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2013-07-03 01:34:10 PM
Ah, the Southern Baptist Convention.

Created to defend slavery, and has only gone downhill from there.
 
2013-07-03 01:36:06 PM

Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.


So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?
 
2013-07-03 01:40:01 PM
THese people suck. I grew up with these a$$holes. Racist, sexist, money-sucking hypocrites to a man.
 
2013-07-03 01:40:34 PM
Sounds like she's being too truthful about the Southern Baptists and they're pissed about being called BS artists.
 
2013-07-03 01:40:39 PM
My parents left the church they'd been attending for the better part of 20 years when the pastor made a reference to God punishing people who partake in communion "in an unworthy manner" by making them sick. That pastor and the pastors before him had quoted the same scriptures to make the same point many times while I attended that church as a child, along with a lot of pious rhetoric about how "the prayer of faith will heal the sick," etc.

It was the same message that had been preached from the same pulpit dozens of times, but my parents objected to it that time because my mother was dying of cancer, and they interpreted the message as a backhanded way of implying that she hadn't been healed because she was insufficiently pious or didn't have enough faith.

When my dad told me the story several years after she died, I didn't have a response - at least not one I could tell him. On the one hand, having experienced religious "friends" turn on me overnight when I left Christianity, I knew precisely how horrible it can be. On the other hand, my parents had been in complete agreement with the doctrine of this church as for the better part of 20 years as they promoted it to all their friends, subjected their kids to pious mindfarking, and shunned other families who left the church over other disagreements. It hadn't even occurred to them that there might be a problem until the lens of ecclesial disapproval was turned on them. To this day, I still can't productively discuss the issue with my dad.

My point is: when you participate in an organization that eats its wounded, don't be surprised if it happens to you.

/ lots of you are now thinking "my church isn't lke that"
// many of you are in for a rude awakening
 
2013-07-03 01:44:53 PM

mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?


If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).
 
2013-07-03 01:48:18 PM
To be fair, this wife has also been seen wearing colorful clothing, and letting her ankles show!

Propriety insists that she and her wayward husband be properly shunned.
 
2013-07-03 01:50:41 PM

Ambitwistor: Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?


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2013-07-03 01:55:43 PM
The Boy Scouts of America has been forced to confront this issue and cannot hide behind the freedom granted to religious organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention to condemn certain behaviors they deem unacceptable and excluded people based on their interpretation of the Bible.

I put put money in her basket.

Through victory an entirely new social order was to be established that would alter the relationship between the races forever. Unlike so many other Southerners, Lee embraced the new order. After peace had been achieved through unconditional surrender, the South became a vast, heavily occupied military zone with black Union soldiers seemingly everywhere.
One Sunday at St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Richmond, a well-dressed, lone black man, whom no one in the community-white or black-had ever seen before, had attended the service, sitting unnoticed in the last pew.
Just before communion was to be distributed, he rose and proudly walked down the center aisle through the middle of the church where all could see him and approached the communion rail, where he knelt. The priest and the congregation were completely aghast and in total shock.
No one knew what to do...except General Lee. He went to the communion rail and knelt beside the black man and they received communion together-and then a steady flow of other church members followed the example he had set.
After the service was over, the black man was never to be seen in Richmond again. It was as if he had been sent down from a higher place purposefully for that particular occasion.


That Robert E. Lee was a damn Northern Yankee Democrat.
 
2013-07-03 01:56:52 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]


You could easily photoshop that into an ad on the order of "NEED A BEARNOW?- ALL-MALE, 24/7, MANLY MEN IN YOUR AREA ARE WAITING FOR YOU."
 
2013-07-03 01:57:42 PM

arashinogarou: mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?

If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).


You do realize that a very large chunk of the New Testament, including rhe sayings atrributed to Jesus, can be summarized as "get your shiat together,because divinely-mandated ass-kickings are going to be dispensed in the near future," don't you? The Sermon on the Mount is a very small part of the book of Matthew...
 
2013-07-03 01:58:37 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Wellon Dowd: Sure, God set us above the animals and gave us a brain, but He doesn't want us to use it.

Every religion points to getting smart (separating from the animals) as the cause of our 'problems.'


Not quite; "Knowledge of good and evil" is the root.

Which leads to the theologic grammarian's question - is it simply the knowledge that the two exist, or the knowledge of what "good" and "evil" are?

// same semantic ambiguity exists in Hebrew
// been plaguing philosophers for millenia
// actually, as a philosophical allegory for man gaining higher intellect, it's pretty good
 
2013-07-03 01:58:45 PM

doubled99: Briefly worked at a strip club in Atlanta in the nineties. Business went up about 300% every year the week of the Southern Baptist Convention. Best week of the year.


I understand the male escorts and trannies also make a bundle, too.
 
