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2013-07-03 08:21:33 AM
Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.
 
2013-07-03 08:24:17 AM
I think I respect NAMBLA more, at least they are upfront about their desires.

Bust the church with RICO charges, I bet you could get the Protestants on board without too much effort.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 08:38:04 AM
There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.
 
2013-07-03 08:44:35 AM

vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.


I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 08:46:31 AM

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.
 
2013-07-03 08:46:46 AM

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


Shut up! I can't hear them bemoaning the fact that consenting adults want to get married!
 
2013-07-03 08:52:39 AM

vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.
 
2013-07-03 08:57:58 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.


Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?
 
2013-07-03 09:00:38 AM

Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.
 
2013-07-03 09:02:42 AM

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.


Yeah that works for the true believers....but everyone else is gonna tell the gotdamn hypocrites to get stuffed. The only way this works is if the church finds a way to do some sort of penance.
 
2013-07-03 09:02:58 AM
*sigh*
 
2013-07-03 09:04:18 AM

Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


You're seriously pondering man's capability of perpetuating contradicting behavior and philosophy?
 
2013-07-03 09:05:34 AM

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.


Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.
 
2013-07-03 09:06:14 AM

Cythraul: Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

You're seriously pondering man's capability of perpetuating contradicting behavior and philosophy?


No I'm seriously pondering how the church expects to get out of the mess they made for themselves. I honestly don't see a way out of it.
 
2013-07-03 09:06:44 AM

EvilEgg: BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.

Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.


L&O SVU is all about the rape.
 
2013-07-03 09:14:05 AM

Weaver95: Cythraul: Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

You're seriously pondering man's capability of perpetuating contradicting behavior and philosophy?

No I'm seriously pondering how the church expects to get out of the mess they made for themselves. I honestly don't see a way out of it.


Well, as others have stated, I think there will be enough 'true believers' around to keep the Catholic Church in business for quite some time to come. If the church can finally crack down on this scandal and put an end to it, the passage of time will see the Church retain, if not even increase its wealth and influence.

Even if they don't purge themselves of the kid farkers, I think they have enough followers to provide them with the resources to pay out for court cases for decades to come.
 
2013-07-03 09:23:55 AM

EvilEgg: Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,


I guess you've never seen SVU.
 
2013-07-03 09:29:12 AM
Releasing this information was the wrong thing to do. The Church has already forgiven those poor misguided children for their acts of homosexuality. There is no need for society to punish them further.
 
2013-07-03 09:29:13 AM

Cythraul: Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

You're seriously pondering man's capability of perpetuating contradicting behavior and philosophy?


My thoughts exactly.  Founding principle of today's GOP.
 
2013-07-03 09:29:39 AM
But underage kids being abused by teachers is snarky.

Look, I agree that what the church is doing is abhorrent, can we at least apply one standard though?
 
2013-07-03 09:30:53 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: EvilEgg: BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.

Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.

L&O SVU is all about the rape.


I was just thinking that damn one of TVs highest rated dramas today starts every episode with a rape
 
2013-07-03 09:31:21 AM
Well, define "horrific", for a start. I'm not advocating for pedophilia, but it's a fact that many, if not most young boys exploring their sexuality aren't exactly likely to turn down a free diddle from an older man, why would they?

I mean, if its chase-them-down-the-street-and--drag-them-down bloody screaming sodomy, obviously that's violent and awful. But getting a blowie or a handy from some old creep?

Noooott exactly the end of the world for a 12 year old. More like a bonus.

There's a reason these thing aren't reported until much later, when the little perverts gets older and uglier and can't get laid anymore, and turn those feelings of ambiguity into misdirected anger.
 
2013-07-03 09:32:04 AM

EvilEgg: Bust the church with RICO charges


Seriously, how is this NOT an international criminal conspiracy?
 
2013-07-03 09:33:11 AM
Ugh.  Do the right thing(s).  I dont get it.
 
2013-07-03 09:33:25 AM
if the kidz didn't want it they would have told the priest
 
2013-07-03 09:33:26 AM
How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?
 
2013-07-03 09:33:47 AM

SilentStrider: *sigh*


quite so
 
2013-07-03 09:34:09 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: swaniefrmreddeer: EvilEgg: BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.

Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.

L&O SVU is all about the rape.

I was just thinking that damn one of TVs highest rated dramas today starts every episode with a rape


I just learned how out of the loop I am when it comes to TV rape.
 
2013-07-03 09:34:16 AM
I would love for my Irish and Italian Catholic in-laws to read this article. Somehow, they won't believe it... and/or brush it off.

/ They think I'm not a whole person because I don't go to church.
// At one point, they blamed me for her daughter not going to church... even though she has told them a number of times that she was not going long before she met me.
 
