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2013-07-03 07:18:20 AM
Title of the article:Why do we disdain the alcoholics and praise the pill poppers?

Who the fark praises pill poppers?
 
2013-07-03 07:18:47 AM
The preference for nuanced comparisons becomes an obsession with binary analogies, plain speaking gives way to unnecessary loquacious elocution, and your block sucks.
 
2013-07-03 07:19:35 AM

Jabberwookiee: The preference for nuanced comparisons becomes an obsession with binary analogies, plain speaking gives way to unnecessary loquacious elocution, and your block blog sucks.


FTFM, dammit.
 
2013-07-03 07:21:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Title of the article:Why do we disdain the alcoholics and praise the pill poppers?

Who the fark praises pill poppers?


Pharmaceutical companies?  Doctors?  Your mom?
 
2013-07-03 07:21:47 AM
Just when you think Slate has scraped the deepest layers of the barrel...

"Let's not prop ourselves up, let's drag others down with us!"

What a coont.
 
2013-07-03 07:22:40 AM
Holy crap, that may be the most smugly self congratulatory article complaining about a trend or problem that does not exist that I have read from a fark link.  Somehow, Slate managed to find an "author" even more pretentiously affected and weaselly-whiny than the entire staff of Jezebel.

Impressed, I must salute you Slate, and you Noble Subby who first discovered this turd of a gem of a turd!
 
2013-07-03 07:25:08 AM
Also, self-medication is a terrible thing to praise. There's no substitute for proper medication.
So many homeless are drunkards because they're mentally ill and it's the only escape they have.

Substance abuse can not be compared to treatment, you ignorant fark. Count yourself lucky you don't know anyone with mental illness or you'd get the proper slap you deserve for such an asinine article.
 
2013-07-03 07:26:51 AM
stage denial
 
2013-07-03 07:27:47 AM
Wow, this reads like a Scientology anti-psych article.  The Scienos really dislike psychotropic drugs.

Sorry Miss Nehring, psychotropics, overall, tend to help people.  Being a sloppy drunk does not.  I'd much rather be around someone "hooked" on Zoloft, than an alcoholic.
 
2013-07-03 07:32:16 AM
And just to rub it in...

"The preoccupation of earlier eras with white skin becomes the modern preoccupation with tan skin; the obsession with small women's feet becomes the obsession with small women's waistlines. A commitment to repetitive religious rituals becomes a commitment to repetitive physical exercises; the cult of the soul becomes the cult of the body. The worship of the Christ child becomes the worship of the Super child."

Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
 
2013-07-03 07:35:00 AM
I am amazed at the number of friends I have on medication (we're in our thirties).  Everything from antidepressants to anti-allergy prescription meds.  I tell them it is unnatural and probably not necessary since our grandparents had shiattier lives than us and managed to be happy without it.
 
2013-07-03 07:36:30 AM
Xanax is evil.
 
2013-07-03 07:38:02 AM
The tongue must be untied
 
2013-07-03 07:38:41 AM
Jabberwookiee: "The worship of the Christ child becomes the worship of the Super child."

You mean the Kents' boy?
 
2013-07-03 07:39:59 AM
Hmm, well, since pill popping and chronic alcoholism destroyed my dad's creative career in performing (he couldn't even hold his guitar anymore, and he used to play at the grand ole olpry), then went on to kill him at 54 alone in a halfway house, I would say I despise pill-popping AND alcoholism equally. We had to flush about 30 containers of pills after his funeral. Almost all were forms of pain killers.
 
2013-07-03 07:40:13 AM
That was a crap article.
 
2013-07-03 07:41:15 AM

bborchar: Hmm, well, since pill popping and chronic alcoholism destroyed my dad's creative career in performing (he couldn't even hold his guitar anymore, and he used to play at the grand ole olpry), then went on to kill him at 54 alone in a halfway house, I would say I despise pill-popping AND alcoholism equally. We had to flush about 30 containers of pills after his funeral. Almost all were forms of pain killers.


