with another person of the same sex." This is a class A misdemeanor.

In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

There is no law prohibiting bestiality in Missouri because it was not deemed to be a serious enough offense to warrant a punishment.

"The Committee felt . . . that it is no longer necessary or desirable to proscribe criminally unnatural acts between humans and animals unless such acts are covered by disorderly conduct or similar statutes. (Kinsey's studies indicate that when such acts occur, they are usually brief, youthful 'experiments' rather than part of a pattern of conduct that either contributes to or constitutes a significant degeneration of the individual involved. Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, (1st ed. 1948) at 667-678.) Focusing public attention on the person who happens to be found in such an act serves no useful social purpose and may seriously impair the development of the accused to a normal life."
 
2013-07-03 11:40:56 AM  

camelclub: While I'm OK with him eating a cyanide pill and killing himself, you know his family is going to sue the court/state for improperly searching him for any kind of harmful contraband prior to sitting in the defendant box.  They'll probably win a big settlement.


Make it legal to provide a cyanide pill to the convicted if they choose not to go to jail.  It will cut the lawsuits off at the knees.
 
2013-07-03 11:41:23 AM  
So can courts set up a budget item for a few cyanide capsules (on a purely voluntary basis, of course) or should we start a private fund?
 
2013-07-03 11:41:39 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.


Accidents happen.
 
2013-07-03 11:41:43 AM  

Carth: Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.

Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.


And you know this is the case here because...?
 
2013-07-03 11:41:59 AM  

R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.


That pretty much tells me all I need to know about how you view women.
 
2013-07-03 11:42:42 AM  

Mikey1969: Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.


All those years? His sentence could have only been 7 years, max. Do you expect he would have served them all?

I imagine if they could have made a rape charge stick they would have prosecuted him for one.
 
2013-07-03 11:43:36 AM  

KellyKellyKelly: Carth: Inquisitive Inquisitor: ph0rk: "Man who poisoned himself with cyanide in courtroom faced max of 7 years"

Hrm, not entirely sure that was cyanide-worthy.

7 years in jail and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.  I'd kill myself to avoid that.  I'd also not rape someone to avoid it, so I have that going for me.

Yea, btu if you were falsely accused and convicted would you off yourself or hope to win on appeal.

And you know this is the case here because...?


I thought it was pretty obvious the was hypothetical. I apologize if there was any confusion.
 
2013-07-03 11:44:18 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: mbillips: Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.

This

Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


A doctor is examining his female patient. He uses his stethoscope to check her heart and he says, "Nice big breaths..."  The girl says, "Yeth! And I'm not even thixteen yet!!!"
 
2013-07-03 11:45:03 AM  
how about this: upon being found guilty, defendant gets the pill option. immediately after death, family members of the victim get the kick-the-corpse and stop-on-its-face option.
 
2013-07-03 11:45:06 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


What the other folks said, plus - welcome to Fark!
 
2013-07-03 11:45:50 AM  

ph0rk: Mikey1969: Besides, you don't usually get the death penalty for molestation, so I look at it that way, as well. Suboptimal in that nobody got the satisfaction of thinking of him in jail all those years, but better than optimal in the fact that his punishment went beyond what it should have.

All those years? His sentence could have only been 7 years, max. Do you expect he would have served them all?

I imagine if they could have made a rape charge stick they would have prosecuted him for one.


So? Death as opposed to 7 years? Sounds like a win/win. And yeah, some people serve their full term, or everyone knows going in exactly how long they will serve. Example: The guy who killed my mother got 7 years, and I knew that from the beginning, and knew when he was going to be out. It was set in stone and never changed, and that was just for manslaughter.
 
2013-07-03 11:47:19 AM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.



www.tshirthell.com

denton.smugmug.com
 
2013-07-03 11:51:48 AM  

Dreamless: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

That pretty much tells me all I need to know about how you view women.


Just keep sucking
 
2013-07-03 11:55:57 AM  

Lexx: corronchilejano: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not if she was sodomizing him.

You realize that oral sex is technically sodomy, right?


Or they were listening to some Steely Dan, like say, "Peg."
 
PJ-
2013-07-03 11:56:18 AM  
I've never understood why capital punishment is not acceptable these days.  Last I heard it was too inhumane to kill someone for crimes they committed, to which I ask, it's more humane to lock them up in a small cage, surrounded by other animals looking to stab/rape/extort you?  Hm, interesting what humane is considered these days.