2013-07-03 09:34:29 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 09:35:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: EvilEgg: Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,

I guess you've never seen SVU.


Oh c'mon, SVU isn't a mystery show. 99% of the time it's some awful man. 1% of the time it's a woman, who was previously abused by an awful man.
 
2013-07-03 09:35:31 AM

willfullyobscure: Well, define "horrific", for a start. I'm not advocating for pedophilia, but it's a fact that many, if not most young boys exploring their sexuality aren't exactly likely to turn down a free diddle from an older man, why would they?

I mean, if its chase-them-down-the-street-and--drag-them-down bloody screaming sodomy, obviously that's violent and awful. But getting a blowie or a handy from some old creep?

Noooott exactly the end of the world for a 12 year old. More like a bonus.

There's a reason these thing aren't reported until much later, when the little perverts gets older and uglier and can't get laid anymore, and turn those feelings of ambiguity into misdirected anger.


You're fishing with an explosive harpoon. I need you at "baited hooks."
 
2013-07-03 09:35:41 AM
Catholic waterboarding...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 09:36:12 AM

Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?


The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven, if the person repents. It's only excommunicable if God's law is ignored, for example by marriage.
 
2013-07-03 09:39:00 AM

vernonFL: Seriously, how is this NOT an international criminal conspiracy?


This is an interesting argument. I'm not a lawyer or anything, so would any prosecutor who had evidence of a child abuse case within their district with that statute of limitations be able to bring RICO charges against the Catholic hierarchy, or would you need federal prosecutors?
 
2013-07-03 09:39:59 AM

EvilEgg: I just learned how out of the loop I am when it comes to TV rape.


We really really like our rape in the US
 
2013-07-03 09:40:31 AM
Cardinal Dolan The Jovial Pederast Enabler has made sure the churches funds are safe from these sinners looking for just compensation.
 
2013-07-03 09:42:27 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: EvilEgg: I just learned how out of the loop I am when it comes to TV rape.

We really really like our rape in the US


you only said it once
 
2013-07-03 09:44:05 AM
FWIW I think the moment we can prove the Catholic church not only protected these creeps, but also shuffled monies to avoid payouts to victims and lawyers, is the moment we pull their tax-free status and go after them with RICO charges.

These people are covering up child abuse and in some cases rape. Book 'em Dan-O.
 
2013-07-03 09:44:29 AM
Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.
 
2013-07-03 09:48:53 AM

elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-03 09:51:29 AM

elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.


Poe's law, but I think you're serious. Run now before the pagans sacrifice you to their goOOoOoOOoOds
 
2013-07-03 09:51:37 AM

Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


The short & simple answer to your question is that Catholic theology simply assumes that all sins are forgivable. When the hierarchy found out about things like this, the priest was most likely ordered to confess, and admonished not to do it again. It simply didn't occur to anybody that these priests had unfixable psychological issues.

As for the morality of the thing, it's really not that much different from the fact that it simply didn't occur to 19th century southerners that owning black people was morally wrong, or how it didn't occur to people until recently that persecuting people for being gay was morally wrong. It was a different time. It wasn't all that long ago when nobody would bat an eye if they saw someone slapping their kids around in public either.

This is not to excuse any of this, but the point is that church leaders held attitudes toward this sort of thing that do not belong to this era. The Catholic church always tends to run quite a bit behind the rest of American society when determining what's morally acceptable and what's not.
 
2013-07-03 09:52:05 AM

Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


Yeah, the fact it happens is almost inevitable, the problem is when they cover it up and deal with it internally - because they are now complicit in the crime so the punishment can't be very significant (plus they have no real standing to apply any significant punishments even if the criminal they are protecting couldn't blackmail them into letting him off lightly). So now you have a situation where a powerful organization is going to protect these guys, which actually makes it a positively attractive job if you are of that persuasion.
 
2013-07-03 09:53:27 AM
It's the church that made all these homosexuals running around these days.  The church should be forced to pay for their weddings, as punishment
 
2013-07-03 09:57:24 AM

pdieten: As for the morality of the thing, it's really not that much different from the fact that it simply didn't occur to 19th century southerners that owning black people was morally wrong, or how it didn't occur to people until recently that persecuting people for being gay was morally wrong. It was a different time. It wasn't all that long ago when nobody would bat an eye if they saw someone slapping their kids around in public either.


In what recent era was it considered not immoral to sexually abuse children?
 
2013-07-03 09:57:59 AM
The records also show how the diocese moved one priest, Raymond Adamsky, to eleven parishes over 22 after the first time a family accused him of abusing their daughter.

Years?
 
2013-07-03 10:00:07 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.


They keep making this ridiculous distinction between "The Church" and their "Faith."  Like the faith isn't responsible for the actions of the catholic church, so they can keep believing in Jesus and Mary and all the saints and going to mass, etc., because that's somehow separate from the church. But there is no greater control over a faith in any religion than the control of the faith by the catholic church.

