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(Daily Mail)   Washington State to remove 'gender biased language'. Terms such as 'fisherman', 'freshman' and even 'journeyman plumber' to be replaced with 'fisher', 'first-year-student' and 'journey-level plumber'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 151
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2013-07-03 07:36:46 AM
Washington state is getting neutered.
 
2013-07-03 07:48:32 AM
Replacing "fisherman" with "fister" would also require a change in vocation.

Argh!  I'm always misreading.

Wait.  "miss" reading?   That should be, um, "incorrectly interpreting the written or printed language"
 
2013-07-03 07:51:05 AM
Repeats will now be known as repersons.
 
2013-07-03 08:02:37 AM
This will go down in herstory.
 
2013-07-03 08:15:30 AM
What a fisher may look like:
fishercatscreech.com
 
2013-07-03 08:17:39 AM
This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.

I don't think you make things much clearer, less "offensive," or less annoying if you keep it OR change it. Kind of a lose-lose, but also supremely unimportant.

Maybe in a few specific instances, it might be good to change it.
 
2013-07-03 08:22:46 AM
Woman and human have man in them too.

Woperson and Huperson.
 
2013-07-03 08:34:11 AM
Female will now be Fesapien.  What I am saying is, language changes but that doesn't remotely change how people treat each other.

Previously it was ok to call people idiots, now people just say special.  What you have to combat is people's treatment of those with mental disabilities and illnesses, not their language.

/Oh and don't bring up how an accomplished female will have a better time in the workplace because someone has to fill a quota or something.  They don't like to hear it.  It really poops on what they have done.
 
2013-07-03 08:35:43 AM
Stewardesses are still just waitresses in the sky.
 
2013-07-03 08:35:59 AM
Still OK to refer to a ship or the earth as she?
 
2013-07-03 08:36:28 AM
What happens in French or Spanish class?
 
2013-07-03 08:36:35 AM
I was told this is double-plus good.
 
2013-07-03 08:36:44 AM
Journey-level plumber? The wrench on the pipe keeps on turnin?
 
2013-07-03 08:36:47 AM
I see where the name of the "Dick's Sporting Goods" chain is being changed to "Genitals' Sporting Goods".
 
2013-07-03 08:37:08 AM
You don't mind a bit of man power, do ya?
 
2013-07-03 08:37:45 AM
Can I get a new fatherboard for my new computer, please?
 
2013-07-03 08:37:59 AM
Will they change the Starbucks logo?
 
2013-07-03 08:38:07 AM

legion_of_doo: What happens in French or Spanish class?


In my case?  Confusion and naps.
 
2013-07-03 08:38:11 AM

DubtodaIll: Journey-level plumber? The wrench on the pipe keeps on turnin?


Don't stop believing, my friend.
 
2013-07-03 08:38:47 AM

legion_of_doo


What happens in French or Spanish class?


What happens in French or Spanish class STAYS in French or Spanish class.
 
2013-07-03 08:39:02 AM

LasersHurt: This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.

I don't think you make things much clearer, less "offensive," or less annoying if you keep it OR change it. Kind of a lose-lose, but also supremely unimportant.

Maybe in a few specific instances, it might be good to change it.


It's funny because in the fight for supremacy, feminists are actually otherizing women. Why not be done with the women denominator as a whole then and have every person be called a man regardless of their sex/gender? Differentiating just get nebulous every day and it's actually the basis of most of the discrimination against anything that isn't a man. If everybody was a man, then we wouldn't have the conundrum of gay marriage.

What's the importance of differentiating anyway? Plus with the fracture of current society in terms of sex and gender, it's kind of a moot point since it's not a binary thing anymore.
 
2013-07-03 08:39:25 AM
What's the new name for this?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-03 08:39:27 AM
What are the alternatives to manholes, guy-wires, and buoys?
 
2013-07-03 08:39:59 AM
This is what happens when you have people perpetually upset.
 
2013-07-03 08:40:56 AM
Well, that's just your opinion, man.
 
2013-07-03 08:40:57 AM

Ecobuckeye: What are the alternatives to manholes, guy-wires, and buoys?


vaginas, pubic hair, boobies
 
2013-07-03 08:41:05 AM

Ecobuckeye: What are the alternatives to manholes, guy-wires, and buoys?


Personhole.
 
2013-07-03 08:41:06 AM

LasersHurt: This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.


So is the word "people".
 
2013-07-03 08:41:46 AM
Isn't the whole state named after a man?
 
2013-07-03 08:41:52 AM
All the cool kids say "angler".
 
2013-07-03 08:42:13 AM
I think this is dumb, but I am surprised every time I see a "men working" sign on the road.
 
2013-07-03 08:42:29 AM

Ecobuckeye: What are the alternatives to manholes, guy-wires, and buoys?


Sewer Caps.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:03 AM

rocky_howard: LasersHurt: This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.

I don't think you make things much clearer, less "offensive," or less annoying if you keep it OR change it. Kind of a lose-lose, but also supremely unimportant.

Maybe in a few specific instances, it might be good to change it.

It's funny because in the fight for supremacy, feminists are actually otherizing women. Why not be done with the women denominator as a whole then and have every person be called a man regardless of their sex/gender? Differentiating just get nebulous every day and it's actually the basis of most of the discrimination against anything that isn't a man. If everybody was a man, then we wouldn't have the conundrum of gay marriage.

What's the importance of differentiating anyway? Plus with the fracture of current society in terms of sex and gender, it's kind of a moot point since it's not a binary thing anymore.


I like bsg because they call everyone sir regardless. I imagine those would be the little things a society needs to make it to equality.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:03 AM
Fark off, "Daily Fail"
 
2013-07-03 08:43:12 AM
Language changes over time.

Imagine if you still had to fit your bees knees into your cat's pajamas.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:19 AM
And...? It's their institution, they can have their own policies regarding attempts at reducing sexism if they want. Besides, the language we use does influence the way we think. And decades of research has shown time and again how small cues in our environment - such as the language we read/hear others use - influences us in small but meaningful ways. It'll just be interesting to see if either (a) the institution rescinds the policy if it turns out it has no appreciable effect on sexist attitudes or if (b) the people who find this stupid and a waste of time would apologize if it turns out something like this does have an appreciable effect on sexist attitudes.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:28 AM
As we all know, Carlin predicted this.

Person-hole cover.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:32 AM

rocky_howard: It's funny because in the fight for supremacy, feminists are actually otherizing women.


