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2013-07-03 07:15:01 AM
Usually I've seen the opposite happen whenever girls or my wife play. 'Omg I'm playing with a female! I need to talk to her non stop and kiss her ass'

i know there are assholes out there, but i get the feeling the dude wrote that entire piece just so he could tell us how he gets 1st eevery time and can kick anyone ass.
 
2013-07-03 07:33:06 AM
Stupid blog is stupid. Try login in as a male and see what happens. Online players and Farkers are anonymous animals and equal opportunity abusers.

[welcometotheinternet.jpg]
 
2013-07-03 08:02:51 AM
This is a pretty tired topic.

You're exposing yourself to children (young and grown) that hate their mothers and think its cool to be dicks online. No amount of feminist training or whatever you'd call it will ever change this.
 
2013-07-03 08:03:33 AM
This is a video game, people - not a Parisian salon. If you choose to slither with hivemind scum, well, this is what you get.
 
2013-07-03 08:04:12 AM
13 year old boys act like 13 year old boys, and this is supposed to be a revelation?

If you play games online, you're going to play with adolescent males, and adolescent males are assholes 99.937±1% of the time. Worse, you're going to play with supposedly grown-ass men who are yet indistinguishable from adolescents. This isn't a gender issue, it's an immature farkwad issue.
 
2013-07-03 08:04:47 AM
It depends on the game that fosters their game community.  Don't sink money into a community that sucks.  Also they sound 14.
 
2013-07-03 08:05:25 AM
Sounds like the dude is on his period.
 
2013-07-03 08:12:22 AM
Guys, really - you don't have to be 100% on board with this dude and his writing style, but dismissing this as "not a problem" is ridiculous. Yes, there's trash talk, but most of the time with dudes it doesn't start WHEN and BECAUSE you enter the room, based solely around what gender they assume you are. It's general trash talk about the game, or the usual namecalling, etc. That's not the same.

If you've played any online games, you KNOW it's different between dudes and female players. And it's not just kids, either. Again, unless you're lying or don't play online, you KNOW this.

It's okay, you can admit there's a problem without hurting yourself or your favorite game. Unless you're one of those douches, it's fine to admit they suck.
 
2013-07-03 08:17:50 AM
I play as a female character on Guild Wars 1 and 2. Never had a problem.

That doesn't mean it never happens, but I think the game and audience make a lot of difference.
 
2013-07-03 08:21:21 AM
This one time something happened and that means it always happens, but I don't do that thing because I'm so cool and I like a pony cartoon as well.
 
2013-07-03 08:22:27 AM
Yeah, but if you're willing to cyber-slut it up you can get all the best shiat for free.  This problem will always exist, so you might as well quit biatching and learn to use it to your advantage.
 
2013-07-03 08:23:45 AM

LasersHurt: Guys, really - you don't have to be 100% on board with this dude and his writing style, but dismissing this as "not a problem" is ridiculous. Yes, there's trash talk, but most of the time with dudes it doesn't start WHEN and BECAUSE you enter the room, based solely around what gender they assume you are. It's general trash talk about the game, or the usual namecalling, etc. That's not the same.

If you've played any online games, you KNOW it's different between dudes and female players. And it's not just kids, either. Again, unless you're lying or don't play online, you KNOW this.

It's okay, you can admit there's a problem without hurting yourself or your favorite game. Unless you're one of those douches, it's fine to admit they suck.


No one said it's not a problem. Just that it's a) old news and b) can't be fixed because there are always going to be turds in the pool. The kind of people who do this shiat aren't the kind of people to have their worldviews elevated by feminist diatribes.
 
2013-07-03 08:24:20 AM
Yeah, this, combined with the flip-side worship you hear, is the most annoying thing about online gaming for me.  I mean really guys, she's probably not actually using her vagina to hit the buttons, you don't need to get worked up.  Also, shut your retarded mouth.  You sound like a moron.  Oh, and your music's shiatty.  No, really, we've all heard it on the radio already, and your POS speakers sound even worse over a headset.

/Your gamertag is dumb too.  adding xX to the front and back of B00Bhunter does not make it leet
//Your emblem is also dumb.
///I'm also old.
 
2013-07-03 08:26:38 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: No one said it's not a problem. Just that it's a) old news and b) can't be fixed because there are always going to be turds in the pool. The kind of people who do this shiat aren't the kind of people to have their worldviews elevated by feminist diatribes.


Maybe not, but if you stop saying "there is nothing to be done" and start, I dunno, doing ANYTHING (like telling dudes to fark off if they do it) it might change? It doesn't have to be a "feminist diatribe" - address it like you would other bad behavior.

People these days... love to say "there is absolutely nothing that can be done about X." Defeatists.
 
