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(Politico)   Glenn Greenwald: HEY Don't leave. You're gonna like this next one. I promise. It'll be a "bombshell" like you wouldn't believe. You will be SHOCKED. SHOCKED i say   (politico.com) divider line 268
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2013-07-03 08:42:50 AM
IT'S PEOPLE! SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OUT OF PEOPLE! THEY'RE MAKING OUR FOOD OUT OF PEOPLE!
 
2013-07-03 08:53:28 AM
"Rosebud" turns out to be his sled.
 
2013-07-03 09:07:24 AM
Glenn Greenwald is starting to take after another notorious political fame whore who shares his first name.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 09:11:44 AM
"I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting,"

Maybe this time he will release some actual evidence of that.
 
2013-07-03 09:15:51 AM

kronicfeld: Glenn Greenwald is starting to take after another notorious political fame whore who shares his first name.


The other Glenn Greenwald?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 09:19:18 AM

kronicfeld: Glenn Greenwald is starting to take after another notorious political fame whore who shares his first name.


The problem with a lot of activists is that they get so excited when they get some attention that they damage their credibility with excessive hyperbole and exaggeration.
 
2013-07-03 09:24:44 AM
If this were actually a fascist state the scoop would be Glenn Greenwald face down in a river.
 
2013-07-03 09:55:48 AM

James!: If this were actually a fascist state the scoop would be Glenn Greenwald face down in a river.


I think it's worse that we're a Constitutional Republic ruled by well-meaning fascists. They still think this is the Cold War and want to fight "terrorism" like we fought the Soviets. They know we gladly gave up a lot of our rights in the name of fighting communism just a short while ago. They figured we'd gladly do the same to be protected from the "terrorists." And, the last polling I saw showed that most of our brain-dead compatriots feel exactly that way.

vpb: The problem with a lot of activists is that they get so excited when they get some attention that they damage their credibility with excessive hyperbole and exaggeration.


This can't be repeated enough. No one is going to take them seriously if they seem like hopped up teenagers after unlocking some secret game code.

If Congress actually does revisit the USA Patriot Act, I'm sure they'll find that they were totally right. They're never scaling this sh*t back. Not ever.
 
2013-07-03 09:56:55 AM
Why isn't Glenn at Guantanamo Bay?

He's arguably doing more to hurt the security of this country more than half the other people imprisoned there.
 
2013-07-03 10:01:47 AM

markfara: "Rosebud" turns out to be his sled.


The butler did it.
 
2013-07-03 10:02:17 AM
He fixes the cable?
 
2013-07-03 10:07:15 AM
Greenwald's big scoop: "He was dead the whole time!"
 
2013-07-03 10:09:24 AM
Glenn Greenwald
Columnist, The Guardian

Columnist = Patriotic (foreign) Blogger Patriot?
 
2013-07-03 10:11:37 AM
 
2013-07-03 10:13:51 AM

James!: If this were actually a fascist state the scoop would be Glenn Greenwald face down in a river.


The interestingly derpy part is this...

Greenwald also said President Barack Obama's administration is using leaker Edward Snowden as an example to prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward.

...and yet he's blowing the whistle on the same issue. 

Not a very convincing story. Maybe he should write a book about how real heaven is.
 
2013-07-03 10:13:58 AM
Sounds like it's become personal with Obama. They're trying to turn the administration's aggressive crackdown on White House leakers into their rallying cry.
 
2013-07-03 10:14:07 AM
Greenwald's and Snowden's personalities and proclivities are the important stories here. Irrelevant are the facts that the feds have been spying on us and lying about it for years.
 
2013-07-03 10:15:32 AM
I don't know how much longer I can wait. My penis is still rigid from waiting for Michelle's "whitey" tapes.
 
2013-07-03 10:17:01 AM
Over/Under on this bombshell beginning with the words, "Some sources say.." ?
 
2013-07-03 10:18:06 AM

vpb: "I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting,"

Maybe this time he will release some actual evidence of that.


The EU seems to disagree with you.
 
2013-07-03 10:22:08 AM
I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.
 
2013-07-03 10:22:11 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Greenwald's and Snowden's personalities and proclivities are the important stories here. Irrelevant are the facts that the feds have been spying on us and lying about it for years.


