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(NPR)   That nineteen year-old jailed for making threats to shoot up a school on Facebook is getting beat up behind bars, but according to parents we should all feel sorry for him and overlook the whole making threats thing   (npr.org) divider line 187
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2013-07-03 08:56:21 AM
This kind of crap is why we need a font or punctiation symbol for sarcasm or snark.

The kid followed up his comment with "LOL, jk", but the idiot that reported him probably thinks that means "Lucifer Our Lord, jesus kills" or some other stupid crap.
 
2013-07-03 08:57:27 AM
FTA:"I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten / And watch the blood of the innocent rain down/ And eat the beating heart of one of them." The father also says this was followed by a JK (undetermined).

The amount of hyperbole here is astounding.  How did they take this kid seriously?  Why didn't he just say "and then I shall become the president of the United States".  He didn't state any specific school and he mentions eating the beating heart..lol
 
2013-07-03 08:57:39 AM
It's a slippery slope.

On one hand, he doesn't seem to have access to weapons; apparently didn't make any plans to carry out such an attack; and generally it just seems to be a dumb teenager's online rant.
On the other hand, with the relatively recent mass school shootings around the country, if they hadn't arrested the kid and he HAD done something, the media/public outrage would have shaken the public safety and judicial systems enough that there would have been mass firings or someone in a position of authority would have been scapegoated and crucified.
All the same, the imprisonment and ridiculously high bail are reactionary, unnecessary, and unwarranted. The kid is in the system now and house arrest while awaiting trial should surely be sufficient. There is no reason to destroy this boy's life over what is highly likely to be just a kid writing stupid things on the Internet.
If the kid DID write "jk" after his little rant and the prosecutor is choosing to belittle or ignore the significance of such a disclaimer, then it's just another asswipe lawyer trying to make a name for himself.
Kids say stupid things all the time, and in my opinion, he should be psych evaluated, his friends and family should be interviewed, and he should just be released if common sense dictates that there was never any real threat.
But shucks, this is TX. We love locking people up here, especially if we get to execute them
 
2013-07-03 08:57:48 AM
so much for any kind of freedom of speech


and yes this farking counts as freedom of speech.. if there is clearly no intent behind the threat it is not a real farking threat
 
2013-07-03 08:58:03 AM

FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.


Lol. Sure. Real tough guys don't have to say sh*t like "come correct."
 
2013-07-03 08:59:19 AM
People shouldn't be beat up in Prison, and they certainly shouldn't be hurt while in Jail.

Especially when it was a comment on FB with what appears to be absolutely no intent to follow through.
 
2013-07-03 09:00:16 AM
If I understand correctly, and I didn't read THIS article, the kid was called crazy, and he said what he said with a sarcastic intent.  IF that is true, then this is a big circus
 
2013-07-03 09:01:07 AM

scruffynerfherder: If I understand correctly, and I didn't read THIS article, the kid was called crazy, and he said what he said with a sarcastic intent.  IF that is true, then this is a big circus


this.  context people
 
2013-07-03 09:01:16 AM

Bruce Campbell: § 22.07. TERRORISTIC THREAT. (a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to: (1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies; (2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury; (3) prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building, room, place of assembly, place to which the public has access, place of employment or occupation, aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance, or other public place; (4) cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service; (5) place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or (6) influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state.

I really want to know how law enforcement can determine he intended any of those things.  I don't think he expected a reaction from the police, so we can rule #1 out.  After investigating and finding no plans, means, or intent to actually place anyone in danger, and given the context of his comments we can rule #2, #3, #4 and #5 out.  Since this was not a political statement aimed at influencing any governmental entity, we can rule #6 out.

How is this guy in jail again?

If sarcasm is a farking crime, fark should be in jail.



None of this has been proven. That's what the trial is for. He was arrested because he was suspected of having done this. He's still in jail because his bond is set at an amount most accused rapists, murderers, or arsonists don't even see, and his parents can't come up with the scratch to get out. So he gets beaten up and raped until his trial, which could be set for early next year.
 
2013-07-03 09:01:24 AM

Ebenator: FTFA: "He's been put in solitary confinement, nude, for days on end because he's depressed."

Nothing chases the blues away quite like solitary confinement.


Well, if he didn't want to have the shiat kicked out of him and be thrown naked into an empty featureless room for days on end, he shouldn't have been born in Texas.

I mean, c'mon. Texas! What a shiathole.
 
2013-07-03 09:01:24 AM
cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.

Lol. Sure. Real tough guys don't have to say sh*t like "come correct."


I'd break out my Sherman.

images3.cinema.de
 
2013-07-03 09:03:02 AM

FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.

Lol. Sure. Real tough guys don't have to say sh*t like "come correct."

I'd break out my Sherman.

[images3.cinema.de image 800x523]


Uh...huh. Dammit, I hate it when school is out for the summer.
 