I say the same thing about suicide.  Sure, it hurts people around you, but in all honesty, it's my life, if I chose to end it at 40, what's it to you?  Right, you can decide if I want to live, and if I want to end my life early, you will once again stick me in a cage surrounded by people who want to stab/rape/extort me.
 
2013-07-03 11:59:54 AM  
I HAVE JUST POURED PART OF A CAN OF SODA DOWN MY BACK WHILE TRYING TO DRINK IT AGH COLD WET CLINGING TO SHIRT
 
2013-07-03 12:00:35 PM  
oh fark this is not my facebook wall
 
2013-07-03 12:01:44 PM  
i.imgur.com

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.
 
2013-07-03 12:02:56 PM  

PJ-: I've never understood why capital punishment is not acceptable these days.  Last I heard it was too inhumane to kill someone for crimes they committed, to which I ask, it's more humane to lock them up in a small cage, surrounded by other animals looking to stab/rape/extort you?  Hm, interesting what humane is considered these days.


Neither is humane, but you can be let out of a cage.
 
2013-07-03 12:03:16 PM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.


The girl and the burger or just the girl?
 
2013-07-03 12:04:25 PM  

AndreMA: Smeggy Smurf: Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. That's funny

Stealing from George Carlin... not so funny.

Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..."  That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system.  We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Both of which aren't true.  More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury.  The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.


I view prison safety as an almost impossibility.  If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates?  Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper?  Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of justice.  I think that is expecting the impossible from the state.  I view what happens in a prison not much differently than any other dangerous environment.  If I go fishing in a river in South Carolina and get bitten by a water moccasin, is it's the state's fault because I was bitten by a snake in their river?  Or is it a risk I accept by entering a dangerous environment?  Yes, in the example I knowingly and willfully entered that environment, but when someone kills another in cold blood, they are, to an extent, also willingly entering a dangerous environment by killing another in cold blood.

I get that there are prison guards and they are there as much to keep the prisoners in as much as they are to keep the inmates safe.  But they are not and can not be an omni-present force.  They stamp out what they can, react accordingly, and that's one of the problems is that they are mostly if not almost entirely reactionary.  Plus, how do you protect in a society like prison where witnesses and those who knows what about to happen know that they'll also be at risk of the next attack?
 
2013-07-03 12:04:37 PM  

AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


i.imgur.com

Not unless it's a mime.
 
2013-07-03 12:06:36 PM  

Gosling


I HAVE JUST POURED PART OF A CAN OF SODA DOWN MY BACK WHILE TRYING TO DRINK IT AGH COLD WET CLINGING TO SHIRT


HA HA YOU HAVE A DRINKING PROBLEM
 
2013-07-03 12:07:08 PM  

Great Janitor: I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of justice.  I think that is expecting the impossible from the state.


That is patently absurd. We have maximum security and solitary confinement - the only reason we have communal showers, mess halls, etc, is because it is cheaper.

What would also be cheaper would be limiting those sent to prisons to only those that society absolutely requires be kept there.
 
2013-07-03 12:07:31 PM  
It's too bad this wasn't routine in cases like this. You give the defendant the choice. Live out your life in prison, or here, swallow this goodbye, good ridance. Imagine the money saved, and the scum removed from the planet.
 
2013-07-03 12:08:27 PM  
this should be an option that we should have for all criminal cases, if convicted while in open court you have the choice life in prison or the black capsule.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:08 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Some of those 14 year olds can easily pass off for older as well. I was in school dancing at a club on the north end of Chicago years ago and started to get hot and heavy with this girl on the floor. Things are awesome I get her back to my place and we do our thing and its a great awesome night. Wake up the next day and she's asking me for a ride after breakfast, I'm like yeah sure where you need to go?

"Ohh I have band practice today can you drop me off at my school?"
"Band practice?"
"Yeah I play in  it"
"How old are you?"
"16"

So it does happen


Sure it happens, although one possible explanation is that she WAS 24 or whatever, and she just wanted to make sure you didn't get clingy. Now THAT would be a CSB, although she'd have to be the one telling it.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:41 PM  

Great Janitor: I get that there are prison guards and they are there as much to keep the prisoners in as much as they are to keep the inmates safe. But they are not and can not be an omni-present force.


Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:55 PM  

ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]


May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:24 PM  

Evil Mackerel: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.

The girl and the burger or just the girl?


Go for broke, cowboy.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:51 PM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.




I will eat out what is hold it.

I can not comment on if this was a good thing or bad thing since I do not know if this was a case of a willing 14 year old or a forced 14 year old. My thoughts are it is a force 14 year old since it was the back door, but it could be a matter of not wanting to get pregnant and he had already taken care of her orally.
 