2013-07-03 02:05:33 PM

Aigoo: Go make a casserole and STFU already, Baptists.


Hey dislike the religion all you like but those motherfarkers can cook. No for real growing up we went to Big Creek Baptist and the pastor was an amazing guy named David Cook. After he left some new pastor showed up and he was a prick,yeah Witnesses are weird but you shouldn't call them out during a sermon, so that was the last time we went to church.
/Boring story sis.
 
2013-07-03 02:06:52 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?


yes, and vise versa, a married couple are as one, they are both responsable for each others actions and words.
 
2013-07-03 02:08:02 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]


those two guys ran a blog that was in important part of the SBC moving in a more biblical, less hypocritical direction some years ago. They are really good, and funny dudes.
 
2013-07-03 02:08:14 PM
The Messenger, which has a pay-per-view website, has received two letters to the editor, one criticizing the column and one supporting it.

Wow, now THAT'S a high traffic kind of place... Definitely the kind of negative response that costs you your job, right? 1 complaint?
 
2013-07-03 02:09:11 PM

xkillyourfacex: Lionel Mandrake: "Jesus, a woman said somehing we didn't like.  What should we do?"

"Turn the other cheek.  Fire her husband"

Yeah, sounds about right.

I see nothing wrong with this. Jesus declared people unworthy to lead in the faith all the time. Quit telling us how to run our own religion, jerk.


But the problem is that the PASTOR isn't the one who said it.

Besides, are you Jesus?
 
2013-07-03 02:09:49 PM
Lionel Mandrake:
"Jesus, a woman said somehing we didn't like.  What should we do?"

"Turn the other cheek.  Fire her husband"

Yeah, sounds about right.


A pastor is expected to have a strong Godly hand, and maintain his woman's submission to his authority, in accordance with Biblical principles.

1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV)
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Since he permitted her access to writing materials and then didn't beat her with a rod no thicker than his thumb for publishing this, he is obviously weak and unfit to lead the sheep of Christ.
 
2013-07-03 02:12:43 PM

agsfark: Ow! That was my feelings!: bwahahahaa!
[www.stevekmccoy.com image 470x576]

those two guys ran a blog that was in important part of the SBC moving in a more biblical, less hypocritical direction some years ago. They are really good, and funny dudes.


link?
 
2013-07-03 02:14:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?


Clearly you've read the Apostle Paul, history's first recorded BDSM Kink-positive holy man (though a lot people think he took the whole "Gorean" sub-fetish a bit too far):
Colossians 3:17
"Wives, Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.  "

1 Corinthians 13:24 "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says "

1 Timothy 2:12 " do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. "
 
2013-07-03 02:14:57 PM
Woman tells truth about religious people. Religious people respond by portraying the same negative behavior they always do and taking petty revenge.

Just another day in the world.
 
2013-07-03 02:16:20 PM

doubled99: Briefly worked at a strip club in Atlanta in the nineties. Business went up about 300% every year the week of the Southern Baptist Convention. Best week of the year.


When you say "Briefly worked at a strip club" you mean...
 
2013-07-03 02:19:15 PM

RealAmericanHero: Woman tells truth about religious people. Religious people respond by portraying the same negative behavior they always do and taking petty revenge.

Just another day in the world.


Yup. With some of those churches if you aren't dressed the right way they talk shiat about you. Growing up my fiance had a seizure at a church him and his mom went to and they asked her not to come back. He was just a little kid who was having a seizure,he didn't need their bullshiat. He's never been back to a church since and I can't blame him because I know how those kind of churches filled with assholes like that work.
 
2013-07-03 02:24:31 PM
Not seeing a lot of loving your neighbor or turning the other cheek here. Or any sort of forgiveness. Real Christian.
 
2013-07-03 02:26:14 PM
Ah, Southern Baptists.  Where the deacons meet to vote whether those two half-negro children can attend church because mixing of the races is a sin according to the bible.  Full black is fine.
 
2013-07-03 02:31:29 PM

Bloody William: Not seeing a lot of loving your neighbor or turning the other cheek here. Or any sort of forgiveness. Real Christian.


Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it. That's why the first step of your typical born-again evangelist is to get you to admit to being a sinner. Saying "I didn't do anything wrong" and not groveling is a sure-fire way to find yourself out on your ass.

/ This is also why churches "accept" gay people on the condition that they admit they're horrible and promise to never have sex
 
2013-07-03 02:32:53 PM

joeflood: Ah, Southern Baptists.  Where the deacons meet to vote whether those two half-negro children can attend church because mixing of the races is a sin according to the bible.  Full black is fine.


Ya'll remember that story a while back about the church in Kentucky that wouldn't let the interracial couple attend? I know Ticha and I swear it's sad cause he's the most polite and sweetest guy. He went to college with my sister.
 