*opry
 
2013-07-03 07:41:36 AM

EyeballKid: Jabberwookiee: "The worship of the Christ child becomes the worship of the Super child."

You mean the Kents' boy?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-03 07:41:43 AM

bborchar: Hmm, well, since pill popping and chronic alcoholism destroyed my dad's creative career in performing (he couldn't even hold his guitar anymore, and he used to play at the grand ole olpry), then went on to kill him at 54 alone in a halfway house, I would say I despise pill-popping AND alcoholism equally. We had to flush about 30 containers of pills after his funeral. Almost all were forms of pain killers.


maybe he just didn't know how to LOVE people.
 
2013-07-03 07:42:02 AM
Jesus Christ what a pathetic and lazy article, wtf, and invoking Hitchens, for seemingly no reason?? Ugh. Coont shut up shut up shut up
 
2013-07-03 07:42:58 AM
"I would propose that the contempt we increasingly heap upon alcohol drinkers, upon bars and upon individuals actually willing to face off about their disputes on the sidewalk rather than on the Internet is misplaced."

I prefer to drink by myself at home.  I enjoy the company.
 
2013-07-03 07:44:46 AM

bborchar: Hmm, well, since pill popping and chronic alcoholism destroyed my dad's creative career in performing (he couldn't even hold his guitar anymore, and he used to play at the grand ole olpry), then went on to kill him at 54 alone in a halfway house, I would say I despise pill-popping AND alcoholism equally. We had to flush about 30 containers of pills after his funeral. Almost all were forms of pain killers.


I'm very sorry to hear about your father, that's a tragic story, but can I take this moment for a PSA?

Don't flush pills, it poisons your local water source and has public and wildlife health risks.


/end PSA
 
2013-07-03 07:45:16 AM
So some bar in New York City closes and this douche thinks it's a major shift in how society deals with chemicals?
 
2013-07-03 07:49:10 AM
I know of a man from Massachusetts that made a pretty damn good living staying drunk for 50 years
 
2013-07-03 07:50:31 AM

Jabberwookiee: EyeballKid: Jabberwookiee: "The worship of the Christ child becomes the worship of the Super child."

You mean the Kents' boy?

[i.imgur.com image 350x350]


WTF IS THAT?

A Replicant?
 
2013-07-03 07:52:19 AM

Teiritzamna: Holy crap, that may be the most smugly self congratulatory article complaining about a trend or problem that does not exist that I have read from a fark link.  Somehow, Slate managed to find an "author" even more pretentiously affected and weaselly-whiny than the entire staff of Jezebel.

Impressed, I must salute you Slate, and you Noble Subby who first discovered this turd of a gem of a turd!


While a lot of the blog is at least somewhat stupid, there a a few interesting points mentioned.

People who drink instead of popping a pill at least tends to go out. There are a lot of drunks who don't, they'll just buy cheap alcohol in a super market, but the rest of the people who feel bad about themselves and need a drink of their go to friends or a bar and drink in company. Social interaction helps alleviating sadness, depression etc. None of the pill poppers have social interaction when taking their specific brand of instant "not quite happiness yet not really sad any more".

Another valid point is that if someone says that (s)he drinks a certain quantity of alcohol a week, people might look at him/her like some degenerate. Yet when that same person mentions that (s)he takes whatever anti-depressant of the week (s)he is on, people might offer advise on what works better for the person they are conversing with.

Now we just need someone who can write a coherent, well researched story about it.
 
2013-07-03 07:52:25 AM

sendtodave: Jabberwookiee: EyeballKid: Jabberwookiee: "The worship of the Christ child becomes the worship of the Super child."

You mean the Kents' boy?

[i.imgur.com image 350x350]

WTF IS THAT?

A Replicant?


I have no idea. Just did a GIS for "super child" and that result seemed worthy of fark.

