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(Bloomberg)   I hate to have to break this to you, but there's an eensy teensy chance John Kerry won't bring peace to the Middle East   (bloomberg.com) divider line 47
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2013-07-03 07:16:42 AM
Jesus Christ couldn't bring peace to the Middle East.
 
2013-07-03 07:43:45 AM
Well Kerry is no Yasser Arafat.
 
2013-07-03 07:52:25 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Jesus Christ couldn't bring peace to the Middle East.


This is true, but at least it would give some pretty clear "who got it right?" feedback if he showed up.
 
2013-07-03 07:55:46 AM
They should all have a Snickers.  They get all crusades-like when they are hungry.
 
2013-07-03 08:20:56 AM
It's not in the interest of the United States for there to be peace in the Middle East. It's much easier to manipulate those who are at each others throats.
 
2013-07-03 08:24:25 AM
I remember so well, just like it was yesterday, the time when John Kerry climbed on a pedestal and through a megaphone promised the world that he would bring peace to the Middle East.
 
2013-07-03 08:25:55 AM
Our first Black president, Bill Clinton, couldn't inspire anyone to peace over there.

Why would our first Frankenstein monster secretary of state do any better?
 
2013-07-03 08:27:59 AM
Well considering that the people of Egypt now hate Obama and most of what he's been involved in there has turned in to a disaster...
 
2013-07-03 08:28:39 AM
I think we need to get everyone in the Middle East together at the rec center and, you know, just rap.
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 We can sit on chairs in a casual yet rebellious manner.
 
2013-07-03 08:37:42 AM

legion_of_doo: Our first Black president, Bill Clinton, couldn't inspire anyone to peace over there.

Why would our first Frankenstein monster secretary of state do any better?


I'm betting it's all the result of meddling by History's Greatest Monster, Jimmy Carter.
 
2013-07-03 08:41:06 AM

Rapmaster2000: I think we need to get everyone in the Middle East together at the rec center and, you know, just rap.

 We can sit on chairs in a casual yet rebellious manner.


Will there be role-playing?
Because I truly can not get where you are coming from unless we act out a scene where we BOTH want that snickers bar.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:24 AM

exparrot: Will there be role-playing?
Because I truly can not get where you are coming from unless we act out a scene where we BOTH want that snickers bar.


Okay, fine. Roll for initiative.
 
2013-07-03 08:53:32 AM
There's plenty of peace in the Middle East, death is a kind of peace.
 
2013-07-03 09:02:36 AM
there will never be peace in the Middle East.
 
2013-07-03 09:04:28 AM

Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.


You're gonna feel like a real idiot one day, presuming you live long enough.
 
2013-07-03 09:05:48 AM

Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.


I'd settle for pieces of the middle east.

/spread around
//here and there
 
2013-07-03 09:09:19 AM
I hate to have to break this to you, but there's an eensy teensy chance John Kerry won't bring peace to the Middle East

Your point?  Pretty sure he knew that going in.
 
2013-07-03 09:11:02 AM

Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.


There will be peace. It will be ugly, but the fighting will eventually stop. As oil get's supplanted much of the area will revert to the impoverished backwater it always was. Israel will eventually annex the occupied territories, displacing as much of the existing populace as is required to maintain their demographic identity. The Palestinians will get ignored by everyone. The rest of the world will start farking around in some other region.
 
2013-07-03 09:11:13 AM
Let's just start with the Secretary of State's last name, Kerry, which has quite the meaning in Hebrew worthy of a Monty Python language sketch.
 
2013-07-03 09:11:55 AM
He can't even bring good hairstyling to the Middle East, and that's his thing.
 
2013-07-03 09:12:00 AM

LasersHurt: Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.

You're gonna feel like a real idiot one day, presuming you live long enough.


It might be a while

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2013-07-03 09:20:49 AM

LasersHurt: Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.

You're gonna feel like a real idiot one day, presuming you live long enough.


The sum of human history disagrees. Of course there are very few places that have known peace for longer than a single human lifetime let alone two so the middle east is just an extreme example of a general trend. I'd like to be as optimistic as you but short of resequencing the human genome for a significant fraction of the earth's population I don't think lasting peace is likely to be the case anywhere.
 
2013-07-03 09:21:23 AM
I see the threadshiat has already taken place.
 