2013-07-03 12:14:23 PM  

corronchilejano: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Not if she was sodomizing him.


Then we'd ask for pictures.
 
2013-07-03 12:16:44 PM  
On a more serious note, this is probably the worst possible thing he could have done to the victim at this point.

Look at it from her perspective. You've gone through, what, six months of nonstop public discussion about the sex that happened to you, with tons of complete strangers asking you questions about how it happened, and was it maybe kind of your idea, and have you maybe done this with boys your own age too, and what was it that made him think he could get away with this with you, and now please tell us in excruciating detail every single thing that went down with his penis, etc. etc. On top of that, every five minutes someone is reminding you that this is VERY SERIOUS because a man's life hangs in the balance, and are you  absolutely sure about everything you just said, and so forth.

So somehow you find the courage to actually see the process through, when what you'd really rather do is say "you know what, forget it, I don't need closure on this, let's just forget this ever happened, I'll just build up some psychic scar tissue and move on." And then this guy, who has not only raped you but put you through all this excruciating post-rape examination of your rape, kills himself as one final twist of the knife.

I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.
 
2013-07-03 12:17:10 PM  
Considering what they would have done to him in prison, that was probably the smart move.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:12 PM  
semiotix:
I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.

I doubt that was his goal, or entered into his mind at all.  It was likely a purely selfish move.  With callous disregard for how it may mess the kid up, of course.
 
2013-07-03 12:20:32 PM  

semiotix: Sure it happens, although one possible explanation is that she WAS 24 or whatever, and she just wanted to make sure you didn't get clingy. Now THAT would be a CSB, although she'd have to be the one telling it.


*mindblown
 
2013-07-03 12:20:54 PM  

semiotix: On a more serious note, this is probably the worst possible thing he could have done to the victim at this point.

Look at it from her perspective. You've gone through, what, six months of nonstop public discussion about the sex that happened to you, with tons of complete strangers asking you questions about how it happened, and was it maybe kind of your idea, and have you maybe done this with boys your own age too, and what was it that made him think he could get away with this with you, and now please tell us in excruciating detail every single thing that went down with his penis, etc. etc. On top of that, every five minutes someone is reminding you that this is VERY SERIOUS because a man's life hangs in the balance, and are you  absolutely sure about everything you just said, and so forth.

So somehow you find the courage to actually see the process through, when what you'd really rather do is say "you know what, forget it, I don't need closure on this, let's just forget this ever happened, I'll just build up some psychic scar tissue and move on." And then this guy, who has not only raped you but put you through all this excruciating post-rape examination of your rape, kills himself as one final twist of the knife.

I mean, yeah, it solves one of his problems, which is not wanting to live in prison. But it also accomplishes another established goal of his, which is to profoundly mess this kid up.


Missouri has some rather harsh penalties for statutory rape, but intercourse must have happened for it to apply. This wasn't a rape case, ergo...
 
2013-07-03 12:21:39 PM  

AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.


Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!
 
2013-07-03 12:22:41 PM  
Actually, it looks like even if it were a rape case the sentence maximum would still be 7 years. That said, I can't imagine the media wouldn't be using the word rape if it were a rape case.
 
2013-07-03 12:24:38 PM  

Flakeloaf: Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.


Finite, yes. Small, no. And in the US, that large finite number is often much greater than the number the prison was designed to safely hold.

I'm not agreeing with anyone who shrugs their shoulders at prison violence--just saying it's not a simple problem, especially considering the limited resources available for making things better for prisoners.
 
2013-07-03 12:26:53 PM  

wambu: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

[i.imgur.com image 453x604]

Not unless it's a mime.

www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-07-03 12:26:54 PM  

Great Janitor: Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison. That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..." That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system. We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Both of which aren't true. More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury. The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.

I view prison safety as an almost impossibility. If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates? Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper? Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a miscarriage of ...


Thanks for discussing it rationally, unlike some who are now ignored with a "Rape Apologist" notation.

Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

As to segregation to prevent racial violence, I'd be in favor of that for those who've displayed a history of racial violence either in prison or before (another qualifier the guards can know about)

The prevalence of contraband drugs and cellphones inside prisons suggests to me that much more can be done to ensure safety... both for prisoners and guards.
---
* hey, if DoD can instruct its personnel to not read newspaper articles that contain classified information that's been leaked, prisons can restrict guards from researching prisoners
 
2013-07-03 12:27:29 PM  

nekom: I doubt that was his goal, or entered into his mind at all.  It was likely a purely selfish move.  With callous disregard for how it may mess the kid up, of course.


