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2013-07-03 11:28:52 AM  

Copper Spork: Benevolent Misanthrope: Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments. No action. Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat. The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.

What are you talking about? He's living in a small apartment with only one servant, and he does some of his own cooking. He even wipes his own backside. That's less of a luxurious living than my grandfather has!


He's eating and sleeping in a guest house run by nuns and monks who aren't in the curia and therefore aren't likely to kill him in his sleep.  Trust me, he still has all the comforts.  He may have only one official servant, but the entire household is at his service.  When he's not there, he still has the Vatican.
 
2013-07-03 11:42:33 AM  
Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity.  It' not about god or Jesus or anything remotely associated with it.  It's about repeating prefab stuff over and over, statues, beads, doughy old men in dresses and funny hats, real estate and groping 7 year old boys.  And if the New Jack Atheist Contingent really needs to go to war with somebody, go to war with these mooks.  Not people handing out pamphlets on the subway.
 
2013-07-03 11:44:39 AM  

Valiente: While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.


"Ave Satani" is the theme song to the film The Omen (1976). It was composed by Jerry Goldsmith and won him an academy award. The Omen won an Oscar for Best Score, with Ave Satani nominated for Best Song, one of the few foreign language (Latin) songs ever to be nominated.

However, my point is they are their own worst enemy. Hunting monsters, being a monster, that sort of thing.
 
2013-07-03 11:48:54 AM  

bunner: Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity.  It' not about god or Jesus or anything remotely associated with it.  It's about repeating prefab stuff over and over, statues, beads, doughy old men in dresses and funny hats, real estate and groping 7 year old boys.  And if the New Jack Atheist Contingent really needs to go to war with somebody, go to war with these mooks.  Not people handing out pamphlets on the subway.


Right. Real Christians don't grope nine year olds. They just tell them they'll be tortured for all eternity in hell, and then put them to death for worshipping the wrong God.
 
2013-07-03 11:49:24 AM  

Copper Spork: Right. Real Christians don't grope nine year olds. They just tell them they'll be tortured for all eternity in hell, and then put them to death for worshipping the wrong God.


Oh, please.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:18 PM  

bunner: Oh, please.


"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
 
2013-07-03 12:04:50 PM  

Copper Spork: bunner: Oh, please.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."


I've already sat through this movie.  Seriously.  Ease up on the Torquemada pose a little.  Do you have a pamphlet?
 
2013-07-03 12:08:44 PM  
And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:48 PM  

Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?


For the same reason that speeding doesn't get you kicked out of NASCAR; that's what these guys joined the club for.
 
2013-07-03 12:17:15 PM  

bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.


You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.
 
2013-07-03 12:21:11 PM  

Copper Spork: bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.

You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.


And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.
 
2013-07-03 12:38:13 PM  

bunner: Copper Spork: bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.

You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.

And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.


You burned your bible?
 
2013-07-03 12:41:51 PM  

bucjeff: I'll just leave this here for you to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=rTIorwtJbhE


He lets them off easy, doesn't he?
 
2013-07-03 12:42:36 PM  
And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.

See? LOVE that.  Tell a xian what his religion really says, and they get pissed.  They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:03 PM  

neversubmit: Valiente: While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.

"Ave Satani" is the theme song to the film The Omen (1976). It was composed by Jerry Goldsmith and won him an academy award. The Omen won an Oscar for Best Score, with Ave Satani nominated for Best Song, one of the few foreign language (Latin) songs ever to be nominated.

However, my point is they are their own worst enemy. Hunting monsters, being a monster, that sort of thing.



Jerry...Goldsmith, you say?

Just kidding. Some of my best frenemies are Satanic.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:48 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: You burned your bible?


Haw, ah see whut you done there.  Haw.  Man, yew are a CAUTION, lemme tell ya whut.   :  )
 
2013-07-03 12:48:26 PM  

HappilyHellBound: They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.


It's not half as much fun as the FARK Amateur Projectionists League.  I sh*t you not.
 
2013-07-03 12:51:17 PM  
Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.
 
2013-07-03 12:53:10 PM  

HappilyHellBound: And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.

See? LOVE that.  Tell a xian what his religion really says, and they get pissed.  They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

I don't have the picture handy.
 
2013-07-03 12:56:39 PM  

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Yea, people should stop seeing things and commenting on them.

PS  Why are you here?
 
2013-07-03 12:57:35 PM  
Yeah, I'd reply to all this but I'm too enraged and sh*t to type.  Oh, my dear me, I am so teh outraged.  Prunella, fetch my whiskey.  *snort*  At the end of the day, all of this non stamp colecting blather is just one more pivot point for dime store internet wind up artists biting their lip in front of their QWERTYs, rest assured that they have ENRAGED the unenlightened.  And that's too bad, really.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:16 PM  

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Panties in bunch.  check.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:29 PM  
Paedophile priest told boy (7) he could get dead grandfather into heaven if he performed sex act

After one offence the court heard that "the defendant said that this was to get his grandfather into heaven and that if he told anyone it would not work," said the lawyer.
 
2013-07-03 01:02:05 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why are you here?


i.imgur.com
Get him, kids.

You know, if you take that authority posture back to Wal Mart, they'll give you your money back.  It's real easy, man.
 
2013-07-03 01:03:08 PM  

HappilyHellBound: Panties in bunch.  check.