I think this is more the purvue of the "older" versions of feminism, or at least dwindling. (also supremacy is not the goal of any reasonable Feminist) My fiancee has explained the assorted "waves" of feminism, though I've only picked up parts here and there because the topic is slightly less riveting to me than it is to her.

Essentially, as an idea, it's growing and refining and moving towards general "humanism". The "othering" will continue for a while, because while things are getting better in the developed world, there's still basic foundations yet to be laid in lots of the developing world.
 
2013-07-03 08:44:19 AM

Hermione_Granger: LasersHurt: This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.

So is the word "people".


Right, but if we acknowledge that both work in general... why get too arsed about changing?
 
2013-07-03 08:44:21 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

What a 'journey-level' anything might look like.
 
2013-07-03 08:45:42 AM
Are there really women that are bothered by this sort of thing?

And when I say "man," I'm talking about man as in mankind, not man as in men...I mean, you a woman and all, but we man.
 
2013-07-03 08:46:18 AM

Mose: As we all know, Carlin predicted this.

Person-hole cover.


That would make a he-man an it person!

/for it's a jolly good person
 
2013-07-03 08:46:32 AM

thecpt: You don't mind a bit of man power, do ya?


This is horseshiat, wait mareshiat.
 
2013-07-03 08:46:35 AM
I'm pretty sure Carlin did a whole bit on this a long time ago
 
2013-07-03 08:46:50 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Replacing "fisherman" with "fister" would also require a change in vocation.

Argh!  I'm always misreading.

Wait.  "miss" reading?   That should be, um, "incorrectly interpreting the written or printed language"


Fist her? Well, okay, let me get the lube....
 
2013-07-03 08:47:01 AM
You know what female fishermen call themselves?
Fishermen.
 
2013-07-03 08:47:15 AM
Reminds me of when LA banned any product with "master" or "slave" labels.  Like hard drives (this was back in the PATA/IDE days) or any kind of paired devices where one controlled the other.  No more master control panels for you!
 
2013-07-03 08:47:58 AM

Cold_Sassy: Fark off, "Daily Fail"


The Daily Mail loves nothing more than proudly fighting sexism while running a "Femail" section all about which celebrities have the worst bikini bodies, which starlets just turned legal age, and why working women are killing society and their own babies.
 
2013-07-03 08:48:16 AM
So, we'll have husband-beater too now?

/Wait, its called wife
 
2013-07-03 08:48:52 AM
So instead of saying, "we interfaced a master to a slave device in freshman electronics" you say, "we interfaced a master to a slave device in first year electronics." And then it's no longer offensive.
 
2013-07-03 08:49:43 AM

jtown: Reminds me of when LA banned any product with "master" or "slave" labels.  Like hard drives (this was back in the PATA/IDE days) or any kind of paired devices where one controlled the other.  No more master control panels for you!


Male and female plugs/sockets are still OK though.

/Yet this one cracks me up more than the others.
 
2013-07-03 08:50:37 AM

HailRobonia: I_Am_Weasel: Replacing "fisherman" with "fister" would also require a change in vocation.

Argh!  I'm always misreading.

Wait.  "miss" reading?   That should be, um, "incorrectly interpreting the written or printed language"

Fist her? Well, okay, let me get the lube....


I can tell you're a feminist because you're going to use lube
 
2013-07-03 08:51:59 AM

ManRay: Are there really women that are bothered by this sort of thing?


No, but I'll bet there are lots of womyn who have a big problem with it.
 
2013-07-03 08:52:08 AM

jtown: Reminds me of when LA banned any product with "master" or "slave" labels.  Like hard drives (this was back in the PATA/IDE days) or any kind of paired devices where one controlled the other.  No more master control panels for you!


Or master and slave cylinders on your car.
 
2013-07-03 08:53:12 AM

This text is now purple: Isn't the whole state named after a man?


They're renaming Washington State to "Why The Chinese Will One Day Eat Us Alive".
 
2013-07-03 08:53:58 AM

Xcott: So instead of saying, "we interfaced a master to a slave device in freshman electronics" you say, "we interfaced a master to a slave device in first year electronics." And then it's no longer offensive.


That depends on if you're referring to "Intro to Computer Science" or "Intro to BDSM"
 
2013-07-03 08:54:18 AM
And yet when I try to be gender neutral and refer to a woman as 'it' I get yelled at.
 
2013-07-03 08:55:54 AM
And "menopause" and "menstruation"? What of them?
 
2013-07-03 08:56:44 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Cold_Sassy: Fark off, "Daily Fail"

The Daily Mail loves nothing more than proudly fighting sexism while running a "Femail" section all about which celebrities have the worst bikini bodies, which starlets just turned legal age, and why working women are killing society and their own babies.


Yes, and it is always directed at someone other than the UK, where they have no problems whatsoever :)
 
2013-07-03 09:06:00 AM
I'm waiting for humans to get renamed "humes".
 
2013-07-03 09:08:06 AM
Is that a mandate?

/In related news, like vegans and PETA, it is rapidly becoming impossible to parody feminists anymore.
 
2013-07-03 09:08:23 AM
Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.
 
2013-07-03 09:10:09 AM

WhippingBoy: And "menopause" and "menstruation"? What of them?


read we're supposed to blame those on men, so leave them "as is" to keep shaming them.
 
2013-07-03 09:10:19 AM

LasersHurt: This is sort of one of those "A point but also not a point" things. On the one hand, calling everything "man" MIGHT be inaccurate or annoying, as most things are open to both genders. On the other, we also are hu-mans who are part of man-kind, etc. "Man" has also always been a generic term for humans.

I don't think you make things much clearer, less "offensive," or less annoying if you keep it OR change it. Kind of a lose-lose, but also supremely unimportant.

Maybe in a few specific instances, it might be good to change it.


If women wanted to be treated as equals in language, they should have been made equal by God, instead as property to be traded away for land rights and protection. This is clearly an attack on Man's dominance over the lesser gender! Whats that honey? Coming. No dear I am not being mean on the internet. Yes wife, whatever you want.
 
2013-07-03 09:11:25 AM

WhippingBoy: Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.


They don't want to kill men...more like they don't want any default reference or status in society to be gendered.  You know how in the French language, EVERY word is either masculine or feminine?  That's the opposite of what they want.

Basically, take gender identity out of society, period.
 
2013-07-03 09:12:48 AM

Brakefornobody: Is that a mandate?

/In related news, like vegans and PETA, it is rapidly becoming impossible to parody feminists anymore.


I used to go on the defensive a bit whenever anyone told me that they were a feminist. Now I just laugh and laugh and laugh.
 
