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(NPR)   That nineteen year-old jailed for making threats to shoot up a school on Facebook is getting beat up behind bars, but according to parents we should all feel sorry for him and overlook the whole making threats thing   (npr.org) divider line 62
    More: Followup, Facebook, Mr. Carter, solitary confinement, New Braunfels, terroristic threats  
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2013-07-03 08:31:22 AM  
11 votes:
Oh BS. they arrested him, searched his house found no weapons, no plans, no intent whatsoever. If you're ok with living in an age where you can be thrown in jail for a long period of time solely over shiat you post on Facebook, why dont you just move to China, subby?

This is a goddamned travesty and I hope the kid gets rich of it.
2013-07-03 08:41:03 AM  
5 votes:
Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.
2013-07-03 08:32:41 AM  
5 votes:
Jesus.  We have lost our farking minds in this country.
2013-07-03 08:30:32 AM  
5 votes:
Isn't jail time a little extreme for using Facebook?
2013-07-03 08:48:30 AM  
4 votes:

FarknGroovn: The article says that they stripped him down and threw him in solitary.  I have a feeling that this is not the type of thing that happens when you behave yourself.


Sounds like he threatened suicide after being abused, or raped, by fellow inmates.
2013-07-03 08:45:54 AM  
4 votes:

Kirzania: HotWingConspiracy: I don't read that as a threat.

FTFA: In April, a grand jury in Comal County, Texas, indicted Carter on a charge of making a terroristic threat, and a judge set bail at $500,000.

I'm sorry, threat? "Terroristic" threat? This is a word now? I want to know how "I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten" manages to qualify as terrorism? I mean, looking.. The kid was being dumb. Expel him from school or make him do community service. Way to blow this out of proportion. Also, how is bail for this half a mil? Because they call it terrorism?
..... Is terrorism our new marketing hot button word that we can apply to anything now?


And yet, based on Newtown, Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc *actually* committing a mass shooting isn't considered terrorism.
2013-07-03 08:34:29 AM  
4 votes:

Carth: Did he own or have access to any guns? teenagers say stupid shiat all the time most of them think about 5 minutes after they talk.


Nope, they searched his house and found nothing. Also, the post said "just kidding" or something. ITT: People in this country are retarded.
2013-07-03 08:41:23 AM  
3 votes:
Texas, where brains come to die.
2013-07-03 08:33:59 AM  
3 votes:
He hasn't even been found guilty in court for his ... typing of things.  But yeah, he should be repeatedly physically battered.
2013-07-03 08:31:26 AM  
3 votes:
Assault is assault, even if the victim is a douche.
2013-07-03 11:47:48 AM  
2 votes:

Rurouni: Folks. I challenge you:

Go to an airport and at the security checkpoints, loudly announce that you have a bomb or that you're going to shoot up the terminal. Then follow that up by "haha JK for reals". See where that gets you.

Saying JK doesn't absolve you from your previous retarded statements. I do agree that this is heavy handed justice in the extreme. I still think this kid was being a stupid little shiat - but at most he should have just gotten a slap on the wrist...or I don't know, one of those scared straight specials where inmates scream at you and stuff.


Facebook is not an airport?
2013-07-03 11:44:52 AM  
2 votes:
fastfxr

Hope he spends a year in jail. It's called a crime

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2013-07-03 09:55:16 AM  
2 votes:

Farktastic: However, I really can't muster one ounce of sympathy for this colossal shiathead. Anyone of legal age who cannot put together cause and effect at this stage of life deserves a severe lesson in reality. Want to threaten the death of children? Guess what? You go where the other child killers are.


You're an idiot who needs a lesson in context.
2013-07-03 08:57:48 AM  
2 votes:
so much for any kind of freedom of speech


and yes this farking counts as freedom of speech.. if there is clearly no intent behind the threat it is not a real farking threat
2013-07-03 08:53:52 AM  
2 votes:
§ 22.07. TERRORISTIC THREAT. (a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to: (1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies; (2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury; (3) prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building, room, place of assembly, place to which the public has access, place of employment or occupation, aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance, or other public place; (4) cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service; (5) place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or (6) influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state. 