/probably shopped
//can tell by the pixels
 
2013-07-03 07:52:42 AM
Yeah, no one is praising pill poppers.  The feds certainly are not, neither are state drug agencies.  That's why we have an accessible data base that we can put your name in and see what prescriptions you've had lately before we write another for you, that's why your insurance company will write us a nice little letter to say "Hey, this idiot takes a lot of lortab." It's also why once the medical records are universally linked in the country, your doctor shopping will be a lot harder.
 
2013-07-03 07:54:54 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: bborchar: Hmm, well, since pill popping and chronic alcoholism destroyed my dad's creative career in performing (he couldn't even hold his guitar anymore, and he used to play at the grand ole olpry), then went on to kill him at 54 alone in a halfway house, I would say I despise pill-popping AND alcoholism equally. We had to flush about 30 containers of pills after his funeral. Almost all were forms of pain killers.

I'm very sorry to hear about your father, that's a tragic story, but can I take this moment for a PSA?

Don't flush pills, it poisons your local water source and has public and wildlife health risks.


/end PSA


I don't do it now, but I was young and didn't know better. That was over 10 years ago now.
 
2013-07-03 07:57:09 AM
Lot of mad pill poppers here.

blog.americanfeast.com

I think you missed your morning dose.
 
2013-07-03 07:57:40 AM

mikeray: I know of a man from Massachusetts that made a pretty damn good living staying drunk for 50 years


Foster Brooks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcYTQokKdIg
 
2013-07-03 08:01:24 AM
Not that I expected much from a slate article, but it's still rare that, just glancing at two early sentences of your article, I become too embarrassed for the writer's stupidity to waste time reading it.

/Let's compare taking prescribed medication as directed by medical professionals to abusing drugs.
//No, wait, that's farking stupid. Let's not.
 
2013-07-03 08:02:11 AM
DerAppie:  Social interaction helps alleviating sadness, depression etc. None of the pill poppers have social interaction when taking their specific brand of instant "not quite happiness yet not really sad any more".

You seem to be misunderstand the purpose and effects of the medication.
It doesn't force happiness, it enables you feel it during times when a regular person would feel happy.

Another valid point is that if someone says that (s)he drinks a certain quantity of alcohol a week, people might look at him/her like some degenerate. Yet when that same person mentions that (s)he takes whatever anti-depressant of the week (s)he is on, people might offer advise on what works better for the person they are conversing with.

Anti-depressant of the week? Wow, you're a piece of work. You seem like a combination of a martyr and a proud simpleton.
The medications are designed to fix certain issues, but you can't just take an x-ray to see the exact nature of what's going on inside the brain. There's no magic pill that works for everyone.
One of the issues science is trying to fix is the time frame, it often takes years to find the right combination to work for an individual.
 
2013-07-03 08:03:04 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Lot of mad pill poppers here.


Epic takedown, bro!
#wrekt
 
2013-07-03 08:03:25 AM
Alright, let's do this right rather than this half-assing wench. If you want to properly defend drunks, start by educating them on how to be a proper drunk, rather than just a self-medicator.

Take it away, Mr. Tom Chiarella (and for the attention-challenged, hang in there. It's pretty good):

Lessons for a young drinker

"Look, drinking is pretty damned fun. This must be said. Yes. Women look better. The ocean looks bluer. We know. And your jokes? Way better, right? Man, laughs are just way better. I mean, right? You just start to like where you are, no matter where that is. It can make you good with the world. And this really can be a good thing. Seriously.


When you start, drinking is all about expansion, escape, getting out. The act feels transgressive, edgy, puissant. You stand on the fringe of some piece of adolescent geography - a parking lot, a quarry, the roof of a rattletrap garage - and furtively take a pull of brandy; you hit the leftover champagne glasses at a cousin's wedding, creep to the attic with filched bourbon or a backpack loaded with beers long forgotten on the top shelf of some garage refrigerator. This, in turn, forces you into some iconic poses - leaning against the hood of a car, hitting on a 40, throwing back a shot like you were born doing it, levering a beer bottle with two fingers.


