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(Politico)   "The mega donor glass ceiling" When you break through, finally, make sure the Koch brothers fall through the hole   (politico.com) divider line 20
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2013-07-03 09:31:25 AM  
The Statist's Lament:

1) Be upset that rich folks are buying access to the central government, therefore
2) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, then
3) Be surprised and shocked that rich folks are still buying access to the central government, therefore
4) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, expecting a different result
5) Clench fists in rage because, stunningly, rich folks are buying access to the central government
6), or perhaps 8), 10), 12) or 64) Eventually recall the definition of insanity.
 
2013-07-03 09:34:41 AM  

Gulper Eel: The Statist's


Stopped reading there. At least wait until a few more posts to drop the Limbaugh terms.
 
2013-07-03 09:42:49 AM  
The Derpist's Lament:

1) Fark is full of whiny leftist pussies.
2) And I've got nothin'.
 
2013-07-03 09:44:02 AM  

Gulper Eel: The Statist's Lament:

1) Be upset that rich folks are buying access to the central government, therefore
2) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, then
3) Be surprised and shocked that rich folks are still buying access to the central government, therefore
4) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, expecting a different result
5) Clench fists in rage because, stunningly, rich folks are buying access to the central government
6), or perhaps 8), 10), 12) or 64) Eventually recall the definition of insanity.


What power has been given to the government by statists in response to rich folks buying access?
 
2013-07-03 09:47:39 AM  
Oh, for fark's sake, does everything have to be a gender issue now?
 
2013-07-03 09:56:18 AM  
She gave about $46 million, mostly to Republican committees and super PACs, which was more than twice as much as the next top 15 women donors - combined. Her husband, Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, donated $50 million.

You know, I knew this sort of thing is going on of course, but to see it in print like that is just sickening. One couple gave away close to $100 million so a bunch of TV/radio/print ads could be run bashing Obama. Can you imagine the good that $100 million could have done in their community? How many people they could have kept off welfare/off the street? How many jobs they could have created by investing in some local businesses?

Here's a proposal: You want to keep Citizens United, allow corporations/people to donate unlimited amounts of money to politicians and PAC's? Fine. But add a requirement that every dollar donated must be met, dollar for dollar, to a pool of money that is regularly distributed to a variety of charitable organizations. I know there's a danger that corruption would just follow that money to the charities themselves, but at least make these people give something back for their ability to purchase democracy.
 
2013-07-03 09:57:03 AM  
Holy fark is this a stupid article. For years women have been top donors to campaigns because they were wives of top donors and they wanted to give more money to their candidates.
 
2013-07-03 10:01:15 AM  

Wendy's Chili: What power has been given to the government by statists in response to rich folks buying access?


Campaign finance law - every iteration of which has been and will continue to be rendered loophole-ridden and useless, and generally sooner rather than later. "Close the loopholes" is a chump's rallying cry. Close one, ten others open.

You would think intelligent people would eventually figure out that it's not the campaign that's the problem, it's the excessive power of the offices being campaigned for - but then, those same intelligent people are not immune to craving power themselves.

There's a lot to be said for public campaign financing in this regard. My own spin on it would be to make campaign money part of each elected official's office budget - if they budget X for campaign activities, any plausible challenger also gets X.
 
2013-07-03 10:15:40 AM  

Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: What power has been given to the government by statists in response to rich folks buying access?

Campaign finance law - every iteration of which has been and will continue to be rendered loophole-ridden and useless, and generally sooner rather than later. "Close the loopholes" is a chump's rallying cry. Close one, ten others open.

You would think intelligent people would eventually figure out that it's not the campaign that's the problem, it's the excessive power of the offices being campaigned for - but then, those same intelligent people are not immune to craving power themselves.

There's a lot to be said for public campaign financing in this regard. My own spin on it would be to make campaign money part of each elected official's office budget - if they budget X for campaign activities, any plausible challenger also gets X.


You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?
 
2013-07-03 10:36:29 AM  

Wendy's Chili: You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2013-07-03 10:37:20 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: What power has been given to the government by statists in response to rich folks buying access?

Campaign finance law - every iteration of which has been and will continue to be rendered loophole-ridden and useless, and generally sooner rather than later. "Close the loopholes" is a chump's rallying cry. Close one, ten others open.

You would think intelligent people would eventually figure out that it's not the campaign that's the problem, it's the excessive power of the offices being campaigned for - but then, those same intelligent people are not immune to craving power themselves.

