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2013-07-03 01:40:39 PM  
5 votes:
My parents left the church they'd been attending for the better part of 20 years when the pastor made a reference to God punishing people who partake in communion "in an unworthy manner" by making them sick. That pastor and the pastors before him had quoted the same scriptures to make the same point many times while I attended that church as a child, along with a lot of pious rhetoric about how "the prayer of faith will heal the sick," etc.

It was the same message that had been preached from the same pulpit dozens of times, but my parents objected to it that time because my mother was dying of cancer, and they interpreted the message as a backhanded way of implying that she hadn't been healed because she was insufficiently pious or didn't have enough faith.

When my dad told me the story several years after she died, I didn't have a response - at least not one I could tell him. On the one hand, having experienced religious "friends" turn on me overnight when I left Christianity, I knew precisely how horrible it can be. On the other hand, my parents had been in complete agreement with the doctrine of this church as for the better part of 20 years as they promoted it to all their friends, subjected their kids to pious mindfarking, and shunned other families who left the church over other disagreements. It hadn't even occurred to them that there might be a problem until the lens of ecclesial disapproval was turned on them. To this day, I still can't productively discuss the issue with my dad.

My point is: when you participate in an organization that eats its wounded, don't be surprised if it happens to you.

/ lots of you are now thinking "my church isn't lke that"
// many of you are in for a rude awakening
2013-07-03 01:40:01 PM  
4 votes:
THese people suck. I grew up with these a$$holes. Racist, sexist, money-sucking hypocrites to a man.
2013-07-03 01:02:57 PM  
4 votes:
I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!
2013-07-03 12:47:05 PM  
4 votes:

Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.


So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.
2013-07-03 11:43:40 AM  
4 votes:
"Thomas told Oglesby that the church asked the writer's husband, Bill Thomas, to resign..."  Thereby highlighting her point in a fabulously bright color.
2013-07-03 03:41:23 PM  
3 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: Yes, but the Gospels were also written a couple decades after the epistles, after a lot of Paul's theology became popular. Treating the gospels as purely antecedent  the Bible as anything but pure fiction is a mistake.

2013-07-03 02:19:15 PM  
3 votes:

RealAmericanHero: Woman tells truth about religious people. Religious people respond by portraying the same negative behavior they always do and taking petty revenge.

Just another day in the world.


Yup. With some of those churches if you aren't dressed the right way they talk shiat about you. Growing up my fiance had a seizure at a church him and his mom went to and they asked her not to come back. He was just a little kid who was having a seizure,he didn't need their bullshiat. He's never been back to a church since and I can't blame him because I know how those kind of churches filled with assholes like that work.
2013-07-03 01:34:10 PM  
3 votes:
Ah, the Southern Baptist Convention.

Created to defend slavery, and has only gone downhill from there.
2013-07-03 03:14:13 PM  
2 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: My parents left the church they'd been attending for the better part of 20 years when the pastor made a reference to God punishing people who partake in communion "in an unworthy manner" by making them sick. That pastor and the pastors before him had quoted the same scriptures to make the same point many times while I attended that church as a child, along with a lot of pious rhetoric about how "the prayer of faith will heal the sick," etc.

It was the same message that had been preached from the same pulpit dozens of times, but my parents objected to it that time because my mother was dying of cancer, and they interpreted the message as a backhanded way of implying that she hadn't been healed because she was insufficiently pious or didn't have enough faith.

When my dad told me the story several years after she died, I didn't have a response - at least not one I could tell him. On the one hand, having experienced religious "friends" turn on me overnight when I left Christianity, I knew precisely how horrible it can be. On the other hand, my parents had been in complete agreement with the doctrine of this church as for the better part of 20 years as they promoted it to all their friends, subjected their kids to pious mindfarking, and shunned other families who left the church over other disagreements. It hadn't even occurred to them that there might be a problem until the lens of ecclesial disapproval was turned on them. To this day, I still can't productively discuss the issue with my dad.

My point is: when you participate in an organization that eats its wounded, don't be surprised if it happens to you.

/ lots of you are now thinking "my church isn't lke that"
// many of you are in for a rude awakening


Sorry to hear that.  Not all churches are like that.  Ours was very supportive when my mom was sick.