2013-07-03 09:16:02 AM

Lexx: WhippingBoy: Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.

They don't want to kill men...more like they don't want any default reference or status in society to be gendered.  You know how in the French language, EVERY word is either masculine or feminine?  That's the opposite of what they want.

Basically, take gender identity out of society, period.


Its that way with Spanish too.  You'd have to change the entire language.  Compared to these other languages, English if far more gender neutral.
 
2013-07-03 09:16:35 AM
Just asked my journeyman if she minds being called one or if she wanted to be called a journey level luthier, she rolled her eyes and said "if that's all someone has to biatch about then they seriously need a reality check"
 
2013-07-03 09:18:59 AM
So are they going to get rid of Women also? Make it Wo? or Ho? or I don't know, anything that doesn't have man in it?
 
2013-07-03 09:21:43 AM
How are we going to manage... oh crap, sorry... in the face of all these demands... CRAP... stupidstupidstupid... to rid ourselves of this mangey... AHHHHHHH!

I'm sorry... I've tried to be a good neuter... I just... I just... stop my mandibles... oh that's it. I give up.
 
2013-07-03 09:21:53 AM

Kevua: So are they going to get rid of Women also? Make it Wo? or Ho? or I don't know, anything that doesn't have man in it?


Womyn.  You hadn't heard?
 
2013-07-03 09:22:29 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
"The English language is all about subliminal domination. Take the word "semester". It's a perfect example of this school's discriminatory preference of semen to ovaries. That's why I ' m petitioning to have next term be referred to as Winter Ovester."
 
2013-07-03 09:23:02 AM

Abuse Liability: Lexx: WhippingBoy: Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.

They don't want to kill men...more like they don't want any default reference or status in society to be gendered.  You know how in the French language, EVERY word is either masculine or feminine?  That's the opposite of what they want.

Basically, take gender identity out of society, period.

Its that way with Spanish too.  You'd have to change the entire language.  Compared to these other languages, English if far more gender neutral.


Not just Spanish and French.  Every romance language (Latin, Portuguese, Italian, and other minor ones).  The gender-neutralization is just a over the top.  Sure, language evolves over time, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
2013-07-03 09:23:08 AM
The murder of the English language is just one of many crimes committed in the name of political correctness.
 
2013-07-03 09:23:24 AM

Lexx: I'm waiting for humans to get renamed "humes".


finalfantasy.neoseeker.com
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
www.marxists.org
 
2013-07-03 09:23:53 AM
So I take it they'll be getting rid of gender-specific bathrooms and sanitary napkin dispensers next. They'd better be.
 
2013-07-03 09:25:08 AM

ramblinwreck: Abuse Liability: Lexx: WhippingBoy: Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.

They don't want to kill men...more like they don't want any default reference or status in society to be gendered.  You know how in the French language, EVERY word is either masculine or feminine?  That's the opposite of what they want.

Basically, take gender identity out of society, period.

Its that way with Spanish too.  You'd have to change the entire language.  Compared to these other languages, English if far more gender neutral.

Not just Spanish and French.  Every romance language (Latin, Portuguese, Italian, and other minor ones).  The gender-neutralization is just a over the top.  Sure, language evolves over time, but this is getting ridiculous.


They're hoping to change the thinking of humanity by changing the very way that human thought & language is framed.  It's actually a pretty smart way to go about it.
 
2013-07-03 09:26:14 AM
Cock-man oppressor!!

content7.flixster.com


pic is borrowed

gutter is a tool
 
2013-07-03 09:27:34 AM

Lexx: ramblinwreck: Abuse Liability: Lexx: WhippingBoy: Why don't we just kill all men? That's what they're really going for here.

They don't want to kill men...more like they don't want any default reference or status in society to be gendered.  You know how in the French language, EVERY word is either masculine or feminine?  That's the opposite of what they want.

Basically, take gender identity out of society, period.

Its that way with Spanish too.  You'd have to change the entire language.  Compared to these other languages, English if far more gender neutral.

Not just Spanish and French.  Every romance language (Latin, Portuguese, Italian, and other minor ones).  The gender-neutralization is just a over the top.  Sure, language evolves over time, but this is getting ridiculous.

They're hoping to change the thinking of humanity by changing the very way that human thought & language is framed.  It's actually a pretty smart way to go about it.


Agrees:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-03 09:28:38 AM

Lexx: Kevua: So are they going to get rid of Women also? Make it Wo? or Ho? or I don't know, anything that doesn't have man in it?

Womyn.  You hadn't heard?


Joke's on the wimminfolk, then, because they've just inserted a "Y" chromosome into their name.
 
2013-07-03 09:28:44 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Cock-man oppressor!!

[content7.flixster.com image 104x248]

pic is borrowed

gutter is a tool


anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com

Incoming First-year students
 
2013-07-03 09:34:09 AM

WhippingBoy: So I take it they'll be getting rid of gender-specific bathrooms and sanitary napkin dispensers next. They'd better be.


Why even have different locker rooms? I applaud our gender neutral overlords.  This is going to be sweet.  I mean why shower seperately? We're not defined by our genitals

/starship troopers Link to NSFW video
 
2013-07-03 09:39:54 AM
Jesusephina Christine, not this shiat again.
 
2013-07-03 09:46:16 AM

ManRay: Are there really women that are bothered by this sort of thing?

And when I say "man," I'm talking about man as in mankind, not man as in men...I mean, you a woman and all, but we man.


For my part, I wouldn't say I'm *bothered*, but neither would I say I disapprove of the changes either. A lot of these subtle changes have already made their way into the lexicon without issues, like fire fighters instead of firemen.

There is still a presumption, even in the US, that male is the default. This is an incorrect assumption, since there are actually more women than men. But we are encouraged to think this way, from past biases which shape our perceptions subtly. Movies are all about men, most acclaimed books are, most acclaimed authors are, most politicians are, most historical figures are, most famous scientists are. I have no idea what the male to female ratio is on fark, but unless I make a comment specifically betraying my gender, I am assumed to be male. It doesn't bother me, but it is interesting too.

\It would be nice if there was a gender-neutral pronoun. So much easier. I think "they" is becoming something of a singular gender neutral pronoun, but this causes apoplexy in the grammar nazis.
 
2013-07-03 09:50:21 AM

Qellaqan: ManRay: Are there really women that are bothered by this sort of thing?

And when I say "man," I'm talking about man as in mankind, not man as in men...I mean, you a woman and all, but we man.