2013-07-03 09:04:17 AM
Pure hilarity.  They are going to end up paying him millions in a settlement for all of this roughhousing and heavy handed justice.  This is just kinda sad.  As always the main idea should be context and intent.  And besides, I see waaaay worse stuff posted online on a daily basis.  Why not hang out at theync.com or worldstarhiphop.com or hell, youtube (if you can read spanish).  Hope everyone comes out of this with a heaping dose of common sense.  It already sounds like little Billy has probably learned his lesson.  He will quickly forget that lesson when he has 3.5 mil in his pocket after the settlement.  He can buy all of the wonderful things you don't want him to have ;)  This is why we need to bring back Yo Momma insults.
 
2013-07-03 09:06:12 AM

kimmygibblershomework: This is why we need to bring back Yo Momma insults.


Yo Momma so fat, her blood type is Ragu.
 
2013-07-03 09:07:59 AM

FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.


I do not think that means wbat you think it means.
 
2013-07-03 09:10:07 AM
This does sound a bit excessive, but somehow the vast majority of people manage to live long lives without making threats to shoot up a school.

Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.

Maybe this kid is getting beat up in jail because he's an annoying whiny douche.
 
2013-07-03 09:10:09 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: *sigh* It's been a word for a long time.


Hm, looking back on what I wrote... I meant " this is a word for THIS??" Like any kind of claim about shooting something - real or not - is terrorism?
Early. Need more real coffee.. Blerrggg.. . I don't know why I'm here today anyways. I would like to go back to sleep.
 
2013-07-03 09:10:11 AM
Pure overreaction. But now that it's escalated so much, the state doesn't want to back down because it would be an admission of their error.

Sad that they would rather continue an unreasonable incarceration than admit they farked up.
 
2013-07-03 09:12:16 AM

Snarcasm: FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.

I do not think that means wbat you think it means.


Well wbat do you think it means?
 
2013-07-03 09:12:17 AM
"The purpose of these prosecutions is to undermine the First Amendment guarantee of free speech and pave the way for the criminalization of political dissent."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/29/cart-j29.html


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2013-07-03 09:13:24 AM

MagSeven: Well, you've got your first guys in jail. The originals. They weren't raping at first, but they eventually started raping each other according to size and ease of access. Then the new guys showed up and the originals were all like, "let's just start raping the new guys!" they voted and a majority passed.


Then they started raping the new originals. And later, they thought of raping the originals again, but they thought, "What's the point?" you know.

So they started raping the Thamesmen.
 
2013-07-03 09:14:16 AM
Why hasn't someone with an ounce of sense stepped in and put a stop to this.

Enjoy your 4th of July Bread & Circuses people :(
 
2013-07-03 09:16:09 AM
I'm going to shoot up a school and eat their beating hearts. Lol. Jk.

Everyone with a shred of common sense should be overwhelmingly supporting this kid by making the same "threat"
 
2013-07-03 09:17:02 AM

Abuse Liability: FTA:"I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten / And watch the blood of the innocent rain down/ And eat the beating heart of one of them." The father also says this was followed by a JK (undetermined).

The amount of hyperbole here is astounding.  How did they take this kid seriously?  Why didn't he just say "and then I shall become the president of the United States".  He didn't state any specific school and he mentions eating the beating heart..lol


Because the people in charge are out of control.
 
2013-07-03 09:20:02 AM
Death to the infidel!!!! Aiiii aiiii aiii!!! God is Great!!! Jk
 
2013-07-03 09:21:31 AM

FC Exile: Snarcasm: FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.

I do not think that means wbat you think it means.

Well wbat do you think it means?


It means to act respectfully toward another person. But you wouldn't know that, because you're probably about 14.
 
2013-07-03 09:22:14 AM
The school is on Facebook?
 
2013-07-03 09:26:58 AM

GehnRahl: I'm going to shoot up a school and eat their beating hearts. Lol. Jk.

Everyone with a shred of common sense should be overwhelmingly supporting this kid by making the same "threat"


I am going to use my superpowers to blow up the sun
*POWERS BEING USED*
There it is done, enjoy your last 8ish minutes of life everyone muahahaha.
 
2013-07-03 09:29:38 AM

FC Exile: Snarcasm: FC Exile: cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Yeah, I would be going and getting my son, and standing in my way would be a bad idea.
There's a point at which you stop respecting authority, and this is it.

Speaking of Internet Tough Guys.

TGIRL. You better come correct if your going to take my son.

I do not think that means wbat you think it means.

Well wbat do you think it means?


Transgender Girl?

Isn't that a girl with dangly bits?
 
2013-07-03 09:30:18 AM

Kirzania: ..... Is terrorism our new marketing hot button word that we can apply to anything now?


Why, yes.  Yes, it certainly is.

The whole point is to shock these kids, and by extension the entire community, to never, ever express any thought that could be outrageous or out-of-line, regardless of context or intent.  Shut up and be quiet, citizens.

Of course, that won't stop any such thoughts, be it stupid kid trash-talk, extreme social and political opinions, etc.  You'll just have to bottle them up inside you and never express them.  No chance at all to ever blow off steam without risking the automatic paranoid reaction of the secret police.  With predictable results.