I really want to know how law enforcement can determine he intended any of those things.  I don't think he expected a reaction from the police, so we can rule #1 out.  After investigating and finding no plans, means, or intent to actually place anyone in danger, and given the context of his comments we can rule #2, #3, #4 and #5 out.  Since this was not a political statement aimed at influencing any governmental entity, we can rule #6 out.

How is this guy in jail again?

If sarcasm is a farking crime, fark should be in jail.
2013-07-03 08:52:29 AM  
2 votes:
FTFA: "He's been put in solitary confinement, nude, for days on end because he's depressed."

Nothing chases the blues away quite like solitary confinement.
2013-07-03 08:44:23 AM  
2 votes:

enderthexenocide: but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.


The same kind that lives at home playing League of Legends at age 19
2013-07-03 08:41:23 AM  
2 votes:

enderthexenocide: but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions


He was probably pretty sure that a Facebook post didn't warrant jailtime. He underestimated the stupidity of Texas.
2013-07-03 08:39:38 AM  
2 votes:
part of me thinks that this is a travesty of justice, and the authorities are willing to destroy the life of some kid just to show how tough they are on crime, even though the kid was a threat to nobody.

but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.
2013-07-03 08:37:59 AM  
2 votes:
It was a farking joke you goddamn jackass subby.
2013-07-03 08:35:20 AM  
2 votes:
Heard the story on my way into work today and this is some pretty much a giant farking bullshiat craptastic travesty.

Of course, its Texas and to be fair I'm not sure we can trust you guys with anything down there.
2013-07-03 08:34:47 AM  
2 votes:
I don't read that as a threat.
2013-07-03 08:32:28 AM  
2 votes:
Some kid got expelled for "planning" a school shooting in a private chat room when I was in high school.  I remember people thinking that was excessive.
2013-07-03 10:10:41 PM  
1 votes:

Bravo Two: kosherkow: no specific school, no weapons, no plan... where's the evidence?

the kid said something stupid, nothing more.  If he wasnt serious about an act of violence before, i'm sure he is now.

way to go texas

And next time some jackass goes and kills a school, you and a million more will find his comments and scream about why no one did anything before he did it.


"Eh, some punk-ass kid made a gamer-type joke on Facebook. We'd better lock him up before somebody biatches about it. And we'd better set the bail high before the 'Think of the Children!!!!!' brigade marches in."
2013-07-03 06:45:26 PM  
1 votes:

IRQ12: We need to start rounding up people who joke about all crimes


Well, there goes Fark.
2013-07-03 06:41:20 PM  
1 votes:

Bravo Two: kosherkow: no specific school, no weapons, no plan... where's the evidence?

the kid said something stupid, nothing more.  If he wasnt serious about an act of violence before, i'm sure he is now.

way to go texas

And next time some jackass goes and kills a school, you and a million more will find his comments and scream about why no one did anything before he did it.


Exactly, better we jail as many innocents as possible lest one guilt go free.

We need to start rounding up people who joke about all crimes.
2013-07-03 05:12:30 PM  
1 votes:
That's pretty messed up.  I think the kid just made some poorly thought out angry remarks.  I don't think he was serious.  I do think prison should be a form of punishment, but he hasn't even gone to trial yet let alone been convicted and even so, beatings by other prisoners falls outside of the scope of sentencing and should be considered cruel and unusual.  If prison officials cannot ensure the safety of prisoners, there's something seriously wrong.

He's probably a pretty normal kid and sending him to prison isn't keeping anyone safe or doing him any good.  I would release him and maybe send him to a shrink who could probably confirm that he just said some off the cuff shiat.
2013-07-03 04:04:56 PM  
1 votes:

Bravo Two: And next time some jackass goes and kills a school, you and a million more will find his comments and scream about why no one did anything before he did it.


JuggleGeek: To hear you guys talk about it, terrorists don't need to hide until after they've blown crap up. They can talk about it openly until then because until the BOOM, it doesn't count.


