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(NPR)   That nineteen year-old jailed for making threats to shoot up a school on Facebook is getting beat up behind bars, but according to parents we should all feel sorry for him and overlook the whole making threats thing   ( npr.org) divider line
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2013-07-03 10:09:54 AM  
People take their gaming seriously, and otherwise civil people will say vitriolic and over-the-top things in game when they are getting their ass handed to them
 
2013-07-03 10:11:05 AM  
This article doesn't even touch on the real story of what happened when he made that comment. It's completely out of context.
 
2013-07-03 10:11:10 AM  

Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?


How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.
 
2013-07-03 10:11:27 AM  

NewWorldDan: I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten
And watch the blood of the innocent rain down
And eat the beating heart of one of them

Come and arrest me too.  In fact, every Farker in Texas should post that to their Facebook page.

 
2013-07-03 10:13:40 AM  

Madbassist1: Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.

Read what you've written again. Jesus, dude. I can say any goddamned thing I want...ESPECIALLY in jest.


Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future.  You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:08 AM  

Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.


I am holding my breath waiting to find out how many of the twitterers exclaiming they will kill George Zimmerman if he walks or threatening to riot have been arrested for making those threats.  My guess is that the number is somewhere between 0 and 0.
 
2013-07-03 10:21:16 AM  

Justice By Zig: Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?

How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.


Because in the context of the post it clearly wasn't a threat. That is my position. The context of the sentence protects it. Also, I never called you any names, did I? If so, apologies.


Dimming: Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future. You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.

If they are gone, it's apathetic assholes like you who let them go.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:40 AM  

Justice By Zig: Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?

How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.


Because if you don't have anything to back it up, i.e., you've taken no actions towards that end, it's just empty words, not a threat. And he had no guns, no plans, nothing. It was a stupid, idiotic joke. We used to take those things as jokes, call the person an idiot, and move on.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:43 AM  

Plissken: It's a slippery slope.

On one hand, he doesn't seem to have access to weapons; apparently didn't make any plans to carry out such an attack; and generally it just seems to be a dumb teenager's online rant.
On the other hand, with the relatively recent mass school shootings around the country, if they hadn't arrested the kid and he HAD done something, the media/public outrage would have shaken the public safety and judicial systems enough that there would have been mass firings or someone in a position of authority would have been scapegoated and crucified.
All the same, the imprisonment and ridiculously high bail are reactionary, unnecessary, and unwarranted. The kid is in the system now and house arrest while awaiting trial should surely be sufficient. There is no reason to destroy this boy's life over what is highly likely to be just a kid writing stupid things on the Internet.
If the kid DID write "jk" after his little rant and the prosecutor is choosing to belittle or ignore the significance of such a disclaimer, then it's just another asswipe lawyer trying to make a name for himself.
Kids say stupid things all the time, and in my opinion, he should be psych evaluated, his friends and family should be interviewed, and he should just be released if common sense dictates that there was never any real threat.
But shucks, this is TX. We love locking people up here, especially if we get to execute them


Hey, if I know anything about Texas, I know that Texans appreciate the sanctity of human life... right up until they can execute it!
 
2013-07-03 10:29:40 AM  

Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: Madbassist1: Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.

This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?

How is that a lie? Or will you just resort to name calling again, rather than exercise your brain? Which is what this kid should have done.

Because in the context of the post it clearly wasn't a threat. That is my position. The context of the sentence protects it. Also, I never called you any names, did I? If so, apologies.


Dimming: Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future. You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.
If they are gone, it's apathetic assholes like you who let them go.


Maybe it's not that I've let them go (whatever that means), but that I'm smart enough to understand what's appropriate to say - you know, because I'm an adult and know when not to say stupid shiat in public.  You go ahead with your bad self though.
 
2013-07-03 10:32:38 AM  

Justice By Zig: give me doughnuts: This kind of crap is why we need a font or punctiation symbol for sarcasm or snark.

The kid followed up his comment with "LOL, jk", but the idiot that reported him probably thinks that means "Lucifer Our Lord, jesus kills" or some other stupid crap.

Oh, so he definitely didnt mean the killing kids part, but you're positive that his LOL, j/k was sincere.

It wasn't funny, and he's learning his comedic chops the hard way. Tough tits.