/UCC
//We're a pretty progressive denomination
///We support gay marriage and sex education, among other things
2013-07-03 03:03:40 PM  
2 votes:
I grew up with those a******s as well. My father, who used to be a deacon and a highly respected member of the church in town was ostrasized and our entire family was viewed as breaking the faith when we moved out of town to the nearby country. The pastor gave two sermons in which my family was vilified to the entire town. What was our horrible crime?

We decided to attend the church that was a mile down the road as opposed to driving the four miles to the one in town. The church that was always considered the 'sister' church to the one in town, and used to have functions together to save money. After that, my father became an abusive alcoholic and pretty much lost everything. I wish he had had the courage to say STFU to those worthless baptists for trying to hurt him just because we were doing the same thing the two churches did... trying to save gas money.

All baptists... ALL BAPTISTS... are worthless di***ads...
2013-07-03 02:32:54 PM  
2 votes:

Magorn: Timothy 2:12


Weird how Jesus didn't say any of that, isn't it. hmmmm

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2013-07-03 02:32:53 PM  
2 votes:

joeflood: Ah, Southern Baptists.  Where the deacons meet to vote whether those two half-negro children can attend church because mixing of the races is a sin according to the bible.  Full black is fine.


Ya'll remember that story a while back about the church in Kentucky that wouldn't let the interracial couple attend? I know Ticha and I swear it's sad cause he's the most polite and sweetest guy. He went to college with my sister.
2013-07-03 01:44:53 PM  
2 votes:

mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?


If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).
2013-07-03 01:19:54 PM  
2 votes:

Wellon Dowd: Sure, God set us above the animals and gave us a brain, but He doesn't want us to use it.


Every religion points to getting smart (separating from the animals) as the cause of our 'problems.'
2013-07-03 01:09:48 PM  
2 votes:
Meh. Those two are too Christian to be Southern Baptists anyway.
2013-07-03 01:07:24 PM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.



copypasta of FBXRD link


A humor column in a Kentucky newspaper that made fun of the Southern Baptist Convention's opposition to the Boy Scouts of America decision to admit gay members, even referring to the convention as "shiate Baptists," could cost the writer's husband his job as an associate pastor and minister of music at First Baptist Church of Madisonville, an SBC congregation, Savannah Oglesby reports for The Messenger of Madisonville.

Angela Thomas, a regular columnist for the daily paper, wrote: "Some might assume that because the Boy Scouts have addressed the issue, it must mean that Scout packs are filled with 10-year-old boys insisting on wearing their Scout caps at a rakish tilt and over-accessorizing their uniforms. ... Sexuality doesn't come up and isn't relative to typical Scouting activities but now, thanks to Southern Baptists, the parents of little innocent Scouts everywhere are having to have The Talk. The Boy Scouts of America has been forced to confront this issue and cannot hide behind the freedom granted to religious organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention to condemn certain behaviors they deem unacceptable and excluded people based on their interpretation of the Bible."

In addition to the Scouts, Thomas wrote, the convention also rejects "the Democratic Party, Disney, the TeleTubbies, and any Baptists that aren't Southern," Thomas wrote. "Southern Baptists have little by little abandoned public schools and civic organizations. They are too sanctimonious to participate in Easter egg hunts and trick-or-treating. Santa and the Easter bunny are simply the devil in disguise, and cable television and the Internet are his playground. The Boy Scouts are his evil minions."

Thomas told Oglesby that the church asked the writer's husband, Bill Thomas, to resign, and he declined, sending "a letter requesting more dialogue with the personnel committee. We haven't heard an official response back from that, and that was on Monday." The newspaper couldn't reach the pastor for comment.

Thomas said her husband was asked about the column and replied, "I did read it, I agreed with what she said and I don't censor what my wife does." Oglesby's story concluded, "She said a celebration of her husband's 10 years of service at the church was scheduled for July 7, but for now, the event has been canceled."

The Messenger, which has a pay-per-view website, has received two letters to the editor, one criticizing the column and one supporting it.
2013-07-03 12:48:58 PM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.


That doesn't surprise me.  I seen a Baptist church that would fire the pastor for allowing boy scouts to wear shorts.

/not kidding
//no one could wear shorts even during SC summers
///I quit hanging out with them during the summer
2013-07-03 12:40:09 PM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]

I don't get it.

Me neither. But it looks like a 'couples' photo...for the SBC...struck me funny.