2013-07-03 08:26:38 AM
You think that's bad, try rolling up a dark-skinned character. Holy Jeebus, I thought I stumbled into an online klan meeting.
 
2013-07-03 08:28:08 AM

LasersHurt: Guys, really - you don't have to be 100% on board with this dude and his writing style, but dismissing this as "not a problem" is ridiculous. Yes, there's trash talk, but most of the time with dudes it doesn't start WHEN and BECAUSE you enter the room, based solely around what gender they assume you are. It's general trash talk about the game, or the usual namecalling, etc. That's not the same.

If you've played any online games, you KNOW it's different between dudes and female players. And it's not just kids, either. Again, unless you're lying or don't play online, you KNOW this.

It's okay, you can admit there's a problem without hurting yourself or your favorite game. Unless you're one of those douches, it's fine to admit they suck.


There's obviously a problem, I just think it has been misidentified and that there is also no solution.

Unless host companies want to start monitoring chats and banning players (which is never going to happen), this is the internet. The public is a disgusting mass, private servers with some level of control are the only recourse.
 
2013-07-03 08:29:39 AM
If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.
 
2013-07-03 08:30:00 AM
Hey baby. Wanna kill all humans?
 
2013-07-03 08:31:19 AM

LasersHurt: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: No one said it's not a problem. Just that it's a) old news and b) can't be fixed because there are always going to be turds in the pool. The kind of people who do this shiat aren't the kind of people to have their worldviews elevated by feminist diatribes.

Maybe not, but if you stop saying "there is nothing to be done" and start, I dunno, doing ANYTHING (like telling dudes to fark off if they do it) it might change? It doesn't have to be a "feminist diatribe" - address it like you would other bad behavior.


Shame and admonition don't work on anonymous people hundreds of miles away. It's just noise to them, and acknowledgement that their efforts at being a dick are working.
 
2013-07-03 08:31:44 AM
The point is people are horrible creatures who are only willing to let that fact be known when they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
 
2013-07-03 08:31:55 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.


Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"
 
2013-07-03 08:33:22 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Shame and admonition don't work on anonymous people hundreds of miles away. It's just noise to them, and acknowledgement that their efforts at being a dick are working.


They DO work, just less effectively. Also, many gaming systems already have mechanisms to report chat harassment, and lots of people get into shiat for their actions.

Again, "Do literally nothing" is a shiatty idea and wrong.
 
2013-07-03 08:33:56 AM
Goddamn, people actually play ME3 multiplayer?  I was tricked into trying it one time, back when they lead us to believe that our readiness rating would affect our ending (LOL).  I think I managed about 20 seconds of it.  It's a lot like playing the SP portion, except your squad AI is somehow even more retarded.
 
2013-07-03 08:33:58 AM

enry: I play as a female character on Guild Wars 1 and 2. Never had a problem.

That doesn't mean it never happens, but I think the game and audience make a lot of difference.


I believe the issue here is not playing a female character, it's openly identifying as a female.  If your username/character name is "GirlGamer" or something to that effect, you're going to see something different than playing a female character named "Cholera." Guys play female characters, especially in MMOs (the "I don't want to stare at a guy's ass" defense).

Although I do agree that audience helps. This can be helped (not solved) by just never playing on consoles.  Lowering the bar of entry that low is going to drag the curve into "wretched hive" levels.  PC gamers aren't much better at times, but as a general rule, you'll find more groups of "dude, I just want to play the game" clans/teams/guilds.
 
2013-07-03 08:34:05 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"


Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.
 
2013-07-03 08:36:45 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.


It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.
 
2013-07-03 08:38:49 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.

It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.


So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.
 
2013-07-03 08:39:40 AM

LasersHurt: People these days... love to say "there is absolutely nothing that can be done about X." Defeatists.


People suck. People who haven't yet gained the life experience to realize how much they suck, suck far worse. They might grow up and occasionally become decent people, but there will always be new ones who find amusement in offending you. That problem is never going away as long as there are new people being made.
 
2013-07-03 08:40:24 AM

enry: I play as a female character on Guild Wars 1 and 2. Never had a problem.

That doesn't mean it never happens, but I think the game and audience make a lot of difference.


I've played a lot of MMOs. I've had many guild leaders that were female, and usually there were many other girls in the guild. I also play mostly female characters.

I think the player base of an FPS, which is largely frat boys and teenagers had a lot more to do with it than his playing a girl. I'd lay 20 to 1 they would have harassed him or anyone about playing a character of obvious race or really anything different in any way as well. That's also something I don't see in MMOs, with the exception of my two week stint on WOW. But it's happened with every FPS, including F2f leading me to pay on clean servers almost exclusively.
 