Well, you can feel free to fantasize about it if it helps.  You should stop biting your lip so much, though.  It'll chafe.  :  )
 
2013-07-03 01:14:27 PM  

neversubmit: Paedophile priest told boy (7) he could get dead grandfather into heaven if he performed sex act

After one offence the court heard that "the defendant said that this was to get his grandfather into heaven and that if he told anyone it would not work," said the lawyer.


See, I got no problem with god or the notion of god, but so far, organized religion should be wiped off the face of the earth for all the good it's done.  YMMV.
 
2013-07-03 01:28:02 PM  

Chach: Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.


Hmm.  So many things wrong with that.

1. How will they be able to tell if a man has homosexual impulses?  Show them a picture of the Pope in a speedo and see if they get a woody?
2. Being a homosexual does not equal being a pedophile, nor does it equal being an enabler of pedophiles.

Frankly, I think when an organization breaks the law, the people running that organization should be punished.  These guys didn't just break the law, they melted it down and reshaped it to suit their needs.
 
2013-07-03 01:28:54 PM  

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.
 
2013-07-03 01:38:21 PM  

PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.


Priests raping kids and hiding it from the law for decades is nothing interesting to religious folk.  They lack a certain human morality so this kind of thing, although unthinkable to the civilized world, is just run of the mill for them and not really anything to be noticed.  Outrage?  That's for things other people do.
 
2013-07-03 01:51:17 PM  

PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.


I'm astoundingly pissed off at the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers waving their crosses, yeah.  The FARK Insult Artists Brigade, not so much.
 
2013-07-03 02:13:56 PM  

bunner: PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.

I'm astoundingly pissed off at the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers waving their crosses, yeah.  The FARK Insult Artists Brigade, not so much.


Well, the FARK Insult Artists Brigade are insulting...the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers wearing their crosses. Not you. You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.
 
2013-07-03 02:17:27 PM  

PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.


I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.
 
2013-07-03 02:21:51 PM  
A couple of serious questions, does anyone know:

How much more or less common is kid-diddling in the Catholic Church compared to other organizations / the general population? (It actually wouldn't surprise me if it was more common, due to trusted access to kids, and men fleeing into the priesthood to try to escape their pedo-urges)

Are there Catholic cover-ups going on of other non-rape stuff? (Embezzlement, bribery, murders, stale wafers, etc.)
 
2013-07-03 02:31:52 PM  

bunner: PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.

I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.


Unless you're Catholic, abso-farking-lutely nobody was referring to you in any way, shape, or form before you showed up. So...why do you feel insulted again? Because people are being low-class and insulting the Vatican instead of holding a forum on the sociopolitical implications of this? That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.

I get feeling insulted if you're Catholic. I really do have the urge to tell these guys to STFU, since my mother is a devout Catholic, and I know firsthand most liberal Catholics are utterly appalled by this shiat. But you aren't Catholic, from what you've said--you're not even related to the discussion. Is the best reason you have for offense that people aren't being high-class enough? In that case, welcometofark.jpeg is  exactly appropriate--or maybe just welcometoplanetearth.jpeg.
 
2013-07-03 02:37:57 PM  

PsiChick: Unless you're Catholic


nope.

PsiChick: That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.


I don't need an instruction manual on this place.  Neither do you.

Is this going somewhere or is this just more "let me school you about how wrong you are about something you didn't say to begin with"?

Honest, honey.  It's just old.  Nothing personal, just clapped out.  Honest.
 
2013-07-03 02:38:29 PM  

PsiChick: bunner: PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.

I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.

Unless you're Catholic, abso-farking-lutely nobody was referring to you in any way, shape, or form before you showed up. So...why do you feel insulted again? Because people are being low-class and insulting the Vatican instead of holding a forum on the sociopolitical implications of this? That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.

I get feeling insulted if you're Catholic. I really do have the urge to tell these guys to STFU, since my mother is a devout Catholic, and I know firsthand most liberal Catholics are utterly appalled by this shiat. But you aren't Catholic, from what you've said--you're not even related to the discussion. Is the best reason you have for offense that people aren't being high-class enough? In that case, welcometofark.jpeg is  exactly appropriate--or maybe just welcometoplanetearth.jpeg.


If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.
 
2013-07-03 02:41:00 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.


Ding.  The leviathan you feed is the leviathan that eats you.  See organized religion, governance, corporate culture.
 
2013-07-03 02:54:22 PM  

bunner: Inflatable Rhetoric: If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.

Ding.  The leviathan you feed is the leviathan that eats you.  See organized religion, governance, corporate culture.


Maybe later.
 
2013-07-03 03:00:25 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric:Maybe later.

You might not.
 
2013-07-03 03:51:57 PM  
Paging Edward Snowdon, paging E. Snowdon to the Courtesy phone ...
 
2013-07-03 04:13:20 PM  
Relevant, but not safe for work/the squeamish:  Angtoria - God Has a Plan for Us All.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olFchpRcgao
 
2013-07-03 04:14:53 PM  
for some reason I read that headline in Morgan Freeman's voice
 
2013-07-03 05:26:14 PM  

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


They used to burn sodomite priests at the stake, but no, you all have to be "enilightened" and "progressive" about this, don't you?
 
2013-07-04 03:44:38 PM  
At this point, I just assume that any catholic priest is a child molester.
 
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