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(Fark)   I'm 4 days into a 2-week vacation, the office wants me to come in, fix something. Should I even return the call? They've treated me horribly all year, ripped me off on back pay caused the current trouble themselves. DIT   (fark.com) divider line 23
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2013-07-02 10:04:09 PM  
5 votes:
No. Don't return the call.

They need to learn how indispensable you really are.

You need to learn how valuable you really are.

Not being there is the only way that either point will ever be made.
2013-07-02 07:14:08 PM  
3 votes:

rwhamann: Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.

Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?


I was shiatcanned for taking a sick day after Christmas. I had the flu from x-mas until after New Year's. Even though it was more expensive to replace me, I was fired anyway to be made an example of. Right-to-work states are farked.
2013-07-02 05:37:19 PM  
3 votes:
It also depends on how badly you need the job.
2013-07-02 08:12:09 PM  
2 votes:
Do you own the company?

No?

Then the correct answer is "what part about vacation don't you understand".
2013-07-02 07:53:45 PM  
2 votes:
Unless there was some sort of understanding beforehand that you were "on call" I wouldn't answer unless you get a 911 text or something of that nature.
2013-07-02 05:44:09 PM  
2 votes:
OP here, I'm a condom repair man in a brothel. There's a high-end customer who has a condom he really favours and now we almost don't let anyone use it but him.

Thing is, one of the new people at the desk gave it to a really big guy and now it's all stretched out. They want me to come in and shrink it by stuffing it in my butt for a couple of hours.

I want to tell them to go to hell but I need the job and, as you can imagine, my skill isn't really readily transferable.

Thoughts?
2013-07-03 06:47:05 PM  
1 votes:
Glenford: close, but worse. And wearing a dress. One of these people that think a real administrator should be able to administrate anything, regardless of what it is, because administrating is itself a profession, and they fancy themselves a professional administrator.

This supervisor contributes nothing but confusion and delay to every process, because they don't understand our technical terms, and when we try to explain anything to her in civilian language, the eyes just glaze over and she stares at some distant spot over your shoulder until your noise hole closes, and NOTHING has been retained of what you explained. She is all about filling in check boxes on forms, but the forms don't apply to what we do. Every job is a custom job done from scratch.  We found out she's been booted from three similar jobs before we got her; in each one, she's been terrible to work with; paranoid, withholding and controlling information, instead of sharing it. Blames everyone for everything, takes no personal responsibility for anything, but damn you if you try to take any initiative yourself.

Why did we get her?  The big boss at the section headquarters upstate is a hack and doesn't like any of us in the satellite office, moreover, he wants nobody that could threaten to rise thru the ranks to get his job, so he picked somebody really weak and easy to dominate.  The last five people before her were temps from Manpower, inc. I was offered the job twice but turned it down because it would be a pay cut, would weld a blackberry to my head 24/7/365,  and lacked union protection.  So that gives you an idea of the psychological hole this supervisor is in: her workers make more than she does, she has no idea how they do what they do, she's unable to grasp their lingo and won't learn it. All she can do is pretend to be in charge of us and put enormous importance on the things she DOES understand, like time sheets, and silly rules about trivia like cleaning out the fridge, or getting the company van oil changed on time.
2013-07-03 02:09:19 PM  
1 votes:
The shop steward called back and said "stay out; enjoy your vacation. It's their problem to fix".

So I'm pretty sure all my three weeks of hard work on the two projects will be effectively shiatcanned and replaced with inferiorly-made crap.  I feel a tinge of guilt and sadness at that. I have to keep reminding myself none of this is my fault.  The bosses neither recognize nor appreciate quality work anyhow.  I need to keep my job, it pays well, has excellent benefits, and I'm at the top of my pay scale where I live, there is no way  to go higher except to move, and I'm not moving.  But the event clarifies for me that I need more outlets for my creativity and skill outside of the day job, because that's the only way I'm going to find any satisfaction while I wait for time to sweep away these jokers and replace them with new people, and a fresh start.
2013-07-03 10:15:42 AM  
1 votes:
Fark...

No...


I worked for a company 5 1/2 years, 4 of them in IT. I would answer calls on weekends, answer calls on vacation, come in multiple times when there were power outages to restart the servers(For some reason most of the industrial park would be back online, but our particular building took an extra visit or three). I even did the weekends and vacation stuff off the clock, unless i came in to the office and it was at least an hour.

What did they do last summer? Had me rearrange the server room, I threw out about 1,000 lbs of old, outdated software, only after going through and stripping and license info I could find. Threw out about 2,000 lbs of old equipment, monitors, old towers, a few old servers, junk we were keeping for parts. I redid the wiring, arranged the servers and switches into a config that made sense, and installed a new UPS. A big one, weighed in at about 450 lbs on the pallet, about 275 after uncrating. With the exception of putting 3 servers in place, and bringing the battery component of the UPS up the stairs, I did all of this solo.

Come October, one week after I finished the last of this reorganization and cleanup, my boss shows up in town, totally unannounced, and lets me know that I am being terminated because the "job description has changed and I no longer meet the requirements". They had been planning all summer, when he came into town a month before, he was sneaking out of the office to do interviews, and I had spent the final two weeks giving how-to's on some of my procedures, because, even underqualified, I knew more than my boss, and he was trying to train my replacement.