Hey don't blame the sheep for bleating.  It's what sheep DO when not distracted by ooooh shinies

Or another farm animal analogy : they're used to eating the same old shiat from the same old trough and have no concept that the shiat they're being fed is not nutritious
 
2013-07-03 10:22:44 AM

NewportBarGuy: They figured we'd gladly do the same to be protected from the "terrorists." And, the last polling I saw showed that most of our brain-dead compatriots feel exactly that way.


Why do you hate democracy?
 
2013-07-03 10:23:11 AM
"Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.
 
2013-07-03 10:24:40 AM

LasersHurt: I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.


No this is the right way.  Ensures it doesn't just get buried in the "news cycle".

Just drips until it becomes a torrent.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:09 AM

nmemkha: "Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.


Well, the messenger is a douche-bag, so it's understandable.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:13 AM

nmemkha: "Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.


I think we'd all feel better about the messenger if he just gave us the farking message instead of teasing us about it.

If it's that farking important just goddamn tell us.
 
2013-07-03 10:25:21 AM

nmemkha: "Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.


The Greenwald has no clothes.  He's had his critics for quite sometime now, it's not appearing out of nowhere on this contrived issue.  He thoroughly discredited himself on drone warfare years ago.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 10:25:40 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Greenwald's and Snowden's personalities and proclivities are the important stories here. Irrelevant are the facts that the feds have been spying on us and lying about it for years.


Yes*, because the "spying" has been going on since before it was regulated in 1978 by a lawintroduced by that crypto fascist republican Ted Kennedy.


*(assuming that 'US' means foreigners in the US and people who call Al Queda on a regular basis)
 
2013-07-03 10:25:44 AM
I'm using a lot of profanity today.  Sorry folks.
 
2013-07-03 10:27:26 AM
I'm not sure why GCHQ's Tempora Project isn't getting more coverage in the US, given it''s a revelation that dwarfs PRISM.
 
2013-07-03 10:28:21 AM

nmemkha: "Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.


And the message is...what? That there will be a message sometime soon? Why would FARKers have a problem with that?
 
2013-07-03 10:28:59 AM
I like the reveals of the domestic spying programs, which are patently unconstitutional.  The people need to know these things are happening.  I don't like reveals of spying programs that we're using on Russia or China.  A country is expected to try to spy on its rivals.  They're doing the same thing to us, or at least trying to.

I'm a bit on the fence about reveals that concern spying on allies.  I imagine this is also done routinely to some degree, but if there is some gross overreach that should probably be made public as well.  On balance, whistleblowing like this is a good thing.  The secrecy of the post-9/11 American government has made such things necessary.
 
2013-07-03 10:29:12 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Greenwald's and Snowden's personalities and proclivities are the important stories here. Irrelevant are the facts that the feds have been spying on us and lying about it for years.


Anyone who's been paying attention for the last decade knew that already. People ignored the "hysterical loony left" in 2001 when we warned you this could happen, ignored us again in 2005 when the NYT published the details of how it was happening (and that time, it was without the flimsiest of "warrant"-type papers that the FISA court currently has), ignored us again in 2008 when FISA courts were given the explicit authority to eavesdrop, and ignored us AGAIN during the NDAA/PATRIOT renew debates.

But now, suddenly, it's the worst ting ever and an assault on our freedoms and the Founders would be powering Las Vegas with their spinning?

Hell, I had a political history teacher in college (I graduated in 06, this would have been 2003ish) who had been told by several people that pretty much any wireless communication (I think she specified phone-based) that happens within 50 miles of DC is recorded by the FBI/NSA.

Greenwald/Snowden's personalities are being reported on because otherwise the papers would just reprint stories from years past, or would use old dates in the stories, making it seem like old news (which is only exciting on fark). I do think it's a bit funny how now Greenwald is essentially WikiLeaks' PR guy.
 
2013-07-03 10:30:12 AM

jakomo002: LasersHurt: I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.

No this is the right way.  Ensures it doesn't just get buried in the "news cycle".

Just drips until it becomes a torrent.


No, it's not. It could still be "dripped" if needed without the "HEY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" every drip. It can be done without the "WOE, A MAN WITH NO COUNTRY" rhetoric.
 
2013-07-03 10:31:15 AM

James!: I'm using a lot of profanity today.  Sorry folks.


Can you banninate yourself?!
 
2013-07-03 10:32:49 AM

LasersHurt: I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.


You need to slow play the releases - it forces the administration and the NSA's hand on how much they will reveal or keep secret.  If the new releases contradict statements released by the NSA since the first leak, it will be especially damaging.  Makes it far more difficult for them to do damage control.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-03 10:33:23 AM

dehehn: vpb: "I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting,"

Maybe this time he will release some actual evidence of that.

