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(Fark)   I'm 4 days into a 2-week vacation, the office wants me to come in, fix something. Should I even return the call? They've treated me horribly all year, ripped me off on back pay caused the current trouble themselves. DIT   (fark.com) divider line 68
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2013-07-03 08:48:53 AM

Kuta: No. Don't return the call.

They need to learn how indispensable you really are.

You need to learn how valuable you really are.

Not being there is the only way that either point will ever be made.


Either that or they'll figure out how to use google and:

1. Fix it themselves and determine that they don't really need him
2. Attempt to fix it themselves and make a bad problem worse.
 
2013-07-03 08:52:32 AM
So here's my take as a manager.  (And BTW your supervisor is an ass and you should probably get another job than stay in a situation run by idiots).

Your worth overall is determined by the difficulty of the problems you are capable of solving.  And how much others are willing to pay you to do that - part of that depends on their perception of your willingness to "do what it takes".  So my recommendation is to take a long term view (not just with this company) before responding.  Some people can figure out how to make a CAD design dance - and some people can only find out if a customer wants fries with that - and each is paid accordingly.

Ask yourself:
Will I diminish how I am perceived by customers and potential future employers if I don't help out here?
Will I be fired if I let it go?  And if so, can I afford to be unemployed?
How quickly can I really fix this?  Is it worth the aggravation to commute?
Will my peers suffer needlessly if I don't fix this?  Will they resent me leaving them hanging?  Will that make my worklife MORE hellish than it already is?

Sounds like you have highly specialized skills - is this something that you can go to work for the customer and be more in tune w/ the end users?  If so, you might land in a much better place and be able to do better work (and feel better about what you do).

If you go through all of that and determne that there are no long term implications to you (by burning bridges or ruining your reputation), then you are fine responding that you are not available to come in (don't be hostile - just matter of fact and professional).

If you think your long term prospects are better if you cover the issue - determine ahead of time how much time you are willing to spend ot fix it, and tell them "I can come in @ 10:00 tomorrow - and I can work this until 2:00 - then I have another commitment"  Prioritize what you do so that you are focused on getting done what your specialty is, and then try to leave it in a state that will help your peers take it from there.  Don't give them an ulitimatum - even if they give in to it - they will always resent your for it - but DO remind them at your annual review that you did it (again - polite & professional).

Also, do a little research and find a really good Employment lawyer - and describe the OT situation to them.  That is a situation that will be clearly covered by the law, and if you are entitled to the OT pay, a letter from an Attorney (especially one w/ a great reputation) may be all it takes.  Or the attorney may tell you that you aren't entitled to it, in which case you can (hopefully) stop obsessing.  Your union contract should clearly state this, and their lawyers should be running this to ground for you - but that sounds like it is not happening.

You might also think about going freelance or starting your own business - your current employer might even be willing to give you a contract (make sure you have access to end users - stated in the contract - if you go that route).  Your end customer may also be willing to give you an initial contract to get you started.

Also - get the hell out of a union job - you clearly have talent and ability - and a union in today's world is mainly focused on protecting people that don't want to work.  Your value (income) will be underplayed as long as you are above the average and in a union (and from what you wrote, you clearly are).

Finally - don't be a victim - choose your path with your eyes open, and live w/ the consequences - good and bad..  Hope that helps.
 
2013-07-03 09:22:01 AM

rwhamann: Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.

Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?


ecmoRandomNumbers: rwhamann: Nadie_AZ: NOPE. Your vacation. You were told at the time of hire that compensation included a certain number of vacation days. Your backup should take care of things while you are gone. No backup? Um .. why?

Still ... enjoy your time off. I don't care if you are sitting on the curb in front of your job's building. Get paid to not work.

Do you live in a right to work state? Are you replaceable?

I was shiatcanned for taking a sick day after Christmas. I had the flu from x-mas until after New Year's. Even though it was more expensive to replace me, I was fired anyway to be made an example of. Right-to-work states are farked.


While it may be true that states that have right-to-work laws also have lousy worker protection laws in general, this has got nothing to do with right-to-work.  RTW means you don't have to join the union to work in a union shop.  That's all.
 
2013-07-03 10:15:42 AM
Fark...

No...


I worked for a company 5 1/2 years, 4 of them in IT. I would answer calls on weekends, answer calls on vacation, come in multiple times when there were power outages to restart the servers(For some reason most of the industrial park would be back online, but our particular building took an extra visit or three). I even did the weekends and vacation stuff off the clock, unless i came in to the office and it was at least an hour.