When you look back on your world with some booze in you - at your family, at your home, at your troubles - you'll find yourself a little unhinged from expectation, from fear. This is undeniably heady. For a while, for a long while maybe, you surprise yourself. You're braver. Sharper. You say some shiat you shouldn't. You say some things that must be said. You sing better. You tell more truths. Things seem to get done when you drink. You feel located in the moment and the moment is all that matters. It feels good out there, beyond the rules, beyond the hand-me-down lessons of school and work, and yes, you'll take another pull.
Understand, from the get-go, these are fun illusions.

The young drinker is usually not self-aware. Observe yourself and take notes. That's a key to drinking: don't stop looking. When you are less drunk than everyone else, look around. When you are more drunk than anyone else, look at your own dumb ass in the mirror. To persist, you must make a style out of it. Don't slouch. Don't slosh. Make rules: I don't drink beer from boots. Don't chug. Don't shotgun. Don't hoot. Like that. Walk into a bar as if you've been there before. When entering a crowded joint, know your poison. Order simply and clearly. If the bar is uncrowded, if the bartender is smart and attentive, ask for recommendations. Draft your own lessons. Learn from your mistakes. Quickly. You get a couple when you start. After that it's on you.

Lose the urgency, too. Drinking should not be the event in itself.
There is no lesson plan, but you have to learn. No authoritative how-to. That's your job. Everyone in a bar is a kind of how-to. How to handle it, how to share it, and how to let it go. Drinking must be mastered, or it will master you.

Every once in a while, you'll turn around and you'll encounter that guy, any one of many guys, really - the shouter, the stumbler, the puncher, the teary guy, the sleepy drunk, the ass-grabber, the chest-poker, the jabbermouth, the spitter, the wobbly fool. One version or another, he's always there. Really look then. Understand that that guy doesn't know what he is, doesn't know what he looks like, what people say about him. Fair warning: You'll probably be every one of those guys eventually. Figure out that you don't have to be.

Quit. For some period of time, anyway. A week. A month. Three years. Whatever it takes. Just walk away. Study the absence. Feel it. In some ways, you'll find you're right back on the outside. Know what it means to not drink, too.
Start again if you want. Be better at it this time.

Eventually you'll have your patterns of control and eccentricity. Some of this is luck, some of it persistence.
At some point, you'll drink only gin in the summer, whiskey all winter. Or you'll make batches of cocktails for friends. You'll buy rounds, for the women at the jukebox, for the whole goddamned place. You'll stock your own bar and reconsider olives, cocktail onions, and the importance of limes. You'll have a good bottle of whiskey in your desk drawer at work so long that you'll forget it's there. And some bartender, somewhere, will work your drink the minute you tug your way in. You'll make one brief, well-considered toast a year, though people will ask for more. You'll have your own philosophy about the relative harmlessness of mixing liquors, about why you order a beer behind your shot, about drinking at the beach.

When asked, you'll offer this stuff up. Young drinkers need to know. And the music in the bar will rise, inflating the circus tent of the evening once more. Then your round arrives. That menagerie of clinking highballs. Nice. Maybe then you'll look over the shoulders of the young drinkers, at the women, or at the ocean. That's when you'll say, because of it all and despite it all: Drinking is pretty damn good.
 
2013-07-03 08:04:24 AM
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2013-07-03 08:06:56 AM

CowardlyLion: Let's compare taking prescribed medication as directed by medical professionals to abusing drugs.


You know, doctors used to prescribe alcohol pretty often not long ago. Pharmacies even distributed it during prohibition. But that's different, right?
 
2013-07-03 08:07:19 AM
I am going to a friends wedding this weekend.  I am really not looking forward to running into my alcoholic friend or my pill head friend.

Both additions suck.
 
2013-07-03 08:08:04 AM
What she does not admit, however obvious it may seem, is that she has simply swapped one addiction for another addiction, at least equally powerful.