You're probably right, but yeah, it kind of doesn't matter.
 
2013-07-03 12:27:50 PM  

semiotix: Flakeloaf: Why not? A prison is a closed system with a finite number of people inside.

Finite, yes. Small, no. And in the US, that large finite number is often much greater than the number the prison was designed to safely hold.

I'm not agreeing with anyone who shrugs their shoulders at prison violence--just saying it's not a simple problem, especially considering the limited resources available for making things better for prisoners.


Given that the US prison population dwarfs those of other nations (proportionally) and we consider ourselves the leaders of the free world, inhumane treatment of prisoners is inexcusable.

It isn't like we don't have the money.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:23 PM  
Death is the only true freedom.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:48 PM  

Precision Boobery: "Sodomizing" is so non-specific.  Can't we have separate words for oral and anal?  How are we supposed to get our dose of fap imagery outrage from these daily, descriptive sex-crime reports if we don't even know what was done?


Valid point, although it does indicate penitration of some kind.

No loss.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:03 PM  

elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.


[www.tshirthell.com image 515x320]

[denton.smugmug.com image 600x350]

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!


hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?
 
2013-07-03 12:30:06 PM  

AndreMA: Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".


Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:06 PM  

ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.


Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.
 
2013-07-03 12:32:21 PM  

namegoeshere: AndreMA: Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.


That's a very valid point.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:07 PM  

Poowaddins: Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).


Bit of a tangent, but continuing any sexual contact after one party says "stop" is rape, isn't it (In common usage, not in MO)? Women can rape men just fine, and dude has to sleep sometime.
 
2013-07-03 12:33:51 PM  
We should give this option to all criminals.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:55 PM  

Thisbymaster: We should give this option to all criminals.


Certianly, however if they take it and are later exonerated expect that their family sues the bejesus out of the state (and wins).
 
2013-07-03 12:37:20 PM  
f*ck you, f*ck you, you're cool...
 
2013-07-03 12:37:58 PM  

Poowaddins: ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.


I hope that that's one of those archaic laws that is never paid any attention to.

I'd love to see legislatures (Federal and State) required to repeal one law for each one they pass in order to weed out that garbage...
 
2013-07-03 12:40:48 PM  

namegoeshere: Here's the problem with that. It would only work if the prison existed in isolation and prisoners had no visitors. Family members will tell prisoners what other prisoners are in for. Prison is a very gossipy place.


Agreed. You have your papers with you and one of the first things the other prisoners do is ask to see them. It's all going to be right there in the documentation.

The thing about improving prison conditions is that too many people just... aren't interested in doing that. Not in the sense that it's low on their priority list, but in the sense that they actively do not want to do it. The whole 'tough on crime' mentality has given itself over to a 'once a criminal always a criminal' way of thinking, with the result that rehabilitation is seen as useless and a waste of taxpayer money. The mentality is just punishment, punishment, punishment, and no matter how many statistics you supply that rehabilitation reduces recidivism, the response will always come back that either 'it won't scale up to a country as big as the US' or, more troubling, 'the death penalty has a 0% recidivism rate'.
 
2013-07-03 12:42:44 PM  

AndreMA: Great Janitor: Great Janitor: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison. That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working,

As for the "what about those who are innocent..." That's more of a debate about overhauling our justice system. We are to have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty and a conviction is only to be granted to those who's innocence can not be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Both of which aren't true. More often than not the defendant is viewed as guilty at the moment of arrest, even by the jury. The jury really is full of those who are too dumb to not get out of it which means that conviction is based upon 12 morons.

I'm sure the several hundred exonerated death-row inmates intended to stay out of prison too. I certainly agree that we need juries that take their duties more seriously... but when the State incarcerates someone they assume responsibility for providing a reasonably safe and healthy environment. The prevalence of prison beatings and rapes suggests that the State is incompetent.

That they cannot practically be held accountable for those failures is in itself a miscarriage of justice.

I view prison safety as an almost impossibility. If someone is in prison for life with no chance of parole, what motivation does that person have to not beat the shiat out of other inmates? Someone goes in, innocent or not, convicted of child rape and the other inmates beat his ass for that, are the guards expected to put their safety at risk for a child raper? Should prisons be segregated, separate but equal, to avoid any and all racial violence?

I don't view what happens in prisons as a ...