Yes, and so is anyone with a functioning brain and a crumb of common sense .
It wasn't funny, but the proper response is "Dude, not funny." or "Dick move. Too soon."  Not arrest, jail time, Bubba the Lonely Cell-Mate, and naked solitary.
 
2013-07-03 10:32:49 AM  
You are threatening to mass murder kindergarten age kids, and want sympathy?

/Sorry, tough guy, you are own your own.  Rot.
 
2013-07-03 10:33:56 AM  

Madbassist1: Oh BS. they arrested him, searched his house found no weapons, no plans, no intent whatsoever. If you're ok with living in an age where you can be thrown in jail for a long period of time solely over shiat you post on Facebook, why dont you just move to China, subby?

This is a goddamned travesty and I hope the kid gets rich of it.


Agreed.  With all the stupid crap we say in Fark threads it's amazing we're not all incarcerated.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:16 AM  

Dimming: because I'm an adult and know when not to say stupid shiat in public.


Yeah, about that claim....
 
2013-07-03 10:35:46 AM  

Madbassist1: Dimming: Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future. You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.
If they are gone, it's apathetic assholes like you who let them go.


You talk loudly about your opinions on public transportation, dont you?
 
2013-07-03 10:36:56 AM  
To be fair to the inmates that is an extraordinarily punchable face.  I almost smacked my monitor.

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2013-07-03 10:37:46 AM  

FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.


Good luck getting him out of jail Tommy Toughnuts.  We're all impressed with how hardcore you are.
 
2013-07-03 10:39:46 AM  
Says more about Texas and the Texas prison system than it does about this kid's particular offense. What he said was incredibly offensive, IMO he should have spent a night in lockup, then been released on reasonable bail of a few thousand. The Texas law this applies is probably laughable, as is most things in Texas.

But when you threaten to murder school children in the manner in which he stated it - I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for you in light of recent tragedies. Does 'JK' invalidate a threat? I don't care if it was sarcasm, it was in incredibly poor taste, and he's not 13 years old.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:28 AM  

bdub77: Says more about Texas and the Texas prison system than it does about this kid's particular offense. What he said was incredibly offensive, IMO he should have spent a night in lockup, then been released on reasonable bail of a few thousand. The Texas law this applies is probably laughable, as is most things in Texas.

But when you threaten to murder school children in the manner in which he stated it - I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for you in light of recent tragedies. Does 'JK' invalidate a threat? I don't care if it was sarcasm, it was in incredibly poor taste, and he's not 13 years old.


I just finished watching a 'Hannibal' episode on tv - if I follow your logic not only should the authors, actors and backers be jailed but so should anyone who watches it.
 
2013-07-03 10:43:37 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.


A real ITG would take out a server room with a super soaker and some water balloons.
 
2013-07-03 10:44:38 AM  

enderthexenocide: part of me thinks that this is a travesty of justice, and the authorities are willing to destroy the life of some kid just to show how tough they are on crime, even though the kid was a threat to nobody.

but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.


Have you met any teenage boys? They're not exactly known for their good judgment.

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2013-07-03 10:48:05 AM  

FarknGroovn: The article says that they stripped him down and threw him in solitary.  I have a feeling that this is not the type of thing that happens when you behave yourself.


Suicide threat. Even a vague one (if they ask if you've ever felt like hurting yourself, say NO) will get you that treatment.
 
2013-07-03 10:49:01 AM  

bdub77: Says more about Texas and the Texas prison system than it does about this kid's particular offense. What he said was incredibly offensive, IMO he should have spent a night in lockup, then been released on reasonable bail of a few thousand.


They could have locked him up Otis the town drunk.  And then aunt bee could have made him some pie.
 
2013-07-03 10:53:39 AM  
Can we please give Texas back to Mexico now.
 
2013-07-03 10:53:47 AM  

Langdon_777: bdub77: Says more about Texas and the Texas prison system than it does about this kid's particular offense. What he said was incredibly offensive, IMO he should have spent a night in lockup, then been released on reasonable bail of a few thousand. The Texas law this applies is probably laughable, as is most things in Texas.

But when you threaten to murder school children in the manner in which he stated it - I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for you in light of recent tragedies. Does 'JK' invalidate a threat? I don't care if it was sarcasm, it was in incredibly poor taste, and he's not 13 years old.

I just finished watching a 'Hannibal' episode on tv - if I follow your logic not only should the authors, actors and backers be jailed but so should anyone who watches it.