2013-07-03 08:40:43 AM
I haven't seen or heard of that type of behavior on TeamSpeak in my BF3 clan.  I'm pretty sure anyone that behaved that way would be booted/banned.  Hell, we had someone spouting racial epithets in-game chat on our server that was warned to stop then perma-banned.
 
2013-07-03 08:42:03 AM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.

This.  90% of what is said is based on topics I don't want to listen to, so I block them.  That's why the option is there.  And if anyone has a legit complaint, it's African Americans.  At least the women get the "F this b!" comments offset with the droves of internet Romeos.  But the amount of N bombs per minute is staggeringly offensive.  And I'm a Conservative.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:27 AM
Ditched the article after it brought up Brony shiat.
 
2013-07-03 08:43:59 AM

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Shame and admonition don't work on anonymous people hundreds of miles away. It's just noise to them, and acknowledgement that their efforts at being a dick are working.

They DO work, just less effectively. Also, many gaming systems already have mechanisms to report chat harassment, and lots of people get into shiat for their actions.


If their system doesn't get banned permanently from the network, it's entirely pointless. And if you're on a system like XBox and can block other specific users, you're kind of out of things to complain about. Have fun with the whack-a-mole.

Again, "Do literally nothing" is a shiatty idea and wrong.

I'm not expending an ounce of effort on something I know is a complete waste of time. There needs to be a top down solution, the "community" isn't cohesive enough for peer pressure.
 
2013-07-03 08:44:22 AM
I will never get those two minutes back..
 
2013-07-03 08:44:38 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: LasersHurt: Guys, really - you don't have to be 100% on board with this dude and his writing style, but dismissing this as "not a problem" is ridiculous. Yes, there's trash talk, but most of the time with dudes it doesn't start WHEN and BECAUSE you enter the room, based solely around what gender they assume you are. It's general trash talk about the game, or the usual namecalling, etc. That's not the same.

If you've played any online games, you KNOW it's different between dudes and female players. And it's not just kids, either. Again, unless you're lying or don't play online, you KNOW this.

It's okay, you can admit there's a problem without hurting yourself or your favorite game. Unless you're one of those douches, it's fine to admit they suck.

No one said it's not a problem. Just that it's a) old news and b) can't be fixed because there are always going to be turds in the pool. The kind of people who do this shiat aren't the kind of people to have their worldviews elevated by feminist diatribes.


There absolutely is a solution, it's just hard and going to take some time. It requires a cultural change. It requires console makers, players, parents, game makers, conventions, discussion boards, etc to all crack down on this kind of behavior. The good news is this is already starting to happen. The bad news is that assholes enjoy being assholes, and are maknig it as hard as possible.
 
2013-07-03 08:45:53 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.

It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.

So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.


So... Hide from other peoples' shiatty behavior? And that makes you the non-simpering person?

/don't dress like that if you don't want to be raped
 
2013-07-03 08:50:05 AM
He deserves to be insulted for playing Mass Effect 3.
 
2013-07-03 08:51:39 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.

It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.

So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.

So... Hide from other peoples' shiatty behavior? And that makes you the non-simpering person?

/don't dress like that if you don't want to be raped


Don't walk into a room labeled "rape room" if you don't want to get raped.
 
2013-07-03 08:52:44 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Don't walk into a room labeled "rape room" if you don't want to get raped.


Playing a video game is like walking into a room labeled "Rape Room" how?
 
2013-07-03 08:53:14 AM
cdn3.iconfinder.com

/it's there for a reason.
 
2013-07-03 08:54:35 AM

LasersHurt: Tyrone Slothrop: Don't walk into a room labeled "rape room" if you don't want to get raped.

Playing a video game is like walking into a room labeled "Rape Room" how?


You have played an online game in the past twenty years, correct?
 
2013-07-03 08:55:55 AM
This is why xbox has party chat.  I'm a dude, but I still keep the voicechat to a channel with my friends.  I haven't exposed myself to the cesspool that is the xbox live public in years.
 
2013-07-03 08:56:12 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Tyrone Slothrop: Don't walk into a room labeled "rape room" if you don't want to get raped.

Playing a video game is like walking into a room labeled "Rape Room" how?

You have played an online game in the past twenty years, correct?


So you're saying that being harassed based on your gender is coded in, intentionally, by the programmers, and is advertised as such? The game says "play online and also be harassed if you are a woman"?

This isn't the bad behavior of individual human beings?
 
2013-07-03 08:58:08 AM
Sorry to hear about your experience on the internet.

First off, considering you are a Brony, you should be use to being taunted and ridiculed by the general public.  Second, let me tell you a little secret, you'll never fix it.

