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2013-07-03 03:33:53 AM

AndreMA: Posting encrypted random content (bonus for destroying the private key afterwards) in various places will keep the NSA computers from getting lonely... since they seem to class "accidental" collection from US citizens OK to retain for 5 years, just as they do if they think there's "evidence of a crime"

Let's fill up that new data center in Utah with encrypted lolcats.


Like I said, Tor or I2P no exit relay. Combined with what pulse for you to watch how much bandwidth you send and receive. It's pretty nice to watch the numbers.
 
2013-07-03 03:33:55 AM
America -a mildly decent country that hasn't topped a single quality of life index even way before 9/11. I think you guys should protest against corporate interests - your government is their boy toy. You're not America dammit, you're just America. A country that was way up in incarceration rates, the largest gun industry in the world, and awful healthcare and social policies, again, before 9/11. You guys (or parents) elected Reagan, in landslides, twice. For farks sake, neuter your middle man industries and lobbiests - it's a clear vote of non confidence (on your own fellow citizens even) if you think they can't make money and drive the economy without relying on unilateral trade warfare.

Or you can continue to blame the empire lite decline on immigration and government largess. Your call.
 
2013-07-03 03:35:08 AM

Mock26: Oh yeah, this will make the NSA change their ways!


Good point.  Better just accept it and do nothing then.

/Bismillahi rahmani raheem
//Allahu akhbah
///Bombs bombs bombs and more bombs.  Bomb the infidels

//Could it be theoretically possible to spam the shiat out of NSA databases by making everyone send this kind of shiat?
 
2013-07-03 03:40:35 AM
What is involved in this planned protest? Displaying a banner? Site blackout?

/might want to support this
 
2013-07-03 03:40:53 AM
*yawn*

//are we adding a green armband to the logo or what?
 
2013-07-03 03:41:01 AM
I have been on Fark for nine years. 
Once I was gifted a TotalFark pass for a month.
In a few minutes, I will pay for my own TotalFark subscription.

Shut up and take my money. Oh, and after three years, Drew can buy me a beer. Sounds fair?

/drunk.
 
2013-07-03 03:41:04 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


The thing is, even if Snowden brings us nothing but truth, all of these things are true.  We can hold our persons, houses, papers, and effects exactly as close to us as we ever did.
 
2013-07-03 03:41:24 AM
Why should anyone be worried that our government is spying on it's own citizens and only a federal judge's ruling has halted their ability to throw people into military prisons without charges or a trial???

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-07-03 03:41:31 AM

RoyBatty: If the Republicans in power weren't as corrupt as the Democrats in power, they would try and pin Obama to the wall for the next four years with the NSA scandal.


Or, you know, if President Bush hadn't created PRISM with the explicit approval of the Republican Congress, or if they hadn't opposed the few insignificant reforms he had imposed on the program. They aren't "pinning Obama to the wall on this" because they support it just as much as he does, and because any opposition coming from the Republicans in Congress would end up being just as insincere and incoherent as Romney's opposition to Obamacare was.
 
2013-07-03 03:45:25 AM

quickdraw: Can someone explain to me how what NSA is doing is more invasive than what we willingly surrender to Google all day long?


It's involuntary, like rape.
 
2013-07-03 03:49:55 AM

pkjun: RoyBatty: If the Republicans in power weren't as corrupt as the Democrats in power, they would try and pin Obama to the wall for the next four years with the NSA scandal.

Or, you know, if President Bush hadn't created PRISM with the explicit approval of the Republican Congress, or if they hadn't opposed the few insignificant reforms he had imposed on the program. They aren't "pinning Obama to the wall on this" because they support it just as much as he does, and because any opposition coming from the Republicans in Congress would end up being just as insincere and incoherent as Romney's opposition to Obamacare was.


The only difference between the Republican leadership and the Democratic leadership on this issue, is that the Republicans didn't spend years lying to America and pretending to oppose it like the Democrats did.
 
2013-07-03 03:52:02 AM

Pichu0102: AndreMA: Posting encrypted random content (bonus for destroying the private key afterwards) in various places will keep the NSA computers from getting lonely... since they seem to class "accidental" collection from US citizens OK to retain for 5 years, just as they do if they think there's "evidence of a crime"

Let's fill up that new data center in Utah with encrypted lolcats.

Like I said, Tor or I2P no exit relay. Combined with what pulse for you to watch how much bandwidth you send and receive. It's pretty nice to watch the numbers.


I work in Lehi, and I see that damned nuke target every day.  Jackasses.
 
2013-07-03 03:52:36 AM
Reddit? Wordpress? Cheezburger? 4chan? Fark?