What did they do last summer? Had me rearrange the server room, I threw out about 1,000 lbs of old, outdated software, only after going through and stripping and license info I could find. Threw out about 2,000 lbs of old equipment, monitors, old towers, a few old servers, junk we were keeping for parts. I redid the wiring, arranged the servers and switches into a config that made sense, and installed a new UPS. A big one, weighed in at about 450 lbs on the pallet, about 275 after uncrating. With the exception of putting 3 servers in place, and bringing the battery component of the UPS up the stairs, I did all of this solo.

Come October, one week after I finished the last of this reorganization and cleanup, my boss shows up in town, totally unannounced, and lets me know that I am being terminated because the "job description has changed and I no longer meet the requirements". They had been planning all summer, when he came into town a month before, he was sneaking out of the office to do interviews, and I had spent the final two weeks giving how-to's on some of my procedures, because, even underqualified, I knew more than my boss, and he was trying to train my replacement.

To add insult to injury, I got calls texts and emails for about 2-3 weeks asking where I kept certain documentation, where I took Macs locally for service, how I went through certain procedures.

I'm done going out of the way for a job, this is how they show "appreciation". Fark 'em, they've got some kind of back up plan, make 'em use it.
 
2013-07-03 10:42:37 AM

Barfmaker: OP here, I'm a condom repair man in a brothel. There's a high-end customer who has a condom he really favours and now we almost don't let anyone use it but him.

Thing is, one of the new people at the desk gave it to a really big guy and now it's all stretched out. They want me to come in and shrink it by stuffing it in my butt for a couple of hours.

I want to tell them to go to hell but I need the job and, as you can imagine, my skill isn't really readily transferable.

Thoughts?


Go back to jerking off to child porn on /b/
 
2013-07-03 10:53:13 AM
You're in a union? fark 'em.

It sounds like the problem arose because of poor time management on their part. As the saying goes, a lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on yours. I know it's tough because you take pride in your work and don't like to make trouble for your coworkers, but unless there's something in the contract that says you can be called back from vacations for this type of thing, I'd let them figure it out themselves.
 
2013-07-03 11:12:01 AM

Any Pie Left: BTW, the autocomplete on my browser sucks balls. Sorry about the typos in my post above.


You need a new job, stat.

I just quit mine. I simply was unable to take vacations as no one could do what I did. Despite that, I was never treated like I mattered or was at all valuable.

I don't have a job yet but a few leads hopefully. Scary but liberating. I actually sleep soundly now and my hair is actually thickening again.
 
2013-07-03 11:48:31 AM

Any Pie Left: I figure a full day for fixing all of it for both projects  if I have to come in and do it.  And I actually WANT to come in and do it.  I'm a team player, normally, and I love getting called in to "save the day"; it gives me a sense of worth. And I want to help my work buddy.


Is that a full day to really get it done, or a half day with the other half for when things go amazingly wrong?   If that day doesn't include margin for when things break beyond their understanding of the problem, don't even consider it.

Beyond the Mr Scott margin factor, given that this sounds like a "Hey, I finished with project X, it needs a review cycle to ensure it meets specs etc." (cricket cricket cricket) "Hey, going on vacation, see you in two weeks." "ZOMG WE LOOKED AT X AND NEED THINGS CHANGED!", unless it's trivial quick things I'd let them deal with it.  Especially if you have a paper trail of when the project was submitted for review and that they didn't take action on it until you were unavailable.  If they raise a stink about it at all you can point to the timeline and say "Why did this suddenly become critical X days after I submitted it for review when they knew I would be unavailable?  Why was my vacation even approved if somehow this review was required to happen while I was going to be away?"
 
2013-07-03 02:09:19 PM
The shop steward called back and said "stay out; enjoy your vacation. It's their problem to fix".

So I'm pretty sure all my three weeks of hard work on the two projects will be effectively shiatcanned and replaced with inferiorly-made crap.  I feel a tinge of guilt and sadness at that. I have to keep reminding myself none of this is my fault.  The bosses neither recognize nor appreciate quality work anyhow.  I need to keep my job, it pays well, has excellent benefits, and I'm at the top of my pay scale where I live, there is no way  to go higher except to move, and I'm not moving.  But the event clarifies for me that I need more outlets for my creativity and skill outside of the day job, because that's the only way I'm going to find any satisfaction while I wait for time to sweep away these jokers and replace them with new people, and a fresh start.
 
2013-07-03 03:11:57 PM

Any Pie Left: I need more outlets for my creativity and skill outside of the day job, because that's the only way I'm going to find any satisfaction.


Isn't this how every human being in this country feels? Especially the young ones. (We older ones now crochet or go bowling or vape or watch TV or read or....)

/Good luck, darling.
 
2013-07-03 04:10:29 PM

Any Pie Left: Subby here, for real.