To add insult to injury, I got calls texts and emails for about 2-3 weeks asking where I kept certain documentation, where I took Macs locally for service, how I went through certain procedures.

I'm done going out of the way for a job, this is how they show "appreciation". Fark 'em, they've got some kind of back up plan, make 'em use it.
2013-07-03 08:52:32 AM  
1 votes:
So here's my take as a manager.  (And BTW your supervisor is an ass and you should probably get another job than stay in a situation run by idiots).

Your worth overall is determined by the difficulty of the problems you are capable of solving.  And how much others are willing to pay you to do that - part of that depends on their perception of your willingness to "do what it takes".  So my recommendation is to take a long term view (not just with this company) before responding.  Some people can figure out how to make a CAD design dance - and some people can only find out if a customer wants fries with that - and each is paid accordingly.

Ask yourself:
Will I diminish how I am perceived by customers and potential future employers if I don't help out here?
Will I be fired if I let it go?  And if so, can I afford to be unemployed?
How quickly can I really fix this?  Is it worth the aggravation to commute?
Will my peers suffer needlessly if I don't fix this?  Will they resent me leaving them hanging?  Will that make my worklife MORE hellish than it already is?

Sounds like you have highly specialized skills - is this something that you can go to work for the customer and be more in tune w/ the end users?  If so, you might land in a much better place and be able to do better work (and feel better about what you do).

If you go through all of that and determne that there are no long term implications to you (by burning bridges or ruining your reputation), then you are fine responding that you are not available to come in (don't be hostile - just matter of fact and professional).

If you think your long term prospects are better if you cover the issue - determine ahead of time how much time you are willing to spend ot fix it, and tell them "I can come in @ 10:00 tomorrow - and I can work this until 2:00 - then I have another commitment"  Prioritize what you do so that you are focused on getting done what your specialty is, and then try to leave it in a state that will help your peers take it from there.  Don't give them an ulitimatum - even if they give in to it - they will always resent your for it - but DO remind them at your annual review that you did it (again - polite & professional).

Also, do a little research and find a really good Employment lawyer - and describe the OT situation to them.  That is a situation that will be clearly covered by the law, and if you are entitled to the OT pay, a letter from an Attorney (especially one w/ a great reputation) may be all it takes.  Or the attorney may tell you that you aren't entitled to it, in which case you can (hopefully) stop obsessing.  Your union contract should clearly state this, and their lawyers should be running this to ground for you - but that sounds like it is not happening.

You might also think about going freelance or starting your own business - your current employer might even be willing to give you a contract (make sure you have access to end users - stated in the contract - if you go that route).  Your end customer may also be willing to give you an initial contract to get you started.

Also - get the hell out of a union job - you clearly have talent and ability - and a union in today's world is mainly focused on protecting people that don't want to work.  Your value (income) will be underplayed as long as you are above the average and in a union (and from what you wrote, you clearly are).

Finally - don't be a victim - choose your path with your eyes open, and live w/ the consequences - good and bad..  Hope that helps.
2013-07-03 02:30:12 AM  
1 votes:
It's blowing my mind that you'd even consider it.

Seriously, if your bosses are gonna be replaced in a couple of years anyway and they've never shown any appreciation for saving their asses in the past... why would you?

Call and tell 'em you're out of state.
2013-07-03 01:22:27 AM  
1 votes:
Subby here, for real.

Sorry I didn't check into the thread earlier, but like I said, I AM on vacation, and so not near a competitor that often. And it didn't get greenlighted for a long time, so I had to go do other stuff, just now fund it again.


 I was supposed to be in Hawaii for the next 14 days, but these bastiges refused to pay me about ten grand in illegally with-held overtime. The ten grand was going to fund the trip. The trip was to celebrate my rigthtous win of overtime they refused to pay me for three years.  Overtime isn't about the money as much as the extra money is a payback for the loss of quality time with the ones you love. And they took a LOT of time from me. I won my overtime case after a three-year struggle, but they say they're only paying going forward, and if I want the back pay, well fark me.   The bosses have been pricks to me all year, ordering petty little get-backs like that I am not allowed to ever close my office door for privacy, even work-related privacy. They force me to account for my time in fifteen minute increments, but nobody else has to. It's been a campaign of trying to get me to quit: I'm the old-timer, they are carpetbagger hacks who got clouted in, but lost their clout when their boss went to jail. However, they still have their jobs... for now. But less juice, so they can't just fire me.  And their time is running out... in another two ears, they will likely be gone with the turnover in the head office. I'll still likely be here.

The current problem came about because the supervisor knows nothing of our specialized work, and took away our ability to talk directly to client/customers.  Even when a customer is ten feet away from me, I can't talk to them; I need to have every conversation go thru this idiot supervisor, who invariably re-types my questions to the client and garbles them in the translation (again, because the supervisor has zero background in our line of work), then, when the client answers, this supervisor only gives me partial answers back, and is all put out and unwilling to ask follow-up questions.