For my part, I wouldn't say I'm *bothered*, but neither would I say I disapprove of the changes either. A lot of these subtle changes have already made their way into the lexicon without issues, like fire fighters instead of firemen.

There is still a presumption, even in the US, that male is the default. This is an incorrect assumption, since there are actually more women than men. But we are encouraged to think this way, from past biases which shape our perceptions subtly. Movies are all about men, most acclaimed books are, most acclaimed authors are, most politicians are, most historical figures are, most famous scientists are. I have no idea what the male to female ratio is on fark, but unless I make a comment specifically betraying my gender, I am assumed to be male. It doesn't bother me, but it is interesting too.

\It would be nice if there was a gender-neutral pronoun. So much easier. I think "they" is becoming something of a singular gender neutral pronoun, but this causes apoplexy in the grammar nazis.


"ze" The ridiculous word you're looking for is "ze".
 
2013-07-03 09:53:03 AM

WhippingBoy: Qellaqan: ManRay: Are there really women that are bothered by this sort of thing?

And when I say "man," I'm talking about man as in mankind, not man as in men...I mean, you a woman and all, but we man.

For my part, I wouldn't say I'm *bothered*, but neither would I say I disapprove of the changes either. A lot of these subtle changes have already made their way into the lexicon without issues, like fire fighters instead of firemen.

There is still a presumption, even in the US, that male is the default. This is an incorrect assumption, since there are actually more women than men. But we are encouraged to think this way, from past biases which shape our perceptions subtly. Movies are all about men, most acclaimed books are, most acclaimed authors are, most politicians are, most historical figures are, most famous scientists are. I have no idea what the male to female ratio is on fark, but unless I make a comment specifically betraying my gender, I am assumed to be male. It doesn't bother me, but it is interesting too.

\It would be nice if there was a gender-neutral pronoun. So much easier. I think "they" is becoming something of a singular gender neutral pronoun, but this causes apoplexy in the grammar nazis.

"ze" The ridiculous word you're looking for is "ze".


no, ze is already used for when you want to say "the" but in a German accent.
 
2013-07-03 09:54:20 AM
Why am I still surprised that there is such a cadre of men that apparently get their knickers in an enormous wad over this? There is some evidence that language biases perception, and it's not going to hurt anyone.

\At my university, the freshmen are all called first-years because Saint Jefferson said no one ever stops learning.
\\It's stupid, but whatever, you get used to it.
 
2013-07-03 09:54:48 AM
This was handled in the very first part of the first title of the United States Code; "1 USC § 1 - Words denoting number, gender, and so forth ":

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-
words importing the singular include and apply to several persons, parties, or things;
words importing the plural include the singular;
words importing the masculine gender include the feminine as well;
<SNIP>


The use of "he or she" is awkward and inefficient, and generally a waste of time.  "First World Problems," indeed.  When someone violates 1 USC § 1, prosecute them for it.  When someone offends you by saying "policeman", get over yourself.
 
2013-07-03 09:55:48 AM
Incredible that a few vocal "feminists" can womanipulate the state like this.
 
2013-07-03 09:56:04 AM

MythDragon: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x468]
"The English language is all about subliminal domination. Take the word "semester". It's a perfect example of this school's discriminatory preference of semen to ovaries. That's why I ' m petitioning to have next term be referred to as Winter Ovester


That's my friend's sister. Good to see her on Fark.

/CSS
 
2013-07-03 09:59:03 AM
To be fair, standard curricula for varying subjects graduate on an average of anywhere from three years (education) to five years (engineering), and people can take more or fewer courses per term to vary that even more.  So the terms "freshman" "senior" and so on have been meaningless in the context of college for a while, even when I was in undergrad (a while back now) we were already using first-year/second-year/etc.

Sure, they make sense in a high school, where there's a standard basically-mandatory graduation track that's four years in length, but they've been gibberish with respect to post-secondary ed for quite some time now.

Qellaqan: It would be nice if there was a gender-neutral pronoun.


"He"/"him"/"his", etc, are gender-neutral in standard English.  It's not an "assumption that male is default", it's just the default pronoun in general.  The only reason we have gendered pronouns at all is to deal with the words and phrases we stole from French, honestly.

Most modern writing considers "She/her" an appropriate neutral as well, so long as you're consistent, this is an issue where even the professional linguists suffer from a severe and crippling dearth of farks given.

That's actually why these kinds of policies sometimes happen, the only people that give even the slightest fark about this are the ones that don't really understand the basic practicalities of a living language, the people opposed don't really have the care-factor to point out all the time exactly why they're retarded.
 
2013-07-03 10:01:29 AM
Yakima to become Yakiparents
Walla Walla to become Walla Wallo
 
2013-07-03 10:05:15 AM
Would somebody nuke Seattle, please?
 
2013-07-03 10:06:02 AM
People who neither know the language nor its history come up with stupid stuff like this. Don't they teach this stuff in school any more. I learned in third grade, 1962, that often, when used by itself, the word "man" means male human. However, when used as a suffix "man" means "human being" and always did. It is completely gender free. Go find the definition of "wifman" and "wereman" and get back to me.
 
2013-07-03 10:08:15 AM

Gunny Highway: Stewardesses are still just waitresses in the sky.


Stewardesses have steward in them.
Often.
 
2013-07-03 10:09:41 AM

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, standard curricula for varying subjects graduate on an average of anywhere from three years (education) to five years (engineering), and people can take more or fewer courses per term to vary that even more.  So the terms "freshman" "senior" and so on have been meaningless in the context of college for a while, even when I was in undergrad (a while back now) we were already using first-year/second-year/etc.

Sure, they make sense in a high school, where there's a standard basically-mandatory graduation track that's four years in length, but they've been gibberish with respect to post-secondary ed for quite some time now.

Qellaqan: It would be nice if there was a gender-neutral pronoun.

"He"/"him"/"his", etc, are gender-neutral in standard English.  It's not an "assumption that male is default", it's just the default pronoun in general.  The only reason we have gendered pronouns at all is to deal with the words and phrases we stole from French, honestly.

Most modern writing considers "She/her" an appropriate neutral as well, so long as you're consistent, this is an issue where even the professional linguists suffer from a severe and crippling dearth of farks given.

That's actually why these kinds of policies sometimes happen, the only people that give even the slightest fark about this are the ones that don't really understand the basic practicalities of a living language, the people opposed don't really have the care-factor to point out all the time exactly why they're retarded.