You don't follow any logic. A TV show about a serial killer has no bearing on whether or not an individual who is not an actor, producer, TV show writer, or viewer of said TV show made what sounded like a threat on a public forum. Kids say stupid things. Adults say stupid things. I've said stupid things (reams of them). I've never said something so obscene or disgusting in my life. Kids planning to do horrible stuff happens all the time. In some cases, like the Boston Bombings or Sandy Hook, they actually carry out these threats.

Personally, I think he crossed the line. If what he said wasn't a threat, it was at the very least obscene. I think it would be sufficient to let someone know when they've crossed the line. I don't agree with the manner in which police and the judicial system felt it necessary to excessively punish the person, nor do I think I would ever want to live in Texas because the prison system there is so terrible. A night in jail? Meh. I'm not even sure that's necessary, especially in Texas. A strict talking to by a police officer? I think that's warranted. Sometimes kids need lessons to curb their judgment.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:30 AM  

RedT: Dimming: because I'm an adult and know when not to say stupid shiat in public.

Yeah, about that claim....


I'm simply pointing out that you can't say "whatever I want" in public, as illustrated over and over again in the news.

"Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law."

You might not agree with how this case was handled, but that doesn't make you right (and it doesn't make me right either - we just have differing opinions).
 
2013-07-03 10:57:40 AM  
This is absolutely unbelievable. We have completely lost our farking minds in this country. Is the kid an idiot? Yes. Shouldn't he know better in a post 9/11 world? Yes. Should he be placed in jail as a terrorist, given a bail so high his family could never afford to pay it, and spend months being abused and put in solitary as a result of him being 'depressed'? NO. In other news, how could the kid possibly NOT be depressed? He made a stupid comment online and is now being treated like a resident of Syria!

What has happened to my country? In thinking back to when I was a kid and all the crazy shiat we drew on paper and said to each other, I think most every boy I knew growing up in the 70's and 80's would be a 'terrorist' by today's standards. I suppose this is what we get for letting the government prey on fear to get something like the 'Patriot Act' passed through Congress without mass public outcry.

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2013-07-03 11:01:30 AM  

bdub77: Personally, I think he crossed the line. If what he said wasn't a threat, it was at the very least obscene. I think it would be sufficient to let someone know when they've crossed the line. I don't agree with the manner in which police and the judicial system felt it necessary to excessively punish the person, nor do I think I would ever want to live in Texas because the prison system there is so terrible. A night in jail? Meh. I'm not even sure that's necessary, especially in Texas. A strict talking to by a police officer? I think that's warranted. Sometimes kids need lessons to curb their judgment


Also a big time out from Facebook and online gaming. And, if you want to really get the point across, have him read a few letters from Newtown parents about why what he said was not cool, even in jest.
 
2013-07-03 11:07:12 AM  
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They must be pretty happy that a potential terrorist is behind bars right?  No.  Actually Fox News is pretty incensed that this guy is in prison and wants him released.

"Some days, solidarity comes from the unlikeliest places, with the unlikeliest of tones." -Kotaku
 
2013-07-03 11:10:03 AM  
While I think the punishment is a bit extreme, there are things you shouldn't joke about... killing children is one of them. There's no reason you should joke about killing children, or bringing a bomb on a plane or to a school etc... Hindsight is 20/20 for this kid, but c'mon man
 
2013-07-03 11:10:48 AM  

Madbassist1: Farktastic: However, I really can't muster one ounce of sympathy for this colossal shiathead. Anyone of legal age who cannot put together cause and effect at this stage of life deserves a severe lesson in reality. Want to threaten the death of children? Guess what? You go where the other child killers are.

You're an idiot who needs a lesson in context.


So let me get this straight... This asshat plays a game, leaves the game, posts a comment where most likely anyone can read it (teenagers like having hundreds of "friends" on Facebook and are notoriously bad at privacy settings) without referencing the game and threatens to murder a group of 5 year olds, and I am the idiot who needs a lesson in context? Need I remind you how many times Facebook has been used as evidence in any number of criminal investigations or the fact that if there is a hot button in law enforcement these days it is probably the mass murder of children?

Had he said it in the game where there was some context or tolerance for it he'd be fine. Probably no one would care. But this guy is a special kind of farktard who mixed every flavor of stupid he could muster into one act.