Thanks for discussing it rationally, unlike some who are now ignored with a "Rape Apologist" notation.

Admittedly prison safety is a tough problem. Here's one idea: don't let the guards or prison administrators know what the prisoner was convicted of beyond "Level 3 Felony" or whatever the nomenclature is. Make it a firing offense for a guard to inquire, even online.* A "violent" qualifier would be appropriate so that guards can be a bit safer, and if parole hearings involve prison employees that would need to change. The prisoner can tell whatever lie he likes to other prisoners about "what they're in for".

As to segregation to prevent racial violence, I'd be in favor of that for those who've displayed a history of racial violence either in prison or before (another qualifier the guards can know about)

The prevalence of contraband drugs and cellphones inside prisons suggests to me that much more can be done to ensure safety... both for prisoners and guards.
---
* hey, if DoD can instruct its personnel to not read newspaper articles that contain classified information that's been leaked, prisons can restrict guards from researching prisoners


You're welcome.

As for prisoners not telling other inmates, that already happens.  Prison Guards can not tell fellow prisoners what inmates are in for.  But, prisoners are allowed magazines, radios, televisions, contact with family and friends, and that's how prisoners find out what others are convicted of, aside from the prisoner just telling.  This guy's name popping up in the news is what would have doomed him to prison justice.
 
2013-07-03 12:44:20 PM  

Profedius: wambu: [i.imgur.com image 478x269]

He could have eaten one of these. Same effect.

I will eat out what is hold it.

I can not comment on if this was a good thing or bad thing since I do not know if this was a case of a willing 14 year old or a forced 14 year old. My thoughts are it is a force 14 year old since it was the back door, but it could be a matter of not wanting to get pregnant and he had already taken care of her orally.


You are not familiar with the legal definition of sodomy, I see.
 
2013-07-03 12:45:17 PM  

AndreMA: /Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?


Ever since they started posting lots of serious news stories on the Main Page, FARK has lost its edgeiness.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 12:46:57 PM  

AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?


You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".
 
2013-07-03 12:58:55 PM  

Great Janitor: As for prisoners not telling other inmates, that already happens. Prison Guards can not tell fellow prisoners what inmates are in for. But, prisoners are allowed magazines, radios, televisions, contact with family and friends, and that's how prisoners find out what others are convicted of, aside from the prisoner just telling. This guy's name popping up in the news is what would have doomed him to prison justice.


I was throwing out ideas; thanks for poking holes in them. I guess the issue you raise could be alleviated in large measure by permitting prisoners to choose pseudonyms upon incarceration, but that seems unlikely to fly ("you're giving them aliases? are you insane?")
 
2013-07-03 12:58:57 PM  
Well, what did they think he was Goering to do after his conviction?
 
2013-07-03 01:01:04 PM  

Seat's Taken: You are full of it, man. You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag. And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".


See my other posts in this thread. At least twice people have pointed out flaws in my ideas and I've acknowledged them and thanked them.

You seem to have a strange definition of 'the type who is "never wrong"'
 
2013-07-03 01:02:47 PM  

the_rev: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

My guess is, verrrrrry rarely.


You aren't allowed to point out the reality that males and females have inherently differences, though occasionally you're allowed to discuss individual variation, just so long at it never points back to the former.
 
2013-07-03 01:04:19 PM  

Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".


Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.
 
2013-07-03 01:10:23 PM  

elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.


Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.
 
2013-07-03 01:10:34 PM  

the_rev: Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"


You ever stuck your dick in crazy?

Because they have.
 
2013-07-03 01:12:32 PM  
"French fries".
 
2013-07-03 01:15:04 PM  
To reiterate and simplify, sodomy is anything that isn't plain old vanilla missionary style banging. You're welcome.
 
2013-07-03 01:15:49 PM  

This text is now purple: the_rev: Yeah, double standard and all that. But I really wonder...how often does that result in any emotional or physical damage at all to the male "victim?"

You ever stuck your dick in crazy?

Because they have.


I imagine that the dwindling minority that feels sex should be reserved for marriage might feel that the loss of their virginity was "damage" as well.
 
2013-07-03 01:17:50 PM  

FlashHarry: markie_farkie:So in related news, you can order and get cyanide almost like pizza.

you'll be dead in thirty seconds or it's free!


Killerpills.com - quality suicide methods you can count on!
 
2013-07-03 01:20:45 PM  

AndreMA: elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.

Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.


So you either:

A) Made a Rape joke
B) Wished Rape on someone else

Google "Hypocrisy" before you speak again.
 