He is gendered in english. Would you refer to a female professor as he? Then it's a gendered pronoun. Just because academically something has a definition doesn't mean it hold that definition colloquially. In chinese, there isn't gender to pronouns, and that seems so much nicer to me. I'd like to be able to talk about someone and not necessarily identify their gender to the listener, if it's irrelevant to them. The way we use pronouns, no matter what we're talking about, the gender of the subject is always brought up. Especially in writing (particular my own interest, science fiction) I'd love a widely accepted pronoun that's gender neuter but not "it".

Don't kid yourself, there is still a ton of bias. Only as a male could you blithely say it doesn't exist. A couple handy examples from the scifi world:  http://io9.com/5967253/female-science-fiction-and-fantasy-authors-sti l l-using-male-pseudonyms ,  http://io9.com/handy-charts-reveal-why-youve-never-heard-of-most-fema - 478627713

No one's making you care, but why reply with obvious nonsense?
 
2013-07-03 10:28:55 AM
Thank goodness, those poor women are so delicate and fragile that they need to be protected from such sexist words.
 
2013-07-03 10:32:59 AM

Kevua: So are they going to get rid of Women also? Make it Wo? or Ho? or I don't know, anything that doesn't have man in it?


The term "wife" would work. They rarely have a man in them.
 
2013-07-03 10:34:37 AM

Qellaqan: Why am I still surprised that there is such a cadre of men that apparently get their knickers in an enormous wad over this? There is some evidence that language biases perception, and it's not going to hurt anyone.

\At my university, the freshmen are all called first-years because Saint Jefferson said no one ever stops learning.
\\It's stupid, but whatever, you get used to it.


We're not the ones changing the language, sunshine. It seems to me that the one's getting their knickers in a wad are the ones changing the words.
 
2013-07-03 10:52:08 AM
And change manpower to person power while your'e at it.
 
2013-07-03 10:57:36 AM

cig-mkr: And change manpower to person power while your'e at it.


That change is already here.  It's referred to as FTE (full-time-equivalent) hours.
 
2013-07-03 10:57:40 AM

WhippingBoy: Qellaqan: Why am I still surprised that there is such a cadre of men that apparently get their knickers in an enormous wad over this? There is some evidence that language biases perception, and it's not going to hurt anyone.

\At my university, the freshmen are all called first-years because Saint Jefferson said no one ever stops learning.
\\It's stupid, but whatever, you get used to it.

We're not the ones changing the language, sunshine. It seems to me that the one's getting their knickers in a wad are the ones changing the words.


You should be one to speak of sunshine. On any thread remotely related to feminism, there you are to scoff at it. Clearly you have nothing but a vague academic interest in the topic. I find it very sad, actually. The MRA stuff can seem silly or even offensive to me, but I am not trolling around fending it off at every turn either.

As to your point, one doesn't have to be frothing at the mouth in order to implement linguistic changes in a government setting. Language is fluid, government is monolithic. To incorporate linguistic evolution, at some point you need to implement a step change. It's not that big a deal.

\Correcting my earlier vague language, we know that linguistic usage can bias people's perceptions. The changes suggested here are very minor, at worst they are completely irrelevant, and certainly not damaging.
 
2013-07-03 11:10:03 AM

Grumpy Cat: MythDragon: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x468]
"The English language is all about subliminal domination. Take the word "semester". It's a perfect example of this school's discriminatory preference of semen to ovaries. That's why I ' m petitioning to have next term be referred to as Winter Ovester

That's my friend's sister. Good to see her on Fark.

/CSS


She's not really like that, right?

/Is she single?
 
2013-07-03 11:15:11 AM

Qellaqan: In chinese, there isn't gender to pronouns, and that seems so much nicer to me. I'd like to be able to talk about someone and not necessarily identify their gender to the listener, if it's irrelevant to them. The way we use pronouns, no matter what we're talking about, the gender of the subject is always brought up. Especially in writing (particular my own interest, science fiction) I'd love a widely accepted pronoun that's gender neuter


Not everyone wishes this.  I prefer less ambiguity in language and would be irritated by making it less precise.  I want as much information as possible in the most concise manner possible.  Linguistically neutering people is incompatible with my desires in language.
 
2013-07-03 11:21:28 AM

MythDragon: Grumpy Cat: MythDragon: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x468]
"The English language is all about subliminal domination. Take the word "semester". It's a perfect example of this school's discriminatory preference of semen to ovaries. That's why I ' m petitioning to have next term be referred to as Winter Ovester

That's my friend's sister. Good to see her on Fark.

/CSS

She's not really like that, right?

/Is she single?



She's a cool woman. Lesbian, if that matters. Not single.
 
2013-07-03 11:29:35 AM
Man/Woman comes from the old Saxon where Wifmann was female and a Wermann was male, and mann was just a person.

There's far more important female rights to be fighting for than this sort of shiat.
 
2013-07-03 11:29:52 AM

Gergesa: Qellaqan: In chinese, there isn't gender to pronouns, and that seems so much nicer to me. I'd like to be able to talk about someone and not necessarily identify their gender to the listener, if it's irrelevant to them. The way we use pronouns, no matter what we're talking about, the gender of the subject is always brought up. Especially in writing (particular my own interest, science fiction) I'd love a widely accepted pronoun that's gender neuter

Not everyone wishes this.  I prefer less ambiguity in language and would be irritated by making it less precise.  I want as much information as possible in the most concise manner possible.  Linguistically neutering people is incompatible with my desires in language.


Lucky for you, we already have those words, and they are only made imprecise by trying to use them for wider situations. My suggestion would add a new word that is specifically unspecified. If you want a language that does as much as possible with as few words as possible, try esperanto. In english, we have millions of vague and overlapping words. I see no reason for there not to be a word like I've mentioned.

Also, if gender is irrelevant to the discussion, as it often is, what is the need for it to be unambiguous? Not to mention that only having these words can also *create* confusion. Haven't you ever had that worry when you're sending an email to an adult woman-- is this mrs or ms? Likewise, some names are gender ambiguous (I am terrible with chinese and japanese names), and referring to the person by the wrong gendered pronoun can make you look like a rube.

\This is just off the top of my head. Really, you're irked by language that doesn't specifically tell you the gender of the person? Firemen can still be women, you know, even if you call them firemen.
 
2013-07-03 11:30:07 AM
I wonder what poor manicured gentlewoman will be mandated to manupilate her manservant into manhandling all those manuscripts and manupilate them till all manner of manliness have been mangled from them.
 
2013-07-03 11:32:04 AM

Kraln: Man/Woman comes from the old Saxon where Wifmann was female and a Wermann was male, and mann was just a person.

There's far more important female rights to be fighting for than this sort of shiat.