The EU seems to disagree with you.


No, they don't.  They do the exact same thing.

France in particular is notorious for spying on it's allies.
 
2013-07-03 10:33:29 AM

LasersHurt: I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.


Technically, they already have.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:09 AM

nmemkha: "Shoot the messenger" is strong in this thread.


When it all dies down, FARK will go back to complaining about big, intrusive government.

Until the next "traitor" reveals how big and intrusive government is.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:23 AM

Diogenes: James!: I'm using a lot of profanity today.  Sorry folks.

Can you banninate yourself?!


fark no, I don't think that shiat is even motherfarking possible.  Penis.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:36 AM

MattStafford: LasersHurt: I've had enough grandstanding with all of this. Release everything, stop showboating, the lot of you.

You need to slow play the releases - it forces the administration and the NSA's hand on how much they will reveal or keep secret.  If the new releases contradict statements released by the NSA since the first leak, it will be especially damaging.  Makes it far more difficult for them to do damage control.


Kind of an "after the fact" argument isn't it? We have to do it this way, because if we don't, for some reason it might not seem important? But if it's that important, wouldn't it be better to get the info out, and wouldn't the story float on its own?
 
2013-07-03 10:34:58 AM

LasersHurt: No, it's not. It could still be "dripped" if needed without the "HEY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" every drip. It can be done without the "WOE, A MAN WITH NO COUNTRY" rhetoric.


The man without a country bit is the result of the media, not Greenwald/Snowden.  If Greenwald/Snowden had their way, the story would be 100% about the leaks, not the leakers.  I think you are exaggerating Greenwald's apparent hunger for the spotlight - his twitter account certainly doesn't indicate any desire to become the story.
 
2013-07-03 10:35:02 AM
It'll be yet another TS powerpoint slide with more words inside geometric shapes pointing to clouds with other words on it, proving that every movement of every American is tracked, no matter what words are actually present or absent.
 
2013-07-03 10:35:09 AM

vpb: dehehn: vpb: "I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting,"

Maybe this time he will release some actual evidence of that.

The EU seems to disagree with you.

No, they don't.  They do the exact same thing.

France in particular is notorious for spying on it's allies.


France? Engaged in espionage and underhanded dealings?

www.greenpeace.org

The Dickens, you say!!
 
2013-07-03 10:35:12 AM

LasersHurt: No, it's not. It could still be "dripped" if needed without the "HEY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" every drip. It can be done without the "WOE, A MAN WITH NO COUNTRY" rhetoric.


Did you even SEE the Fox & Friends interview where he said this ?  They asked him, "Hey any big juicy stuff you wanna share RIGHT NOW?!"

He said Not now.

He works for The Guardian, not Fox.  Takes time and EDITORS to release a story.
 
2013-07-03 10:35:55 AM
David Gregory seen walking away and whistling?
 
2013-07-03 10:36:26 AM
That the government can and does keep track of all electronic communications is only surprising to people that are astounded/horrified at their computer's seemingly magical ability to remember all of the previous websites they've visited and wonder at how the ads are amazing relevant to their interests.
 
2013-07-03 10:36:55 AM

vpb: "I will say that there are vast programs, both domestic and international spying, that the world will be shocked to learn about, that the NSA is engaged in with no democratic accountability and that's what driving our reporting,"

Maybe this time he will release some actual evidence of that.


Don't hold your breath. So far, the only shock is how willing people are to believe a demonstrable liar if he accuses the government of something bad.
 
2013-07-03 10:37:46 AM

MattStafford: LasersHurt: No, it's not. It could still be "dripped" if needed without the "HEY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME" every drip. It can be done without the "WOE, A MAN WITH NO COUNTRY" rhetoric.

The man without a country bit is the result of the media, not Greenwald/Snowden.  If Greenwald/Snowden had their way, the story would be 100% about the leaks, not the leakers.  I think you are exaggerating Greenwald's apparent hunger for the spotlight - his twitter account certainly doesn't indicate any desire to become the story.


This is incredible bullshiat. Did you read Snowden's statement from Russia? The man without a country bit was from HIS OWN MOUTH. He has kind of a martyr complex thing brewing.

It would NOT be "100% about the leaks and not the leakers." This is precisely what they want.
 
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