You both are farking idiots.
2013-07-03 03:31:26 PM  
1 votes:
no specific school, no weapons, no plan... where's the evidence?

the kid said something stupid, nothing more.  If he wasnt serious about an act of violence before, i'm sure he is now.

way to go texas
2013-07-03 12:18:49 PM  
1 votes:

PanicAttack: I heard the interview on NPR this morning. It's ridiculous the parents are blaming the Internet "subculture" regarding trash-talking.

What says more about this case is the kid is 19, living at home, and appears to be socially immature for his age. Since it's Texas of course they threw him in prison. Therapy and community service would have been the best option for this kid so he can understand the differences between threatening to kill children and teabagging your mom.

/my 2 cents
//worth nothing


The kid is 19, has full time employment and an employer willing to keep his position open for him, and had his own apartment.
2013-07-03 11:55:21 AM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: But is getting raped? Because, you know, everyone in prison should be raped as part of their incarceration.

/but who rapes the rapists?


The Watchmen.
2013-07-03 11:53:12 AM  
1 votes:
Rurouni
2013-07-03 11:44:59 AM


Folks. I challenge you:

Go to an airport and at the security checkpoints, loudly announce that you have a bomb or that you're going to shoot up the terminal. Then follow that up by "haha JK for reals". See where that gets you.

Saying JK doesn't absolve you from your previous retarded statements.

He was in an airport?

It was sarcasm. It was clear to any thinking individual that it was sarcasm in response to some fool calling him names.

Finally.
8th amendment is quite clear:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
2013-07-03 11:28:57 AM  
1 votes:
Context is everything (or should be) in cases involving threats.  If there is a reason to believe that the threat is realistic then it should be prosecuted.  If no rational person would feel afraid of the threat (telling someone on the other side of a 1,000 foot wide river that you're going to throw a rock at them) then it's not criminal.

If the threat wasn't reasonably likely to be carried out, then the most they should have done is yelled at him, maybe arrested him, then let him go.  Prison space is waaaaay to valuable to waste on internet-yelling.
2013-07-03 10:57:40 AM  
1 votes:
This is absolutely unbelievable. We have completely lost our farking minds in this country. Is the kid an idiot? Yes. Shouldn't he know better in a post 9/11 world? Yes. Should he be placed in jail as a terrorist, given a bail so high his family could never afford to pay it, and spend months being abused and put in solitary as a result of him being 'depressed'? NO. In other news, how could the kid possibly NOT be depressed? He made a stupid comment online and is now being treated like a resident of Syria!

What has happened to my country? In thinking back to when I was a kid and all the crazy shiat we drew on paper and said to each other, I think most every boy I knew growing up in the 70's and 80's would be a 'terrorist' by today's standards. I suppose this is what we get for letting the government prey on fear to get something like the 'Patriot Act' passed through Congress without mass public outcry.

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2013-07-03 10:33:56 AM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Oh BS. they arrested him, searched his house found no weapons, no plans, no intent whatsoever. If you're ok with living in an age where you can be thrown in jail for a long period of time solely over shiat you post on Facebook, why dont you just move to China, subby?

This is a goddamned travesty and I hope the kid gets rich of it.


Agreed.  With all the stupid crap we say in Fark threads it's amazing we're not all incarcerated.
2013-07-03 10:32:38 AM  
1 votes:

Justice By Zig: give me doughnuts: This kind of crap is why we need a font or punctiation symbol for sarcasm or snark.

The kid followed up his comment with "LOL, jk", but the idiot that reported him probably thinks that means "Lucifer Our Lord, jesus kills" or some other stupid crap.

Oh, so he definitely didnt mean the killing kids part, but you're positive that his LOL, j/k was sincere.

It wasn't funny, and he's learning his comedic chops the hard way. Tough tits.


Yes, and so is anyone with a functioning brain and a crumb of common sense .
It wasn't funny, but the proper response is "Dude, not funny." or "Dick move. Too soon."  Not arrest, jail time, Bubba the Lonely Cell-Mate, and naked solitary.
2013-07-03 10:25:40 AM  
1 votes:

Justice By Zig: Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?