Ancient saxon is kind of irrelevant to modern perception, however. I don't disagree that it isn't the most important thing, but damn it also seems to irritate people impressively. Maybe it matters to them more than they're willing to admit?
 
2013-07-03 11:45:53 AM
Why is that stupid? Language is fluid. It changes.
 
2013-07-03 11:56:47 AM

Qellaqan: If you want a language that does as much as possible with as few words as possible, try esperanto.


Sadly, I do not have the time or money to take up the study of another language.

Qellaqan: In english, we have millions of vague and overlapping words.


This is a problem that I would try to to eliminate not encourage with creation or use of more imprecise words.

Qellaqan: Also, if gender is irrelevant to the discussion, as it often is, what is the need for it to be unambiguous?


You confuse need with desire.

Qellaqan: Haven't you ever had that worry when you're sending an email to an adult woman-- is this mrs or ms?


No.  Ms. is the accepted form for those adult women whose marital status is uncertain.  It is still provides more information than a genderless pronoun.

Qellaqan: Likewise, some names are gender ambiguous


A terrible bother that irritates me when I encounter it.  Typically in such cases I try to rely on secondary sources to discern the gender.  That however demonstrates why such ambiguity is undesirable.

Qellaqan: Really, you're irked by language that doesn't specifically tell you the gender of the person?


Yes.  I dislike ambiguity and wish to have as many variables as possible eliminated.

Qellaqan: Firemen can still be women, you know, even if you call them firemen.


In some cases, inefficiency or imprecision in language may be inescapable.  Though I see the word "firefighters" more often in usage and I admit that sometimes being imprecise is necessary, I do not wish to encourage it by eliminating pronouns that reveal gender.  Wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed.
 
2013-07-03 12:01:24 PM

cig-mkr: And change manpower to person power while your'e at it.


Personhole Cover.

Persondibles

Personually (also, Instruction Personual)

Oh Come, Oh Come Empersonuel (also, Away in the Personger)

Personed Spaceflight

Cowperson Up
 
2013-07-03 12:02:58 PM

Gergesa: Qellaqan: If you want a language that does as much as possible with as few words as possible, try esperanto.

Sadly, I do not have the time or money to take up the study of another language.

Qellaqan: In english, we have millions of vague and overlapping words.

This is a problem that I would try to to eliminate not encourage with creation or use of more imprecise words.

Qellaqan: Also, if gender is irrelevant to the discussion, as it often is, what is the need for it to be unambiguous?

You confuse need with desire.

Qellaqan: Haven't you ever had that worry when you're sending an email to an adult woman-- is this mrs or ms?

No.  Ms. is the accepted form for those adult women whose marital status is uncertain.  It is still provides more information than a genderless pronoun.

Qellaqan: Likewise, some names are gender ambiguous

A terrible bother that irritates me when I encounter it.  Typically in such cases I try to rely on secondary sources to discern the gender.  That however demonstrates why such ambiguity is undesirable.

Qellaqan: Really, you're irked by language that doesn't specifically tell you the gender of the person?

Yes.  I dislike ambiguity and wish to have as many variables as possible eliminated.

Qellaqan: Firemen can still be women, you know, even if you call them firemen.

In some cases, inefficiency or imprecision in language may be inescapable.  Though I see the word "firefighters" more often in usage and I admit that sometimes being imprecise is necessary, I do not wish to encourage it by eliminating pronouns that reveal gender.  Wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed.


Language *is* imprecision. That's why being clear in writing is an art, not a science. Unless you are a mathematician, where precision is the whole game, I really can't take you seriously.

Plus, you didn't even respond to my point where a gender unspecified word would already have obvious and clear cut usage, such as the chinese name. Think of it as akin to the word "trees", rather than elm or oak or spruce. I look at trees, I don't know what kind they are, so they're trees. I see a name, I don't know what gender it is, I use the all-encompassing gender pronoun.

\The world is vague, sorry this seems so distressing.
 
2013-07-03 12:13:35 PM
Were there really people out there who were still referring to security guards as watchmen?
 
2013-07-03 12:15:08 PM

Qellaqan: Plus, you didn't even respond to my point where a gender unspecified word would already have obvious and clear cut usage, such as the chinese name. Think of it as akin to the word "trees", rather than elm or oak or spruce. I look at trees, I don't know what kind they are, so they're trees.


I did.  Read again. I said "wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed." I do not desire a less precise world by eliminating gender pronouns.  As for Asian names, I encounter them occasionally and they demonstrate why gender pronouns are desirable from my point of view.

It is clear though that we have different desires in language so no agreement will ever be reached.
 
2013-07-03 12:18:52 PM

NJR_ZA: I wonder what poor manicured gentlewoman will be mandated to manupilate her manservant into manhandling all those manuscripts and manupilate them till all manner of manliness have been mangled from them.


You said 'man' like a dozen times.
 
2013-07-03 12:19:11 PM

Gergesa: Qellaqan: Plus, you didn't even respond to my point where a gender unspecified word would already have obvious and clear cut usage, such as the chinese name. Think of it as akin to the word "trees", rather than elm or oak or spruce. I look at trees, I don't know what kind they are, so they're trees.

I did.  Read again. I said "wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed." I do not desire a less precise world by eliminating gender pronouns.  As for Asian names, I encounter them occasionally and they demonstrate why gender pronouns are desirable from my point of view.

It is clear though that we have different desires in language so no agreement will ever be reached.


What they're trying to do is remove gender from having any meaning in society, since it shouldn't.
 
2013-07-03 12:23:28 PM

jbrooks544: You know what female fishermen call themselves?
Fishermen.


I enjoy fly fishing and when I met my future brother-in-law (AKA my idiot brother-in-law), he said, "So I hear you're a big fisher." Our relationship went downhill from there.
 
2013-07-03 01:03:18 PM

WhippingBoy: I used to go on the defensive a bit whenever anyone told me that they were a feminist. Now I just laugh and laugh and laugh.


I'll just put this here:

ebooks-imgs.eb.sonynei.com

It's a funny read.  Partisan, but funny.
 
2013-07-03 01:19:06 PM
Guess what liberal douchebags, I'm a journeyman plumber. Find me a female in a job site that isn't from the corporate office and I'll eat my pants.

Neutered indeed.
 
2013-07-03 01:20:32 PM

Lexx: Gergesa: Qellaqan: Plus, you didn't even respond to my point where a gender unspecified word would already have obvious and clear cut usage, such as the chinese name. Think of it as akin to the word "trees", rather than elm or oak or spruce. I look at trees, I don't know what kind they are, so they're trees.