I'm guessing that's the joke as well. But it's a bit ambiguous.


It is, but it hit me as 'unintentionally ghey' and considering what they're promoting, I laughed. ymmv.
2013-07-03 12:38:44 PM  
2 votes:
Briefly worked at a strip club in Atlanta in the nineties. Business went up about 300% every year the week of the Southern Baptist Convention. Best week of the year.
2013-07-03 12:37:30 PM  
2 votes:
Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?
2013-07-03 12:34:35 PM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]

I don't get it.


Me neither. But it looks like a 'couples' photo...for the SBC...struck me funny.
2013-07-03 04:31:32 PM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: The Boy Scouts of America has been forced to confront this issue and cannot hide behind the freedom granted to religious organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention to condemn certain behaviors they deem unacceptable and excluded people based on their interpretation of the Bible.

I put put money in her basket.

Through victory an entirely new social order was to be established that would alter the relationship between the races forever. Unlike so many other Southerners, Lee embraced the new order. After peace had been achieved through unconditional surrender, the South became a vast, heavily occupied military zone with black Union soldiers seemingly everywhere.
One Sunday at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Richmond, a well-dressed, lone black man, whom no one in the community-white or black-had ever seen before, had attended the service, sitting unnoticed in the last pew.
Just before communion was to be distributed, he rose and proudly walked down the center aisle through the middle of the church where all could see him and approached the communion rail, where he knelt. The priest and the congregation were completely aghast and in total shock.
No one knew what to do...except General Lee. He went to the communion rail and knelt beside the black man and they received communion together-and then a steady flow of other church members followed the example he had set.
After the service was over, the black man was never to be seen in Richmond again. It was as if he had been sent down from a higher place purposefully for that particular occasion.

That Robert E. Lee was a damn Northern Yankee Democrat.


Wow, I'd never heard that story before but every thing I've read of Lee shows the man was a class act.
2013-07-03 04:30:55 PM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?

Oh wow dude. How in the holy fark did you get that idea from what I said? Does the idea of reading comprehension completely elude you or have you just not had your coffee yet? I said she acted like an actual Christian and that they are hypocrites who should stop pretending to be Christians. You somehow think that I agree with them that she's in the wrong and they're in the right? Damn, son. That's some seriously farked up logic jumping, even for fark.com


Are you illiterate?

How the flying fark did you get that idea from what I said?  Does the idea of reading comprehension completely elude you or are you just retarded?  I said "they."  Not "you."

"They."

As in "them."

As in "not you."
2013-07-03 04:19:30 PM  
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: The bible is the most widley shoplifted book on Earth. That says a lot.


/citation needed
In any event, it doesn't say much.  Publishers churn out 25-100 million bibles a year, depending on what source you trust, every year.  50 Shades of Grey managed to sell 70 million copies.  So there's 70 million copies of FSOG available to pilfer and something on the order of 6 Billion bibles.  Even if people stole the bible at 1/10 the rate of everything else, the bible just happens to be a bigger target.

What it does say is that the people who steal bibles are Farking morons.  They give the damned things away for free.  Why steal one?
2013-07-03 04:04:48 PM  
1 votes:
I grew up in attending a southern baptist church in small town Texas.  Luckily, I managed to escape the church and come to my senses.

These people are nuts.  They ran boycotts (unsuccessful) against Disney, Starbucks, Home Depot, and more.

It's weird to me that they single out homosexuality as such an incredible unforgivable sin.  They are more forgiving of people who disobey things listed in the 10 commandments than they are of gays.
2013-07-03 03:35:40 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: "1 Corinthians 13:24 "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says "

1 Timothy 2:12 " do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. "

Both of these chapters were written after Christ's Crucifixion, known as the Epistles.
Therefore, they do not have the same authority as what Christ said or the 10 Commandments.
The struggles of the early church do not have to be ours, so let's not act like they are.
/context
//it's important


Yes, but the Gospels were also written a couple decades after the epistles, after a lot of Paul's theology became popular. Treating the gospels as purely antecedent is a mistake.
2013-07-03 03:33:27 PM  
1 votes:
"1 Corinthians 13:24 "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says "

1 Timothy 2:12 " do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. "

Both of these chapters were written after Christ's Crucifixion, known as the Epistles.
Therefore, they do not have the same authority as what Christ said or the 10 Commandments.
The struggles of the early church do not have to be ours, so let's not act like they are.
/context
//it's important
2013-07-03 03:27:52 PM  
1 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: You do realize that a very large chunk of the New Testament, including rhe sayings atrributed to Jesus, can be summarized as "get your shiat together,because divinely-mandated ass-kickings are going to be dispensed in the near future," don't you? The Sermon on the Mount is a very small part of the book of Matthew...