You see, the internet, especially the gaming portion of it, is generally inhabited by younger more immature people.  These young and immature people tend to do silly immature things, such as complaining when they lose, having bad attitudes, and being a dick when they win.  Some might say that these behaviors can be corrected with proper education.  You are correct, they can be corrected in that manner, however it takes a few years to instill the correct attitude on a child and by then they are older.  However do you know what happens after that?  There is a fresh new batch of children ready to take the place of the previous batch that was so immature.

You are fighting a losing battle.  By the time you correct one group of children, the next group of children come up and are just as ignorant and immature as the previous group had been.

"But if their parents gave them proper education and supervision, this wouldn't be a problem"

Ah, the hopes of a daydream believer.  Yes, there are some children that learn from their parents early to not be immature, however for even those children, the internet and online gaming is a safety release valve.  Generally you'll find that even if a child is well mannered and mature when their parents are around, or even in general public, they can still be immature when they are online.

I know it must really be a blow to your ego to find this out, but not everyone in the world will act as you deem is proper and there is no way to fix this problem.  People are too diverse.  The only remedy that I could suggest is to either avoid multiplayer online games where the chief focus is competition (cooperative multiplayer games have a much lower ratio of mature:immature than competitive ones by the very fact that people tend to get along better when they know they need help), or get thicker skin.

Your utopia with no online racism or sexism doesn't exist.  Feel free to keep hunting for Shangri-la however.  Sometimes your dreams are all that can keep you sane.
 
2013-07-03 08:58:19 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.

It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.

So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.

So... Hide from other peoples' shiatty behavior? And that makes you the non-simpering person?


Do you walk around in public spaces confronting everyone about shiatty behavior?

It's not "hiding" it's "This is a shiatty person that I don't wish to engage with. Perhaps I'll find some not-shiatty people to spend time with".

It's hardly different from avoiding people you dislike in the real world.
 
2013-07-03 08:58:47 AM
the author wants to prove that girls are just as good if not better than guys when it comes to gaming. ok. starts off the article by explaining the only reason he was on his wife's account was to unlock stuff for her which she apparently couldn't herself. this proves that the assumptions made by the players (they would have been better off if the husband logged on instead of the wife) was not incorrect, just misguided and rather dickish.

i have had my ass handed to me by girls many times in a variety of different games, so i don't know what my point is but i found it amusing nonetheless
 
2013-07-03 09:01:02 AM
This article pinged my bullshiat meter.  Look, I'm sure there are assholes like that out there, but...he plays the whole game with two guys complaining about his female-themed gamer tag, and then in the end the other silent player reveals herself as a girl...and then they go way over the top?  Yeah, I'm thinking minimum 50% of that was nothing more than a big fish story.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't people who are complete dicks, especially on ME3 multiplayer.  But this just reads like a guy trying to play it up.  Maybe if some of the things happened over multiple games with different players, I might have bought it, but this is just...yeah.

Besides, my experience with all multiplayer when I have audio chat enabled is some douchebag who has their mic always on, breathing heavy or with kids screaming in the background, or playing shiatty music, whose only actual comments are "can someone rez me?"  Seriously, always on mic or sound activated mic settings should be farking banned permanently from all systems.  People are too stupid to use them properly.
 
2013-07-03 09:03:36 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: If you don't want to be defined by your gender, don't define your gamer tag by your gender.

Because there is no way for a tag to indicate you might be a female that isn't "xxxVaginaHaver992xxx"

Somehow online twerps managed to figure out this guy was on his wife's account, so the name was probably closer to QTGirlGamerz than Blandname00001.

It might have just had a girl's name in it? "PiratePeggy" or "Katerbean" or something. I don't think these dudes are above leaps of logic.

So don't put your name in your gamer tag? I'm not really seeing the point here. If you don't want to hear crap from adolescents online, turn the voice settings down so you don't have to hear it like any other non-simpering person.

So... Hide from other peoples' shiatty behavior? And that makes you the non-simpering person?

Do you walk around in public spaces confronting everyone about shiatty behavior?

It's not "hiding" it's "This is a shiatty person that I don't wish to engage with. Perhaps I'll find some not-shiatty people to spend time with".

It's hardly different from avoiding people you dislike in the real world.


You said they need to use names which give NO indication that they might be female. Then they have to play without Voice, to avoid it. They might need to change servers or matches OVER and OVER to find one where they won't be harassed.

But hey no big deal, just like avoiding a jerk in real life.
 
2013-07-03 09:06:21 AM

usttsdw: [cdn3.iconfinder.com image 128x128]

/it's there for a reason.


Hell yes.  It made the early days of KZ3 multiplayer infinetely better and continues to get a lot of mileage in TF2.
 
2013-07-03 09:08:19 AM
He ran into two assholes. Wow.
 
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