People forget that the catholic church was the *original* christian faith, and decided even what writings would be considered part of the bible and which ones would be be forever "apocrypha." That's how much power the church has over the faith. What people know of their faith came from the church in the first place.

There is no distinction -- if you are a practicing catholic, you support these pedophile farks. It's truly that simple.
 
2013-07-03 10:02:45 AM

Cythraul: In what recent era was it considered not immoral to sexually abuse children?


Do you even lift the headline?
 
2013-07-03 10:03:19 AM

Nurglitch: willfullyobscure: Well, define "horrific", for a start. I'm not advocating for pedophilia, but it's a fact that many, if not most young boys exploring their sexuality aren't exactly likely to turn down a free diddle from an older man, why would they?

I mean, if its chase-them-down-the-street-and--drag-them-down bloody screaming sodomy, obviously that's violent and awful. But getting a blowie or a handy from some old creep?

Noooott exactly the end of the world for a 12 year old. More like a bonus.

There's a reason these thing aren't reported until much later, when the little perverts gets older and uglier and can't get laid anymore, and turn those feelings of ambiguity into misdirected anger.

You're fishing with an explosive harpoon. I need you at "baited hooks."


Subtlety is for pussys. I go hard in da paint.
 
2013-07-03 10:04:10 AM
... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:37 AM

Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.



They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:54 AM

Weaver95: swaniefrmreddeer: vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.

It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.

Yeah but even the true believers have a serious problem. All the lies and corruption make it exceptionally difficult to use any sort of 'moral leverage' against undecided voters....if ever there were such a thing left in this country. That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


"If you're pre-born you're ok,if you're pre-school you're farked."

Literally, apparently.
 
2013-07-03 10:14:03 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


Yup. I'm liking the pagan thing myself lately.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:35 AM

hinten: Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.


No, there's a lot of chatter among pagans about the whole burning witches thing. I'm unlikely to forget it any time soon.
 
2013-07-03 10:17:44 AM
Sanguis Bibimus.

Corpus Edimus.
 
2013-07-03 10:18:04 AM

Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

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my creator is Jesus
 
2013-07-03 10:18:33 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Weaver95: Kinda puts the church's political views in a new light. How can they claim any sort of moral authority after details like this surface?

They can't even claim to be persecuted. This is hard evidence of a massive cover up organized from high up the food chain.


They claimed moral authority after killing thousand of witches, hundreds of thousand of heretics, stealing millions and millions of valuables, etc.
It seems you forgot that they are infallible.

No, there's a lot of chatter among pagans about the whole burning witches thing. I'm unlikely to forget it any time soon.


Please be careful around bonfires.
 
2013-07-03 10:21:10 AM

Copper Spork: Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?

The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven, if the person repents. It's only excommunicable if God's law is ignored, for example by marriage.


HOW IS DON'T fark LITTLE KIDS NOT PART OF GOD'S LAW?
 
2013-07-03 10:23:27 AM

neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus


Filii tangimus.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:29 AM

vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


Every Sunday, they flood into the churches and give them money.  That's approval.
 
2013-07-03 10:28:00 AM

AngryDragon: But underage kids being abused by teachers is snarky.

Look, I agree that what the church is doing is abhorrent, can we at least apply one standard though?


I'm gonna paraphrase Adam Carolla on this one, if you later end up pleasuring yourself to something, you can't call it abuse.
 
2013-07-03 10:29:40 AM

hinten: neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus

Filii tangimus.


Ave! Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!

Ave!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Ave!

Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Satani!
Satani!
Ave!
Ave!
Satani!
 
2013-07-03 10:32:46 AM
Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:26 AM

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


Never lost it. Matthew 16:18.

This is a major tragedy with a tiny number of players from an era that is at its very end.
 
2013-07-03 10:36:35 AM

elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
All we need to know about that.
 
2013-07-03 10:38:25 AM
In the HBO documentary (which was excellent BTW) Mea Maxima Culpa, they talked about how the Catholic Church has their own rehab centers for pedophilia.

How bad is the pedophilia problem within an organization if they have their own secret clinic to treat it?!
 
2013-07-03 10:39:02 AM

vpb: The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


Anyone I have ever known who was super into church stuff and believed most of it was just made up.  They probably could have watched a priest abuse a child and convince themselves it was a hologram sent from the devil to trick and test their faith.  They'll think this is all made up orexaggerated, as well.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:12 AM

Bloody William: Copper Spork: Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?

The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven, if the person repents. It's only excommunicable if God's law is ignored, for example by marriage.

HOW IS DON'T fark LITTLE KIDS NOT PART OF GOD'S LAW?