How so?
I wouldnt say its as much about divinely mandated ass kickings as it is about reaping what you sow.
2013-07-03 03:19:33 PM  
1 votes:
Q: Why do you always take TWO Southern Baptists fishing with you?

A: 'Cause if you only take one, he'll drink all of your beer.
2013-07-03 03:16:05 PM  
1 votes:
PSA: The type of tight sphinctered SB that worry TeleTubbies are servants of the devil.
Have no sense of humor.
2013-07-03 03:15:32 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?


Actually, I've met people who believe this very thing.


/creepy...
2013-07-03 03:11:12 PM  
1 votes:
I gotta remind people that the southern baptist convention was created to support slavery.  Their church is built on evil.
2013-07-03 03:10:51 PM  
1 votes:

Halophilic: arashinogarou: Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.

Yes, because infinite torture for finite crimes is "love."

The NT is more obscene than the OT by infinity.


Hey, I was just contrasting OT god's "kill, crush, destroy each other" mentality with NT god's "love each other" mentality. But you do make a good point.
2013-07-03 03:09:22 PM  
1 votes:

RealAmericanHero: Martian_Astronomer: Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it.

I'm no Christian by any means, but I used to be for a time and still know some, and I can say at least for a non-denominational protestant that is not how it works.


You're right. Repentance is a change of mind; a will to do what is right. It isn't begging God to forgive you constantly after each and every mistake or sin you've commit. This is why the Gospel, at least in the King James Bible, says that belief is sufficient. Today's modern translations wash down that message and introduce works-based or performance-based salvation. That is another gospel, and the Bible doesn't say very nice things about those who preach another gospel.
2013-07-03 03:07:23 PM  
1 votes:
"I don't censor what my wife does"

He's doomed with the SBC leadership.

i.imgur.com
2013-07-03 03:05:42 PM  
1 votes:

RealAmericanHero: Martian_Astronomer: Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it.

I'm no Christian by any means, but I used to be for a time and still know some, and I can say at least for a non-denominational protestant that is not how it works.


I was simplifying, and lost some nuance in doing so, but I do stand by that. The first step in "the ABC's" is "admit that you're a sinner" which is one of the first bits of pop-theology that springs to mind. Other examples showing this as a model for salvation include the story of the Prodigal Son, and the idea that Jesus died to save everyone, but he'll still punish you until you "accept" his forgiveness.

The main bit of nuance I left out was the difference between when God forgives you and whether or not you're supposed to forgive others if they haven't apologized. However, as far as church discipline is concerned, Paul devoted the better part of a chapter in one of his epistles to the proper way to confront a church member for wrong doctrine then toss them out if they don't repent. If you want citations, I can get them for you later.

/ other bits of nuance I left out include the discussion of not sinning as a condition of salvation vs not sinning as the evidence that you're "truely" saved
2013-07-03 03:05:20 PM  
1 votes:

arashinogarou: Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.


Yes, because infinite torture for finite crimes is "love."

The NT is more obscene than the OT by infinity.
2013-07-03 03:03:46 PM  
1 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: arashinogarou: mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?

If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).

You do realize that a very large chunk of the New Testament, including rhe sayings atrributed to Jesus, can be summarized as "get your shiat together,because divinely-mandated ass-kickings are going to be dispensed in the near future," don't you? The Sermon on the Mount is a very small part of the book of Matthew...


Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.
2013-07-03 02:31:29 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: Not seeing a lot of loving your neighbor or turning the other cheek here. Or any sort of forgiveness. Real Christian.


Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it. That's why the first step of your typical born-again evangelist is to get you to admit to being a sinner. Saying "I didn't do anything wrong" and not groveling is a sure-fire way to find yourself out on your ass.

/ This is also why churches "accept" gay people on the condition that they admit they're horrible and promise to never have sex
2013-07-03 02:14:57 PM  
1 votes:
Woman tells truth about religious people. Religious people respond by portraying the same negative behavior they always do and taking petty revenge.