The current problem came about because the supervisor knows nothing of our specialized work, and took away our ability to talk directly to client/customers.  Even when a customer is ten feet away from me, I can't talk to them; I need to have every conversation go thru this idiot supervisor, who invariably re-types my questions to the client and garbles them in the translation (again, because the supervisor has zero background in our line of work), then, when the client answers, this supervisor ...


Is this your boss?
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I bet he's good with people.
 
2013-07-03 06:47:05 PM
Glenford: close, but worse. And wearing a dress. One of these people that think a real administrator should be able to administrate anything, regardless of what it is, because administrating is itself a profession, and they fancy themselves a professional administrator.

This supervisor contributes nothing but confusion and delay to every process, because they don't understand our technical terms, and when we try to explain anything to her in civilian language, the eyes just glaze over and she stares at some distant spot over your shoulder until your noise hole closes, and NOTHING has been retained of what you explained. She is all about filling in check boxes on forms, but the forms don't apply to what we do. Every job is a custom job done from scratch.  We found out she's been booted from three similar jobs before we got her; in each one, she's been terrible to work with; paranoid, withholding and controlling information, instead of sharing it. Blames everyone for everything, takes no personal responsibility for anything, but damn you if you try to take any initiative yourself.

Why did we get her?  The big boss at the section headquarters upstate is a hack and doesn't like any of us in the satellite office, moreover, he wants nobody that could threaten to rise thru the ranks to get his job, so he picked somebody really weak and easy to dominate.  The last five people before her were temps from Manpower, inc. I was offered the job twice but turned it down because it would be a pay cut, would weld a blackberry to my head 24/7/365,  and lacked union protection.  So that gives you an idea of the psychological hole this supervisor is in: her workers make more than she does, she has no idea how they do what they do, she's unable to grasp their lingo and won't learn it. All she can do is pretend to be in charge of us and put enormous importance on the things she DOES understand, like time sheets, and silly rules about trivia like cleaning out the fridge, or getting the company van oil changed on time.
 
2013-07-03 07:22:40 PM

Any Pie Left: none of this is my fault.


You're God damned right it isn't.

Go enjoy your vacations and let this farktards stew in their own juices.
 
2013-07-03 08:51:12 PM

Any Pie Left: The shop steward called back and said "stay out; enjoy your vacation. It's their problem to fix".

So I'm pretty sure all my three weeks of hard work on the two projects will be effectively shiatcanned and replaced with inferiorly-made crap.  I feel a tinge of guilt and sadness at that. I have to keep reminding myself none of this is my fault.  The bosses neither recognize nor appreciate quality work anyhow.  I need to keep my job, it pays well, has excellent benefits, and I'm at the top of my pay scale where I live, there is no way  to go higher except to move, and I'm not moving.  But the event clarifies for me that I need more outlets for my creativity and skill outside of the day job, because that's the only way I'm going to find any satisfaction while I wait for time to sweep away these jokers and replace them with new people, and a fresh start.


Good luck APL. I know the feeling. Well, except for the part about time sweeping away the jokers who run my outfit. Don't see that happening in my circumstance.
 
2013-07-03 08:56:43 PM

Any Pie Left: she has no idea how they do what they do, she's unable to grasp their lingo and won't learn it. All she can do is pretend to be in charge of us and put enormous importance on the things she DOES understand, like time sheets, and silly rules about trivia like cleaning out the fridge, or getting the company van oil changed on time.


Do we work at the same place? God, what a nightmare. At least you make more than her. The farktard who is over me makes (I'm guessing, but it's a pretty good guess) 2.5x what I make.
 
2013-07-03 09:50:45 PM

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I love you right now... I wanna have your baby
 
2013-07-03 10:17:17 PM
Correction, I DID make more than her. Because I earned it.  But recently she got her salary bumped to be about forty bucks more than mine, so she can feel superior.  She should thank me for making as much as I do, since forcing management to top my pay jumped hers up by about 25%.  The joke's on her though; I have a second job on the weekends that puts me well over her "raise" so I still make more than her, just not all at the same place. Her job, and the big boss' job, are not union-protected, so when the new leadership comes in, I think they're both going to be replaced. We have non-alcoholic champagne analog liquids in the office fridge chilling in anticipation of the day.  I'm not the only miserable guy there; the entire office hates these two.  I just get the brunt of everything because I'm the senior of the staff, the most informed, and the one most likely to challenge the people in authority. Having been bullied as a child, I fight them at work any way I can.
 
2013-07-04 04:21:32 AM

Any Pie Left: Glenford: close, but worse. And wearing a dress. One of these people that think a real administrator should be able to administrate anything, regardless of what it is, because administrating is itself a profession, and they fancy themselves a professional administrator.


So this is your boss...
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