The same reason slavery isn't.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:35 AM

Chach: Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.


Actually, this is more a case of failed leadership, not homosexual men. The Pope himself has admitted this, as the upper strata was responsible for the majority of the damage. This leadership was far more interested in protecting its reputation that protecting the children entrusted to its care.

They (the leadership) are very fortunate we live in an age where they won't be dragged out of their decadent apartments and tortured to death for what they did. The church will never regain its moral authority in this respect.

It's only over because they were caught red-handed. If they hadn't been caught, it would still be going on to this day.
 
2013-07-03 10:44:02 AM

EvilEgg: I think I respect NAMBLA more, at least they are upfront about their desires.

Bust the church with RICO charges, I bet you could get the Protestants on board without too much effort.


At least with NAMBLA, a kid knows where he bends.

And if you think sex abuse of "the flock" is just a Catholic problem, I would start with any religion that describes its adherents as part of "a flock". You know, the things shepherds use as cum dumpsters.

/although child rape is problematically Catholic, alas, and an ass.
 
2013-07-03 10:45:36 AM
Meanwhile, they'd throw a priest out in a heartbeat if he got involved in a consensual relationship with an adult.  That's the really crazy part.  I guess raping kids doesn't violate their vow of chastity, either.
 
2013-07-03 10:45:58 AM

Chach: Old news is old.

Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.

This is just another part of a purge that was a problem with ordaining the wrong men in the late 50s-80s. It's over.


I'm sure you're right.  Ordained the wrong people, covered it up for decades, etc.
It's great to see the return to infallibility.   After all, god is on their side.
 
2013-07-03 10:47:25 AM
when you are giving guilt away for free
but selling redemption
yer always going to have some bad employees
 
2013-07-03 10:48:27 AM

vernonFL: EvilEgg: Bust the church with RICO charges

Seriously, how is this NOT an international criminal conspiracy?


Because Jesus.  Religions are exempt from any questioning of their moral righteousness in America.

vpb: Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.

The same way they did before.

People who want to believe will.  They don't care about facts.


The capacity of the faithful for self-delusion is limitless.

swaniefrmreddeer: It's even worse than they don't care about facts, they're openly hostile to the facts. Nothing pisses off a catholic more than pointing out all the little boy f*cking that goes on in the church.


I always chuckle at their defense - "Isolated incident!!  Priests being framed!!!  Homosexuals tryign to discredit the Church with false accusations!!!  HALP, we're being oppressed!"
 
2013-07-03 10:49:25 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


I don't know why more guys aren't pagan. If a bunch of men together is called a sausage fest, what is a bunch of women called?

As a woman who has been in the pagan religion for 2 decades, I can say that we need more single men. I go to festivals and camp outs open to getting laid and its mostly just women and already attached men! Any single available men are quickly snapped up to partake in earthly delights. Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.

;)
 
2013-07-03 10:50:57 AM

Lutrasimilis: It's only over because they were caught red-handed. If they hadn't been caught, it would still be going on to this day.


Ummm... What makes you think it's not still going on in a parish near you?
 
2013-07-03 10:51:07 AM

ocd002: Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.


Just make sure you go to the STD clinic after you're done throwing your sausage down the hallway, and hope AIDS isn't among all the horrible things you'll catch.
 
2013-07-03 10:54:15 AM

Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?


Why do you hate God?

Also, see the history of everything ever for a list of reasons.
 
2013-07-03 10:55:59 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummm... What makes you think it's not still going on in a parish near you?


Oh, I'm sure it is. I was just referring to this current wave of molestations and the backlog. I can't even begin to imagine the sort of abuses which took place before records were kept. Or when the authorities were a lot more frightened of the church's power than they are today.
 
2013-07-03 10:56:56 AM
I'll just leave this here for you to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=rTIorwtJbhE
 
2013-07-03 10:57:07 AM

silvervial: There is no distinction -- if you are a practicing catholic, you support these pedophile farks. It's truly that simple.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 10:58:53 AM

Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]


Hey, if you're going to be stupid, it's better to be stupid with an unbusted hoop, amirite?

/save me, jeebus, from your Bronze Age tautologies!
 
2013-07-03 11:00:59 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.


A lot of pagan groups don't allow participation below the age of 18 due to the fact that a child or adolescent's oath is legally, and supposedly spiritually, worthless.

After that, however, it's game on for the nekkid fire jumping.
 
2013-07-03 11:02:26 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


Wait, so some cholo boned your mom?
 
2013-07-03 11:05:47 AM
EvilEgg:
Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,

Did you ever watch Law & Order SVU?  It was like "Oh hey, it's Friday night and I noticed you were happy and upbeat, so let's fix that".  Rape/sex crimes/child sexual abuse stories are super depressing.
 