Sometimes people get bit hard by their own stupidity. I'm not going to shed tears over some dumbass adult snowflake so could not figure out the potential consequences of his actions.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:36 AM  

Mr.Poops: While I think the punishment is a bit extreme, there are things you shouldn't joke about... killing children is one of them. There's no reason you should joke about killing children, or bringing a bomb on a plane or to a school etc... Hindsight is 20/20 for this kid, but c'mon man


Wait, really? Louis CK jokes about it all the time. Is he in prison?

Come on, man.
 
2013-07-03 11:17:59 AM  

JuggleGeek: You are threatening to mass murder kindergarten age kids, and want sympathy?

/Sorry, tough guy, you are own your own.  Rot.


If only everyone could possess your discernment and compassion.
 
2013-07-03 11:22:50 AM  
Take note: the internet is a poor forum for using sarcasm or j/ks. Saying LOL sometimes helps, of course not for this dolt.
 
2013-07-03 11:23:45 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mr.Poops: While I think the punishment is a bit extreme, there are things you shouldn't joke about... killing children is one of them. There's no reason you should joke about killing children, or bringing a bomb on a plane or to a school etc... Hindsight is 20/20 for this kid, but c'mon man

Wait, really? Louis CK jokes about it all the time. Is he in prison?

Come on, man.


Just because a comedian who I find mediocre does it doesn't make it any more right
 
2013-07-03 11:24:58 AM  

Mr.Poops: cameroncrazy1984: Mr.Poops: While I think the punishment is a bit extreme, there are things you shouldn't joke about... killing children is one of them. There's no reason you should joke about killing children, or bringing a bomb on a plane or to a school etc... Hindsight is 20/20 for this kid, but c'mon man

Wait, really? Louis CK jokes about it all the time. Is he in prison?

Come on, man.

Just because a comedian who I find mediocre does it doesn't make it any more right


Do you think he should be punished for it too?
 
2013-07-03 11:25:56 AM  
So you take a harmless regular kid and torture him like that and expect him to be a productive member of society when he gets out. I expect him to take revenge on those that ratted him out to the cops. Most likely they were bullies that didn't like him or girls overreacting. The people that plan attacks like shootings never openly state on facebook that they are going to do it. At most they should have searched his house and then sternly told him not to do that again, if even that.
 
2013-07-03 11:26:40 AM  

Dimming: Maybe it's not that I've let them go (whatever that means), but that I'm smart enough to understand what's appropriate to say - you know, because I'm an adult and know when not to say stupid shiat in public. You go ahead with your bad self though.


Madbassist1: Oh BS. they arrested him, searched his house found no weapons, no plans, no intent whatsoever. If you're ok with living in an age where you can be thrown in jail for a long period of time solely over shiat you post on Facebook, why dont you just move to China, subby?

This is a goddamned travesty and I hope the kid gets rich of it.

Asked and answered, your honor.
 
2013-07-03 11:28:57 AM  
Context is everything (or should be) in cases involving threats.  If there is a reason to believe that the threat is realistic then it should be prosecuted.  If no rational person would feel afraid of the threat (telling someone on the other side of a 1,000 foot wide river that you're going to throw a rock at them) then it's not criminal.

If the threat wasn't reasonably likely to be carried out, then the most they should have done is yelled at him, maybe arrested him, then let him go.  Prison space is waaaaay to valuable to waste on internet-yelling.
 
2013-07-03 11:29:00 AM  

Gunny Highway: Madbassist1: Dimming: Yes, and we'll be reading about your arrest in the near future. You can't say "any goddamn thing I want", jackass - those days are gone.
If they are gone, it's apathetic assholes like you who let them go.

You talk loudly about your opinions on public transportation, dont you?


LOL public transportation??? Are you serious? I don't live in New York, which is the ONLY way I'd be caught dead on "public transportation"
 
2013-07-03 11:32:37 AM  

Plissken: It's a slippery slope.