I did.  Read again. I said "wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed." I do not desire a less precise world by eliminating gender pronouns.  As for Asian names, I encounter them occasionally and they demonstrate why gender pronouns are desirable from my point of view.

It is clear though that we have different desires in language so no agreement will ever be reached.

What they're trying to do is remove gender from having any meaning in society, since it shouldn't.


Yes, exactly. You've said several sensible things in this thread, which is notable in this thread. Gergesa (this would be a great place for a neutral pronoun, since I don't know his or her gender) keeps talking past me, but this is the point I'm aiming at... and perhaps missing.
 
2013-07-03 01:35:29 PM

Qellaqan: Lexx: Gergesa: Qellaqan: Plus, you didn't even respond to my point where a gender unspecified word would already have obvious and clear cut usage, such as the chinese name. Think of it as akin to the word "trees", rather than elm or oak or spruce. I look at trees, I don't know what kind they are, so they're trees.

I did.  Read again. I said "wherever practical, I wish as much information as possible to be conveyed." I do not desire a less precise world by eliminating gender pronouns.  As for Asian names, I encounter them occasionally and they demonstrate why gender pronouns are desirable from my point of view.

It is clear though that we have different desires in language so no agreement will ever be reached.

What they're trying to do is remove gender from having any meaning in society, since it shouldn't.

Yes, exactly. You've said several sensible things in this thread, which is notable in this thread. Gergesa (this would be a great place for a neutral pronoun, since I don't know his or her gender) keeps talking past me, but this is the point I'm aiming at... and perhaps missing.


It's a perspective difference, I think.  We're not arguing for obfuscating important (gender) information from public discourse, we're arguing that gender is not important, significant, or relevant to public discourse, and thus we should shift the commonly used terminology to remove reference to gender.  Gergesa considers gender to always be relevant, and is thus annoyed at the idea of removing it.
 
2013-07-03 02:28:39 PM
The state senate spent so much time deciding this stuff they couldn't pass a budget. Took the threat of the whole state shutting down to get them to pass one.I love this state, I can't stand the elected officials.
 
2013-07-03 03:56:14 PM

Fade2black: Guess what liberal douchebags, I'm a journeyman plumber. Find me a female in a job site that isn't from the corporate office and I'll eat my pants.

Neutered indeed.


I'll back you on this because I'm a welder. Woman typically don't go to tech schools, they don't become apprentices, and they sure as hell don't do construction (Unless you count holding the STOP/SLOW sign). All that this is is a group of people  wanting to be able to shout "I DID SOMETHING, REMEMBER THAT IN 2014!." Will anyone actually care? Will foremen start calling people "apprentice-level welders"? Will women strip off their bras after casting off the sexist title of "freshMAN?" No, no one is honestly going to give two shiats, and it's most likely going to be completely ignored because it only affects thin-skinned pussies.
 
2013-07-03 03:58:03 PM
What is the true etymology of 'man' as a prefix or suffix anyway? I always assumed it meant 'hand' or 'person' or something like that: maniupluate, manifestation, manuscript, manual of dexterity...

I figured that any assumption of maleness just evolved from the cartoonishly sexist nature of the societies we get our words from. My thinking was that for those cultures 'man' implies 'male' for the same reason they assumed 'person' or 'human' implied being a male. We now include females as people, so we should also linguistically include them in the term fisherman.

I'm still wondering how people are stupid enough to think 'woman' is usable as an adjective though. "That's Dennis. He's a man nurse!" I want to punch people sometimes.
 
2013-07-03 03:59:21 PM
Is Pussy still okay?
 
2013-07-03 04:02:55 PM

Calm: What is the true etymology of 'man' as a prefix or suffix anyway? I always assumed it meant 'hand' or 'person' or something like that: maniupluate, manifestation, manuscript, manual of dexterity...


Man, in those words you give, comes from Latin  Manus, hand. That said, I don't think the etymology of Man is the same. I think that's from Proto-Germanic, via English?
 
2013-07-03 04:08:35 PM

LasersHurt: Man, in those words you give, comes from Latin  Manus, hand. That said, I don't think the etymology of Man is the same. I think that's from Proto-Germanic, via English?


After I posted, I realized I was only using it as a prefix. According to the interwebs, it means human, person, or male. Which just re-raises my burning questions. Does it now imply male because females weren't considered people? Was it always specific to males? Can journalists who use woman as an adjective be legally shot for the good of mankind?
 
2013-07-03 04:20:11 PM
"Stupid" tag is for subby using the "stupid" tag.

Women outnumber men in this country.  How about we use "chairwoman" for YOUR title, dude? How does that feel?

/"Girl" is supposedly a COMPLIMENT at my age. Yet if I call a grown man "boy"....
 
2013-07-03 04:21:54 PM

Calm: LasersHurt: Man, in those words you give, comes from Latin  Manus, hand. That said, I don't think the etymology of Man is the same. I think that's from Proto-Germanic, via English?

After I posted, I realized I was only using it as a prefix. According to the interwebs, it means human, person, or male. Which just re-raises my burning questions. Does it now imply male because females weren't considered people? Was it always specific to males? Can journalists who use woman as an adjective be legally shot for the good of mankind?


Women have always been considered people, and throughout history have been seen as far more valuable than men. As long as men want to fark, 95% of women are going to be treated far better than the average male.

To test this out punch both a man and a woman in a crowd, see which scenario leads to your ass being kicked the fastest.
 
2013-07-03 04:23:55 PM

stevarooni: The use of "he or she" is awkward and inefficient, and generally a waste of time.  "First World Problems," indeed.  When someone violates 1 USC § 1, prosecute them for it.  When someone offends you by saying "policeman", get over yourself.


It's always a man, isn't it, who can't handle a little change that benefits society?

/Did you like that sexism there, dude? That I assumed you were a man? Or do you still think it's a compliment that I did so?
 
2013-07-03 04:34:08 PM

GUTSU: Women have always been considered people, and throughout history have been seen as far more valuable than men. As long as men want to fark, 95% of women are going to be treated far better than the average male.

To test this out punch both a man and a woman in a crowd, see which scenario leads to your ass being kicked the fastest.


I think you're either trolling or got a very bad grade in many history courses, both religious and secular. I'm assuming the former and am going to go to Taco Bell now. Most of the punching there is done by wage slaves at a computer terminal.
 
2013-07-03 04:34:24 PM

GUTSU: Women have always been considered people, and throughout history have been seen as far more valuable than men. As long as men want to fark, 95% of women are going to be treated far better than the average male.