2013-07-03 11:05:56 AM

neversubmit: hinten: neversubmit: Sanguis Bibimus

Filii tangimus.

Ave! Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!

Ave!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Ave!

Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave! Ave Versus Christus!
Ave Satani!

Sanguis Bibimus.
Corpus Edimus.
Tolle Corpus Satani!
Satani!
Satani!
Ave!
Ave!
Satani!


While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.
 
2013-07-03 11:06:11 AM
Remember when Timothy Dolan was a top 5 candidate for Pope?

/yeesh
 
2013-07-03 11:06:50 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


My creator was Professor Ivo.
 
2013-07-03 11:08:08 AM

ocd002: In the HBO documentary (which was excellent BTW) Mea Maxima Culpa, they talked about how the Catholic Church has their own rehab centers for pedophilia.

How bad is the pedophilia problem within an organization if they have their own secret clinic to treat it?!


Operation Raperclip?

Oh, I may have to keep that one. Obscure, but relevant for my T-shirt.
 
2013-07-03 11:08:16 AM

braedan: cameroncrazy1984: EvilEgg: Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries,

I guess you've never seen SVU.

Oh c'mon, SVU isn't a mystery show. 99% of the time it's some awful man. 1% of the time it's a woman, who was previously abused by an awful man.


Is it on Lifetime?
 
2013-07-03 11:10:13 AM
OK New Pope Dude, you've been knocking the cover off the ball in AAA, and now is your first chance for a genuine big league at bat.

Lets see how he does.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:27 AM

Weaver95: That's what I'm wondering...how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?


Um, if everyone gets abortions, where are the fresh tots going to come from once the current ones turn all gross and old and teenage-y?
 
2013-07-03 11:13:37 AM

ocd002: The Irresponsible Captain: ... and tomorrow looks pretty rapey for the Church as well.

I'm going to hang out with those good wholesome Pagans. They don't have sex with little boys.

I don't know why more guys aren't pagan. If a bunch of men together is called a sausage fest, what is a bunch of women called?

As a woman who has been in the pagan religion for 2 decades, I can say that we need more single men. I go to festivals and camp outs open to getting laid and its mostly just women and already attached men! Any single available men are quickly snapped up to partake in earthly delights. Seriously, you want to get laid by a woman who sees sex as healthy, sacred, and should be done frequently without all the judeo christian hangups, go pagan.

;)


You, I like.

Unfortunately for your hobby, I've been handfasted to a sexy little witch for 16 years. Circle dancing and deep knee bends to light candles, etc. have kept her delightful backside in great form and her mind free of rubbish monotheism. Except, perhaps, for the monogamy-as-virtue trope. Darn.

/not the "puffer" type, either, thank the gods.
 
2013-07-03 11:13:38 AM
Some day people will realize that the only reason anyone organizes a religion into a group with leadership, rules, headquarters, etc. is because they want to take advantage of people.

It's always the same. Even the most benevolent church, synagogue, temple or mosque is a front for people who wish to hold power and influence over a group of people, and in most of them there's a desire for profit as well.

Faith is fine. Organized religion is generally corrupt by its very nature, because no matter what, someone is in charge. Someone makes the rules, directs the flock, takes in the tithes, issues the commands, and hides behind their faith. The problem is that having faith as a shield gives religious leaders too much power and protection, and they always-- ALWAYS-- end up taking advantage of it.

That's my experience, anyway.

So why anyone would want to be a Catholic-- A religion that for all intents and purposes has appointed its own king and works under a feudal system-- is beyond me. The Pope, the Archbishops, The Bishops, the Cardinals, and even the Priests and Nuns are the members of royalty and nobility within their system, and enjoy the privilege of making their own laws and disobeying them as they see fit.

But of course, when you're so deep into your religion that you're willing to accept the control and direction of a leader, you're vulnerable to being exploited and you don't make objective decisions; You let faith guide you, and you rely on the people who are exploiting you to tell you what faith is.
 
2013-07-03 11:17:45 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Copper Spork: elgrancerdo: Well, catholicism is a religion loosely based off the scriptures, but it has been diluted with enough paganism that perhaps they are not even close to having a relationship with the Holy Spirit to guide their lives, and this is evidence of that. Perhaps that is one of the secondary reasons for the cover up: they do not want to look in front of the other Christians as if their faith is not real.

All religions are bad. A true faith or relationship with your creator will save you.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

my creator is Jesus


The creator is in the first book - Jesus is a character in the sequel.
 
2013-07-03 11:21:49 AM

Rent Party: OK New Pope Dude, you've been knocking the cover off the ball in AAA, and now is your first chance for a genuine big league at bat.

Lets see how he does.


Prediction:

Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments.  No action.  Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat.  The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.
 
2013-07-03 11:24:02 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments. No action. Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat. The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.