With that as background, client-customer ordered up a job, and did not initially provide all the raw data and documents.  I did the best I could with the partial list of "ingredients", but working with this client is always like playing piñata; you take blind swings with your best guess, then see how they like what you did.  Compound this with the supervisor who likes to play "telephone", and well. the final product was awesome, but wound up needing changes. Changes that would  never have needed to come up initially or changes that would have been trivial, had they given me the right components the first time, or even the second.   Anyway, I went thru three rounds of these changes, got an approval before the vacation.  The vacation time was booked 4 months ahead and approved.


Four days into my vacation,  suddenly, someone further up the chain has decided the project needs more tweaks.  I get one text that it's just one little change on one of two projects.   These dicks had four weeks where the project was done waiting for their review, and NOW they want more tweaks.

Another text comes in from a buddy at work; it's actually four changes on TWO projects, he's been tasked with handling these changes in my absence, but nobody in the shop can do what I do, as well as I do it: he's not that well-versed on the particular software, which is my specialty, and unfamiliar with how I arrange the raw assets for the project. The thing is 32 layers deep, and has to go thru three intermediary processes to complete the "little" change.  If my bud tries to do it, I imagine, with me talking him thru it over the phone, he could do it in three days.   I figure a full day for fixing all of it for both projects  if I have to come in and do it.  And I actually WANT to come in and do it.  I'm a team player, normally, and I love getting called in to "save the day"; it gives me a sense of worth. And I want to help my work buddy.

 But if I give in this time, I think they'll just see it as permission to further own my ass and never let me up from under their foot. If I respond to the call, I will never have a day off or holiday truly "mine" again.  We already have one indispensable guy on the team, an engineer, whom they force into overtime nearly every Sunday. He makes mad bank, but his stress levels are off the chart. Mine aren't much better, considering all the asshattery I have to endure from the clowns in charge every week.  I try to bury the hatchet and contribute my help and advice, and every time I go out of my way to MacGyver around/ cover up for/ repair one of management's mistakes, I never get credit for it, they just find new ways to fark me over.

I am in the union, I don't know for sure if the contract lets me ignore the calls or not, waiting for a call from my shop steward to advise me.    Thing is, HE may also be out on vacation. Might take another day or two to hear back.

If I was actually IN Hawaii right now, there is nothing I could do for them, so,  they'd have to either guess at how to re-configure my masterpiece, and probably tank it, or they could just give up and re-make the two projects using the less-qualified guy and get a weaker end product. Normally, I would rather die than let that happen.  But somehow these pinheads have to learn my actual value and skill level is higher than what they credit me for.  They have been under-utilizing me for over a year, making me do the milk runs and assigning the glamor ops to other people.  This was one of the first higher-profile tasks I've got in a while.

Money will be lost on the client's part, if the changes are not implemented sooner than my scheduled return. So now the super is calling but hanging up when the machine clicks on.  It could be they will have to toss my work product aside and have another expert re-do something from scratch instead; it won't be as good, it also won't be mine, but I think I can live with that part of it.
2013-07-03 12:53:38 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-07-02 10:46:18 PM  
1 votes:

basemetal: I always figure if you can be gone for two weeks at a time for vacation, you are replaceable.


IOW pretty much anyone in upper management.
2013-07-02 10:22:05 PM  
1 votes:
Long time ago, my wife and I worked in the same office and were pestered by work while on vacation, We changed our answering machine (pre cell phones) message to "We are on vacation. If you are a friend or family, leave a message. If you are from the office, leave us alone."
Worked really well.
2013-07-02 09:49:24 PM  
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: rwhamann: Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.

Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?

I was shiatcanned for taking a sick day after Christmas. I had the flu from x-mas until after New Year's. Even though it was more expensive to replace me, I was fired anyway to be made an example of. Right-to-work states are farked.


Jesus, I hope you went in and horked on your boss's desk.
2013-07-02 09:41:49 PM  
1 votes:
Karma, baby. Karma.
2013-07-02 08:58:25 PM  
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: rwhamann: Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.

Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?

I was shiatcanned for taking a sick day after Christmas. I had the flu from x-mas until after New Year's. Even though it was more expensive to replace me, I was fired anyway to be made an example of. Right-to-work states are farked.


That has nothing to with right to work. Right to work only means you can't be forced to join a union to get a job.

You're probably thinking of employment at will, which is what most employment is unless you have a contract.
2013-07-02 07:59:51 PM  
1 votes:
When I am on vacation, I do not answer Work calls.  Period.
2013-07-02 07:57:04 PM  
1 votes:
Why do you take your mobile phone on vacations?
2013-07-02 07:03:13 PM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.


Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?
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2013-07-02 05:44:14 PM  
1 votes:
Not fixing the problem will just cause them to fire/replace you.  There are lots of people out there who would love a crappy job vs no job.

It's your call, is getting even with the douche bags worth the stress of being unemployed and looking for another job?
2013-07-02 05:34:59 PM  
1 votes:
Depends on how you described your vacation. If you said I will be on vacation and completely unavailable then don't return the call. If you said I will be checking email/phone intermittently then you kind of have to. But you don't have to go in...you are on vacation.
 
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