How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.


Because if you don't have anything to back it up, i.e., you've taken no actions towards that end, it's just empty words, not a threat. And he had no guns, no plans, nothing. It was a stupid, idiotic joke. We used to take those things as jokes, call the person an idiot, and move on.
2013-07-03 10:21:16 AM  
1 votes:

Justice By Zig: Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?

How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.


Because in the context of the post it clearly wasn't a threat. That is my position. The context of the sentence protects it. Also, I never called you any names, did I? If so, apologies.


Dimming: Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future. You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.

If they are gone, it's apathetic assholes like you who let them go.
2013-07-03 10:16:08 AM  
1 votes:

Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.


I am holding my breath waiting to find out how many of the twitterers exclaiming they will kill George Zimmerman if he walks or threatening to riot have been arrested for making those threats.  My guess is that the number is somewhere between 0 and 0.
2013-07-03 10:11:05 AM  
1 votes:
This article doesn't even touch on the real story of what happened when he made that comment. It's completely out of context.
2013-07-03 10:00:54 AM  
1 votes:
Another story highlighting the urgent need for a globally recognized sarcastic font.

/jk
2013-07-03 09:56:35 AM  
1 votes:

Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.


You have been reported to your local law enforcement for advocating violence against children.
2013-07-03 09:55:59 AM  
1 votes:

Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.


This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?
2013-07-03 09:48:20 AM  
1 votes:
jesus. good thing the kid isn't black - he'd end up on death row!
2013-07-03 09:46:47 AM  
1 votes:

Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.


Read what you've written again. Jesus, dude. I can say any goddamned thing I want...ESPECIALLY in jest.
2013-07-03 09:44:11 AM  
1 votes:
Bruce Campbell

How is this guy in jail again?
Because the terrorists have won.
the US is now a police state.
2013-07-03 09:40:12 AM  
1 votes:

enderthexenocide: but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.


Because you've been trained, that's why. Sit, Fido.
2013-07-03 09:30:18 AM  
1 votes:

Kirzania: ..... Is terrorism our new marketing hot button word that we can apply to anything now?


Why, yes.  Yes, it certainly is.

The whole point is to shock these kids, and by extension the entire community, to never, ever express any thought that could be outrageous or out-of-line, regardless of context or intent.  Shut up and be quiet, citizens.

Of course, that won't stop any such thoughts, be it stupid kid trash-talk, extreme social and political opinions, etc.  You'll just have to bottle them up inside you and never express them.  No chance at all to ever blow off steam without risking the automatic paranoid reaction of the secret police.  With predictable results.

When there aren't enough real-world terrorists to justify the bloated "security" budget, they will do everything in their power to create them.
2013-07-03 09:12:17 AM  
1 votes:
"The purpose of these prosecutions is to undermine the First Amendment guarantee of free speech and pave the way for the criminalization of political dissent."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/29/cart-j29.html


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2013-07-03 09:04:17 AM  
1 votes:
Pure hilarity.  They are going to end up paying him millions in a settlement for all of this roughhousing and heavy handed justice.  This is just kinda sad.  As always the main idea should be context and intent.  And besides, I see waaaay worse stuff posted online on a daily basis.  Why not hang out at theync.com or worldstarhiphop.com or hell, youtube (if you can read spanish).  Hope everyone comes out of this with a heaping dose of common sense.  It already sounds like little Billy has probably learned his lesson.  He will quickly forget that lesson when he has 3.5 mil in his pocket after the settlement.  He can buy all of the wonderful things you don't want him to have ;)  This is why we need to bring back Yo Momma insults.
2013-07-03 08:59:19 AM  
1 votes:
People shouldn't be beat up in Prison, and they certainly shouldn't be hurt while in Jail.

Especially when it was a comment on FB with what appears to be absolutely no intent to follow through.
2013-07-03 08:57:27 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:"I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten / And watch the blood of the innocent rain down/ And eat the beating heart of one of them." The father also says this was followed by a JK (undetermined).