On one hand, he doesn't seem to have access to weapons; apparently didn't make any plans to carry out such an attack; and generally it just seems to be a dumb teenager's online rant.
On the other hand, with the relatively recent mass school shootings around the country, if they hadn't arrested the kid and he HAD done something, the media/public outrage would have shaken the public safety and judicial systems enough that there would have been mass firings or someone in a position of authority would have been scapegoated and crucified.
All the same, the imprisonment and ridiculously high bail are reactionary, unnecessary, and unwarranted. The kid is in the system now and house arrest while awaiting trial should surely be sufficient. There is no reason to destroy this boy's life over what is highly likely to be just a kid writing stupid things on the Internet.
If the kid DID write "jk" after his little rant and the prosecutor is choosing to belittle or ignore the significance of such a disclaimer, then it's just another asswipe lawyer trying to make a name for himself.
Kids say stupid things all the time, and in my opinion, he should be psych evaluated, his friends and family should be interviewed, and he should just be released if common sense dictates that there was never any real threat.
But shucks, this is TX. We love locking people up here, especially if we get to execute them


I totally agree with you. Getting beaten up in jail is probably just another example of how clueless and socially awkward this kid is. Given Texas' track record with inmates, I'm sure he'll be rehabilitated in short order.
 
2013-07-03 11:37:22 AM  

bdub77: Says more about Texas and the Texas prison system than it does about this kid's particular offense. What he said was incredibly offensive, IMO he should have spent a night in lockup, then been released on reasonable bail of a few thousand. The Texas law this applies is probably laughable, as is most things in Texas.


Spoken like a true Farker. Speaks as if he has knowledge of the situation when he actually has none. The kid is 19, for chrissakes. "reasonable bail of a few thousand"? how much do you have in YOUR checking account, Mr. Trump? Any bail at all for this is excessive.
 
2013-07-03 11:39:42 AM  

badhatharry: "The purpose of these prosecutions is to undermine the First Amendment guarantee of free speech and pave the way for the criminalization of political dissent."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/29/cart-j29.html


That link was a waste of my time. I'm reporting you for terrorism.
 
2013-07-03 11:41:40 AM  
That kid reminds me of this kid I saw on Lockup MSNBC. This poor bastard was the biggest nerd I ever saw and suffice to say he did not do well in jail. After getting beat up for the 2nd/3rd time the prison put him in solitary. When it came time for his review to get back in to population, the voice over was saying things like "the staff is amazed at how naive he is" and "the staff has grave concerns about his ability to deal with the other inmates". He thought "once the guys got to know him a little better they would like him". Seriously. I wonder where he is now?
 
2013-07-03 11:44:52 AM  
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Hope he spends a year in jail. It's called a crime

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2013-07-03 11:44:59 AM  
Folks. I challenge you:

Go to an airport and at the security checkpoints, loudly announce that you have a bomb or that you're going to shoot up the terminal. Then follow that up by "haha JK for reals". See where that gets you.

Saying JK doesn't absolve you from your previous retarded statements. I do agree that this is heavy handed justice in the extreme. I still think this kid was being a stupid little shiat - but at most he should have just gotten a slap on the wrist...or I don't know, one of those scared straight specials where inmates scream at you and stuff.
 
2013-07-03 11:47:48 AM  

Rurouni: Folks. I challenge you:

Go to an airport and at the security checkpoints, loudly announce that you have a bomb or that you're going to shoot up the terminal. Then follow that up by "haha JK for reals". See where that gets you.

Saying JK doesn't absolve you from your previous retarded statements. I do agree that this is heavy handed justice in the extreme. I still think this kid was being a stupid little shiat - but at most he should have just gotten a slap on the wrist...or I don't know, one of those scared straight specials where inmates scream at you and stuff.


Facebook is not an airport?
 
2013-07-03 11:53:12 AM  
Rurouni
2013-07-03 11:44:59 AM


Folks. I challenge you:

Go to an airport and at the security checkpoints, loudly announce that you have a bomb or that you're going to shoot up the terminal. Then follow that up by "haha JK for reals". See where that gets you.

Saying JK doesn't absolve you from your previous retarded statements.

He was in an airport?

It was sarcasm. It was clear to any thinking individual that it was sarcasm in response to some fool calling him names.

Finally.
8th amendment is quite clear:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
 
2013-07-03 11:54:04 AM  

GehnRahl: I'm going to shoot up a school and eat their beating hearts. Lol. Jk.

Everyone with a shred of common sense should be overwhelmingly supporting this kid by making the same "threat"


You first.
 
2013-07-03 11:55:21 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: But is getting raped? Because, you know, everyone in prison should be raped as part of their incarceration.

/but who rapes the rapists?


The Watchmen.
 
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