Are you not including the rest of the world, or are you high?
 
2013-07-03 04:35:41 PM
Suck it up people, this is for the dames and broads!
 
2013-07-03 04:46:00 PM

Calm: GUTSU: Women have always been considered people, and throughout history have been seen as far more valuable than men. As long as men want to fark, 95% of women are going to be treated far better than the average male.

To test this out punch both a man and a woman in a crowd, see which scenario leads to your ass being kicked the fastest.

I think you're either trolling or got a very bad grade in many history courses, both religious and secular. I'm assuming the former and am going to go to Taco Bell now. Most of the punching there is done by wage slaves at a computer terminal.


As an example, in Islam a woman can have a job and whatever money she makes is hers to keep, her husband can't use any of it without explicit permission. She isn't obligated to use that money on other people, if shes making a few million dollars a year she could let her children starve because it isn't her responsibility. Her husband on the other hand is required to feed his family, support her, and even pay the taxes for his wife's money. The reason why in places like Afghanistan, girls are heavily discouraged, even through violence from getting an education is that they would potentially take the job of a man who would have to support the woman regardless.

The reason why there is a disparity between women and men in china is partly because women aren't obligated to provide for their elderly parents. Since couples can only have one child, they prefer to pick the one that will care for them.

Even in America men pay out a disproportionate amount of alimony, women get the kids far more often, and aren't required to sign up for selective service. Funnily enough you never hear very many feminists yelling about how being ineligible for the draft is sexist.
 
2013-07-03 04:49:58 PM
Instead of him/her, how about shelr?
 
2013-07-03 04:50:37 PM
Okay, so, Obvious Troll is Obvious, then?
 
2013-07-03 04:57:34 PM

LasersHurt: Okay, so, Obvious Troll is Obvious, then?


Hey man, if you don't have anything to disprove me you can just admit it. You aren't going to get any handjobs for being a White Knight on fark.
 
2013-07-03 05:04:06 PM

GUTSU: LasersHurt: Okay, so, Obvious Troll is Obvious, then?

Hey man, if you don't have anything to disprove me you can just admit it. You aren't going to get any handjobs for being a White Knight on fark.


Interesting. I didn't mention you by name at all. Odd that you assumed I meant that YOU were the obvious troll...

/tipped your hand
 
2013-07-03 05:09:24 PM

LasersHurt: GUTSU: LasersHurt: Okay, so, Obvious Troll is Obvious, then?

Hey man, if you don't have anything to disprove me you can just admit it. You aren't going to get any handjobs for being a White Knight on fark.

Interesting. I didn't mention you by name at all. Odd that you assumed I meant that YOU were the obvious troll...

/tipped your hand


Since you previously quoted me, and then posted "Obvious Troll is Obvious" after my post, I inferred it. But still, you don't have to defend feminism on the internet, go to a bar, a cafe and make small talk with some women. You're chances are astronomically better than from defending lilly white virgin maidens on the internet.
 
2013-07-03 05:11:51 PM

GUTSU: Since you previously quoted me, and then posted "Obvious Troll is Obvious" after my post, I inferred it. But still, you don't have to defend feminism on the internet, go to a bar, a cafe and make small talk with some women. You're chances are astronomically better than from defending lilly white virgin maidens on the internet.


The hard thing with trolls is this: Either they are trolls, and any attempt to ACTUALLY speak to their points is futile and pointless, or they're NOT trolls, but so mindbogglingly stupid as to make speaking to their points futile and pointless.
 
2013-07-03 05:12:08 PM
What I love about fark is that I know, without even reading the comments, that there are totally fitting and appropriate Carlin references up there.

/
 
2013-07-03 05:40:53 PM

mayIFark: Can I get a new fatherboard for my new computer, please?


The term has been "mainboard" for awhile now. You're way late to the game.
/builds pcs
 
2013-07-03 05:44:10 PM

Ecobuckeye: What are the alternatives to manholes, guy-wires, and buoys?


Underground access, stabilizers, not applicable.
/next question
 
2013-07-03 06:38:58 PM

ramblinwreck: Lexx: Kevua: So are they going to get rid of Women also? Make it Wo? or Ho? or I don't know, anything that doesn't have man in it?

Womyn.  You hadn't heard?

Joke's on the wimminfolk, then, because they've just inserted a "Y" chromosome into their name.


It's even more funny when you realize that the -man part of woman means human (the wo- means female). By using the term womyn, they are effectlvely implying that woman aren't even human.

/Men were weremen, which means we should call female werewolves wowolves
 
2013-07-03 09:36:45 PM

GUTSU: Women have always been considered people, and throughout history have been seen as far more valuable than men.


Really? You mean the same "people" who (in the US) less than 100 years ago could not vote, get a checking account or use a credit card without their husband's permission, and whose own names (the ones they were given at birth) are still called "maiden names" which should be relinquished when they get married, along with a whole host of societal restrictions by law and by custom, including having men decide when and where and how they should have children?

Those people?

Women have only been seen as people within living memory, and barely that long. They have been seen as "possessions" throughout recorded history and custom, such as the woman's father or other male relative "giving the bride away", and when I was a kid in the 60's and 70's the local newspaper still published it's want ads in two sections - "male help wanted" and "female help wanted".

/I knows you's trollin'
//male
 
2013-07-04 03:20:26 AM
Gotta change my name?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-04 08:26:23 AM
It took a minute but here it is: ReelGals Fishing Club.  Tried to get it off the ground and into the water, but lil ladies just didnt have the tackle.
 
2013-07-04 10:07:47 AM
What's wrong with using the term "fresher"?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fresher
 
2013-07-04 04:26:08 PM
This doesn't change that fact that women require romantic partners to make more money than them and generally don't want to do the jobs that end in -man.

As feminism marches on, women will become more and more depressed in their 30s due to being forced into roles not suited to their biology and near impossibility of finding any suitable man who can make enough to cover most of the bills while they work easy fluff jobs.
 
2013-07-04 06:40:22 PM

velvetrevolution00: This doesn't change that fact that women require romantic partners to make more money than them and generally don't want to do the jobs that end in -man.

As feminism marches on, women will become more and more depressed in their 30s due to being forced into roles not suited to their biology and near impossibility of finding any suitable man who can make enough to cover most of the bills while they work easy fluff jobs.


As this happens, sub-par, under-achieving overgrown man-children in their 30's will become happier and happier as we are no longer expected to outdo women, and their long hours means more xbox for us.
 
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