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2013-07-03 10:56:13 AM
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2013-07-03 11:41:52 AM
So what was their jail sentence?
 
2013-07-03 11:42:54 AM
How long until somebody claims this is the Christian version of Sharia Law?
 
2013-07-03 11:42:54 AM
i94.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 11:42:57 AM
Prayer get you nowhere these days. I prayed on Election Day instead of voting for Romney and Obama still won.

Thanks God.
 
2013-07-03 11:43:47 AM
They prayed to the wrong God.
 
2013-07-03 11:44:12 AM

alice_600: So what was their jail sentence?


Perhaps this will help.
 
2013-07-03 11:45:38 AM
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?
 
2013-07-03 11:48:56 AM

Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


Sometimes you don't catch the idiot parents until they've murdered their children with their iron age beliefs.
 
2013-07-03 11:49:27 AM
Is this the same couple that had a 2nd kid die due to praying, or was that another nut?
 
2013-07-03 11:49:34 AM

Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


They never took her to a doctor. How was the state supposed to know that she was in trouble?
 
2013-07-03 11:49:43 AM

Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


It's my understanding that the parents did not seek medical help, therefore no one from a hospital or state agency was aware the child was ill.
 
2013-07-03 11:50:01 AM

haemaker: alice_600: So what was their jail sentence?

Perhaps this will help.


All they got was PROBATION?!
 
2013-07-03 11:50:53 AM

Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


Of course, the state has to know about it first. And I bet they didn't even know the girl was sick until she died.

/They better not appeal, because I think even Scalia would find that law unconstitutional.
 
2013-07-03 11:52:14 AM

Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


I don't know, but it seems irrelevant here:

According to court records, the young girl became sick in 2008 and instead of seeking medical attention, her parents chose to pray for her healing.

Ain't nobody can do nothin' if the bible-bashing idiots don't tell anyone what's going on in the first place.

And these worthless shiatheels got one month of jail a year for six years. For murdering a child. Slowly. They tortured a child to death. And they have two others they're allowed to keep if they really honest to jeebus promise to not kill them the same way.

WTF is wrong with this farking country? These two should face chemical sterilization and life in prison.
 
2013-07-03 11:53:28 AM

IlGreven: Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?

Of course, the state has to know about it first. And I bet they didn't even know the girl was sick until she died.

/They better not appeal, because I think even Scalia would find that law unconstitutional.


This was the appeal. They lost. Which is good. Now off to jail, Bad Parents.
 
2013-07-03 11:53:38 AM

alice_600: haemaker: alice_600: So what was their jail sentence?

Perhaps this will help.

All they got was PROBATION?!


No, they got 6 months!

If you think that's bad, don't read this one...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313560/SECOND-son-faith-hea li ng-couple-dies-home-got-probation-death-first.html
 
2013-07-03 11:56:08 AM

namegoeshere: IlGreven: Millennium: Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the state supposed to act in loco parentis to administer treatment before the kid dies? This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?

Of course, the state has to know about it first. And I bet they didn't even know the girl was sick until she died.

/They better not appeal, because I think even Scalia would find that law unconstitutional.

This was the appeal. They lost. Which is good. Now off to jail, Bad Parents.


FTA:
The Neumann's could appeal to the United State Supreme Court.

That's what I was referring to. And if they do, there will be a war about it, since a ruling against it puts pretty much every religious exemption for otherwise criminal activities at risk.
 
2013-07-03 11:56:21 AM
they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.
 
2013-07-03 11:56:24 AM
This Jesus guy seems to be associated with all sorts of riffraff.  I'm not sure I trust him.
 
2013-07-03 11:56:46 AM

Molavian: [i94.photobucket.com image 500x321]


Came here to grumpy that.
 
2013-07-03 11:58:56 AM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


They were both negligent.  One person kills, but any number of people can let someone die.  These were separate criminal acts.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:14 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


wat
 
2013-07-03 12:03:00 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


You have the worst farkin' attorneys.

/ Really?
// No one?
/// Just me?
 
2013-07-03 12:04:25 PM
2 people already beat me to GrumpyCat.jpg.

So, I'll just say it.  GOOD!
 
2013-07-03 12:07:55 PM
They should move to North Carolina. Apparently they'd have a lot of support in our current General Assembly.
 
2013-07-03 12:11:34 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


Call the number on the back of your matchbook and complain about the quality of your law degree.
 