What are you talking about? He's living in a small apartment with only one servant, and he does some of his own cooking. He even wipes his own backside. That's less of a luxurious living than my grandfather has!
 
2013-07-03 11:24:55 AM

EvilEgg: BunkoSquad: Weaver95: how can the church claim they are doing the work of god and tell women that abortion is a mortal sin...lwhile at the same time the church is covering up decades of kiddie rape?

It's simple. Just ignore any inclination toward logic or basic human decency.

Is murder a worse crime than rape?  Why do we have murder mysteries on TV but no rape mysteries, maybe rape is worse.  But then I don't recall any abortion mysteries on the TV either, so there's that.


"Law and Order: Special Victims Unit"
 
2013-07-03 11:25:26 AM
Tim Minchin - The Pope Song:  http://vimeo.com/11338327   (Definitely NSFW...but 100% truthful and 100% honest....unlike the Catholic Church...the truth hurts sometimes)
 
2013-07-03 11:28:52 AM

Copper Spork: Benevolent Misanthrope: Lots of "Child rape is bad" comments to go with the "Power to the People" and "Money is the root of all evil" comments. No action. Just like with his comments about sacrifice - notice, the Church hasn't given up Jack Squat. The Faithful are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice.

He talks a good game, but I've yet to see him actually take a swing.

What are you talking about? He's living in a small apartment with only one servant, and he does some of his own cooking. He even wipes his own backside. That's less of a luxurious living than my grandfather has!


He's eating and sleeping in a guest house run by nuns and monks who aren't in the curia and therefore aren't likely to kill him in his sleep.  Trust me, he still has all the comforts.  He may have only one official servant, but the entire household is at his service.  When he's not there, he still has the Vatican.
 
2013-07-03 11:42:33 AM
Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity.  It' not about god or Jesus or anything remotely associated with it.  It's about repeating prefab stuff over and over, statues, beads, doughy old men in dresses and funny hats, real estate and groping 7 year old boys.  And if the New Jack Atheist Contingent really needs to go to war with somebody, go to war with these mooks.  Not people handing out pamphlets on the subway.
 
2013-07-03 11:44:39 AM

Valiente: While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.


"Ave Satani" is the theme song to the film The Omen (1976). It was composed by Jerry Goldsmith and won him an academy award. The Omen won an Oscar for Best Score, with Ave Satani nominated for Best Song, one of the few foreign language (Latin) songs ever to be nominated.

However, my point is they are their own worst enemy. Hunting monsters, being a monster, that sort of thing.
 
2013-07-03 11:48:54 AM

bunner: Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity.  It' not about god or Jesus or anything remotely associated with it.  It's about repeating prefab stuff over and over, statues, beads, doughy old men in dresses and funny hats, real estate and groping 7 year old boys.  And if the New Jack Atheist Contingent really needs to go to war with somebody, go to war with these mooks.  Not people handing out pamphlets on the subway.


Right. Real Christians don't grope nine year olds. They just tell them they'll be tortured for all eternity in hell, and then put them to death for worshipping the wrong God.
 
2013-07-03 11:49:24 AM

Copper Spork: Right. Real Christians don't grope nine year olds. They just tell them they'll be tortured for all eternity in hell, and then put them to death for worshipping the wrong God.


Oh, please.
 
2013-07-03 12:00:18 PM

bunner: Oh, please.


"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
 
2013-07-03 12:04:50 PM

Copper Spork: bunner: Oh, please.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."


I've already sat through this movie.  Seriously.  Ease up on the Torquemada pose a little.  Do you have a pamphlet?
 
2013-07-03 12:08:44 PM
And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:48 PM

Bloody William: How is child abuse and molestation not an excommunicable offense?


For the same reason that speeding doesn't get you kicked out of NASCAR; that's what these guys joined the club for.
 
2013-07-03 12:17:15 PM

bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.


You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.
 
2013-07-03 12:21:11 PM

Copper Spork: bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.

You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.


And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.
 
2013-07-03 12:38:13 PM

bunner: Copper Spork: bunner: And as far as women teaching me stuff, if they know what they're talking about, I'm all ears.  If they're selling the "you better do what mommy says" pose, well.  They don't even buy that off each other.  This is not the burka you're looking for.

You're not a very good Christian, ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ like that. The New Testament is very clear about the role of women in public, how to treat your slaves, what homosexuals deserve and when it is and is not appropriate for a father to get his daughter pregnant.

And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.


You burned your bible?
 
2013-07-03 12:41:51 PM

bucjeff: I'll just leave this here for you to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=rTIorwtJbhE


He lets them off easy, doesn't he?
 
2013-07-03 12:42:36 PM
And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.