2013-07-03 02:32:54 PM

Magorn: Timothy 2:12


Weird how Jesus didn't say any of that, isn't it. hmmmm

advancedfootwork.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-03 02:42:19 PM
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2013-07-03 02:45:41 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it.


I'm no Christian by any means, but I used to be for a time and still know some, and I can say at least for a non-denominational protestant that is not how it works.
 
2013-07-03 02:50:23 PM

Lionel Mandrake: "Jesus, a woman said somehing we didn't like.  What should we do?"

"Turn the other cheek.  Fire her husband"

Yeah, sounds about right.


THIS

/subby
 
2013-07-03 02:50:44 PM
Nuts. Try again.

1.bp.blogspot.com
This is a photo off of Bill Thomas's facebook page. He is only an associate pastor at his church, and handles the music. He also teaches music down at the local community college. He has three kids, two boys about scouting age. Both he and his wife seem like really nice folks. I hope the local church defends him.
 
2013-07-03 02:56:20 PM

Bloody William: Not seeing a lot of loving your neighbor or turning the other cheek here. Or any sort of forgiveness. Real Christian.


You know what the Bible says about not forgiving people, don't you?
i402.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-03 02:58:39 PM

doubled99: Briefly worked at a strip club in Atlanta in the nineties. Business went up about 300% every year the week of the Southern Baptist Convention. Best week of the year.


I always made sure to take two baptists on the houseboat for parties. If I only took one he'd drink all the beer.
 
2013-07-03 03:01:41 PM
Southern Ochsner Baptist

FTFY

/inside n'awlins joke
 
2013-07-03 03:03:40 PM
I grew up with those a******s as well. My father, who used to be a deacon and a highly respected member of the church in town was ostrasized and our entire family was viewed as breaking the faith when we moved out of town to the nearby country. The pastor gave two sermons in which my family was vilified to the entire town. What was our horrible crime?

We decided to attend the church that was a mile down the road as opposed to driving the four miles to the one in town. The church that was always considered the 'sister' church to the one in town, and used to have functions together to save money. After that, my father became an abusive alcoholic and pretty much lost everything. I wish he had had the courage to say STFU to those worthless baptists for trying to hurt him just because we were doing the same thing the two churches did... trying to save gas money.

All baptists... ALL BAPTISTS... are worthless di***ads...
 
2013-07-03 03:03:46 PM

Martian_Astronomer: arashinogarou: mafiageek1980: Valiente: mafiageek1980: I thought it was pretty damn cool to see her Husband defend her and stuff. Go lady! More Christians should be like them!

Get real: If more Christians were like them, there would be fewer Christians, and who wants a smaller sponge?

You think? I mean, I thought the whole message of being a Christian is love?

If you're a true Christian, that is, a follower of the teachings of Christ, then yes it is. He told his followers to love one another as they love themselves, and spoke against the hatred and vitriol of the church of his day. He even flipped some tables at a synagogue, such was his contempt for the religious leadership back then.

Unfortunately a large number of today's "Christians" are actually a bunch of heathens still worshiping some god from the Old Testament, including his lust for blood, hatred of any race (tribe) but his own, and propensity for striking dead anyone who comes within a mile of breaking one of the ten commandments. That was a hateful, vengeful, spiteful god yet we are supposed to believe it is the same god who fathered Christ, the most loving and humble human ever to walk the earth (if the New Testament is accurate).

You do realize that a very large chunk of the New Testament, including rhe sayings atrributed to Jesus, can be summarized as "get your shiat together,because divinely-mandated ass-kickings are going to be dispensed in the near future," don't you? The Sermon on the Mount is a very small part of the book of Matthew...


Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.
 
2013-07-03 03:05:20 PM

arashinogarou: Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.


Yes, because infinite torture for finite crimes is "love."

The NT is more obscene than the OT by infinity.
 
2013-07-03 03:05:42 PM

RealAmericanHero: Martian_Astronomer: Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it.

I'm no Christian by any means, but I used to be for a time and still know some, and I can say at least for a non-denominational protestant that is not how it works.


I was simplifying, and lost some nuance in doing so, but I do stand by that. The first step in "the ABC's" is "admit that you're a sinner" which is one of the first bits of pop-theology that springs to mind. Other examples showing this as a model for salvation include the story of the Prodigal Son, and the idea that Jesus died to save everyone, but he'll still punish you until you "accept" his forgiveness.

The main bit of nuance I left out was the difference between when God forgives you and whether or not you're supposed to forgive others if they haven't apologized. However, as far as church discipline is concerned, Paul devoted the better part of a chapter in one of his epistles to the proper way to confront a church member for wrong doctrine then toss them out if they don't repent. If you want citations, I can get them for you later.