Holy shiat, this is serious. The NSA is surely going to be quaking in its boots here. I mean, that's like five different aggregators of low-attention-span content, right there. Everyone knows that the opinion-leaders who are most likely to lead a technological revolution are the people who are also most disinclined to read anything more labor-intensive than an image macro.
 
2013-07-03 03:52:54 AM
Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?
 
2013-07-03 03:53:25 AM
The next time somebody says "Your knees are too sharp", you gotta wonder "How did you know?".
 
2013-07-03 03:54:20 AM
Is there any way we can find out who our personal NSA agent is? I'd like to send mine a sympathy card for all the long rambling lame-ass calls he's had to endure over the years.
 
2013-07-03 03:56:43 AM
San Francisco
11:00am
UN Plaza
4th of July
Restore the 4th

I WILL BE THERE
 
2013-07-03 03:57:21 AM

howdoibegin: America -a mildly decent country that hasn't topped a single quality of life index even way before 9/11. I think you guys should protest against corporate interests - your government is their boy toy. You're not America dammit, you're just America. A country that was way up in incarceration rates, the largest gun industry in the world, and awful healthcare and social policies, again, before 9/11. You guys (or parents) elected Reagan, in landslides, twice. For farks sake, neuter your middle man industries and lobbiests - it's a clear vote of non confidence (on your own fellow citizens even) if you think they can't make money and drive the economy without relying on unilateral trade warfare.

Or you can continue to blame the empire lite decline on immigration and government largess. Your call.


America is a big country with lots of people who are not getting (or wanting) all the information before they elect someone... we end up with a lot of political beauty queens who suddenly have to make economic decisions worth Trillions of dollars... but what they really know about is the right stance on abortion.
 
2013-07-03 03:57:32 AM

howdoibegin: America -a mildly decent country that hasn't topped a single quality of life index even way before 9/11. I think you guys should protest against corporate interests - your government is their boy toy. You're not America dammit, you're just America. A country that was way up in incarceration rates, the largest gun industry in the world, and awful healthcare and social policies, again, before 9/11. You guys (or parents) elected Reagan, in landslides, twice. For farks sake, neuter your middle man industries and lobbiests - it's a clear vote of non confidence (on your own fellow citizens even) if you think they can't make money and drive the economy without relying on unilateral trade warfare.

Or you can continue to blame the empire lite decline on immigration and government largess. Your call.


The silly part in your plan is that government has the prerogative of force whereas industries do not.  The industries have exactly as much power as our corrupt government gives them.  When governments regulate industries, they simply pick winners.  When the People regulate government, we're all winners.  The linchpin is exactly that body of governors whom we elect.  It is their feet we can and must hold to the fire.  It is their duty to not take kickbacks, to not play favorites, and to not turn a blind eye to injustice.  Pretending that corporations are causing government corruption pits a fool's dagger against a hydra.
 
2013-07-03 04:00:09 AM

steveGswine: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The thing is, even if Snowden brings us nothing but truth, all of these things are true.  We can hold our persons, houses, papers, and effects exactly as close to us as we ever did.


Hey, good call!  I just want copies of all of them.  You can keep the originals, cool?
 
2013-07-03 04:00:15 AM
in related news, Fark still censors the fark out of the Internet.
 
2013-07-03 04:02:42 AM

Metal: Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?


Until what time would you prefer to wait?
 
2013-07-03 04:03:27 AM

RoyBatty: If the Republicans in power weren't as corrupt as the Democrats in power, they would try and pin Obama to the wall for the next four years with the NSA scandal.

Presumably a pro gun rights party, because guns are needed to overthrow a tyrannical government, should be strong on the 4th amendment, 5th amendment and against government spying on its citizens (except of course in the bedroom because sodomy).

And unlike Benghazi, they would probably get a lot of support for that.


Fap fap fap Obama continues Bush's programs
Fap fap fap my guns will take down a tyrannous government that I have to oay taxes to
Fap fap fap liberals love sodomy
Fap fap fap BENGHAZI1!!!!!! 1!!! 11! 1! 1!
 
2013-07-03 04:06:33 AM

Wangiss: Metal: Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?

Until what time would you prefer to wait?


More like, don't bother.
 
2013-07-03 04:10:32 AM

BullBearMS: pkjun: RoyBatty: If the Republicans in power weren't as corrupt as the Democrats in power, they would try and pin Obama to the wall for the next four years with the NSA scandal.

Or, you know, if President Bush hadn't created PRISM with the explicit approval of the Republican Congress, or if they hadn't opposed the few insignificant reforms he had imposed on the program. They aren't "pinning Obama to the wall on this" because they support it just as much as he does, and because any opposition coming from the Republicans in Congress would end up being just as insincere and incoherent as Romney's opposition to Obamacare was.

The only difference between the Republican leadership and the Democratic leadership on this issue, is that the Republicans didn't spend years lying to America and pretending to oppose it like the Democrats did.