2013-07-03 01:22:33 PM  
Actually, don't google.  You've already proven that it's possible to make fun of rape or wish it on someone else, negating your argument entirely.  So just STOP TALKING.
 
2013-07-03 01:23:57 PM  

ph0rk: ph0rk: Molavian: angrycrank: Next time, take the cyanide BEFORE raping someone.

I missed where it said he raped her.  I looked elsewhere and couldn't find it, either.  Anyone have links that says this was forced?

I have some stories a lot like Crazy's.  Picked up a 15 year old in a college bar once, and actually started dating a girl who was 17 before I found out how old she was.

It is listed as statutory sodomy. I wonder what that means in Missouri - in NC it includes mouth and hand stuff, or used to.

Aha:

"Missouri begins its laws on sexual acts by defining "deviate sexual intercourse" (566.010 1(2)) as "any sexual act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, hand or anus of another person"." Link


So... tittyfarking and footjobs are still okay. *whew*

/I was asking for a friend...
 
2013-07-03 01:32:26 PM  

Aarontology: Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.


1. You mean pædophilia, not pœdophilia.

2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.
 
2013-07-03 01:33:19 PM  

perigee: I like the fact that this puzzles Darrin, as if he were genuinely disturbed that God doesn't insta-smite everyone after the guilty verdict.


I read it as more that being convicted is a stressful point; if you're going to drop dead of a heart attack or something, that would be a logical point(other possibilities include when you're arrested, formally charged, etc...)

It's also the most logical point for 'I'm not going to prison!' suicidal types.  Despite this it's uncommon.
 
2013-07-03 01:48:14 PM  

elchupacabra: AndreMA: elchupacabra: Seat's Taken: AndreMA: elchupacabra: AndreMA: ChipNASA: AndreMA: I have no reason to believe it's the case here, but what if he was innocent killed himself because he feared beatings and rape in prision? All you assholes who cheer and joke about prison rape need to chew on that a while, then go shoot yourself. Rape is never appropriate or funny.

May you be wrongly arrested and placed in a cell with 5 well-endowed men with a supply of Viagra.

Ah, so NOW it's appropriate!

hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

/Figures of speech. How the fark do they work?

You are full of it, man.  You should of just ate the crow, now you just look like a self-righteous dbag.  And here you are trying to be serious with other commenters and anything you've said has now been completely discredited as it appears you are the type who is "never wrong".

Oh wow, never even saw their response.  Yeah, you can't wish rape on someone else when you're arguing that it's never appropriate to wish rape on someone else.

Too bad there's no "Penalty Box" in Fark.  It would be good to put some people in a box here.

Perhaps you're simply too young to be familiar with Johnny Carson and Carnac the Magnificent. Most people of my generation (I'm 52) or older would recognize the format "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your armpits" that I was using as a humorous cliche.

So you either:

A) Made a Rape joke
B) Wished Rape on someone else

Google "Hypocrisy" before you speak again.


I did neither.

A) I was responding to two images that were rape jokes by making a non-joke that was not so much about rape, but about the poster of the images, trying to encourage them to picture how un-funny rape actually is by putting themselves in the receiving end. It was based on a humorous cliche (Carnac) but not in itself humorous. I'm not going to bother going back to see where the context was lost; I myself sometimes don't quote in totality.

B) I no more wished rape on the image poster (who doesn't seem to have the stick up his ass that you do) than Carnac actually wished camel fleas on anyone.

If you're unable to grasp that sometimes things have multiple levels, and that you might not immediately understand all of them (either through your fault or mine), there's an "ignore" function which is easy to access.

Thanks for not making me have to point out that hyperbole and humorous cliche are not mutually exclusive, though; I was expecting that I'd need to.
I see no point to further discussion. Good day.
 
2013-07-03 01:54:23 PM  
AndreMA: I see no point to further discussion. Good day.

Agreed.  Your assertion that there are subjects that can not be made the subject of humor has been proven false, ironically by your own words.  That's all I wanted to assert.  Good Day.
 
2013-07-03 01:55:41 PM  

Great Janitor: The One True TheDavid: Great Janitor:

Beatings and anal rape is prisons is a fact. Don't like it, stay the fark out of prison.  That's what I've been doing and it seems to be working.

Maybe we should ask you what you do with all the witnesses.

Accidents happen.


Do you have any idea how hard it is to clean nose-hair filtered coffee off a laptop keyboard? YUCK.
 
2013-07-03 01:57:54 PM  

lack of warmth: browneye:

If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.