Bzzt. Wrong. Anti-depressants generally are not addictive. TFAuthor sounds like a drunk seeking justification. Or an AW seeking publication.
 
2013-07-03 08:08:16 AM
Jabberwookiee

Please tell me that's a photoshop
 
2013-07-03 08:10:08 AM
I mentally swapped out all of those romantic artist arguments for ones in favor of a drunken, rapist uncle. It reads a little differently in that case.
 
2013-07-03 08:12:42 AM

WTFDYW: Jabberwookiee

Please tell me that's a photoshop


I don't think you need photoshop to put words that somebody didn't say on a picture of that person.

Deep down, are you concerned that that cat might not hav cheezburger?
 
2013-07-03 08:13:46 AM
Organic solvents are horrible drugs but people who drink 50 year old Scotch are the top of the drug abuse heap while huffers are the bottom but both are doing damage to their livers, hearts, kidneys, pancreas and brains. I dealt with one old junky who had shot so much heroin he didn't have a vein we could start an IV in but he was essentially completely neurologically intact where as alcoholics with that many years of abuse can't even tell you what planet you're on even if you spot them e-a-r-t.

People on antidepressants don't go out and kill tens of thousands of people in cars every year or stay home and kill themselves because alcohol is involved in half of fatal car accidents and suicides.
 
2013-07-03 08:13:58 AM
"I've taken anti-depressants for around 20 years," proclaims another journalist recently [...] "My only regret about taking (these) medications, is not having done so sooner-in fact, I wonder if I might have skipped addiction entirely had these drugs been available in my teens."

Facepalm
 
2013-07-03 08:14:03 AM

J. Frank Parnell: CowardlyLion: Let's compare taking prescribed medication as directed by medical professionals to abusing drugs.

You know, doctors used to prescribe alcohol pretty often not long ago. Pharmacies even distributed it during prohibition. But that's different, right?


Which fallacy is that, again? I've never been able to keep track of most of them.
 
2013-07-03 08:16:04 AM
You clink with wine glasses-not pill-containers.  You make a toast to your comrades with pints-not milligrams. So even if and when the buzz wears off, you still have real-life contacts, social skills, a flesh-and-blood community.

That must by why alcoholics usually lose all their friends when they sober up for real.
 
2013-07-03 08:16:18 AM
Yeah, these things are completely different.  For one, you have to educate yourself and then choose from an ever-widening variety until you find one that's right for you.  Even then, you need to carefully monitor your dosage so you can find the right balance between the desired result and the unpleasant side-effects.  For the other, you need a prescription.
 
2013-07-03 08:20:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Title of the article:Why do we disdain the alcoholics and praise the pill poppers?

Who the fark praises pill poppers?


And who the fark is "we"?
 
2013-07-03 08:21:41 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Also, self-medication is a terrible thing to praise. There's no substitute for proper medication.
So many homeless are drunkards because they're mentally ill and it's the only escape they have.

Substance abuse can not be compared to treatment, you ignorant fark. Count yourself lucky you don't know anyone with mental illness or you'd get the proper slap you deserve for such an asinine article.


And this is why God-is-a-Taco is my Farker of the Day. +1
 
2013-07-03 08:23:27 AM

Teiritzamna: Holy crap, that may be the most smugly self congratulatory article complaining about a trend or problem that does not exist that I have read from a fark link.  Somehow, Slate managed to find an "author" even more pretentiously affected and weaselly-whiny than the entire staff of Jezebel.

Impressed, I must salute you Slate, and you Noble Subby who first discovered this turd of a gem of a turd!


I assume you're unfamiliar with the writings of Amanda Marcotte?  She writes for Slate and is, without a doubt, the most brilliantly successful professional troll on the Internet.  Of all professional trolls, the only one more talented at trolling that Amanda Marcotte is Ann Coulter, who has taken professional trolling to spectacular levels.

/Opposite ends of the political spectrum although I have a strong suspicion that nearly is really as extreme as they pretend to be.
 
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