Um, yes, that is my point precisely. The Republicans are not making political hay on this because they have an even stronger record of support for this program than the Democrats do.

As for Obama? To the best of my knowledge, he didn't lie about his stance on it. He did exactly what he said he would do--require FISA warrants--and not one thing more. If you thought he was going to be a dove or a civil libertarian, that's kind of your fault. He never gave any indication of being so.

I guess I'm in the "complete apathy" camp regarding this. We've known about NSA wiretaps since 2006. Obama never gave me any reason to believe he would stop it. And I think it's telling that, for the most part, the sites that are protesting this are the sites that are most heavily trafficked by people who were too young to pay attention to politics seven years ago when this story broke.
 
2013-07-03 04:11:18 AM

fusillade762: We do?


Fark does.

You'll get over it.
 
2013-07-03 04:11:46 AM
Are we going to burn a flag?

Oh, that's what I do to celebrate my right to free speech.

What do you do to celebrate your right to be free from unreasonable warrants?
 
2013-07-03 04:13:31 AM

Metal: Wangiss: Metal: Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?

Until what time would you prefer to wait?

More like, don't bother.


Perhaps I should have been clearer: What is the smallest constitutional breach that could rouse you to action?  Do they have to start quartering soldiers in your house?
 
2013-07-03 04:14:52 AM
Scorecard Research just popped up a survey.  I filled it out voluntarily, like good sex.
 
2013-07-03 04:15:38 AM

Metal: Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?


Better late, than never...
 
2013-07-03 04:16:08 AM

stonelotus: in related news, Fark still censors the fark out of the Internet.


When I can use uncensored swear words here, maybe I'll be impressed, yeah.
 
2013-07-03 04:18:11 AM
Eh.

Wake me up when Fark has a protest against troll accounts in the politics tab.
 
2013-07-03 04:18:15 AM

pkjun: And I think it's telling that, for the most part, the sites that are protesting this are the sites that are most heavily trafficked by people who were too young to pay attention to politics seven years ago when this story broke.


Or perhaps the ones more likely to be party van'd!  Silly 4chan pedos and anarchists.

So, we've got criminals, people too young to understand why this is OK, people too old to understand why this is OK, people too naive to understand why this is OK, people too ignorant to understand why this is OK, traitors country, foreigners, and the ACLU.

Hm, any other ways we can slander opposition to government overreach in the name of "Meh, who cares?"
 
2013-07-03 04:18:35 AM
There are moments in time like this that I truly wish James Brown was alive and well. G'bless
 
2013-07-03 04:18:47 AM

pkjun: As for Obama? To the best of my knowledge, he didn't lie about his stance on it.


You are mistaken.

Obama specifically said there would be No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime".

This is exactly what is going on now.

Then there is his much more recent lie that Congress had been fully informed about what was going on.

A few members on the intelligence committees who were unable to speak to the public about what they know is not even close to the same thing.
 
2013-07-03 04:18:58 AM

sendtodave: traitors country


traitors to their country, even
 
2013-07-03 04:22:08 AM

sendtodave: pkjun: And I think it's telling that, for the most part, the sites that are protesting this are the sites that are most heavily trafficked by people who were too young to pay attention to politics seven years ago when this story broke.

Or perhaps the ones more likely to be party van'd!  Silly 4chan pedos and anarchists.

So, we've got criminals, people too young to understand why this is OK, people too old to understand why this is OK, people too naive to understand why this is OK, people too ignorant to understand why this is OK, traitors country, foreigners, and the ACLU.

Hm, any other ways we can slander opposition to government overreach in the name of "Meh, who cares?"


Favorited.
 
2013-07-03 04:24:08 AM

berylman: There are moments in time like this that I truly wish James Brown was alive and well. G'bless


To sing "I feel good"?
 
2013-07-03 04:24:53 AM

Wrencher: Metal: Who hasn't known NSA uses every chance to spy? oh but NOW we want to do something?

Better late, than never...


This
 
2013-07-03 04:29:11 AM

pkjun: If you thought he was going to be a dove or a civil libertarian, that's kind of your fault. He never gave any indication of being so.


Holy shiat. How did I miss this total lie?

Obama never claimed he was a Constitutional Scholar who would restore the rule of law after years of lawless Bush behavior???
 
2013-07-03 04:29:49 AM

sendtodave: pkjun: And I think it's telling that, for the most part, the sites that are protesting this are the sites that are most heavily trafficked by people who were too young to pay attention to politics seven years ago when this story broke.

Or perhaps the ones more likely to be party van'd!  Silly 4chan pedos and anarchists.