It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison


Does anybody really advertise to pimp out their real 5 year old or are they all cops or cop-helpers? Jeez, what a dummy. A federal prosecutor should know better than that at least.

If anybody claiming to be 17 years, 11 months and 3 weeks old sent me a BIE and an RSVP my reply would be "Hello officer! So you've solved all the murders, robberies and rapes in your jurisdiction, I take it?"

I'd want to see clear and legible scans of an officially issued photo ID, a Social Security card, and a bill or official letter sent to you at the address on the ID before I'll conduct any correspondance rated higher than G. And get them suckers notarized.

...Well, I'm waiting...


*crickets*
 
2013-07-03 02:00:22 PM  
Sgt. Nancy van Rooy disagrees with the account of the parents/kids and subby's headline. Since the police generally have no problem shrugging and saying "just enforcing the law..." and since no cops appear to be in danger of a lawsuit, disciplinary action, or prosecution here, I tend to believe the cops in this case.
 
2013-07-03 02:01:54 PM  

AndreMA: Sgt. Nancy van Rooy disagrees with the account of the parents/kids and subby's headline. Since the police generally have no problem shrugging and saying "just enforcing the law..." and since no cops appear to be in danger of a lawsuit, disciplinary action, or prosecution here, I tend to believe the cops in this case.


Damnit, wrong thread.
 
2013-07-03 02:03:13 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?

Mail order. You can get anything mail-order.


I always try to find Iocane powder, but they are always sold out.
 
2013-07-03 02:03:48 PM  

Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.


Not me. I don't own a decent shovel.
 
2013-07-03 02:07:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: NewportBarGuy: Have you met my wife, Svetlana?

Better check your purchase, they sent me Stevelana last time.


Show me the CoontFax!
 
2013-07-03 02:14:34 PM  

poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.


Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.
 
2013-07-03 02:23:52 PM  
Should be a mandetory option.
 
2013-07-03 02:30:58 PM  

highendmighty: And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.


It IS  abuse-abuse to have sex with a willing post-pubertal, pre-adult person if there is a clear power disparity between the participants: teacher-on-student, caretaker-on-ward, 48-year-old on 14-year-old, etc.  The teenager is not able to give full informed consent in such circumstances.

BTW, the next time you vacation in Great Britain be sure to make a stop in Caretaker-on-Ward.  Lovely little village.
 
2013-07-03 02:32:56 PM  

The One True TheDavid: lack of warmth: browneye:

If he was guilty, then the only problem I have with his suicide is that he didn't do it before trial so as to save the tax payers some money.

It was the one decent thing a federal prosecuting attorney from FL did after being arrested in MI for soliciting a five yro for sex did, he hanged himself before trial.

citation: John David R. Atchison

Does anybody really advertise to pimp out their real 5 year old or are they all cops or cop-helpers? Jeez, what a dummy. A federal prosecutor should know better than that at least.

If anybody claiming to be 17 years, 11 months and 3 weeks old sent me a BIE and an RSVP my reply would be "Hello officer! So you've solved all the murders, robberies and rapes in your jurisdiction, I take it?"

I'd want to see clear and legible scans of an officially issued photo ID, a Social Security card, and a bill or official letter sent to you at the address on the ID before I'll conduct any correspondance rated higher than G. And get them suckers notarized.

...Well, I'm waiting...


*crickets*


The case I was referring to was one of several linked by an investigation starting with a woman who was actually trying to pimp her children.  She herself was a hooker and thought the kids should pitch in.  The case against her directly, involved her telling an undercover officer that if the five yro wouldn't cooperate then the mom would hold the girl down for him.  After her arrest the detectives involved did something smart and used her computer persona to catch a few other potential perverts.  I am not sure how many they caught in total, but John Atchison's arrest and later demise was all over our local news.  They never said they used her site, but it doesn't take much to realize her and John's arrest isn't just coincidence being only two months apart.  I don't think they were concerned about revealing their hand towards suspects, since the guys they were arresting all traveled in from other states.  I think they were more worried about folks getting all butt hurt about them using the small kids as bait.  No one got butt hurt over Atchison's death.  So yes, online soliciting five year olds is an all too real of a thing.
 
2013-07-03 02:33:33 PM  

Poowaddins: ph0rk: In Missouri, married persons cannot file complaints for rape (566.030) and are considered property that always consents to sexual use. Married persons also cannot file complaints for forcible sodomy.

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Remind me to stay the hell out of Missouri.


