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2013-07-03 10:04:10 AM
... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:37 AM

Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.



They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:54 AM

Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


"If you're pre-born you're ok,if you're pre-school you're farked."

Literally, apparently.
 
2013-07-03 10:14:03 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


Yup. I'm liking the pagan thing myself lately.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:35 AM

hinten: Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.


No, there's a lot of chatter among pagans about the whole burning witches thing. I'm unlikely to forget it any time soon.
 
2013-07-03 10:17:44 AM
Sanguis Bibimus.

Corpus Edimus.
 
2013-07-03 10:18:04 AM

Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]


my creator is Jesus
 
2013-07-03 10:18:33 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.

No, there's a lot of chatter among pagans about the whole burning witches thing. I'm unlikely to forget it any time soon.


Please be careful around bonfires.
 
2013-07-03 10:21:10 AM

Copper Spork: Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?

The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven, if the person repents. It's only excommunicable if God's law is ignored, for example by marriage.


HOW IS DON'T fark LITTLE KIDS NOT PART OF GOD'S LAW?
 
2013-07-03 10:23:27 AM

neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus


Filii tangimus.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:29 AM

vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


Every Sunday, they flood into the churches and give them money.  That's approval.
 
2013-07-03 10:28:00 AM

AngryDragon: But underage kids being abused by teachers is snarky.

Look, I agree that what the church is doing is abhorrent, can we at least apply one standard though?


I'm gonna paraphrase Adam Carolla on this one, if you later end up pleasuring yourself to something, you can't call it abuse.
 
2013-07-03 10:29:40 AM

hinten: neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus

Filii tangimus.


Ave! Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!

Ave!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Ave!

Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Satani!
Satani!
Ave!
Ave!
Satani!
 
2013-07-03 10:32:46 AM
Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:26 AM

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


Never lost it. Matthew 16:18.

This is a major tragedy with a tiny number of players from an era that is at its very end.
 
2013-07-03 10:36:35 AM

elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
All we need to know about that.
 
2013-07-03 10:38:25 AM
In the HBO documentary (which was excellent BTW) Mea Maxima Culpa, they talked about how the Catholic Church has their own rehab centers for pedophilia.

How bad is the pedophilia problem within an organization if they have their own secret clinic to treat it?!
 
2013-07-03 10:39:02 AM

vpb: The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


Anyone I have ever known who was super into church stuff and believed most of it was just made up.  They probably could have watched a priest abuse a child and convince themselves it was a hologram sent from the devil to trick and test their faith.  They'll think this is all made up orexaggerated, as well.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:12 AM

Bloody William: Copper Spork: Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?

The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven, if the person repents. It's only excommunicable if God's law is ignored, for example by marriage.

HOW IS DON'T fark LITTLE KIDS NOT PART OF GOD'S LAW?


The same reason slavery isn't.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:35 AM

Chach: Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.


Actually, this is more a case of failed leadership, not homosexual men. The Pope himself has admitted this, as the upper strata was responsible for the majority of the damage. This leadership was far more interested in protecting its reputation that protecting the children entrusted to its care.

They (the leadership) are very fortunate we live in an age where they won't be dragged out of their decadent apartments and tortured to death for what they did. The church will never regain its moral authority in this respect.

It's only over because they were caught red-handed. If they hadn't been caught, it would still be going on to this day.
 
2013-07-03 10:44:02 AM

EvilEgg: I think I respect NAMBLA more, at least they are upfront about their desires.

Bust the church with RICO charges, I bet you could get the Protestants on board without too much effort.


At least with NAMBLA, a kid knows where he bends.

And if you think sex abuse of "the flock" is just a Catholic problem, I would start with any religion that describes its adherents as part of "a flock". You know, the things shepherds use as cum dumpsters.

/although child rape is problematically Catholic, alas, and an ass.
 
2013-07-03 10:45:36 AM
Meanwhile, they'd throw a priest out in a heartbeat if he got involved in a consensual relationship with an adult.  That's the really crazy part.  I guess raping kids doesn't violate their vow of chastity, either.
 
2013-07-03 10:45:58 AM

Chach: Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.


I'm sure you're right.  Ordained the wrong people, covered it up for decades, etc.
It's great to see the return to infallibility.   After all, god is on their side.
 
2013-07-03 10:47:25 AM
when you are giving guilt away for free
but selling redemption
yer always going to have some bad employees
 
2013-07-03 10:48:27 AM

vernonFL: EvilEgg: Bust the church with RICO charges

Seriously, how is this NOT an international criminal conspiracy?


Because Jesus.  Religions are exempt from any questioning of their moral righteousness in America.

vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


The capacity of the faithful for self-delusion is limitless.

swaniefrmreddeer: It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.


I always chuckle at their defense - "Isolated incident!!  Priests being framed!!!  Homosexuals tryign to discredit the Church with false accusations!!!  HALP, we're being oppressed!"
 
2013-07-03 10:49:25 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


I don't know why more guys aren't pagan. If a bunch of men together is called a sausage fest, what is a bunch of women called?

As a woman who has been in the pagan religion for 2 decades, I can say that we need more single men. I go to festivals and camp outs open to getting laid and its mostly just women and already attached men! Any single available men are quickly snapped up to partake in earthly delights. Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.

;)
 
2013-07-03 10:50:57 AM

Lutrasimilis: It's only over because they were caught red-handed. If they hadn't been caught, it would still be going on to this day.


Ummm... What makes you think it's not still going on in a parish near you?
 
2013-07-03 10:51:07 AM

ocd002: Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.


Just make sure you go to the STD clinic after you're done throwing your sausage down the hallway, and hope AIDS isn't among all the horrible things you'll catch.
 
2013-07-03 10:54:15 AM

Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?


Why do you hate God?