See? LOVE that.  Tell a xian what his religion really says, and they get pissed.  They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:03 PM

neversubmit: Valiente: While I can get down with the Latin, the thing that I find tiresome about Satanism is that Christianity on its head, like a choir boy on an altar, is not what I'd call much of an improvement. A thing in direct, mocking opposition to another thing, and yet premised on its structures and tenets in contra-distinction, is still of that thing.

Yeah, I just called Satanism a Christian cult. Hell, it stars Satan, a character in their comic.

"Ave Satani" is the theme song to the film The Omen (1976). It was composed by Jerry Goldsmith and won him an academy award. The Omen won an Oscar for Best Score, with Ave Satani nominated for Best Song, one of the few foreign language (Latin) songs ever to be nominated.

However, my point is they are their own worst enemy. Hunting monsters, being a monster, that sort of thing.



Jerry...Goldsmith, you say?

Just kidding. Some of my best frenemies are Satanic.
 
2013-07-03 12:46:48 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: You burned your bible?


Haw, ah see whut you done there.  Haw.  Man, yew are a CAUTION, lemme tell ya whut.   :  )
 
2013-07-03 12:48:26 PM

HappilyHellBound: They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.


It's not half as much fun as the FARK Amateur Projectionists League.  I sh*t you not.
 
2013-07-03 12:51:17 PM
Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.
 
2013-07-03 12:53:10 PM

HappilyHellBound: And that's strike three.  I'm all stocked up on piss and arrogant posturing.  This probably works on a lot of people.  Guess what just happened.  Bye.

See? LOVE that.  Tell a xian what his religion really says, and they get pissed.  They're all about being a "true" xian until it means something they disagree with.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

I don't have the picture handy.
 
2013-07-03 12:56:39 PM

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Yea, people should stop seeing things and commenting on them.

PS  Why are you here?
 
2013-07-03 12:57:35 PM
Yeah, I'd reply to all this but I'm too enraged and sh*t to type.  Oh, my dear me, I am so teh outraged.  Prunella, fetch my whiskey.  *snort*  At the end of the day, all of this non stamp colecting blather is just one more pivot point for dime store internet wind up artists biting their lip in front of their QWERTYs, rest assured that they have ENRAGED the unenlightened.  And that's too bad, really.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:16 PM

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Panties in bunch.  check.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:29 PM
Paedophile priest told boy (7) he could get dead grandfather into heaven if he performed sex act

After one offence the court heard that "the defendant said that this was to get his grandfather into heaven and that if he told anyone it would not work," said the lawyer.
 
2013-07-03 01:02:05 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why are you here?


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Get him, kids.

You know, if you take that authority posture back to Wal Mart, they'll give you your money back.  It's real easy, man.
 
2013-07-03 01:03:08 PM

HappilyHellBound: Panties in bunch.  check.


Well, you can feel free to fantasize about it if it helps.  You should stop biting your lip so much, though.  It'll chafe.  :  )
 
2013-07-03 01:14:27 PM

neversubmit: Paedophile priest told boy (7) he could get dead grandfather into heaven if he performed sex act

After one offence the court heard that "the defendant said that this was to get his grandfather into heaven and that if he told anyone it would not work," said the lawyer.


See, I got no problem with god or the notion of god, but so far, organized religion should be wiped off the face of the earth for all the good it's done.  YMMV.
 
2013-07-03 01:28:02 PM

Chach: Now that the Church has put more stringent guidelines in place and has put a hold on ordaining men with homosexual impulses, all of about a dozen cases were reported across the US last year.


Hmm.  So many things wrong with that.

1. How will they be able to tell if a man has homosexual impulses?  Show them a picture of the Pope in a speedo and see if they get a woody?
2. Being a homosexual does not equal being a pedophile, nor does it equal being an enabler of pedophiles.

Frankly, I think when an organization breaks the law, the people running that organization should be punished.  These guys didn't just break the law, they melted it down and reshaped it to suit their needs.
 
2013-07-03 01:28:54 PM

bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.


Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.
 
2013-07-03 01:38:21 PM

PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.


Priests raping kids and hiding it from the law for decades is nothing interesting to religious folk.  They lack a certain human morality so this kind of thing, although unthinkable to the civilized world, is just run of the mill for them and not really anything to be noticed.  Outrage?  That's for things other people do.
 
2013-07-03 01:51:17 PM

PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.


I'm astoundingly pissed off at the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers waving their crosses, yeah.  The FARK Insult Artists Brigade, not so much.
 
2013-07-03 02:13:56 PM

bunner: PsiChick: bunner: Every single religion thread is festooned with people stapling their little pronouncements and assumptions to "teh xtianz!!1" like so many sh*tty punk show flyers, and very little of use is discussed in between the wild accusations, broad brush "HA! SEE?" dishing and 8th grade cafeteria insult flexing.  It's mildly entertaining but so is tic tac toe if you're bored.  But please stop acting like something interesting is happening. It's embarrassing to watch.