I don't think that's still true, because I read that the 50th State to get rid of spouse exceptions in their rape laws was my home State of NC. In 1993.

I use that as a talking point in gay marriage arguments; IMO criminalizing marital rape is a bigger change to the "institution of marriage" than either gay or interracial marriage.
 
2013-07-03 02:42:38 PM  

Aarontology: How the f*ck did he get hold of one?


It should be legal to buy cyanide pills. It's not like they're gel caps or something. It's just poison in glass.
 
2013-07-03 03:39:25 PM  

highendmighty: poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.

Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.


I would hope that, at least, you assume it's consensual.
 
2013-07-03 03:45:46 PM  
And after his fellow prison inmates had planed an extra special welcome for him.
 
2013-07-03 03:55:15 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Aarontology: Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.

1. You mean pædophilia, not pœdophilia.

2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.


Ephebephoebephilia?

i.wp.pl
/It's not dirty because she's older than me.
 
2013-07-03 03:58:20 PM  

vygramul: highendmighty: poot_rootbeer: 2. You mean ephebephilia, not pædophilia.

Yes.  It's #2.  People unfamiliar with the heyday of stickam, and those with their heads up their asses and in denial for the past 40 years, think that people are not sexually active (and horny) at that age.

And at that age it's not abuse abuse unless you give them an STD.

I would hope that, at least, you assume it's consensual.


At least...  My post wasn't at all written in earnest.
 
2013-07-03 04:03:05 PM  
hmm to bad he couldn't have done that BEFORE he sodomized the girl.
or
before the trial, so she wouldn't have to relive the experience

Frankly this was too good for him
can we desecrate his corpse in some way?
 
2013-07-03 04:29:05 PM  
He took the cowardly, easy way out. I'd want him in general population. Not that I condone constant and violent prison rape in all his bodily orifices... but if it happened, it happened.
 
2013-07-03 04:36:43 PM  
Well he was smart. Instead of having to suffer in jail and being butt raped, he simply ended it all and went to the "afterlife" if there is one. He practically ruined his future anyway by raping a girl and getting caught.
 
2013-07-03 04:37:19 PM  

mbillips: Aarontology: R.A.Danny: Aarontology: I just thought of something.

If this had been a female teacher banging a male student, you guys would be lining up to give him high fives.

Yes, yes we would. There is a double standard, and it's wrong. We don't care.

Got it. Pro-poedophelia in certain contexts. You should be proud of yourself.

Sex with a post-pubescent isn't pedophilia. It's shenanigans, but it's not pedophilia. Most 14-year-olds aren't children who lack a sex drive. My grandmother and two of my great-grandmothers were married by age 14. Half of all kids aged 15-19 in the U.S. have had oral sex. "Statutory sodomy" probably means she gave him a blowjob (statutory sodomy is defined as "deviate sexual intercourse with another person who is less than 14 years old" in the Missouri criminal code).

I'm not saying what he did shouldn't be illegal; I'm just saying it's very different from buggering an 8-year-old.


Go on....
 
2013-07-03 04:51:30 PM  
This death is straight out of a James Bond movie or something.
 
2013-07-03 05:10:34 PM  
There's a possibility here.  What if for certain crimes, defendants were given suicide pills that they could take immediately after they were found guilty, and the judge ordered their sentence?

It would save a ton of money.
 
2013-07-03 06:08:26 PM  
Does anyone have Roman Polanski's address?
 
2013-07-03 06:12:26 PM  

nekom: I'm against this.  Easy way out instead of the well deserved stay in prison he was facing.


Agreed.
 
2013-07-03 08:39:48 PM  
it's better to burn out than to fade away
 
2013-07-03 09:39:08 PM  
lack of warmth:

So yes, online soliciting five year olds is an all too real of a thing.

Yuck. Some things are too extreme even for me. Even when not sober.
 
2013-07-03 09:43:09 PM  
Poowaddins:

Woah woah woah....so in Missouri, a wife cannot claim she was raped by her husband because she is his property? I'm sure the inverse is also true, wives raping husbands, but under most normal circumstances all things being equal I don't see how a woman can overpower a man and it not affect his ability to maintain an erection (i.e. drugs to subdue).

Pegging. (Wikipedia link with possibly NSFW artwork.) As to how to subdue him, women can point guns too.
 
2013-07-03 09:43:24 PM  

R.A.Danny: Saved us a lot of money.


He would have saved us more if he had done it when he was charged.

Or you know, if maybe he never committed the crime in the first place.
 
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