2013-07-03 09:22:09 AM
No peace in the middle east? Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-03 09:22:27 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: LasersHurt: Aarontology: there will never be peace in the Middle East.

You're gonna feel like a real idiot one day, presuming you live long enough.

The sum of human history disagrees. Of course there are very few places that have known peace for longer than a single human lifetime let alone two so the middle east is just an extreme example of a general trend. I'd like to be as optimistic as you but short of resequencing the human genome for a significant fraction of the earth's population I don't think lasting peace is likely to be the case anywhere.


The sum of human history indicates that we are more peaceful than we have ever been, and increasingly so. Still I don't think I'm being particularly optimistic - I'm not putting a timeframe on it, and maybe it's only peaceful because everyone's dead, but it's still peace.
 
2013-07-03 09:28:09 AM
"[T]he sort of Palestinian state Israelis fear: corrupt, dysfunctional and a launching pad for attacks."

Does anything more need to be said than this? Doesn't that describe virtually every Arab state in the region to one degree or another? I spent the first forty years of my life wringing my hands and asking "What can the Israelis do to make peace with their neighbors?" but I'm sorry, the answer is nothing. There can be no peace with the Palestinians because there is no such thing as Palestinians, there is no scrappy little nation-in-waiting outnumbered by their oppressors, there is only the Arab people, 300 million strong, with no interest in negotiating with a handful of Jews when they know that someday they will luck out, catch the Israelis napping, and then they will obliterate their enemy. The Palestinian people is a propaganda construct, a rump demographic thrown to the wolves in order to keep the war with Israel alive and to garner sympathy with the bleeding hearts of the West.

The Palestinians already have a country. It's called Jordan. The best solution would be for Jordan to reassert its authority in the West Bank (and Egypt in Gaza), but that apparently will never happen. The next best solution is for the "Palestinians" to experience a genuine change of heart and make legitimate peace with Israel; but that will never happen either. The third best solution, the one being implemented now, is for Israel to build a wall between themselves and those crazy farks in the West Bank and let them stew in their own juices. Gaza is a different story. The Israelis should borrow a page from the US, build some drones, and precision target  Hamas members in response to rocket attacks. One thing is certain: we cannot count on the Palestinians to install a responsible government capable of negotiating in good faith. Until that happens, the Israelis are better served building their wall.
 
2013-07-03 09:30:09 AM
of course not! it's a hornet's nest!
 
2013-07-03 09:56:07 AM

LasersHurt: The sum of human history indicates that we are more peaceful than we have ever been, and increasingly so. Still I don't think I'm being particularly optimistic -


The US has fought four wars in my lifetime and numerous smaller military engagements. The middle east has been in almost constant conflict for my entire life. China has occupied Tibet. Then there is genocide and tribal warfare in Africa. The Balkan states and their ethnic cleansing. The Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Ireland has only recently achieved peace after decades of civil unrest and domestic terrorism. Constant border skirmishes between India and Pakistan. Most recently we have civil wars in Syria and Libya.

If this is the most peaceful we've been as a species then that bar is set pretty low.

I'm not putting a timeframe on it, and maybe it's only peaceful because everyone's dead, but it's still peace.

If you have to propose some point in the future where humans don't exist then you're pretty much conceding my point.
 
2013-07-03 09:57:05 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: LasersHurt: The sum of human history indicates that we are more peaceful than we have ever been, and increasingly so. Still I don't think I'm being particularly optimistic -

The US has fought four wars in my lifetime and numerous smaller military engagements. The middle east has been in almost constant conflict for my entire life. China has occupied Tibet. Then there is genocide and tribal warfare in Africa. The Balkan states and their ethnic cleansing. The Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Ireland has only recently achieved peace after decades of civil unrest and domestic terrorism. Constant border skirmishes between India and Pakistan. Most recently we have civil wars in Syria and Libya.

If this is the most peaceful we've been as a species then that bar is set pretty low.


A few anecdotes have NOTHING to do with the actual data compiled on the matter.
 
2013-07-03 10:15:34 AM

LasersHurt: A few anecdotes have NOTHING to do with the actual data compiled on the matter.


A few anecdotes...

I imagine the world must seem pretty peaceful if you discard all wars, military actions / occupations, and genocide as anecdotes.
 
2013-07-03 10:16:30 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: LasersHurt: A few anecdotes have NOTHING to do with the actual data compiled on the matter.