The amount of hyperbole here is astounding.  How did they take this kid seriously?  Why didn't he just say "and then I shall become the president of the United States".  He didn't state any specific school and he mentions eating the beating heart..lol
2013-07-03 08:56:21 AM  
1 votes:
This kind of crap is why we need a font or punctiation symbol for sarcasm or snark.

The kid followed up his comment with "LOL, jk", but the idiot that reported him probably thinks that means "Lucifer Our Lord, jesus kills" or some other stupid crap.
2013-07-03 08:47:38 AM  
1 votes:
The article says that they stripped him down and threw him in solitary.  I have a feeling that this is not the type of thing that happens when you behave yourself.
2013-07-03 08:46:57 AM  
1 votes:
So despite have no guns, no bomb-making equipment, no plans he's in jail...outrage!

Oh wait, he's a gamer and was "playing the online game League of Legends, where the community trash-talking can get quite toxic"...hang the little miscreant.

/sarcasm
//seriously NPR, WTF?
2013-07-03 08:44:31 AM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Carth: Did he own or have access to any guns? teenagers say stupid shiat all the time most of them think about 5 minutes after they talk.

Nope, they searched his house and found nothing. Also, the post said "just kidding" or something. ITT: People in this country are retarded.


The woman that contacted the police was Canadian. I've been reading about this since it happened.

The kids were trash talking, one of the other kids said something about how the "criminal" was acting crazy and his response was to post something on FB. He and the kid were friends on FB. In earlier stories his FB comment was clearly related to the conversation from the online game.

He's an idiot, but being an idiot is still legal most of the time.
2013-07-03 08:44:16 AM  
1 votes:

enderthexenocide: part of me thinks that this is a travesty of justice, and the authorities are willing to destroy the life of some kid just to show how tough they are on crime, even though the kid was a threat to nobody.

but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.


Plenty of teenagers on Xbox live think it is ok to say they are going to have forced sexual relations with me, my mother, or sometimes my grandmother. While annoying I don't think they should be thrown in jail for it.
2013-07-03 08:43:00 AM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Oh BS. they arrested him, searched his house found no weapons, no plans, no intent whatsoever. If you're ok with living in an age where you can be thrown in jail for a long period of time solely over shiat you post on Facebook, why dont you just move to China, subby?

This is a goddamned travesty and I hope the kid gets rich of it.


/Indeed. Although in this day and age, i can see them taking seriously a "terroristic threat", them investigating and finding no evidence of intent beyond a douchbag comment, they should have just fined him, or given him community service.  Jail time, no matter how much of a jackass he was for making the comment, is a bit harsh.  Esp a year.  Now, if they had found a ninja outfit, AR-15, and tons of ammo, plans of a school, yes...jail time.  But this is not unlike arresting someone and jailing them for a "thought crime".  If i say I'm going to rob a bank, will i get arrested and thrown in prison for a comment?  Just wondering how much this new "slippery slope" goes.

/And no...im not robbing a bank.
2013-07-03 08:41:59 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: I don't read that as a threat.


FTFA: In April, a grand jury in Comal County, Texas, indicted Carter on a charge of making a terroristic threat, and a judge set bail at $500,000.

I'm sorry, threat? "Terroristic" threat? This is a word now? I want to know how "I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten" manages to qualify as terrorism? I mean, looking.. The kid was being dumb. Expel him from school or make him do community service. Way to blow this out of proportion. Also, how is bail for this half a mil? Because they call it terrorism?
..... Is terrorism our new marketing hot button word that we can apply to anything now?
2013-07-03 08:39:41 AM  
1 votes:
So you can go to jail for being an ITG?
2013-07-03 08:32:21 AM  
1 votes:
Did he own or have access to any guns? teenagers say stupid shiat all the time most of them think about 5 minutes after they talk.
2013-07-03 08:31:01 AM  
1 votes:
At the rate this is going, anyone with an XBL account will run the risk of going to jail.
 
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