/ other bits of nuance I left out include the discussion of not sinning as a condition of salvation vs not sinning as the evidence that you're "truely" saved
 
2013-07-03 03:06:18 PM
Why don't Baptists Fark standing up?

Because it might lead to dancing.
 
2013-07-03 03:07:23 PM
"I don't censor what my wife does"

He's doomed with the SBC leadership.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 03:09:22 PM

RealAmericanHero: Martian_Astronomer: Eh, forgiveness in Christanity is contingent on 1.) Repentence and 2.) Begging for it.

I'm no Christian by any means, but I used to be for a time and still know some, and I can say at least for a non-denominational protestant that is not how it works.


You're right. Repentance is a change of mind; a will to do what is right. It isn't begging God to forgive you constantly after each and every mistake or sin you've commit. This is why the Gospel, at least in the King James Bible, says that belief is sufficient. Today's modern translations wash down that message and introduce works-based or performance-based salvation. That is another gospel, and the Bible doesn't say very nice things about those who preach another gospel.
 
2013-07-03 03:10:51 PM

Halophilic: arashinogarou: Sorry, I guess I should have bolded it. I said if the New Testament is accurate . I didn't say any of it was true, just an observation of how different "god" is between the two parts of the bible and how modern Christians are quicker to hate like OT god than love like NT god.

Yes, because infinite torture for finite crimes is "love."

The NT is more obscene than the OT by infinity.


Hey, I was just contrasting OT god's "kill, crush, destroy each other" mentality with NT god's "love each other" mentality. But you do make a good point.
 
2013-07-03 03:11:12 PM
I gotta remind people that the southern baptist convention was created to support slavery.  Their church is built on evil.
 
2013-07-03 03:14:13 PM

Martian_Astronomer: My parents left the church they'd been attending for the better part of 20 years when the pastor made a reference to God punishing people who partake in communion "in an unworthy manner" by making them sick. That pastor and the pastors before him had quoted the same scriptures to make the same point many times while I attended that church as a child, along with a lot of pious rhetoric about how "the prayer of faith will heal the sick," etc.

It was the same message that had been preached from the same pulpit dozens of times, but my parents objected to it that time because my mother was dying of cancer, and they interpreted the message as a backhanded way of implying that she hadn't been healed because she was insufficiently pious or didn't have enough faith.

When my dad told me the story several years after she died, I didn't have a response - at least not one I could tell him. On the one hand, having experienced religious "friends" turn on me overnight when I left Christianity, I knew precisely how horrible it can be. On the other hand, my parents had been in complete agreement with the doctrine of this church as for the better part of 20 years as they promoted it to all their friends, subjected their kids to pious mindfarking, and shunned other families who left the church over other disagreements. It hadn't even occurred to them that there might be a problem until the lens of ecclesial disapproval was turned on them. To this day, I still can't productively discuss the issue with my dad.

My point is: when you participate in an organization that eats its wounded, don't be surprised if it happens to you.

/ lots of you are now thinking "my church isn't lke that"
// many of you are in for a rude awakening


Sorry to hear that.  Not all churches are like that.  Ours was very supportive when my mom was sick.

/UCC
//We're a pretty progressive denomination
///We support gay marriage and sex education, among other things
 
2013-07-03 03:15:32 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Satanic_Hamster: Page isn't loading for me.  Don't suppose I could get a summary?

I finally got through it was pretty anti-climactic.  Basically she criticized the southern baptists for criticizing the boy scouts for allowing gay kids to join. They didn't like it and asked her husband to resign.

So, she acted like an actual Christian and they acted like a bunch of hypocrites. Seems to me they should be the ones resigning. Turn in your casserole dishes at the door...or go join the bigoted idiots in Topeka--declare your crazy for everyone to see and make your hatred and anti-Christianity abundantly clear instead of clothing it in respectability.

So what they're saying is that the husband is responsible for everything the wife does...?  What's he supposed to be, follow her around and approve all her writings first?


Actually, I've met people who believe this very thing.


/creepy...
 
2013-07-03 03:16:05 PM
PSA: The type of tight sphinctered SB that worry TeleTubbies are servants of the devil.
Have no sense of humor.
 
2013-07-03 03:19:33 PM
Q: Why do you always take TWO Southern Baptists fishing with you?

A: 'Cause if you only take one, he'll drink all of your beer.
 
2013-07-03 03:23:35 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Wellon Dowd: Sure, God set us above the animals and gave us a brain, but He doesn't want us to use it.

Every religion points to getting smart (separating from the animals) as the cause of our 'problems.'


I think the point is usually that, in the absence of free will, there can be no sin. Not that lack of free will is better, just that free will carries some responsibilities.
 
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