Just another day in the world.
2013-07-03 02:14:35 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?


Clearly you've read the Apostle Paul, history's first recorded BDSM Kink-positive holy man (though a lot people think he took the whole "Gorean" sub-fetish a bit too far):
Colossians 3:17
"Wives, Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.  "

1 Corinthians 13:24 "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says "

1 Timothy 2:12 " do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. "
2013-07-03 02:05:33 PM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: Go make a casserole and STFU already, Baptists.


Hey dislike the religion all you like but those motherfarkers can cook. No for real growing up we went to Big Creek Baptist and the pastor was an amazing guy named David Cook. After he left some new pastor showed up and he was a prick,yeah Witnesses are weird but you shouldn't call them out during a sermon, so that was the last time we went to church.
/Boring story sis.
2013-07-03 01:57:42 PM  
1 votes:

arashinogarou: mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?

If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).


You do realize that a very large chunk of the New Testament, including rhe sayings atrributed to Jesus, can be summarized as "get your shiat together,because divinely-mandated ass-kickings are going to be dispensed in the near future," don't you? The Sermon on the Mount is a very small part of the book of Matthew...
2013-07-03 01:55:43 PM  
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The Boy Scouts of America has been forced to confront this issue and cannot hide behind the freedom granted to religious organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention to condemn certain behaviors they deem unacceptable and excluded people based on their interpretation of the Bible.

I put put money in her basket.

Through victory an entirely new social order was to be established that would alter the relationship between the races forever. Unlike so many other Southerners, Lee embraced the new order. After peace had been achieved through unconditional surrender, the South became a vast, heavily occupied military zone with black Union soldiers seemingly everywhere.
One Sunday at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Richmond, a well-dressed, lone black man, whom no one in the community-white or black-had ever seen before, had attended the service, sitting unnoticed in the last pew.
Just before communion was to be distributed, he rose and proudly walked down the center aisle through the middle of the church where all could see him and approached the communion rail, where he knelt. The priest and the congregation were completely aghast and in total shock.
No one knew what to do...except General Lee. He went to the communion rail and knelt beside the black man and they received communion together-and then a steady flow of other church members followed the example he had set.
After the service was over, the black man was never to be seen in Richmond again. It was as if he had been sent down from a higher place purposefully for that particular occasion.


That Robert E. Lee was a damn Northern Yankee Democrat.
2013-07-03 01:36:06 PM  
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Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.


So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?
2013-07-03 01:30:06 PM  
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mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!


Yeah, this. That was a pleasant surprise.
2013-07-03 01:28:04 PM  
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You know what the problem is with baptists?  They don't hold 'em under long enough.
2013-07-03 01:19:45 PM  
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Penis.
2013-07-03 01:16:22 PM  
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mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?


I'm currently reading a book called "Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity."  It is largely concerned with making that very point, but it has quite a lot to say about the Southern Baptist Convention.   Here's a link to the intro if you're interested.
2013-07-03 01:14:46 PM  
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mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?


The message and the reality diverged about 90 AD. It used to be a nice little Jewish sect, remember.
2013-07-03 12:59:53 PM  
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BitwiseShift: It's way too early in the week for the Caterday advanced herding seminar. Controlling Southern Baptists is way out there.

The only thing SBs hate more than sin is organized religion.


Yet they seem to be organized enough to pressure a pastor to quit when his wife says something the majority of them disagree with.
2013-07-03 12:57:51 PM  
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It's way too early in the week for the Caterday advanced herding seminar. Controlling Southern Baptists is way out there.

The only thing SBs hate more than sin is organized religion.
2013-07-03 12:46:40 PM  
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It's always a dangerous idea to criticize your in-group.
2013-07-03 12:42:48 PM  
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Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?


I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.
2013-07-03 12:38:31 PM  
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Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
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I don't get it.

Me neither. But it looks like a 'couples' photo...for the SBC...struck me funny.

I'm guessing that's the joke as well. But it's a bit ambiguous.


They're an ambiguously gay duo.
2013-07-03 12:35:56 PM  
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Ow! That was my feelings!: Cythraul: Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]

I don't get it.

Me neither. But it looks like a 'couples' photo...for the SBC...struck me funny.


I'm guessing that's the joke as well. But it's a bit ambiguous.
 
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