A few anecdotes...

I imagine the world must seem pretty peaceful if you discard all wars, military actions / occupations, and genocide as anecdotes.


And look at the actual data, which already INCLUDES those?
 
2013-07-03 10:17:24 AM
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"...jus' a l'il bit."
 
2013-07-03 11:20:01 AM

BitwiseShift: Let's just start with the Secretary of State's last name, Kerry, which has quite the meaning in Hebrew worthy of a Monty Python language sketch.


Gives a whole new meaning to the name of this product, huh?
www.kerilotion.com
 
2013-07-03 11:36:14 AM
Nonsense Subby.  I just read a story this morning that demonstrated just how close to peace we are.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/guest-post-egyptians-love-u s- our-freedom
 
2013-07-03 11:44:45 AM
Just find common ground:

* Everyone in the middle east agrees that chicken is tasty
* Everyone in the middle east agrees that John Kerry is the most boring speaker in the world
 
2013-07-03 11:57:08 AM

LasersHurt: And look at the actual data, which already INCLUDES those?



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2013-07-03 11:59:17 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: LasersHurt: And look at the actual data, which already INCLUDES those?


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What, you can't operate Google, or you can't believe that the people who would study violence would include violent events?
 
2013-07-03 12:23:59 PM
Its easy to bring peace to the middle east. The U.S. can stop supporting the bastard child of Hitler by stopping the $3 billion in military support, along with removing them nukes out of Israel. Plus remove all the CIA agents that have infiltrated all the surrounding governments to cause shiat and causing lots of people to die in uprisings from both sides.

/Apparently its not genocide when Israel does it to Palestine's people.
 
2013-07-03 12:34:57 PM

sheep snorter: Its easy to bring peace to the middle east. The U.S. can stop supporting the bastard child of Hitler by stopping the $3 billion in military support, along with removing them nukes out of Israel. Plus remove all the CIA agents that have infiltrated all the surrounding governments to cause shiat and causing lots of people to die in uprisings from both sides.

/Apparently its not genocide when Israel does it to Palestine's people.


Arab population of West Bank in 1967:    598,000
Arab population of West Bank in 2013: 4,400,000

Genocide!
 
2013-07-03 01:13:54 PM

randomjsa: Well considering that the people of Egypt now hate Obama and most of what he's been involved in there has turned in to a disaster...


1/10
 
2013-07-03 01:21:38 PM
The only sure-fire way to bring peace to the middle east is to get the hell out of their way, let them shred themselves, check back when the dust settles.
 
2013-07-03 01:22:29 PM

clambam: sheep snorter: Its easy to bring peace to the middle east. The U.S. can stop supporting the bastard child of Hitler by stopping the $3 billion in military support, along with removing them nukes out of Israel. Plus remove all the CIA agents that have infiltrated all the surrounding governments to cause shiat and causing lots of people to die in uprisings from both sides.

/Apparently its not genocide when Israel does it to Palestine's people.

Arab population of West Bank in 1967:    598,000
Arab population of West Bank in 2013: 4,400,000

Genocide!


number of  native Americans on reservations in the year 1400: zero
number of native Americans on reservations in the year 2013 : 11.4 million
 
2013-07-03 01:26:01 PM
Hobodeluxe:

number of  native Americans on reservations in the year 1400: zero
number of native Americans on reservations in the year 2013 : 11.4 million


Yes, but that isn't genocide. That's apartheid.
 
2013-07-03 01:44:22 PM

clambam: Hobodeluxe:

number of  native Americans on reservations in the year 1400: zero
number of native Americans on reservations in the year 2013 : 11.4 million

Yes, but that isn't genocide. That's apartheid.


lets just say they rebounded. it wasn't for a lack of trying in the beginning.
 
2013-07-03 04:29:13 PM
Once, just once, I want a potus to say, "the Jews and Arabs hate each other and have been fighting for 6,000 years that we know of. So don't count on me changing that".
 
2013-07-03 06:57:01 PM
No Way Man, John not going to drop the ball.
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// What's with this new policy of the SOS
having to be overseas all the time ?

I know Hillary and Obama can't stand each other and he wanted her out of country.
But Kerry just Joe Biden with more money .
 
2013-07-04 09:00:05 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: No Way Man, John not going to drop the ball.


lol, he's not athletic, so he's a bad secretary of state!
 
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