When there aren't enough real-world terrorists to justify the bloated "security" budget, they will do everything in their power to create them.
 
2013-07-03 09:30:51 AM

fastfxr: Hope he spends a year in jail. It's called a crime, morons.


Says the thought police....
 
2013-07-03 09:40:12 AM

enderthexenocide: but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions.


Because you've been trained, that's why. Sit, Fido.
 
2013-07-03 09:42:22 AM
www.bitrebels.com
 
2013-07-03 09:44:11 AM
Bruce Campbell

How is this guy in jail again?
Because the terrorists have won.
the US is now a police state.
 
2013-07-03 09:46:47 AM

Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.


Read what you've written again. Jesus, dude. I can say any goddamned thing I want...ESPECIALLY in jest.
 
2013-07-03 09:48:20 AM
jesus. good thing the kid isn't black - he'd end up on death row!
 
2013-07-03 09:50:26 AM
I'm torn.  I hear and read all sorts of shiat while gaming but they usually are not "I will kill a schoolroom full of children," and it is usually kept in game where there is a certain amount of tolerance for that behavior, not on facebook.  He should get off when he gets to court.  Is bail too high? Yes, most likely it is, but welcome to the justice system. Don't specifically threaten mass murder of children, especially after how many school shootings?

However, I really can't muster one ounce of sympathy for this colossal shiathead.  Anyone of legal age who cannot put together cause and effect at this stage of life deserves a severe lesson in reality.  Want to threaten the death of children?  Guess what? You go where the other child killers are.
 
2013-07-03 09:54:13 AM
I'm wondering if there's not more to this story. The other kid that posted rap lyrics had a history of violence, and his classmates all turned him in. He even assaulted his own sister.
 
2013-07-03 09:54:44 AM

cameroncrazy1984: enderthexenocide: but part of me wonders why anyone, even a teenager, would think it was okay to say "i'm gonna shoot up a kindergarten" on facebook and not think there would be repercussions

He was probably pretty sure that a Facebook post didn't warrant jailtime. He underestimated the stupidity of Texas.


No no, he underestimated his OWN stupidity. He got himself in this mess. A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.
 
2013-07-03 09:55:16 AM

Farktastic: However, I really can't muster one ounce of sympathy for this colossal shiathead. Anyone of legal age who cannot put together cause and effect at this stage of life deserves a severe lesson in reality. Want to threaten the death of children? Guess what? You go where the other child killers are.


You're an idiot who needs a lesson in context.
 
2013-07-03 09:55:59 AM

Justice By Zig: A threat is a threat, regardless of the forum.


This is blatantly false, dude. Why do you lie so?
 
2013-07-03 09:56:35 AM

Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.


You have been reported to your local law enforcement for advocating violence against children.
 
2013-07-03 09:59:36 AM
I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten
And watch the blood of the innocent rain down
And eat the beating heart of one of them

Come and arrest me too.  In fact, every Farker in Texas should post that to their Facebook page.
 
2013-07-03 10:00:39 AM

give me doughnuts: This kind of crap is why we need a font or punctiation symbol for sarcasm or snark.

The kid followed up his comment with "LOL, jk", but the idiot that reported him probably thinks that means "Lucifer Our Lord, jesus kills" or some other stupid crap.


Oh, so he definitely didnt mean the killing kids part, but you're positive that his LOL, j/k was sincere.

It wasn't funny, and he's learning his comedic chops the hard way. Tough tits.
 
2013-07-03 10:00:54 AM
Another story highlighting the urgent need for a globally recognized sarcastic font.

/jk
 
2013-07-03 10:01:49 AM
Carter's father says his son was responding to an insult by being sarcastic, and followed the message with "JK" for just kidding, but that's disputed by police.

Well that's where he went wrong. He signed off saying he was the Joker. Police gotta take that shiat seriously when someone claims to be the Joker. If that doesn't imply intent, I don't know what does.
 
2013-07-03 10:04:29 AM

Rashnu: Another story highlighting the urgent need for a globally recognized sarcastic font.

/jk


http://www.geek.com/news/new-punctuation-mark-created-to-aid-those-w ho -write-sarcastically-1055331/
 
2013-07-03 10:04:45 AM

FlashHarry: jesus. good thing the kid isn't black - he'd end up on death row!


Well, because he is white the threat is not considered a joke, no matter the lols after.

/referencing McVeigh, unabomber, Chechnyan brothers, etc.
 
2013-07-03 10:08:36 AM

Madbassist1: Befuddled: Parents need to beat it into their idiot kids that they need to watch what they say, that stupid talk can have really negative consequences. There are things which are never to be said, even in jest.

Read what you've written again. Jesus, dude. I can say any goddamned thing I want...ESPECIALLY in jest.


No...you can't. Never have been.
 
2013-07-03 10:09:24 AM

give me doughnuts: kimmygibblershomework: This is why we need to bring back Yo Momma insults.

Yo Momma so fat, her blood type is Ragu.


:D
 
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