So, we've got criminals, people too young to understand why this is OK, people too old to understand why this is OK, people too naive to understand why this is OK, people too ignorant to understand why this is OK, traitors country, foreigners, and the ACLU.

Hm, any other ways we can slander opposition to government overreach in the name of "Meh, who cares?"


Internet revolutionaries who think they mean something because they cause a headline.
 
2013-07-03 04:31:10 AM

BullBearMS: pkjun: If you thought he was going to be a dove or a civil libertarian, that's kind of your fault. He never gave any indication of being so.

Holy shiat. How did I miss this total lie?

Obama never claimed he was a Constitutional Scholar who would restore the rule of law after years of lawless Bush behavior???


Rule of law doesn't pertain to those with power.

/that's the joke.
 
2013-07-03 04:31:56 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: DeathByGeekSquad: I'd be curious to know how many people join/joined these protests because of what other people told them.

That and people who are just plain clueless.  The idea that someone is reading your email is just silly.  There are an estimated 89 billion emails per day sent.  Projected to be over 100 billion per day by next year.  And that, btw, is just a tiny fraction of all internet traffic. No one is reading your email (probably not even your intended recipient), no  one is watching you download porn.  You aren't that special.  This is THE biggest clueless outrage over very little in a while.


Are you really so naive? They certainly cannot read every single email sent, but they can certainly do filtering, sentiment analysis, key word tracking, etc.. on your emails. As soon as you are flagged, the certainly then can start watching your emails.

This is a perfect example of a rather innocuous misunderstanding, leading to two kids being denied entry to the US for no legitimate reason

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/think-before-you-tweet-why-two-teen ag ers-were-refused-entry-to-the-u-s/2802
 
2013-07-03 04:32:13 AM

Wangiss: What is the smallest constitutional breach that could rouse you to action?  Do they have to start quartering soldiers in your house?


There is none, and they may. Breaches happen, voting responds.

You didn't answer my questions. Where was your action in the last 10 years?  Why now if not then?
 
2013-07-03 04:33:35 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Internet revolutionaries who think they mean something because they cause a headline.


I think I covered those.

But I like your "can't win, don't try" attitude!
 
2013-07-03 04:34:48 AM

quickdraw: Can someone explain to me how what NSA is doing is more invasive than what we willingly surrender to Google all day long?


I don't even know where to begin, save to say that this blasé attitude towards domestic surveillance is exactly the kind of thing authoritarian regimes depend on.

It makes it really easy for them to roll over you if you're already laying down.

And it makes it harder for the rest if us to stand up to them.
 
2013-07-03 04:35:31 AM

ghostwind: Are you really so naive?


Nope the people who think someone is reading their emails and intercepting their calls are.  That was, well...sort of the point?
 
2013-07-03 04:40:31 AM

Lernaeus: quickdraw: Can someone explain to me how what NSA is doing is more invasive than what we willingly surrender to Google all day long?

I don't even know where to begin, save to say that this blasé attitude towards domestic surveillance is exactly the kind of thing authoritarian regimes depend on.

It makes it really easy for them to roll over you if you're already laying down.

And it makes it harder for the rest if us to stand up to them.


Begin somewhere. How is what they're doing worse than what people vomit all over Facebook every single day? I won't even ask you to be specific, just a general answer will do. Just answer this question:

Right now, I can go on any random Facebook wall and find out where any random person is eating, what they're eating, who they're eating with; where they shop, what they wear, what they drive, where they work, who they work with; the approximate location of their home, who their spouse is, their kids if any, where their kids go to school and what they do there; their hobbies and favorite pastimes. And they put all that out there for anyone who wants it, to peruse at their leisure.

All the NSA did was ask Verizon for ISP addresses.

Why is NSA's information gathering so dreadful?
 
2013-07-03 04:49:15 AM

ghostwind: This is a perfect example of a rather innocuous misunderstanding, leading to two kids being denied entry to the US for no legitimate reason

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/think-before-you-tweet-why-two-teen ag ers-were-refused-entry-to-the-u-s/2802


BTW, you may want to find a better example if you want to register higher than a 0.00 on the outrage meter.  For one thing tweets are public information that anyone can see.  And secondly, there is no "right" for non-citizens to enter the U.S.  All in all that wasn't quite enough to convince me of the pervasive "this is the end of freedom, we are all doomed" attitude.

/P.S. the guy at your next job interview will be reading your tweets also.
 
2013-07-03 04:50:06 AM
Oh, and it's worth reminding everyone that July 4th isn't 'Murrica: F*ck Yeah! Day.

It's Independence Day.

Please remember why that's a virtue, not just as a nation (ideally) beholden to no other, but why independence is a virtue of *individuals*.

Maybe a little reflection on that might help those who shrug their shoulders at unlimited, unchecked government power understand why that's a bad thing.
 
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