There's a lot to be said for public campaign financing in this regard. My own spin on it would be to make campaign money part of each elected official's office budget - if they budget X for campaign activities, any plausible challenger also gets X.

You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?


He doesn't even know what "statist" means, given that he is one. It's right-wing code for "people I don't like who are a butt.
 
2013-07-03 10:45:18 AM  

Gulper Eel: The Statist's Lament:

1) Be upset that rich folks are buying access to the central government, therefore
2) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, then
3) Be surprised and shocked that rich folks are still buying access to the central government, therefore
4) Espouse policies that give the central government more power, expecting a different result
5) Clench fists in rage because, stunningly, rich folks are buying access to the central government
6), or perhaps 8), 10), 12) or 64) Eventually recall the definition of insanity.


All policies that give the central government power are exactly the same.
 
2013-07-03 10:55:22 AM  

Wendy's Chili: You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?


Compared to the ever-expanding complexity of campaign finance law, public financing (at least my version of it) has the virtues of being a) far simpler, and b) disclosing exactly who's doing the spending - either the office holder or a challenger.
 
2013-07-03 11:00:36 AM  

Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?

Compared to the ever-expanding complexity of campaign finance law, public financing (at least my version of it) has the virtues of being a) far simpler, and b) disclosing exactly who's doing the spending - either the office holder or a challenger.


...while still (presumably) allowing Central Government the ability to determine who gets access to those public funds - i.e. who gets called a "challenger". Seeing what they did to presidential debates should give you lots of pause.

// "well, you paid the $10k filing fee to run, submitted your name on the ballot in all 50 states, got petitions and valid signatures, all that seems OK, but it says here you didn't pick a party. Yeah, we're gonna need you to go ahead and re-submit all those things - new signatures on your petitions, too - by tomorrow's deadline. If you could just leave and make way for Generic Republican and Generic Democrat, they've already got their paperwork in order. Perhaps next time you'll learn how to play the Party game. Thanks!"
 
2013-07-03 11:14:44 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: You think setting limits on campaign contributions is too statist, but you endorse public financing?

Compared to the ever-expanding complexity of campaign finance law, public financing (at least my version of it) has the virtues of being a) far simpler, and b) disclosing exactly who's doing the spending - either the office holder or a challenger.

...while still (presumably) allowing Central Government the ability to determine who gets access to those public funds - i.e. who gets called a "challenger". Seeing what they did to presidential debates should give you lots of pause.

// "well, you paid the $10k filing fee to run, submitted your name on the ballot in all 50 states, got petitions and valid signatures, all that seems OK, but it says here you didn't pick a party. Yeah, we're gonna need you to go ahead and re-submit all those things - new signatures on your petitions, too - by tomorrow's deadline. If you could just leave and make way for Generic Republican and Generic Democrat, they've already got their paperwork in order. Perhaps next time you'll learn how to play the Party game. Thanks!"


That's a fair point, but ballot access law is screwed up with or without my idea or any of the other campaign finance reform ideas.
 
2013-07-03 11:27:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: That's a fair point, but ballot access law is screwed up with or without my idea or any of the other campaign finance reform ideas.


The larger point is that to divorce party from electioneering/elections would take a Herculean effort.

The only other option is to essentially blow the whole system up and start again, hoping that the same party apparatchiks don't make it all about party again. In principle, I like your idea just fine.

// this is why I keep saying we need to get a third candidate (no party) that has all the (positive) name recognition they'd ever need to run
// like a Jon Stewart (or...I dunno, someone non-derpy on the right. A smarted-up Megyn Kelly?) - give them 2-3 terms in Congress (or 1-2 in the Senate), and get them to run for the Big Chair as a small-i independent
// if enough people actually coalesce behind a "candidates, not parties" movement, we can begin governing by coalition rather than by binary party
// oh, forgot to pass - here
// *exhale*
 
2013-07-04 01:17:10 AM  
Oh look, they were kind enough to give us a load of pictures of the targs... culprits.

Damn slide show.
 
2013-07-04 01:18:08 AM  
(I didn't want to insult Klingon Targs.)
 
2013-07-04 02:34:58 PM  
I'm not ENDORSING it, but if I read a news story about the Koch brothers falling into an actual hole (a very deep one), it would make my day.
 
2013-07-04 05:13:43 PM  

Gulper Eel: The Statist's Lament:

1) Be upset that rich folks are buying access to the central government, therefore (a whole lot of derp)


Yes, it is very farked up that the rich moochers have just about all access and say in the government.  The rest of your post is short bus pudding day at the zoo.
 
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