Did you  read TFA? Because really, I'm stunned you  aren't outraged by this.

I'm astoundingly pissed off at the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers waving their crosses, yeah.  The FARK Insult Artists Brigade, not so much.


Well, the FARK Insult Artists Brigade are insulting...the pack of dress wearing kiddie fiddlers wearing their crosses. Not you. You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.
 
2013-07-03 02:17:27 PM

PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.


I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.
 
2013-07-03 02:21:51 PM
A couple of serious questions, does anyone know:

How much more or less common is kid-diddling in the Catholic Church compared to other organizations / the general population? (It actually wouldn't surprise me if it was more common, due to trusted access to kids, and men fleeing into the priesthood to try to escape their pedo-urges)

Are there Catholic cover-ups going on of other non-rape stuff? (Embezzlement, bribery, murders, stale wafers, etc.)
 
2013-07-03 02:31:52 PM

bunner: PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.

I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.


Unless you're Catholic, abso-farking-lutely nobody was referring to you in any way, shape, or form before you showed up. So...why do you feel insulted again? Because people are being low-class and insulting the Vatican instead of holding a forum on the sociopolitical implications of this? That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.

I get feeling insulted if you're Catholic. I really do have the urge to tell these guys to STFU, since my mother is a devout Catholic, and I know firsthand most liberal Catholics are utterly appalled by this shiat. But you aren't Catholic, from what you've said--you're not even related to the discussion. Is the best reason you have for offense that people aren't being high-class enough? In that case, welcometofark.jpeg is  exactly appropriate--or maybe just welcometoplanetearth.jpeg.
 
2013-07-03 02:37:57 PM

PsiChick: Unless you're Catholic


nope.

PsiChick: That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.


I don't need an instruction manual on this place.  Neither do you.

Is this going somewhere or is this just more "let me school you about how wrong you are about something you didn't say to begin with"?

Honest, honey.  It's just old.  Nothing personal, just clapped out.  Honest.
 
2013-07-03 02:38:29 PM

PsiChick: bunner: PsiChick: You really don't need to feel like it's personal, because it isn't.

I treat people like they treat me.  If people want to come here and act like a dick to people they don't know because they can't reach over and slap them upside the head and tell them to mind their manners, they can do it on somebody else's dime.  If people come here to discuss issues fraught with gravitas, with broad implications in a historical and sociocultural reference, that's dandy.  Trying to do both or pretend that the former is that later leaves somebody's ass hanging out but it ain't mine.  In short, welcome to FARK.jpg my ass.

Unless you're Catholic, abso-farking-lutely nobody was referring to you in any way, shape, or form before you showed up. So...why do you feel insulted again? Because people are being low-class and insulting the Vatican instead of holding a forum on the sociopolitical implications of this? That's got nothing to do with you. None of it does.

I get feeling insulted if you're Catholic. I really do have the urge to tell these guys to STFU, since my mother is a devout Catholic, and I know firsthand most liberal Catholics are utterly appalled by this shiat. But you aren't Catholic, from what you've said--you're not even related to the discussion. Is the best reason you have for offense that people aren't being high-class enough? In that case, welcometofark.jpeg is  exactly appropriate--or maybe just welcometoplanetearth.jpeg.


If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.
 
2013-07-03 02:41:00 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.


Ding.  The leviathan you feed is the leviathan that eats you.  See organized religion, governance, corporate culture.
 
2013-07-03 02:54:22 PM

bunner: Inflatable Rhetoric: If people were sufficiently appalled to stop giving them (the church) money, this wouldn't take long to fix.

Ding.  The leviathan you feed is the leviathan that eats you.  See organized religion, governance, corporate culture.


Maybe later.
 
2013-07-03 03:00:25 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric:Maybe later.

You might not.
 
2013-07-03 03:51:57 PM
Paging Edward Snowdon, paging E. Snowdon to the Courtesy phone ...
 
2013-07-03 04:13:20 PM
Relevant, but not safe for work/the squeamish:  Angtoria - God Has a Plan for Us All.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olFchpRcgao
 
2013-07-03 04:14:53 PM
for some reason I read that headline in Morgan Freeman's voice
 
2013-07-03 05:26:14 PM

Weaver95: vpb: There have always been dirty dealings going on in the Church.  When there is power or money to be had, it will attract the type of people who crave that sort of thing, and it's the perfect cover if you are a pervert.

I just don't see how the church can regain any sort of moral high ground after this.


They used to burn sodomite priests at the stake, but no, you all have to be "enilightened" and "progressive" about this, don't you?
 
2013-07-04 03:44:38 PM
At this point, I just assume that any catholic priest is a child molester.
 
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