Also, see the history of everything ever for a list of reasons.
 
2013-07-03 10:55:59 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummm... What makes you think it's not still going on in a parish near you?


Oh, I'm sure it is. I was just referring to this current wave of molestations and the backlog. I can't even begin to imagine the sort of abuses which took place before records were kept. Or when the authorities were a lot more frightened of the church's power than they are today.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:56 AM
I'll just leave this here for you to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=rTIorwtJbhE
 
2013-07-03 10:57:07 AM

silvervial: There is no distinction -- if you are a practicing catholic, you support these pedophile farks. It's truly that simple.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 10:58:53 AM

Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]


Hey, if you're going to be stupid, it's better to be stupid with an unbusted hoop, amirite?

/save me, jeebus, from your Bronze Age tautologies!
 
2013-07-03 11:00:59 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


A lot of pagan groups don't allow participation below the age of 18 due to the fact that a child or adolescent's oath is legally, and supposedly spiritually, worthless.

After that, however, it's game on for the nekkid fire jumping.
 
2013-07-03 11:02:26 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


Wait, so some cholo boned your mom?
 
2013-07-03 11:05:47 AM
EvilEgg:
Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,

Did you ever watch Law & Order SVU?  It was like "Oh hey, it's Friday night and I noticed you were happy and upbeat, so let's fix that".  Rape/sex crimes/child sexual abuse stories are super depressing.
 
2013-07-03 11:05:56 AM

neversubmit: hinten: neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus

Filii tangimus.

Ave! Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!

Ave!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Ave!

Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Satani!
Satani!
Ave!
Ave!
Satani!


While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.
 
2013-07-03 11:06:11 AM
Remember when Timothy Dolan was a top 5 candidate for Pope?

/yeesh
 
2013-07-03 11:06:50 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


My creator was Professor Ivo.
 
2013-07-03 11:08:08 AM

ocd002: In the HBO documentary (which was excellent BTW) Mea Maxima Culpa, they talked about how the Catholic Church has their own rehab centers for pedophilia.

How bad is the pedophilia problem within an organization if they have their own secret clinic to treat it?!


Operation Raperclip?

Oh, I may have to keep that one. Obscure, but relevant for my T-shirt.
 
2013-07-03 11:08:16 AM

braedan: cameroncrazy1984: EvilEgg: Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,

I guess you've never seen SVU.

Oh c'mon, SVU isn't a mystery show. 99% of the time it's some awful man. 1% of the time it's a woman, who was previously abused by an awful man.


Is it on Lifetime?
 
2013-07-03 11:10:13 AM
OK New Pope Dude, you've been knocking the cover off the ball in AAA, and now is your first chance for a genuine big league at bat.

Lets see how he does.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:27 AM

Weaver95: That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


Um, if everyone gets abortions, where are the fresh tots going to come from once the current ones turn all gross and old and teenage-y?
 
2013-07-03 11:13:37 AM

ocd002: The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.

I don't know why more guys aren't pagan. If a bunch of men together is called a sausage fest, what is a bunch of women called?

As a woman who has been in the pagan religion for 2 decades, I can say that we need more single men. I go to festivals and camp outs open to getting laid and its mostly just women and already attached men! Any single available men are quickly snapped up to partake in earthly delights. Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.

;)


You, I like.

Unfortunately for your hobby, I've been handfasted to a sexy little witch for 16 years. Circle dancing and deep knee bends to light candles, etc. have kept her delightful backside in great form and her mind free of rubbish monotheism. Except, perhaps, for the monogamy-as-virtue trope. Darn.

/not the "puffer" type, either, thank the gods.
 
2013-07-03 11:13:38 AM
Some day people will realize that the only reason anyone organizes a religion into a group with leadership, rules, headquarters, etc. is because they want to take advantage of people.

It's always the same. Even the most benevolent church, synagogue, temple or mosque is a front for people who wish to hold power and influence over a group of people, and in most of them there's a desire for profit as well.

Faith is fine. Organized religion is generally corrupt by its very nature, because no matter what, someone is in charge. Someone makes the rules, directs the flock, takes in the tithes, issues the commands, and hides behind their faith. The problem is that having faith as a shield gives religious leaders too much power and protection, and they always-- ALWAYS-- end up taking advantage of it.

That's my experience, anyway.

So why anyone would want to be a Catholic-- A religion that for all intents and purposes has appointed its own king and works under a feudal system-- is beyond me. The Pope, the Archbishops, The Bishops, the Cardinals, and even the Priests and Nuns are the members of royalty and nobility within their system, and enjoy the privilege of making their own laws and disobeying them as they see fit.

But of course, when you're so deep into your religion that you're willing to accept the control and direction of a leader, you're vulnerable to being exploited and you don't make objective decisions; You let faith guide you, and you rely on the people who are exploiting you to tell you what faith is.
 
2013-07-03 11:17:45 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


The creator is in the first book - Jesus is a character in the sequel.
 
2013-07-03 11:21:49 AM

Rent Party: OK New Pope Dude, you've been knocking the cover off the ball in AAA, and now is your first chance for a genuine big league at bat.

Lets see how he does.


Prediction:

Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments.  No action.  Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat.  The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.
 
2013-07-03 11:24:02 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments. No action. Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat. The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.


What are you talking about? He's living in a small apartment with only one servant, and he does some of his own cooking. He even wipes his own backside. That's less of a luxurious living than my grandfather has!
 
2013-07-03 11:24:55 AM

EvilEgg: BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.

Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.


"Law and Order: Special Victims Unit"
 
2013-07-03 11:25:26 AM
Tim Minchin - The Pope Song:  http://vimeo.com/11338327   (Definitely NSFW...but 100% truthful and 100% honest....unlike the Catholic Church...the truth hurts sometimes)
 
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