2013-07-03 12:15:11 PM
There's an old saying that 'God helps those who help themselves' and I figure it's about right.

After all, He did give us the brains with which to access, explore and understand knowledge as well as to expand upon and develop whole new technologies.

I'm not sure if He counted on 'stupid' being so wide spread, along with basic blind ignorance.

I mean, if you live in a time and era when medical care was iffy or far away from civilization where you had to depend mainly on yourself, yeah, I can understand turning to prayer. But now, the majority of folks are surrounded by medical assistance ranging from OTC products in stores to clinics and hospitals.

God gave us the intelligence to develop what we need.

Like the physician who discovered that infections could be spread by dirty hands and started washing his hands in-between surgeries. Even rinsing them off in plain water helped cut the incidents of post op infections down a lot. Wiping them on your surgical coat or a rag, as was the trend, didn't help at all.

Later it dawned on folks that cleaning their tools, like bone cutters, of blood and tissue before jumping in to hack off the next arm or leg helped even more. Cleaning them before packing them away wasn't sufficient.

I used to read of surgeries performed with no anesthetic. Especially one where a land owner had to have a bladder stone removed. Pain, and lots of it, was a normal part of life in the past -- which might account for certain attitudes.

Then, along came anesthetics. Antibiotics. Immunizations. Sterile technique. A host of new, minimally invasive surgical procedures.

God gave us the brains to make the tools to help ourselves.

I suspect He had a reason for that.
 
2013-07-03 12:16:10 PM
Sorry Subby... I hit that second "to" like a speed bump at 50mph and couldn't finish reading the headline. I bet it didn't get any better.
 
2013-07-03 12:21:51 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


I am sure this was already covered in the appeals and they lost.  So, there is your answer.

/my church, the priesthood meets you at the hospital and pray for your healing as well as the wisdom and abilities of the medical staff.
//very good results
///some were actually healed before the doctors needed to do anything, but they still saw the doc
//// I'm talking tumor went missing before surgery type healings.  Just last month, lady was told 'you have a growth'.  It wasn't there when they opened her up.  Her health returned with nothing more than closing her up and sending her home.
 
2013-07-03 12:23:05 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


Well Played.
 
2013-07-03 12:28:53 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


If you're trolling, you got a hell of a lot of bites.  If you're not, you're just retarded.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:03 PM
This is what I like to call Fundie Natural Selection. They won't be around much longer if they keep killing off their own.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:17 PM
It is my understanding that what the actual common law thing was that a husband or wife could not be called as a witness against the other.  The assumption was that they would lie to protect their spouse and therefore were unreliable witnesses.  Makes sense to me.  This does not mean that they can't both be charged with involvement in the same crime.  That's a different kind of thing.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:28 PM

Rik01: There's an old saying that 'God helps those who help themselves' and I figure it's about right.

After all, He did give us the brains with which to access, explore and understand knowledge as well as to expand upon and develop whole new technologies.

I'm not sure if He counted on 'stupid' being so wide spread, along with basic blind ignorance.

I mean, if you live in a time and era when medical care was iffy or far away from civilization where you had to depend mainly on yourself, yeah, I can understand turning to prayer. But now, the majority of folks are surrounded by medical assistance ranging from OTC products in stores to clinics and hospitals.

God gave us the intelligence to develop what we need.

Like the physician who discovered that infections could be spread by dirty hands and started washing his hands in-between surgeries. Even rinsing them off in plain water helped cut the incidents of post op infections down a lot. Wiping them on your surgical coat or a rag, as was the trend, didn't help at all.

Later it dawned on folks that cleaning their tools, like bone cutters, of blood and tissue before jumping in to hack off the next arm or leg helped even more. Cleaning them before packing them away wasn't sufficient.

I used to read of surgeries performed with no anesthetic. Especially one where a land owner had to have a bladder stone removed. Pain, and lots of it, was a normal part of life in the past -- which might account for certain attitudes.

Then, along came anesthetics. Antibiotics. Immunizations. Sterile technique. A host of new, minimally invasive surgical procedures.

God gave us the brains to make the tools to help ourselves.

I suspect He had a reason for that.


In other words god does absolutely nothing but soak up credit for medical breakthroughs made by doctors and scientists over hundreds of years. Got it.
 
2013-07-03 12:29:31 PM
I guess some things are too obscure for Fark.
 
2013-07-03 12:31:32 PM
If it weren't for parents forcing religion on small, trusting children who don't know any better, I'd be willing to bet religion would die out in a single generation.

Hokey religions and ancient beliefs are no match for an education.
 
2013-07-03 12:31:41 PM

advex101: It is my understanding that what the actual common law thing was that a husband or wife could not be called as a witness against the other.  The assumption was that they would lie to protect their spouse and therefore were unreliable witnesses.  Makes sense to me.  This does not mean that they can't both be charged with involvement in the same crime.  That's a different kind of thing.


In many if not most states, spousal privilege does not apply to child abuse/neglect cases.
 
2013-07-03 12:35:43 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


You probably have the worst farking attorney.

/doing time for some light treason
 
2013-07-03 12:36:33 PM
I think all religitards should forgo all medical treatment for prayer. That way the lines and wait at the ER and to see my doctors are a lot shorter.
 
2013-07-03 12:41:32 PM

Honest Bender: If it weren't for parents forcing religion on small, trusting children who don't know any better, I'd be willing to bet religion would die out in a single generation.

Hokey religions and ancient beliefs are no match for an education.


You would be surprised by how many adults who grew up without a religious background convert to religion.  Also, how many kids that did grow up in religious houses, split off from religion and return years later.  Very few grow up religious and stay religious throughout their entire lives.  Funny how many highly educated folks I find in churches, many are docs.

/all doctors are religious
//some believe in God
///others believe they are a god.
 
2013-07-03 12:42:02 PM

namegoeshere: advex101: It is my understanding that what the actual common law thing was that a husband or wife could not be called as a witness against the other.  The assumption was that they would lie to protect their spouse and therefore were unreliable witnesses.  Makes sense to me.  This does not mean that they can't both be charged with involvement in the same crime.  That's a different kind of thing.

In many if not most states, spousal privilege does not apply to child abuse/neglect cases.


Can also be waived.  Mainly covers communications; if a spouse SEES the crime happening they can testify no problem.
 
2013-07-03 12:43:37 PM

emgamera: they cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.


You've made a huge mistake.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:07 PM

blast yer scuppers: This is what I like to call Fundie Natural Selection. They won't be around much longer if they keep killing off their own.


The problem is that this only kills of the dumbest of the dumb of the fundies.  Natural selection is only acting to cull the trailing edge of the herd, kind of like a lazy hyena following a herd of really stupid sheep.   He can't eat them all, so instead of spending energy chasing them down he just eats the ones that somehow manage to choke themselves on their own tongues.
 
2013-07-03 12:50:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: namegoeshere: advex101: It is my understanding that what the actual common law thing was that a husband or wife could not be called as a witness against the other.  The assumption was that they would lie to protect their spouse and therefore were unreliable witnesses.  Makes sense to me.  This does not mean that they can't both be charged with involvement in the same crime.  That's a different kind of thing.

In many if not most states, spousal privilege does not apply to child abuse/neglect cases.

Can also be waived.  Mainly covers communications; if a spouse SEES the crime happening they can testify no problem.


As far as I understand there is no restriction to keep spouses from testifying for or against each other (many abuse and other cases are built primarily on one testifying against the other). There is protection from being compelled to testify against each other.
 
2013-07-03 12:53:11 PM

Millennium: This happens for at least some forms of treatment, and I was under the impression that it happened for any form; is this not the case?


More than 1500 kids a year in the US die due to mistreatment by their caregivers. Many of those caregivers have never been subject to so much as a founded report to child services when their child dies. We're lucky anyone got to prosecuting these folks even after the fact -- stopping them before they cause harm is almost unheard of.
 
2013-07-03 12:57:19 PM

lack of warmth: Funny how many highly educated folks I find in churches, many are docs.


What kind of churches?  Letting people who don't understand or deny evolution prescribe antibiotics is how we get multiply drug-resistant strains of disease.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:53 PM
Lack of action is not an action.  Reversed for homicide, affirmed for any neglect charges.

You can stand and watch a person die right in front of you.  Your inaction should never be construed to be homicide.

But hey, SCOTUS thinks inaction is an action subject to legal requirements.  See Wickard v. Filburn and National Federation of Indepedent Business v Sebelius.
 
2013-07-03 01:00:38 PM

lack of warmth:  Funny how many highly educated folks I find in churches, many are docs.



Know what they call the guy who finished bottom of his class in med school?
 
2013-07-03 01:09:52 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Is this the same couple that had a 2nd kid die due to praying, or was that another nut?


Another one
 
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